[Enigma]

(08-29-2016 06:48 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

If you're not willing to extend that same treatment to me, then I don't want to know you. We're not cool.
If you're willing to excuse, defend, and sympathize with those who are unwilling to extend that same treatment to me and who show said unwillingness by making use of language explicitly designed to extend the opposite treatment to me, then we're not cool.

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Enigma Wrote:

I agree that coal burning is a term that shouldn't be used on the forum, and that many of the posters here are too reactionary and take "race realism" too far.

Enigma Wrote:

One person used the term coal burner and he was IMMEDIATELY called out by dozens of members. Almost no one else in this thread has supported the use of that term, which I think we all agree has a pretty negative connotation.

Enigma Wrote:

I and pretty much everyone in this thread have repeatedly stated that coal burning isn't a term that should be used on the forum, nor should black forum members be shamed about dating outside their race.

Do I need to start a separate thread, titled "I, Enigma, disavow the term coal burning and don't have a problem with Excelsior dating white girls"?

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All of this talk about "struggling" with racial identity and whatever else you wrote up there is perplexing to me because, frankly, it's got nothing to do with the topic at hand. I am not talking about your struggle with your racial identity or my struggle with mine. I am talking about your willingness to judge me as an individual and abstain from insulting me by implying that any woman who goes near me is defective.

This thread is the first time coal burner has been used on this forum. Nearly everyone in this thread has agreed that it was inappropriate, repeatedly, including myself, and the person who used the term was suspended.

I'm not sure what else you want us to do.

You are the one who said you and other black posters do not feel comfortable posting on the forum. Not me.

Excelsior Wrote:

This shit is the reason so many posters confine their posting to that thread and a handful of others in the first place.

Did you not post this on page 2 of the thread?

Unless you have the ability to see into the future, the term coal burner is not what's kept you from posting here for the past year.

Again, if you would actually be forthcoming with what's bothering you enough to make you not want to post here, people wouldn't have to guess. Clearly it's a very widespread problem for you to want to avoid all but one or two threads.

If you just want to continue to lash out and avoid having a real discussion, that's fine too. Hopefully it gives you some sort of relief.

[Il Bersagliere]

I already had a long response in draft to some of those half-baked intellectualisms I read above, but then Excelsior came through like a boss. Some of you guys just need to hand over your ring.

Being a keyboard warrior is a full time job. Time to go outside.

[Enigma]

(08-29-2016 07:16 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

I already had a long response in draft to some of those half-baked intellectualisms I read above, but then Excelsior came through like a boss. Some of you guys just need to hand over your ring.

Being a keyboard warrior is a full time job. Time to go outside.

A month ago I was a "levelheaded and mature poster", now I'm a "keyboard warrior" because I don't fall into line on a race discussion. Okay, bro. At least I'm logically consistent.

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Il Bersagliere (10) - Last updated 07-26-2016, 08:17 AM

Positive (+1): All around levelheaded and mature poster.

[ivansirko]

(08-29-2016 06:48 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

There are double standards when it comes to race. Black comics are allowed to say things that Whites aren't. If Black Lives Matter were to have a White counterpart, I'm pretty sure all members would have been indicted for domestic terrorism, treason, RICO, or something similar. There are certainly White race baiters, but they're not given a mainstream national platform like other groups.

Yes there is. However Google does not speak for me.

When you hear in general about police shooting and "black man possibly unarmed" everyone has a first impression and usually its bad. You constantly hear on the news about how bad race relations are. But I have a BIL who is black (I am not) who I can talk about most anything on race and neither of us will get offended in person with a beer in hand. Online however is a different story. You gain news, events, and opinions from Google, Facebook and twitter (or the news you read gets it from there) and these companies benefit from you getting pissed off. You start yelling and complaining at people you dont know on Facebook or Twitter and you get the impression the world is coming to an end. In your example of course Google would have something like that.
Then there is this gem. http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/.../85648838/

Honestly when i first saw the title I thought it was going to be about a white knight who died trying to get a slut out of a burning building because she set coal on fire. Never even heard of the term.

