[nomadbrah]

(09-11-2016 02:39 PM)jcrew247 Wrote:  

I'm just wondering if an average-looking guy could get ONS in Helsinki by going after average-looking girls?

In my experience, there isn't easier places to get ONS than Nordic countries, provided you understand the score, which is much like variations of Roosh Icelandic experience, meaning, right time (late), right spot (bar not club), right girls (6 and 7s, not 8+) and you need to be agreeable to the Nordic mentality, which means not be too agressive (don't run big city American game, but more beta persistant confident) and definitely not be too thirsty, Nordic girls will make the effort to make the bang happen if you did it correctly, ONS are widely accepted and has little social shame, but breaking social circles can be a real challenge which is why it's better to have wing to avoid having her dragged away by fatty friend.

[Rod]

@jcrew

In short no . I would have actually liked to have been in a position to pass off 5's. As I mentioned I did chat to some during the quiet weekdays and still didn't get the impression the bang was there , obviously I tried .

Hell I even ran street game on some fatties and couldn't get the bounce .

In Friday / sat venues i went too the average was easily 7+ so you'd have to actually search out a fatty in those bars anyway.

I hear what you're saying but I'm not going all that way to cockblock myself with impossible standards .

Looks wise the dudes are average with a subset of Scando hunks but they're not getting any in bars either ( that I can see ) .

I don't think 'average' looking guys would have a problem because the general tail standard is high so its just common place to see hotties .

I really dunno .. I got very indirectly approached once by an chick who was 1 shot away from hospital .

Go and see for yourself is my advice and report back , it's a weird one .

The guys have mentioned group game and that may be a better approach because that's the MO out there for local dudes

[Rod]

@nomadbrah

Agree with you on that . Like i said I ran nice guy game with a hint of alpha . It's hard to judge when you're hearing all week that their men are betas losers but like you say straight up alpha game won't work either .

In Iceland girls flat out told me the score with foreigners and fucking etc. In Helsinki there just wasn't the same 'easy sex ' vibe .

I did have girls asking me where I was staying etc. And I ran appropriate game to try for the bounce but as mentioned the couple of occasions I got close ie. With them
After the club etc. There was always some drama or a genuine reason they couldn't come
I.e leaving tmrw , work , catching bus , friends etc.

I got close but no cigar .

Ask yourself as well if you want to fly to a different country , drop massive coin and then chase 5's you could probably lay at home at less expense and effort

[nomadbrah]

Well, Finland is closer to Russia and Baltics, so maybe the difference is because of that even if Finnish like to say they are just as Nordic as the rest.

[Rod]

Maybe .

Like everything it's all down to personal taste and game etc.

If you're a player at home and can bang decent quality girls i think you'd be so distracted by the
Targets out and about that the thought of chasing fatties just for the bang will be at the back of your mind ... For most of the time anyway until blue balls sets in .. And even then , good luck.

[NextStop100]

how difficult do you think it would be to go out to bars and clubs in the winter? (Dec/Jan)?

[Rod]

Next stop

I can't say . It's all pretty close together in town so unless there was a major snow storm I can't see there being any logistical issues .

Couldn't tell you if people will be out tho etc .

[apolis]

I guess the lack of recent Helsinki reports is because there's nothing to report, although forum members travel there from time to time. I think Helsinki is quite tricky, so it's better to travel there mainly for sightseeing and keep your expectations low regarding ONS. At the end of the day, I'm sure a Finnish 5 is equivalent to a UK 7, so I'm wondering about this range of Finnish girls, if they are open/ easier due to lower demand.

[Rod]

@apolis

It's not really a case of 5's being easier than say 7's it's more a case of cracking the social code , if you can do that out there then believe me you wouldn't bother with 5's ... That's if you can find them .. It's hard to accept that the general standard is just hotter than back home .

I did see average local guys getting with 8's occasionally at the end of the night but that would be social game for sure .

Some chicks told me that when they match on Tinder all that really does is allow them
To both end up in the same bar and get drunk ( separately ) and then hook up at the end .

[apolis]

Agreed, Rod! Did you see with your own eyes foreigners do well with local girls? If yes, were they Westerners or Med? We need validation that Finnish girls love foreign cock, I just dont' see it in your report.

[Rod]

@apolis

You're not seeing it because that's the jist of what I'm saying .

No I didn't see any 'foreigners ' killing it or even pulling ..

The English / Finnish guy said they like foreigners but he was fluent in Finnish , had social circle and lives there .

I don't think they are anti foreign cock it's just a case of the social situation regarding how to get the bang .
One girl wouldn't even kiss me after hours of chat and isolation because she 'didn't know me ' , another girl told me 'why would a guy talk to a girl unless he wants to get with her ' ..exactly my dear ..that's why I'm talking to you ..

[NextStop100]

(09-12-2016 04:53 AM)Rod Wrote:  

@apolis

It's not really a case of 5's being easier than say 7's it's more a case of cracking the social code , if you can do that out there then believe me you wouldn't bother with 5's ... That's if you can find them .. It's hard to accept that the general standard is just hotter than back home .

I did see average local guys getting with 8's occasionally at the end of the night but that would be social game for sure .

Some chicks told me that when they match on Tinder all that really does is allow them
To both end up in the same bar and get drunk ( separately ) and then hook up at the end .

How old were they? This thread inspired me to do a brief Tinder spoof yesterday to Finland. I quickly matched 3 girls - 21, 22, and 27 years old (7-7.5, and 8/10 in terms of quality, sexualized them on Tinder, and got their number.)

One (the least attractive of the 3) was willing to come to mine that same night (I lied and said I was staying there) to fuck but I had to flake last minute.

I think with these girls its important to be direct (but not too direct). Tell them you want to fuck them, but then dial it back a little, say lets go on a date first, lets hangout first. This gets sex in their minds, but still gives them the "traditional" date scenario.

[Rod]

Next stop

That's good to hear , were they local in Helsinki ?
You'll have to share some tinder tips because I got on it late and have limited experience with it .
I got a few matches but not traction

[zatara]

You mention they were well dressed but what was the average level of fitness like in Finnish dudes? Was there much evidence of lifting culture?

I'm guessing from the English flag you're UK based. My recent experience of nightlife in the UK has been if you're anywhere mainstream where the crowd is under 30 there are significant numbers of guys who're in good shape, who're visibly quite bulked up. And this has raised the game bar quite significantly. You unfortunately have to be in very good shape to stand out physically in the UK as a man now.

(no homo - but its always worth considering the local competition a bit when planning gaming holidays).