[Brodiaga]

Hey Cyclone, great datasheet. Why did you call it "Don't bang Hawaii", though? It seems like you're doing well there.

[TravelerKai]

(08-02-2016 06:38 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 12:52 PM)zatara Wrote:  

I dunno man, if you're 40 years old[1] and you can't afford to spend $5 on a beer you might need to re-evaluate life slightly I would have thought. And/or if you have nothing better in your life to spend money on other than "gay shit and beer".

If you read some of my other posts, I've drunk beers on 5 continents. I like to travel, and while I'm there, I drink beer. If seeing the world and drinking beer is not your own idea of how to spend your cash, then that's fine. Enjoy yourself in your own way while I spend my earnings to see nice things.

But I love beer, and I like cheap beers. And I like drinking beers while seeing some great-ass mountains or a fabulous river or beach. If the beers are 50 cents, I'm a fan. If the beers are 5 bucks, then fuck that place. No doubt Hawaii is beautiful. But I can see the same nice shit in another country and not spend $100 a day on beer.

If that makes me a loser, I'm ok with it. Cheers.

Wow you really do like beer. You should check out Asia sometime. Cheap and excellent beers can be found in Thailand, China, and Japan. Suits might even be able to point you in the direction of good beer in China, but he prefers craft brews. I found good beers the Chinese copied from German beers inside the small cities myself and they were the equivalent of 10 cents USD. Tasted really good too, drank a whole case in one day.

All that said, I cut back on beers hardcore. I barely drink 10 a year now. It isn't good for my weight control efforts. I tip my hat to you fellows that can drink it all the time and not gain weight.

[Cyclone]

(08-02-2016 10:13 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

Hey Cyclone, great datasheet. Why did you call it "Don't bang Hawaii", though? It seems like you're doing well there.

Ha, it's a case of coming up with the title after the datasheet.
Because in hindsight, despite all the fun I had in Hawaii and the crazy stories that came with it, it's simply not a destination to go to for bangs. I was running 10/10 game many nights and despite my game being more on-point than it ever was, getting the bang happened way too rarely

I thought it was an American problem until I visited LA for a few nights and was blown away by the receptiveness of the girls there. It was a (relieving) call to reality that Hawaii is still not a poosy paradise.. the girls just arent sexual
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[chips]

Great datasheet Cyclone, do you have any advice/info on the North Shore of Oahu?

[Cyclone]

(08-04-2016 12:44 PM)chips Wrote:  

Great datasheet Cyclone, do you have any advice/info on the North Shore of Oahu?

Hey man, are you moving there? Sadly the North Shore is pretty devoid of any pickup opportunities, other than white chicks living there for a few weeks to catch some waves. Me and a coworker did some pickup there but if you don't fit their profile it doesn't really go anywhere
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[chips]

(08-07-2016 03:57 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 12:44 PM)chips Wrote:  

Great datasheet Cyclone, do you have any advice/info on the North Shore of Oahu?

Hey man, are you moving there? Sadly the North Shore is pretty devoid of any pickup opportunities, other than white chicks living there for a few weeks to catch some waves. Me and a coworker did some pickup there but if you don't fit their profile it doesn't really go anywhere
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Nah just planning to visit during Thanksgiving

[Suits]

(08-03-2016 07:06 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 06:38 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 12:52 PM)zatara Wrote:  

I dunno man, if you're 40 years old[1] and you can't afford to spend $5 on a beer you might need to re-evaluate life slightly I would have thought. And/or if you have nothing better in your life to spend money on other than "gay shit and beer".

If you read some of my other posts, I've drunk beers on 5 continents. I like to travel, and while I'm there, I drink beer. If seeing the world and drinking beer is not your own idea of how to spend your cash, then that's fine. Enjoy yourself in your own way while I spend my earnings to see nice things.

But I love beer, and I like cheap beers. And I like drinking beers while seeing some great-ass mountains or a fabulous river or beach. If the beers are 50 cents, I'm a fan. If the beers are 5 bucks, then fuck that place. No doubt Hawaii is beautiful. But I can see the same nice shit in another country and not spend $100 a day on beer.