To me this forum brings a bunch of guys with similar opinions on life and game together. Here, to me, whogivesafuckaboutrace? It would seem there may be an issue with having a mixed-race baby. IMO that belongs in the "deep thinking forum". To me that could be worth a discussion and a reasonable one. but for now....

If anyone has sex with 5 girls in one night not of your race....whatever that may be...

[JacksonRev]

Apparently writing novels to include as many esoteric posts as possible and adding "fuck off" to every sentence is high quality forum posting.

That's nice.

[ivansirko]

(08-29-2016 07:12 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Have a joint and get on with your life.

Right there.

[Il Bersagliere]

(08-29-2016 07:23 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 07:16 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

I already had a long response in draft to some of those half-baked intellectualisms I read above, but then Excelsior came through like a boss. Some of you guys just need to hand over your ring.

Being a keyboard warrior is a full time job. Time to go outside.

A month ago I was a "levelheaded and mature poster", now I'm a "keyboard warrior" because I don't fall into line on a race discussion. Okay, bro. At least I'm logically consistent.

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Il Bersagliere (10) - Last updated 07-26-2016, 08:17 AM

Positive (+1): All around levelheaded and mature poster.

You're jumping the gun there, bud. I didn't single you out or quote you in my post above. The fact that you immediately thought I was talking specifically about you is telling. And as for the keyboard warrior bit, I was poking fun at myself for being on the computer all day.

That rep point I gave you was for posts I read in the Trump thread--mostly political contributions.

(08-29-2016 07:27 PM)JacksonRev Wrote:  

Apparently writing novels to include as many esoteric posts as possible and adding "fuck off" to every sentence is high quality forum posting.

That's nice.

Yeah, but you seem like the dude that would analyze every eye twitch in a Donald Trump speech and conclude he was some sort of prodigy because of a deep neural malfunction.

[Travesty]

(08-29-2016 07:01 PM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  

Excelsior just nuked this whole entire thread, i really am curious what the raionalists will come up with next

No he sounds like an overly sensitive idealist.

Just like I equate LOZ, just because a post is long and comes around at 12 different angles to the point of over-precision isn't a nuke.

Lots of time is hot air just like a guy that talks a lot in real life or went to law school or the worst, both.

We know Excelsior is some Ivy intellectual type so isn't hard to believe at times he can be guilty of this.

[Avon Barksdale]

(08-29-2016 07:35 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 07:01 PM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  

Excelsior just nuked this whole entire thread, i really am curious what the raionalists will come up with next

No he sounds like an overly sensitive idealist.

Just like I equate LOZ, just because a post is long and comes around at 12 different angles to the point of over-precision isn't a nuke.

Lots of time is hot air just like a guy that talks a lot in real life or went to law school or the worst, both.

We know Excelsior is some Ivy intellectual type so isn't hard to believe at times he can be guilty of this.

Nah man i dont agree with that, if you dont rock with it so be it.

[Enoch]

This forum is Roosh's house and if he wants to make it a safe space from controversial racial issues and language, that is his prerogative. You can scratch that itch at mpc, fash the nation or ramzpaul. Or build your own platform, Cernovich style.

[TravelerKai]

I'm going to keep this simple because I am sick with a fever. I don't have the energy now to have a marathon argument over piddly shit.

Some of you are trying too hard to expose black/non-white members of this forum as some kind of hypocrites for something none of us have done here as Excelsior elegantly wrote.

Some of you are trying hard to paint others as overly emotional as if someone is crying somewhere. No one is upset. If you went outside and found someone fragile off the street, that would be a different matter altogether.

Like the wise Scorpion has said before, we are guilty of trying way too hard to here to win an argument. None of these arguments have no grounding on factual basis, looks vindictive in nature, shows insecurity, and is worst of all effeminate as hell. Like someone said a while back, this shit looks like stuff you could read on Tumblr.

I think this thread has run it's course. Too many are digging holes on a personal level that has real and lasting impact on their futures and is creating an unhealthy cycle of factions and enemies. You may be young and enjoy using your words to hurt your brothers, but someday, you will wish you had done something valuable instead. We already have a million enemies outside of the forum. No need to start hating on each other like this.

