[signoria]

(06-29-2016 05:26 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

^^ Why would PKK possibly bomb Turkey at the moment when they have the sympathy and international support of the entire world as victims of both Erdogan and ISIS? How would PKK possibly profit from that?

[Nineteen84]

(06-29-2016 05:36 AM)signoria Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 05:26 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

^^ Why would PKK possibly bomb Turkey at the moment when they have the sympathy and international support of the entire world as victims of both Erdogan and ISIS? How would PKK possibly profit from that?

PKK don't appear to target tourists and instead court international sympathy - which they seem to do quite well (as HCE clearly just mentioned).

The only 'tourist attack' in your table by the Kurds is in fact a bomb on a police bus near the city's historic Beyazit Square. See this article:
Istanbul bomb attack on police bus kills 11, 7 June 2016 . Target: Police bus, not tourists.

Where did you get this table?

[signoria]

As you can see from the table kurdish militants have executed half of the attacks in the past year mostly targeting police and military. Those attacks started right after Erdogan's party lost its majority at the general elections. So they immediately stopped the peace process with the Kurds.

That suicide and gun attack killed 41 people at least 13 of them are foreigners. So this one is most likely ISIS.

I got the table from NY Times. Here is the link.

[47R]

[quote] (06-29-2016 05:36 AM)signoria Wrote:  

[quote='Handsome Creepy Eel' pid='1336344' dateline='1467196019']
^^ Why would PKK possibly bomb Turkey at the moment when they have the sympathy and international support of the entire world as victims of both Erdogan and ISIS? How would PKK possibly profit from that?[/quote]

pkk - a terrorist organisation that in the black list of all eu countries as well as usa and majority of the world.
Are we even talking about the same thing here ?
Why would pkk bomb Turkey ? I am asking the same question man. Since it is founded pkk bombed hospitals, schools, military bases, government institutions, private companies, kidnapped people and even kids in day light to mountains where they are tortured and made drug addict rape slaves and/or suicide bombers(including children). The death count is well above 10.000s. Many kurds that I know hate those motherfuckers and support Erdogan just for the sake that he is doing something about it whereas the previous economics professors and what not degree holder politicians were just pussies when it comes to deal with the mess.
Also, where the fuck are the women rights organisations and SJWs to interview any victims of terror ? Doesn't it count when the victim is a muslim Kurd ?


But because pkk is backed by the same globalists who also own the balls of the mainstream media. Its not a surprise that those terrorists who are also rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, suicide bombers (the list goes on and on)... are portrayed as freedom fighters and poor victims of Erdogan.

Back to your question, "Why would PKK possibly bomb Turkey at the moment when they have the sympathy and international support of the entire world as victims of both Erdogan and ISIS? "
I think simply because its what they do for a living. The true victim is obviously Turkey, look at the what happened last night if you need a proof.

My question to you is how does it make you feel to support pkk when you know they actively commit above mentioned crimes ? Can you face up any victim of terror and tell them how you support pkk ? Or is it all ok simply because the victims support Erdogan ?


"How would PKK possibly profit from that?" - Money rules the world (read my previous post again).

[Horus]

(06-29-2016 05:34 AM)wi30 Wrote:  

We need to completely obliterate this pedophilic death cult off the face of the earth.

I disagree, because obliterating Islam would mean lots of people dying, and I don't want lots of people to die. As much as I oppose the ideology of Islam, I don't want it's followers to die.

The solution is simple: a rejection of the lies of multiculturalism, a rejection of the lie that all cultures are equal, and an embrace of the provable fact that we're not just different from them, we're better than them. The solution requires a rejection of globalism, a return to nationalism, and a stop to retarded Western policy in the Middle East.

You know what? If I were an inbred Wajiristani, and my family were killed by one of Obama's drones, I would also hate the West and I would do everything I could to harm the people who harmed my family.

The West simply needs to leave the Middle East alone. Stop prodding the hornet's nest. Stop enabling evil Wahhabi degenerates. Leave them to themselves to fight it out, and for God's sake, don't let them settle in our land.

