[mensch]

Berlin, Hamburg, and Munich are the only three cities worth spending a significant amount of time if you're looking for a city. Vienna is nice as well.

Berlin is full of intellectuals, artists, and foreigners. Lots of Eastern Europeans. Lots of people who don't speak German and use English as their lingua franca. But they're all 'alternative'. You will see lots of cool bars, hipsters, tattoos, etc, etc.

Munich is a beautiful city, with better weather and the mountains nearby. It's very professional and expensive. People aren't really religious or traditional, despite the countryside feel. It's very Bavarian and sort of culturally backwards, despite the thriving economy.

I'd like to push back on the description of Vienna here. Vienna is very, very lefty. Red Vienna lives on. Full of arty people, everyone under the age of 35 is a feminist, no question. I don't think this is too different from Munich, to be honest, but because Vienna is so central to Austria it concentrates the same sort of people that go to Berlin in Germany. It is different from Berlin in that it's less 'edgy hipsters' and more sophisticated, cultures, literary people. But party life doesn't exist.

I haven't spent that much time in Hamburg, but I do like it. It's incredibly wealthy. The port area is beautiful. You can feel the Hanseatic and Bismarkian influences in the society. It also has some edginess to it, in the Reeperbahn area, etc... It's a very bourgeoise, and cosmopolitan.

[dukecro]

I was in Cologne this week for afternoon and night and it is better than I expected.I was around Rudolph Platz and there is a lot of cool bars with cute bartenders.
Also saw a lot of two sets, didn't game or look for iois so can't say anything about that.

[kirdiesel]

(12-21-2017 06:56 AM)dukecro Wrote:  

I was in Cologne this week for afternoon and night and it is better than I expected.I was around Rudolph Platz and there is a lot of cool bars with cute bartenders.
Also saw a lot of two sets, didn't game or look for iois so can't say anything about that.

Ive been saying FOREVER there isn't a problem to find girls here. The issue is getting them.

[achromaticmike]

Hot girls migrate to the money. There's more money in Munich and therefore the quality of women there is significantly higher than Berlin. That being said, Berlin has been rapidly getting more and more expensive the last few years and I'd expect the quality of women to increase as well.

Felix in Berlin had some top talent before it closed but overall, Munich is far superior for quality outside of the tourist / fest season. If you're okay with 6's and broke than Berlin has an endless supply of hipster chicks for you. If you're the banker with the Porsche then Munich is the correct destination.

Honestly, ten minutes on Tinder in Munich and Berlin explains it all. I would put the quality of chicks on Tinder in Munich up against any city worldwide.

[achromaticmike]

(12-20-2017 05:55 PM)Sky_Is_The_Limit Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 03:04 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 04:27 AM)semibaron Wrote:  

If possible ignore Germany and visit its smaller neighbor Austria. Hit Vienna.

MUCH better quality, MUCH less feminism, MUCH more girls from EE.

@semibaron: Have you visited Vienna recently? I have lived here for 4 months now and it is almost as much of a shit-hole for girls as Washington, DC and Toronto. Women are not very friendly if you do not speak German (although almost all Austrian women speak great English, the immigrants not so much) and exotic factor is non-existent here due to the massive influx of tourists and immigrants year round. IOI's are few and far. You can be in a packed lounge in the 1st district, dressed to the max while majority of the girls will look like shit in sweaters and jeans and they still will give you few visible signs that they are interested. Also, it does not help that feminism is big here as well, and once again the native women do not put much time into their looks. I almost feel like Berlin would be a better scene just because it is a larger city.

Also, while there are a lot of EE girls here they tend to run around in social circles which are hard to crack. After 4 months I am ready to pack my bags and move back to USA.

Absolutely. Do not visit Vienna for girls, never! I visited Vienna this year in October and was really surprised at how bad the girls are dressed there. I saw a lot more handsome guys (no homo) than sexy girls. Also, it doesn't help that I have a Northern German accent, which Austrians in general don't like. My friend in Vienna told me that you need a big social circle to get the best girls. And apparently, those social circles always go together to expensive clubs etc.

I also found the quality in Vienna to be horrible...

[zatara]

Vienna is a great city to visit. Very pretty architecture and great history and culture. I'd recommend it to anyone for visiting in general. But I'm also +1ing it being terrible for game.

[TripleG]

(12-22-2017 07:16 AM)zatara Wrote:  

Vienna is a great city to visit. Very pretty architecture and great history and culture. I'd recommend it to anyone for visiting in general. But I'm also +1ing it being terrible for game.

Lets not forget that Vienna is miserable during the winter and rough for day-game. Girls are walking fast after work so that they can get away from the elements and into the U-Bahn and their homes or escape into the female only fitness studios (yes, those actually exist here). Today was the first day in weeks that I could get outside and have a nice jog in the sun without getting soaked by the rain or blown off by the fierce winds into the Donau

[semibaron]

Guys, again, Vienna sucks. I don't want to defend it. Still, in my opinion, Vienna is much better than other major German cities.