The rules here are simple we must treat each other with respect otherwise the forum will die. Everyone has a duty to do their part here and keep the place clean and productive. It's simple. It would not kill anyone racist or not, to follow the rules here as Roosh simply said, racial epithets/Name-calling/insults are just flat out against the rules. Please let's drop the stubbornness and keep it moving. If you have a ton of energy for insulting and petty fighting, I am quite certain Roosh, Samseau, or even Tuthmosis could point you to a real enemy and put your energy to good work.

[Excelsior]

(08-29-2016 07:12 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

So yellow has no racist connotation and neither does jungle. Also having caught an illness by acting on those sexual inclinations is no big deal. You come off as young, inexperienced, and overly sensitive.

Of course the terms yellow and jungle have racial connotations. What they do not have is a stigma attached to them that implies any woman involved in said unions is broken for doing so.

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There is no blow back for dating an Asian girl as a white guy?

Relative to the blowback caused by white female/black male relationships? No. The Asian girl/white male combination is simply nowhere near as controversial, nor is it seen as anywhere near as destructive, degenerate, or otherwise controversial.

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Obvious you haven't been a white guy.

And you haven't been black.

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You know why yellow fever has no power?

Because it doesn't mean much and wasn't designed with the same aggressive intent as terms like mudshark or coalburner. It is also largely the product of the very same demographic of people to whom it is applied, people who did not create it to imply that their attraction was inherently destructive to any given society/culture/individual.

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We don't give it any we laugh at it.

Unsurprising given the difference in intent and origin.

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And the reason white / Asian relations works so well is because the white guys doing it don't give a fuck about people that get on them about it.

The real reason is that White/Asian relations have never been as controversial (especially among the nation's white male population) and aggressively attacked as Black male/white female unions in this country.

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Like I said before all the racial slurs against white people could be very hurtful, we don't give them any power.

They have no potential to be hurtful because there is no historical context or consequence to give them the kind of weight and prominence that other terms have.

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Black people have to have the courage and come out and admit they give words too much power for way too long.Look at how much energy you spent typing out that Bible of self defense about sensitivity. The biggest fuckery is how much you care about all this.

The biggest fuckery is you asking me to sit back while folks openly insult me and everyone who looks like me and pretend everything's OK and we are somehow the ones with the issue. Language matters. I'm not going to sit here and allow folks to throw out degrading shit like that while deflecting criticism with false equivalences and other bullshit. I have zero tolerance for this kind of insecure, self-serving fuckery and I'll treat it accordingly.

Have a problem with that? Think it makes me "overly sensitive" and "idealistic"?

Too fucking bad. Deal with it or don't. I'm not here to passively swallow bullshit like this.

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Have a joint and get on with your life.

Same to you.

[JacksonRev]

(08-29-2016 07:28 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 07:27 PM)JacksonRev Wrote:  

Apparently writing novels to include as many esoteric posts as possible and adding "fuck off" to every sentence is high quality forum posting.

That's nice.

Yeah, but you seem like the dude that would analyze every eye twitch in a Donald Trump speech and conclude he was some sort of prodigy because of a deep neural malfunction.

That's true. I've recommended What Every Body Is Saying and Dr. Paul Ekman's microexpression training multiple times on the forum (links below). Mainly because they helped me a great deal with women, in normal work environments, and on all the Guardian Angel missions I did in Afghanistan and needed to read some intense situations where I had no idea what was being spoken.

Mr. Trump is a prodigy, though. I've lost count of the friends and coworkers that have told me I'm the smartest person they know, and Mr. Trump is smarter than me, as well as a much harder worker. People just think that because Mr. Trump speaks to appeal to the half of the country that has an IQ less than average, that he himself is at that level. Probably because they don't know how to read people.

And if you want know, I wrote my first post on this thread partly because I was annoyed, but more because I wanted to see if I could get Excelsior to write me a huge effort post of " Fuck you, I'm taking my toys and going home." I just wanted to see if I knew enough men like him that I could hit the button right on the mark. And I got not one, but two posts.