If that makes me a loser, I'm ok with it. Cheers.

Wow you really do like beer. You should check out Asia sometime. Cheap and excellent beers can be found in Thailand, China, and Japan. Suits might even be able to point you in the direction of good beer in China, but he prefers craft brews. I found good beers the Chinese copied from German beers inside the small cities myself and they were the equivalent of 10 cents USD. Tasted really good too, drank a whole case in one day.

I don't care for Chinese beer. I drank it happily for my first two years in China, but it all started tasting very low quality to me. The first beer I drank was in Japan, Asahi. I still like that. German influence, but crisper. I don't like German made beer, I find it dull and simplistic, but some Japanese versions do really hit the spot.

My dislike for Chinese beer coincided with my experimentation with a wider variety of beer choices. I'd do a semester or a year in China and then move back to the US for more schooling there.

I could go to a Meijer location in Michigan and choose individual beer bottles from the massive selection available, so I tried a lot of different options.

When I was in China the first couple times I had limited experience with beer and I'd just drink what was commonly available, which at that point was Qingdao.

Qingdao comes in different varieties. It used to be that most places served a large bottle that tasted kinda skunky. Then there was a smaller bottle that was much crisper and better flavored. I still like to drink that from time to time now.

Qingdao stopped being the affordable beer of choice at some point between 2008 and 2010. They increased their pricing and tried to appeal to a higher end market. Now there are a few different contenders, with Yanjing being the strongest competitor, at least here in Beijing.

Generally now, I'll drink Belgium import beer, but in the last month, I've been living a life of reduced expenditure so that I can invest more money into developing my business, so I've been sticking to drinking Yanjing at home and it does the job. Not my preference, but for 3-4 RMB a bottle, it is a more budget friendly choice than paying 30-50 RMB for an import at the grocery store.

[AboveAverageJoe]

Going home for a week. If you can't get laid by a tourist in Hawaii you can't get laid anywhere. Those girls go on vacation to fuck, especially the strippers. Hawaii is a pussy paradise but you have to fit in. It is a very insular place. Outsiders are not tolerated well.

[churros]

Great data sheet. Heading over soon, will report back. Isn't this where RSD Tyler cut his teeth? Wonder why he liked it so much.

Reading between the lines, it just looks like the local chicks are not banging tourists/outsiders. That's understandable I suppose.

[Cyclone]

(10-29-2016 07:51 PM)churros Wrote:  

Great data sheet. Heading over soon, will report back. Isn't this where RSD Tyler cut his teeth? Wonder why he liked it so much.
Reading between the lines, it just looks like the local chicks are not banging tourists/outsiders. That's understandable I suppose.

Yeah it is, and he actually revisited a few months ago while I was there. He continues to state that it's a tough place to game.. but i think he moved there cause he already had a GF

Local chicks just bang within their high school social circle.. they blow away mainlanders and tourists like they're paper .. why bother with men who are shallow/clueless and have no place being here when you have solid guys in your network who know what they're doing?
They probably only fuck 2-3 guys through their 20's but that's their bad.
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[choichoi]

Yeah I can vouch that most military guys are a non threat. Most do their pickup via Tinder and POF and lack real life social skills due to hours playing video games and getting belligerently drunk often. Rolled with Cyclone a few times. Fun guy and very sociable.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

I'm a sailor out here in Pearl Harbor and can confirm the OP's post.

Hawaii has been a moderately difficult spot to game. Especially if you're like me and aren't into asians or black girls and only like white and latinas. Which automatically eliminates 2/3 of the population of the island.

This leaves few prospects to game. Adding in also the skewed dick to chick ratio due to the islands huge military presence it makes competition fierce.

The white and latinas you will find for the most part are either tourists, college girls, or hippie/surfer chicks.

The last ones will want no part of you unless you fit the stereotypical beach loser surfer dude. Which I think those types of dudes are gay even though they attract some hot girls but I digress.

College girls are not a bad option but they tend to stick with their social circles and you basically have all the advantages/problems as you would find with any college girl.