You can't come to the "best German city" thread and say Vienna is horrible and Berlin is paradise. Objectively, both places suck in comparison to any other favourite RVF destination.

[superschalk]

If you are in Vienna you should completely forget about Austrian girls and should focus on a niche. There are roughly 200k people with Serbian roots living in Vienna. There are plenty of bars and nightclubs which are catering for the Balkan community. Just go to a bar in the 1. district called Graben 30. It is a bad place to approach girls but you can see a lot of talent which is not worse than Belgrade or Kiev. You can also find these girls on Instagram which I mostly use to find these girls. The good thing is with Balkan girls who grew up in Vienna is that they still have the Balkan hotness but also having western values like splitting bills, having their own job etc etc. Another thing is that these girls usually don´t like to date other Balkan guys in Vienna because most of them either have a shitty job or are involved in some shady activities.

When I was living there last spring I had a mini LTR with a Serbian girl, banged another Serbian girl, a Croatian girl. A few weeks back I was in Vienna for a weekend and managed to bang a Ukrainian girl on the first date and I am also in touch with a girl from Uzbekistan. I hopefully get her when I come back next time.

Another good niche might be the Erasmus students niche. It is not my kind of business anymore since I am too old for that. But check out Club Loco they have Erasmus nights.

Then there are plenty of afterwork parties on Thursdays. I went there with an American friend last May and he managed to get quite a few phone numbers.

Another niche which seems to work well is the Asian niche. There are plenty of Asian tourists and also a huge Asian community. Asian tourists can be found around Stephansplatz 24/7. And there are also Asian nights in certain clubs. I have not been to any but this could also be interesting if you are into Asian girls.

And last but not least Vienna is the gate into Eastern Europe. If you have a car or like to take buses you have the following options:

- Brno 2 hours
- Prague 4 hours
- Budapest 3 hours
- Zagreb 5 hours
- Belgrade 6 hours
- Bratislava 45 minutes

Went a bit of topic since this is a thread about Germany. Vienna is obviously not a pussy paradise but for a Western country it is pretty good as long as you manage to find and get into the niche which suits you.

[Nordwand]

Admittedly, I was last there three years ago, and things may have changed but, as a Brit, I found that Vienna "suffered" from a distinct lack of diversity, and thus I enjoyed my visits immensely.

Don't forget to see "The Mother of the Wendol"!

[TripleG]

@superchalk, ill check out Graben 30. Im too old for student parties (Erasmus) but since i like upscale places, especially lounges will give this place a go. Speaking of a decent place in Vienna while there are very few for such a large city the one good place is SkyBar which is right next to Stephanplatz, plenty of older more sophisticated women (cougars), nice jazzy music, a large round bar perfect for seeing IOI's and making approaches and usually decent ratios.

[Nowak]

(12-23-2017 09:54 AM)TripleG Wrote:  

@superchalk, ill check out Graben 30. Im too old for student parties (Erasmus) but since i like upscale places, especially lounges will give this place a go. Speaking of a decent place in Vienna while there are very few for such a large city the one good place is SkyBar which is right next to Stephanplatz, plenty of older more sophisticated women (cougars), nice jazzy music, a large round bar perfect for seeing IOI's and making approaches and usually decent ratios.

I've seen just as many hot Viennese girls as I've seen EE girls there. EE girls in the west, at least in Vienna ,aren't exactly anything special. As usual, you need to go to the source if you want the typical EE hottie.

[Hazaer]

(07-12-2016 04:40 AM)Stadtaffe Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 05:40 PM)BishesMyron Wrote:  

Munich is undoubtedly where cream de la cream of Germany concentrates. Top notch women but so are the men with both looks and money.

Based on my Tinder matches, I'd say student cities such as Muenster, Bremen would be best spots.

You're right about Munich.. I want to go for a weekend one day to Münster. Have seen it in Tatort and talked to someone from there, good architecture and also upmarket. I once stayed over in Freiburg im Breisgau and that's also a nice student city.

Considering coming over to freiburg from france for 2 or 3 days. Would it be fruitful in terms of setting up dates or would it be a long term kind of city? How would the international presence and ease of day/nightgaming be?

[Buddydowrongright2]

Chiming in to say that Vienna hands down is the best German-speaking city. Vibes and COL there compared to Munich (which sucks for pickup unless you're rich, or it's Oktoberfest) were night and day.

[Davoer]

There is no best city in Germany.
Maybe in Berlin or cologne there are some more options, or some student cities like Münster.
But in result I guess it's very. Frustrating to come here and go to Game.

[sterlingarcher]

East Berlin used to be great.

Hamburg was ok.

Bremen was a cool little city.

I'm surprised people are coming down on Berlin. Freidrichstein/Mitte/Prenzleburg used to be cool neighbourhoods.

This was about 10 years ago - maybe things have fallen that far.