I may be an asshole, but I'm a scientific asshole.

And I NEVER, until this very sentence, used the word coal burner. I also NEVER voiced an objection to anyone pursuing whatever woman of any race they wanted. I just thought a lot of people were hypocritical in their responses, and that a lot of people don't understand the universal, tribal nature that affects all of us.

Mixed dating is never easy. My first marriage was to a Korean girl. The last girl I seriously thought about marrying was black. I just let her go because I made the decision to move back home around family, and while my parents would be more than accepting of her, a few bad apples would not. While I have thick skin, she and any kids would suffer because of it, and I did not want to see that. I knew she would drift back to the black community after me, and she did and has a wonderful black boyfriend now.

Go read some blogs by mixed white dad and asian mother boys. Many of them are absolutely miserable and depressing. Because it's hard to make these relationships and families work. It's not impossible, but it will be a struggle for every day of your life, and any children you leave behind. And me talking shit online is nothing compared to any truely vicious attacks in real life.

I make a lot of facetious statements online, but that's because I lived though a whole lot of this in real life.

https://www.amazon.com/What-Every-BODY-S...0061438294

http://www.paulekman.com/micro-expressio...ing-tools/

[nomadbrah]

(08-29-2016 08:10 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

They have no potential to be hurtful because there is no historical context or consequence to give them the kind of weight and prominence that other terms have.

In other words "Racism = Power + Prejudice"?

[ivansirko]

(08-29-2016 08:10 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

The real reason is that White/Asian relations have never been as controversial (especially among the nation's white male population) and aggressively attacked as Black male/white female unions in this country.

Incorrect. For the most part Jim Crow in the South did not apply to Asians (there were exceptions). Thats it. There were superawesome laws against Interracial marriage that included Asians in most states. Especially the west coast were Asians second class citizens for a long time. Sundown towns did apply to Asians in some cases.

It is not controversial today is a better statement.....well actually it can be but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[Excelsior]

(08-29-2016 08:17 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 08:10 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

They have no potential to be hurtful because there is no historical context or consequence to give them the kind of weight and prominence that other terms have.

In other words "Racism = Power + Prejudice"?

No.

Systemic racism requires power, since one must control the system in order to express it.

Racism in and of itself can be expressed whether you have control over the system or not.
That doesn't mean that the weight and prominence of expressed racialized terms or behaviors cannot vary based on other factors, up to and including the level of power and influence you have historically had in society.

[Fortis]

I'm done. Good fun, but I think this thread has run its course for me. I look forward to the next RVF snowball fight.

[thoughtgypsy]

(08-29-2016 06:48 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 09:57 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

It was in bad taste to use the word coalburner, and I can see where you guys are coming from in pointing out the extremely negative connotations it could be interpreted with. But I'm not sure OP used it with the intention of vitriol that's being attributed to him.

To be honest, I don't know many people that use the word, but I can't see it being used to paint an entire race in a negative light.

Ok, good, this is the conversation we should be having. This is what's getting everyone worked up. What's the significance of the word coalburner? Let's discuss that.

I'm not going to really spend the time addressing all of your accusations of intentionally misrepresenting things or subtle racial shit test since ultimately, it would be a waste of time. If the word is as charged as you think it is, then I can understand where your anger is coming from, and a lot of the hostile rhetoric makes more sense under that context. Either way, it's tangential to the core issue here.

Before my original post, I looked up the word on urbandictionary.com and skimmed through the page to get a rough idea of what everyone was talking about. So I'll give it a more thorough analysis this time.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph...coalburner

The most widely accepted definition does seem to allude to specific types of Black men and White women:

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A "Coalburner" is a white girl who is spoiled rotten and rebels against her wealthy or middle class parents for some imagined affront sometime in their short lives. This rebellion manifests itself in the form of fucking any sloppy pussy-ass fake gangbanger

Not gonna post the rest as it only gets uglier from there. It does seem to be talking about racial groups as a whole from there though.

Another that could be interpreted to identify specific subsets of both groups:

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A rich blonde yuppie who only goes to clubs that play black music so she can find the perfect brother to piss her dad off with.