The last one are tourists which IMO are the best option to pursue. They usually stay anywhere from a week to a few months(this being ideal) and want to meet some cool dudes to show them around the island.

Most have terrible logistics though because they for the most part stay with family/friends in a shared space. And if you have shitty logistics too like I do(live on base) then getting the bang will be tough.

Since I've been here I've had to put in some hard time working on my game. And like the OP said you can be running really solid game and still not get much. In a positive light though when you get out of Hawaii and get good logistics you should be able slay like it seems the OP did.

[Drifter]

(07-31-2016 08:55 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Great datasheet Cyclone. Glad to see that you are alive and well too. Only thing I can think of is that some of the newer cats may not know much about you or what you have done. Can you kind of break down what did get you laid a little bit more? It sounds like you did manage to squeak out a nut somehow someway. Also, if you had more time to live there, what would you do differently or invest into from a game perspective.

Again, good datasheet. Would rep you but I already gave you one for another sheet.

[Malamore]

I've lived in Oahu since 04/2016 and completely agree with this data sheet, it is great work by Cyclone, the thirst is real here gentlemen, I have several funny good looking Alpha buddies and they all have girlfriends while they try to snag tourist girls on the side when they can. You have to keep a gf if you want sex on the regular out here, doesn't matter who you are, living the player lifestyle is impossible if you DON'T LIVE IN Waikiki. Local girls don't give any man the time of day if he hasn't been vetted by here social circle she will laugh, flirt maybe if your lucky even kiss you but at the end of the night you are going home with your dick in your hand. If your still determined to come to Oahu best advice is daygame in Waikiki beach and try to catch tourist girls looking for vacation "fun"

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

(12-22-2016 02:45 AM)Malamore Wrote:  

I've lived in Oahu since 04/2016 and completely agree with this data sheet, it is great work by Cyclone, the thirst is real here gentlemen, I have several funny good looking Alpha buddies and they all have girlfriends while they try to snag tourist girls on the side when they can. You have to keep a gf if you want sex on the regular out here, doesn't matter who you are, living the player lifestyle is impossible if you DON'T LIVE IN Waikiki. Local girls don't give any man the time of day if he hasn't been vetted by here social circle she will laugh, flirt maybe if your lucky even kiss you but at the end of the night you are going home with your dick in your hand. If your still determined to come to Oahu best advice is daygame in Waikiki beach and try to catch tourist girls looking for vacation "fun"

Where are you located on the island? I would say online game and social circle game are the best especially if you can get in with the university crowd. Most people on the beach in Waikiki are families on vacation. Many young girls cant afford a trip to Hawaii outside of with their family and it wold be weird gaming a girl in front of her family.

[Cyclone]

(12-23-2016 04:03 PM)Mr. Bigglesworth Wrote:  

Where are you located on the island? I would say online game and social circle game are the best especially if you can get in with the university crowd. Most people on the beach in Waikiki are families on vacation. Many young girls cant afford a trip to Hawaii outside of with their family and it wold be weird gaming a girl in front of her family.

First of all, the whole family on the beach thing is greatly exaggerated - I'd say only 10% of all girls on the beach were actually with even a single family member. They manage to separate themselves for hours while the folks nap. But that doesn't make them easier to pull.

Online game is a joke in Hawaii

And university crowd, sure, if you can "get in with them" as you said. But what do you have to offer university students? Admittedly, that's what I did, and was very successful, but it's not all that easy and all girls would prefer to be with a guy already somewhat affiliated with the university.
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[Mr. Bigglesworth]

(12-28-2016 06:12 AM)Cyclone Wrote:  

(12-23-2016 04:03 PM)Mr. Bigglesworth Wrote:  

Where are you located on the island? I would say online game and social circle game are the best especially if you can get in with the university crowd. Most people on the beach in Waikiki are families on vacation. Many young girls cant afford a trip to Hawaii outside of with their family and it wold be weird gaming a girl in front of her family.

First of all, the whole family on the beach thing is greatly exaggerated - I'd say only 10% of all girls on the beach were actually with even a single family member. They manage to separate themselves for hours while the folks nap. But that doesn't make them easier to pull.