[Rok1010]

Ive been living in Germany for 6years.
For starter try Berlin, its offer more opportunity and help you to get a feeling how to get with Germn girls. It is true, too many blacks and arabs. But there are still many German do NOT into them. I managed to have a long term blonde German girlfriend. Anything is possible in Berlin.

But having lived in Munich, if you want really high quality 9/10 looks and high quality traditional stable girls, Munich. But it is a small city and expensive, you get less opportunities in terms living situation.

So start with Berlin then Munich.

I did not manage ti get laid in Hamburg and Frankfurt, too many rich guys and I did not have much game at the time. I saw a lot of hot girls in Cologne but i was on work trip, so lots arabs there. Berlin/ Cologne too many arabs.

I live in Berlin now.

[Davoer]

The smaller student cities have the problem that the people there have many idiosyncrasies caused of the region where this. Cities are located. That makes it even more difficult to Game there as a stranger.

[Hazaer]

(10-20-2018 01:16 PM)Davoer Wrote:  

The smaller student cities have the problem that the people there have many idiosyncrasies caused of the region where this. Cities are located. That makes it even more difficult to Game there as a stranger.

But dont most german unis have lots of international students from erasmus etc.?
Places like Heidelberg, Freiburg, Gottingen seem to be talked about a lot. Do they have more of a commuter school vibe as opposed to a campus kind of feel?

[Davoer]

These cities are not very big. There are many international students but more Germans and they are very elitist. They can be up for gaming but many are not open for non students and mostly hang up in students bars etc. It's not very common for them to deal with stranger even foreigner. Plus the migrant invasion has made a bad influence too. Anyway it are nice cities with a nice flair like Heidelberg or Münster. Just not very open for gaming even there a lot of young pretty girls.I wudnt recommend it to go there just for gaming.
Berlin, cologne can be easier but even there it's not the best spot.in the Ruhr area like bochum, Dortmund girls are easy going and open, also in former gdr like Leipzig or Dresden. These are not the most educated girls. These places are workers areas in Germany, more poor people and not the. Nicest cities. Many Arabs and turks, plus east Germany, is very racist place.
Germany isn't the first choice to Game girls.

[JWLZG]

Sorry but whenever I hear the „too many Turks, arabs, and blacks etc.” mantra is the moment I can stop taking seriously advice about Germany. Guys that feel the need to blame black and brown men need to examine their own game if external forces are so strongly avoiding them getting some.
This is been a theme regarding Germany threads since way before the „migrant invasion” and we get it, all the Germanic countries are worse than Mogadischu are game purposes.

But guess what, black and brown guys have never once been an impediment to my game over here — this is concering a smaller sample size of Germany, mostly in Berlin — indeed, I've even had a few wings of those backgrounds; all of them were born and raised in the west though.

This is scaremongering at best. You ever see these sorts of guys at the clubs, definitely not the higher end ones, nor in any of the milieux where I run my game — for the most part, they are invisible to middle class+ girls; either local or expat. I can't say that I've got a specific niche yet, but I'm working on it, and suffice to say, even if Berlin doesn't, the rest of Germany definitely suits an ambitious man.

I've had wings here of every skin colour, and let me tell you, as a Westernised black or brown guy, you won't run into any issues even though you won't need to prove that you're not a „rapefugee”. I'm not white myself, and I haven't had issues attraction women here, even locals, they tend to be really receptive — Germany isn't really an IOI country but it's happened a few times. Furthermore, I've become stuck into the game scene here enough to gather that German guys aren't fussed about me gaming their women.

[Hazaer]

I think more than the migrant issue, its the whole attitude towards dating that might potentially be the problem. As an eg, you approach someone near an anglo uni campus eg in the US or Oz. You arrange an instadate, get the number for a drink later. Meet her again and there is a good chance you can seal the deal if the attraction is there. But in Germany, the issue is whether girls like to be daygamed and if so, is one or a two dates sufficient for short term visitors? Given Germany's central location, geography is not an issue for a weekend trip but would it be fruitful for gaming?
Its common forum knowledge that in Germany, local girls do not normally go out at night for ONS, its just not in their culture. The question is in the day, without the alcohol influence, how would the IOIs to getting the number to dating timeline be at these university cities.

[Davoer]

It will be difficult for game that's for sure. Germany girls can be cold arrogant and unfriendly like the complete society in Germany.

[JWLZG]

Fuck. I give up already.

OK just stay the fuck away from Germany everyone. It's the absolute worst country in terms of game, by a mile from the next worst. No red pilled man should set foot there.

[Lordleon]

@JWLZG It's not the worst bro but why bang Germany when you can go to Poland instead? Polish women are more femenine, open and friendly.
And when it comes to refugess, the problem is that you can walk around any major german city and you'll see them approaching aggresively in groups of 5 or 6. The girls become more defensive and it's pretty hard to daygame them. The "rapist" syndrome is true.