[scrambled]

European Spanish looking? What color eyes and shade of skin?

Salsa is decently popular in Kiev (Caribbean club and occasionally in Marinskii Park I think) and maybe more so in Lviv, with more public dancing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orSo7rjJGdY

[Beirut]

(08-31-2016 05:53 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

I personally would take Moscow over Kiev any day of the week. For me not only were Moscow girls more abundant (one cannot believe the talent on a friday night during summer in places like Gorky or Old Arbat) but I got more IOI's when going out and speaking Russian with an accent. I may be the only one on these forums but I would say I found Kiev not that easy and it required A LOT of work in terms of time invested going out, chasing numbers, and girls not flaking. Then again I am an older guy so perhaps age was against me

I think generally Moscow girls are way stronger in character than Kiev ones and have more confidence, thus are more prone to expressing themselves, both negatively and positively.

I too get more iois (and at the same time harsher blowouts) by russians than by ukrainians.

Ukrainians are easier in the sense that its easier to hold some sort of DHV or advantage over her. Russians are easier in the sense theyre more comfortable with themselves.

Its always a crazy adventure with russian girls.

[Bycicleguy]

(09-08-2016 10:47 AM)scrambled Wrote:  

European Spanish looking? What color eyes and shade of skin?

Salsa is decently popular in Kiev (Caribbean club and occasionally in Marinskii Park I think) and maybe more so in Lviv, with more public dancing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orSo7rjJGdY

Kind of like this guy but with another haircut. Very light skin, black hair, brown eyes.

[Switchez]

I think you will be fine with this kind of look in terms of ethnicity. Looking young (like the guy in the picture) can often be a negative in Ukraine however.

[scrambled]

That look combined with western hard currency would be extremely desirable; though I notice the UA women were tall so height is important also.

Better too young than too old.

[Bycicleguy]

That's good to know, I haven't really put effort to start learning russian since all the bad stuff I've read about the xenophobia and etc, but I also was suspecting it was propaganda to show "how awful those russians are". Besides women I think the language is one of the few european languages I'm willing to learn, because both Ukraine and Russia are (still)not very westernized, they really seem to have their own culture, so it seems more interesting than french for example (for me at least).

[aeroektar]

(09-09-2016 11:01 AM)scrambled Wrote:  

That look combined with western hard currency would be extremely desirable; though I notice the UA women were tall so height is important also.

Better too young than too old.

What's considered short in Ukraine? Are there a lot of tall dudes around? I read average male height in Ukraine is 175cm which is how tall I am.

[Onyx]

(09-09-2016 10:10 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 11:01 AM)scrambled Wrote:  

That look combined with western hard currency would be extremely desirable; though I notice the UA women were tall so height is important also.

Better too young than too old.

What's considered short in Ukraine? Are there a lot of tall dudes around? I read average male height in Ukraine is 175cm which is how tall I am.

It's no Peru by all means, you will be average height.

[WeekendCasanova]

(09-09-2016 10:10 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 11:01 AM)scrambled Wrote:  

That look combined with western hard currency would be extremely desirable; though I notice the UA women were tall so height is important also.

Better too young than too old.

What's considered short in Ukraine? Are there a lot of tall dudes around? I read average male height in Ukraine is 175cm which is how tall I am.

As long as you're not short on cash, you'll be fine.

[jabba]

(09-09-2016 10:10 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 11:01 AM)scrambled Wrote:  

That look combined with western hard currency would be extremely desirable; though I notice the UA women were tall so height is important also.

Better too young than too old.

What's considered short in Ukraine? Are there a lot of tall dudes around? I read average male height in Ukraine is 175cm which is how tall I am.

Some UA guys were short, 5'6". Some were 6'2"+. Average in Kiev were close me, 6'. Noticeably taller guys in Sweden, Lithuania, Netherlands...

Girls on average seemed taller or similar height to guys. Long Slavic legs work in their favor.

[Pokerbaby]

In Lviv I saw a lot of shorter guys. No way is Ukraine as tall as Poland.

I saw a group of about 20 soldiers on the street. The average hieght looked around 5 8" (and skinny, not built) and these guys were soldiers.

Even though the genetics are similar I think the poverty means some guys don't get a lot of good nutrituous food growing up?

[Cr33pin]

(09-10-2016 02:19 PM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  

In Lviv I saw a lot of shorter guys. No way is Ukraine as tall as Poland.

I saw a group of about 20 soldiers on the street. The average hieght looked around 5 8" (and skinny, not built) and these guys were soldiers.

Why are you in L'viv looking at the guys

[Going strong]

(09-11-2016 02:44 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 02:19 PM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  

I saw a group of about 20 soldiers on the street. The average height looked around 5 8" (and skinny, not built) and these guys were soldiers.

Why are you in L'viv looking at the guys

He's specifically spying on the soldiers... obviously, checking on Ukrainian army, preparing a (Russian, necessarily) military invasion. Call Nuland, quick!

[scrambled]

Some good advice above; I must add that the average man's height in Ukraine is not 6', maybe 5'9".

But I do not think they are any shorter than American caucasian men. There is not the same weightlifting muscle culture as the US, though.

Also, the "Ukrainian men are malnourished" meme on here is as realistic as the "Hordes of Turks have flooded and already ruined Kiev" one, or the "Lviv is all Walmart fatties" one.

[GetRichOrdie]

Look at the positives here:

1) The massive abundance of beautiful women. No joke they are freaking everywhere, and I come from Australia where beautiful women are supposed to be in abundance, and I now know Kiev shits on any city in Australia for numbers of hotties. That in itself is awesome and worth it.

2) They are generally poor. Their iPhone and the influences of western feminism and brainwashing will only take them so far, they still yearn for romance and adventure, even if they are a bit more 'traditional' in their dating views. The girls ive met here are generally very warm and friendly, which is a good start compared to crazy western bitches

3) Bargain prices. Rock bottom prices and opportunities galore, from outsourcing workers, to cheap holidays.

4) The rewards when you 'crack' their 'code'. If they aren't generally giving it up before 3+ dates, thats going to turn away the less committed and strong isn't it? women are women the world over, and generally are wired in the same way, and there are ways to get that to work for you.

5) Beautiful sights, nature and an abundance of amazing things to do. Ancient culture, castles, awesome outdoors, what could be more fun that a hottie joining you on some adventure?

[crispytaco]

(09-03-2016 04:42 PM)Bycicleguy Wrote:  

I noticed you said you were Spanish or Turkish looking in another post. I also remembered some posts on Russia and Ukrania datasheets suggested that girls on those countries where really into the western european look (light hair and eyes) and not very fond of not whites. I'm also spanish looking, white skin and dark hair. So I'm curious about how someone like me would be received in Russia or Ukraine, judging by your salsa datasheet it seems at least latin dances are kind of popular.

Dude, That's true.
Some of the girls there said she liked me because I looked Spanish / latin. I have dark hair, brown eyes.

By the way, and speaking about height, I scored girls taller than me, and I am 5,6. Don't worry about that.

The only thing I didn't like in Ukraine, was to take taxis not knowing ukranian or russian, what a pain. I used to text one of the girls, and she called the taxi for me.