Online game is a joke in Hawaii

And university crowd, sure, if you can "get in with them" as you said. But what do you have to offer university students? Admittedly, that's what I did, and was very successful, but it's not all that easy and all girls would prefer to be with a guy already somewhat affiliated with the university.
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I've had pretty good success with Tinder out here. If you're not into fat Samoan girls and Asians like I am then you just have to swipe through a lot of girls to find the good ones. That said, online here is way worse compared to other cities that I've lived in.

I made friends in the colleges out here through the girls I met on Tinder and that's how I got into those groups. I didn't offer them anything except being a cool dude and fun to hangout with. What did you do that gave you success here?

And for beach game I'm not against it at all. What I've found is that the best spot is right by the zoo in front of Lulu's. Lots of college girls there. Further down by the resorts there are a lot of families there. It's just from my experience that day game has the lowest success rate compared to the others. Especially night game if you have good logistics by living in Waikiki. I lost so many bangs because I couldn't bring the girls back to base and couldn't go with the girls were staying with their friends/family.

[Travel Museums]

Just booked an Island hop on Hawaiian. Despite my membership discount on checking a bag ($15 instead of $25) they charged a seat fee ($10) which brings the charge back up to what it is for nonmembers.

Trying to figure out if it’s cause it’s a bulkhead seat (no underseat storage) or what? Just seems petty to charge for that on a preferred seat.

So what the hell is a seat fee? Is this new thing? Never flew Hawaiian. Everyone says it’s such a nice airline.

Was gonna maybe island hop a bit but it’s going to add up especially with holidays making planes full. Short notice seems like holiday week fares are double.

So basically I have alrwdy booked a week on Kauai. Depending on if I get a Na Pali camping permit or not I was looking at spending my second week on another island.

Already done Oahu. So wondering which other island would be best around nov 28- dec 4? I’m guessing Maui is going to be crowded so save it for another time?

P.s. Don’t really care about girl factor (heading to Phillipines next). Just want a nice vacation without holiday related hassles.

[Adonis]

(11-21-2017 03:24 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

So basically I have alrwdy booked a week on Kauai. Depending on if I get a Na Pali camping permit or not I was looking at spending my second week on another island.

Already done Oahu. So wondering which other island would be best around nov 28- dec 4? I’m guessing Maui is going to be crowded so save it for another time?

P.s. Don’t really care about girl factor (heading to Phillipines next). Just want a nice vacation without holiday related hassles.

Was just on Kauai last week for few days, I doubt I will go to Oahu or Maui on my own dime again. Amazing island! Game opportunities I think will be limited as I saw mostly families and older couples there, but for relaxing without the stress of crowds or traffic it's perfect.

The hotels were all mostly several hundred dollars a night so I got a 1 bd condo in Poipu via AirBnB with full kitchen for about $150/night. The bigger resorts definitely had more girls, and about a half dozen weddings I noticed while I was there. The Costco has the cheapest gas on the island and everything there is the same price as the mainland. I don't know if you're doing a car rental, but I went through Advantage for my Jeep and it was several hundred dollars cheaper than the big companies (Dollar, Hertz, etc).

Na Pali permits were sold out for my time there so I did a day hike to Hanakapia’i Beach which is the furthest you can go without one. I got to Ke'e Beach (where the trailhead is) at about 9 and the satellite lot was already filling up and on my way out it was a complete clusterfuck to leave so I should advise you to get there early and park right next to the entrance of the satellite lot so you don't have to exit the lot in reverse like I did. The drive there is nice, but slow with several one lane bridges and took about 90 min from my condo.

The weather was great while I was there, it was always sunny somewhere so if its raining where you're staying head to the opposite side of the island and it should be sunny and 80*. I stayed mostly in the south, so if you want some intel from that area let me know and Ill look at my notes.

[Travel Museums]

Yeah I was just checking online hoping a cancellation popped up. I got lucky with last minute cancelations on permit hikes like Mt Whitney before. Seems like maliloli campground is closed indefinitely though. So it’s just kaulalea.