So there's at least some room for confusion for those who aren't familiar with it. It's also gained traction in some parts of the altright spheres, and naturally there will be some bleedover into other circles of the alternet. I've seen it being thrown around on sites like Roissy without bothering to look much into it. When words go viral, like "cuck", people will often throw them around without fully understanding their meaning or implications. That's why we should be having these conversations.

Honestly, OP congratulating the Jamaican player's game, and including a laughing .gif doesn't fit the profile of some craven resentful racist, which might have been what threw me for a loop.

Anyway, back to the core issue. As you said, most of the definitions are universally hostile to Black people as a whole. Most of the definitions are either hateful and apply the label to all White woman/Black man pairings, or neutral and apply the label to simply describe White women who prefer Black men. But by and large, it looks like you're probably right.

[Space Cowboy]

If you guys argue more, you can only be more right!

[Sidney Crosby]

So Lee's suspension is probably over now, waiting to see if he jumps back in here.

[rudebwoy]

Not sure why this is news, this type of stuff happens all the time.

Why some guys are busy using negs to try and get girls, these island lothario's are busy telling these loser chicks how beautiful and special they are. In return, they are getting houses, cars and all sort of gifts. As they say, don't hate the game - you know the rest.

@Jacksonrev - could you kindly highlight what you find offensive about our thread?

As men we should be more accepting of each other, this use to be the great thing about the forum. I know many guys who met of this forum and communicate on a regular basis, despite them being from different racial groups I have always got out of my way to meet guys who came to my city to visit.

The whole race debate is old and quite frankly retarded.

[rudebwoy]

(08-27-2016 11:28 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  

This shit is the reason so many posters confine their posting to that thread and a handful of others in the first place. As widespread as this fuckery is in society at large, it has become especially explicit and prominent in the manosphere now, as if to lift a big middle-finger to the black men who have contributed to this portion of the internet for years as part of what they were told was a brotherhood designed for self improvement. Instead, we get insecure fuckery. I'm not here for it.

Once again, to all of those who support and promote this kind of bullshit: Fuck you, your ilk, and the hole you lot crawled out of.

Well said my man.

Most guys I know don't bother with the forum nowadays, if they do it is for a few minutes and then they leave.

I never come on this side anymore, this thread was bought to my attention.

The decline is truly sad, this use to be a fun place.

[iop890]

(08-29-2016 12:00 PM)Tim in real life Wrote:  

(08-29-2016 11:10 AM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  

The Rationalization is very strong in this thread

I find it pretty ultra unfortunate that two millennia of Anglo men got wrongly taught to put pussy on the pedestal, to the point they unknowingly gave their foremothers posthumous pussy passes to be dickriding the Vikings, before the Crusades.

Of course, two of the logical effects of the Vikings and the era's Englishwomen includes pre-Crusades Englishmen getting cucked, and pre-Crusades Englishmen, literally white knighting by blaming AND killing the Jews out of sexual frustration.

Off-topic but the thread's a shit-show anyway:

You have at least half a dozen of these posts in your short history on this forum.
What is your fascination with viking dick?

[kaotic]

Back on the topic:

What I've learned from this is that woman is man's demise - look at how she fucked over her man.

Look at her actions that were reported on have caused on this forum and exploded into a full on debate - sometimes bringing out the worst in people.

I believe woman are more inherently racist than men are or ever will be.

And some mother fuckers can write on this forum - on both sides - and my sorry ass types fast as fuck and I don't proofread or spell check - end up looking like a retard

[BoiBoi]

(08-29-2016 10:03 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Not sure why this is news, this type of stuff happens all the time.

Why some guys are busy using negs to try and get girls, these island lothario's are busy telling these loser chicks how beautiful and special they are. In return, they are getting houses, cars and all sort of gifts. As they say, don't hate the game - you know the rest.

This is where this thread should have ended before it even began. This shit is a non-story (at least to anyone who has been to the Carribbean). Now go and bang some white, black, brown, yellow or red bitch. Or get your white, black, brown, yellow or red dick sucked.