I always laugh to myself about Na Pali because RSD Owen/Tyler used to always rave about how he does it every year and it’s epic. It makes me think of clownish PUAs hiking. Actually saw him in LV a few years ago and he mentioned it too. Like a DHV/passion story thing. I know other west coast party people that like to talk about it.

I rented a compact via priceline for first few days (they offer cheap third party comprehensive insurance for $11/day). Then meeting family for holidays. Then on my own afterwards.

Apparently it’s the rainiest place on earth. So good advice on moving for weather. Seems like there’s a ton of hiking options. Should be good.

[Kona]

(11-21-2017 03:24 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

Just booked an Island hop on Hawaiian. Despite my membership discount on checking a bag ($15 instead of $25) they charged a seat fee ($10) which brings the charge back up to what it is for nonmembers.

Trying to figure out if it’s cause it’s a bulkhead seat (no underseat storage) or what? Just seems petty to charge for that on a preferred seat.

So what the hell is a seat fee? Is this new thing? Never flew Hawaiian. Everyone says it’s such a nice airline.

Preferred seating. Keep in mind the flight is twenty five freaking minutes so preferred seating is stupid. You should call them. 18003675320.

Don't forget to look on Craigslist for people selling interisland vouchers. Do not buy them for island air, because they just went out of business. But people sell the mokulele and haw'n ones all the time. Cheap too.

And I his time of year til after new year's day is gonna be busy at all the touristy spots.

Try see what you can find on air bb in Molokai if you don't want to come to Oahu. If you just want to chill that's the spot. Lots hiking type stuff there. Ride donkeys and go see the lepersey people.

Aloha!

[Travel Museums]

Ha sitting in my seat now it’s not bulkhead. A freaking seat fee. Should call it the “we think you’re an idiot, now pay us bitch” fee. That’s a pretty shitty charge. That sneaky nickel and dime shit just annoys me to no end. Preferred was all they had left. I’m always fucking with my departure dates till last minute. Would have saved a lot if I bought even a week ago.

[Travel Museums]

Kauai
Spent several weeks on Kauai. Kept extending my stay to enjoy this magical island. Definitely way better vacation than Oahu.

First: It’s not fantastic for girls. It doesn’t have any real nightlife besides a few art nights. You need to be at the beach everyday to meet girls. But most of them are small and not crowded this time of year.

Lots of cute girls working in coffee shops. Not so much hanging out. To me those numbers end up being a pain in the ass unless you cultivate them correct which on a shorter visit can take too much time. They mostly want to hang at the beach on days off. Not spend $100 in a botanic garden with retirees.

I stayed in Lihue which is where the airport is. It’s got a Walmart and Costco (cheapest gas). I rented a car which was essential for getting around. From Lihue it’s around an 1-1.5 hours to drive to the end of road on either end of island.

The Garden Isle has a lot of Botanical Gardens and farm tours. I did pretty much all of them which gets expensive. Usually $50-100 for three hour tour. Smith’s was only $6 if you’re on a tight budget. Kauai coffee farm is free. Koloa rum tasting is free.

There are the usual waterfalls. A few popular ones require a short hike or kayak. Many others are for viewing from helicopter. One tour stops at the “Jurassic Park” Falls for $350. Ouch.

To kayak wailua river rent from kamokila Hawaiian village $35. That village was my favorite thing on the island for it’s authenticity. Includes admission and only 5 minutes paddle to fern grotto and beach for trailhead to secret falls.

The museums and visitors centers are worthwhile if you’re into nature and geology. The kilaeu lighthouse is a picturesque peninsula that’s a national wildlife refuge for albatross, nene, tropic birds, etc.

In winter the South Island is for snorkeling and north island for surfing. I tried a few non guarded beaches and felt I was in over my head. Hanalei Bay and Haena had guards but were more crowded with amateurs and asshole paddleboarders. Annoying enough I just gave up and stuck to touristy sightseeing.

I saw monk seals, Green sea turtles, humpback whales. I met a girl who had permits for Na Pali but during bad weather. She went anyway and had to get helicoptered out. I went the next week after a string of nice days and had no problem. The beginning of the trail scares people because it’s lretty much always muddy. It quickly gets into rainshadow and dries out.

The first Sat night of month is the art night in Kapa’a. The two hostels are there but not much else besides a new coastal bike path. It’s the closest thing to nightlife. I picked up there and afterwards there was a full moon party on rock quarry beach. Mostly the ug hippy type.

I did meet two smokeshows on Kalalau Trail who gave me a ride home. Half my age walking barefoot. Barely kept up with them. Then they IG dominate me with like close to a million followers each!

I think any halfway decent girl on Kauai has plenty of dick to choose from. They’re outnumbered by a good margin. I met a few groups of 2-3 girls over from other islands for a few days. Potential contacts but I gave up game and just did my own thing.

If you’re not willing to sacrifice your island time to game it’s pretty tough. Still I’d go back to do some more hiking in Waimea and Kokee area. Or some adventure type stuff, boat rides, etc.

I’d recommend three nights minimum for Kalalau Trail. First night at Hanakoa. Second at Kalalau. One day to chill and recover. Then hike out.

You also might want to bring rain gear. Had no idea this was rainest place on earth. It got into 50s and breezy at night. Same for daytime up in Kokee.

What else. Cheapest resort is gonna be $150ish. You can do a hostel for $50/night or so. Plenty of AIRBNB options in between. Car was $160/week.

Nicest resort seemed the grand Hyatt on south shore. Sheraton is nice too and has a beach with ok surfing. But can be crowded with beginners. Nice hike on malelepu coat from Hyatt out past a cool sinkhole. Ends at a remote beach.

Only nice restaurant I splurged on was dukes in Lihue. Theres a bar downstairs but not good for pickup. The nawaileawailea? Bar next door had some chicks I started running game on and decided it wasn’t worthwhile to be up late.

[bleaknight]

I thought I would add to cyclone’s datasheet with my 2018 experiences in hawaii. Just finished my 10 days trip, some recap of my nightlife excursions.

Some stats on me, 170cm, average powerlifter build with some arm definition, east asian, tanned, so I pretty much look lile a local.

All in waikiki

Playbar:

$10 cover

I went here on a sunday night which is the service industry night, 1$ mixed drinks. Great value if you just wanna get drunk. A very ratchet place, hip hop club. Mostly black patrons, I barely saw any local. I went with a couple of german girls that i met at some bus stop from diamond head. Got to third base with one of them at my hostel’s bathroom then my room mate tried to use the bathroom which freaked her out , if only this was a day later, i’d have my fuckin airbnb, would’ve defo sealed the deal.

Moose’s :

$10 cover

Closes 3.30am

Similar vibe to playbar, but I have had better experience here, cheap drinks i didn’t spend more than 6 bucks for each. I feel like they have better set of tourists and more locals than playbar. They do have special nights but i can’t remember which one it was. I opened a set of 3 japs. Managed to escalate real hard on one of them then straight back to the airbnb hope the host won’t charge me for the period blood on the sheets though lol

Rumfire:

$10 cover

Closes 1am

I went here on a fri night, it was definitely packed. You gotta dress up to get in here, I didn’t find anyone catching my eye here so didn’t stay long. A few locals floating around and good bunch of tourists. Probably the best looking bar i’ve been to in waikiki, right next to the beach. I just notice that there is a posh vibe here and girls have stronger bitch shields.

Addiction:

$30 cover for men / $10 for girls

Closes 2/3am depending on the day

Small but very upmarket place, mostly locals head here, dressed to the 9s. Had a great time here. Drinks are very expensive $10+. I like the vibe, girls were pretty receptive but as cyclone said, locals are pretty tough.

Overall I had a great time in Hawaii, I was mainly here for surfing not having high hopes for the nightlife but Cyclone’s datasheet was pretty helpful. I’m defo coming back. Hope this was helpful.

[natas305]

Anyone around Honolulu? I'm here for almost a month, hanging out and surfing, but would be down to go out and try to meet some local girls.