We've successfully contained Islam for 1400 years. They tried everything they could to convert Europe to Islam, and they failed. They were beaten back by the defensive wars known as the Crusades. The were beaten back in the Reconquista of Iberia. They were beaten back at the gates of Vienna. And they finally gave up the idea of military conquest when the US navy sailed across the Atlantic to punish the Barbary states. The past 1400 years is proof that the West is simply better than the Islamic world. Proof that Europeans are not only smarter, but in their natural state have balls of steel.

Put simply, Europeans have the intellectual capacity combined with optimal levels of testosterone to fuck the shit up of anyone who would try to mess with them.

The only option left for Muslims is conquest through the womb, and that is exactly what is happening now. Given the current fertility rates, it will only take two generations for the Muslim population to take over the native population.

It's time to leave them the fuck alone. Don't let them culturally enrich our lands. Don't do anything to help them, and don't do anything to harm them. And when they try to harm us, punish them to the point they will learn a lesson (which will likely be forgotten since low-IQ people have short memories, but when they have forgotten their lesson, simply punish them again). There is plenty of oil without relying on the Middle East if we form mutually-beneficial alliances with Russia and South America, and fully exploit the Arctic.

It's time to stop enabling them, and allow their cities to slowly be reclaimed by the sand.

[PowerGame]

People who blame pkk or kurds help erdogans fascism, isis and support the murder of kurds in the east. And accidentally the news never talk about how the Turkish military kills kurdish civilians on purpose.

Also I agree and fully believe that erdogan and his police and military let's the attacks happen. They want the chaotic circumstances.

just yesterday I saw a French documentary where Turkish military let isis pass over the border and watched how they murdered kurds.. When they saw the camera team they made them leave by force. And don't forget Turkish military illegal entered the kurdish regions of Iraq and Syria. Only the borders next to isis areas are open and "not controllable" while they shoot on real refugees in kurdish controlled borderlands.

I declare 47R a Turkish troll.

[The Beast1]

No need to kill all of them. Basically say if there is another terrorist attack in a western city, Mecca and Medina will become the world's newest nuclear waste dump. Wipe them off of the map and dump all of the waste in Yucca mountain in the middle of the desert.

Quite literally having the Hajj as a requirement for entry into heaven is a man building his religious house on sand.

[Horus]

(06-29-2016 06:38 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Quite literally having the Hajj as a requirement for entry into heaven is a man building his religious house on sand.

That was a sexy metaphor. I have a boner.

[It_is_my_time]

Worthless Secretary of State says this proves ISIS is desperate and hurting.

Just last month when ISIS inspired an attack in the USA, the very same people said this proves ISIS is so powerful that we have to limit or removed the 2nd amendment.

6 more months of these low IQ clowns and hopefully we get through those 6 months without any more ISIS attacks.

[Nineteen84]

(06-29-2016 06:19 AM)47R Wrote:  

[quote] (06-29-2016 05:36 AM)signoria Wrote:  

^^ Why would PKK possibly bomb Turkey at the moment when they have the sympathy and international support of the entire world as victims of both Erdogan and ISIS? How would PKK possibly profit from that?

pkk - a terrorist organisation that in the black list of all eu countries as well as usa and majority of the world.
Are we even talking about the same thing here ?
Why would pkk bomb Turkey ? I am asking the same question man. Since it is founded pkk bombed hospitals, schools, military bases, government institutions, private companies, kidnapped people and even kids in day light to mountains where they are tortured and made drug addict rape slaves and/or suicide bombers(including children). The death count is well above 10.000s. Many kurds that I know hate those motherfuckers and support Erdogan just for the sake that he is doing something about it whereas the previous economics professors and what not degree holder politicians were just pussies when it comes to deal with the mess.
Also, where the fuck are the women rights organisations and SJWs to interview any victims of terror ? Doesn't it count when the victim is a muslim Kurd ?


But because pkk is backed by the same globalists who also own the balls of the mainstream media. Its not a surprise that those terrorists who are also rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, suicide bombers (the list goes on and on)... are portrayed as freedom fighters and poor victims of Erdogan.

Back to your question, "Why would PKK possibly bomb Turkey at the moment when they have the sympathy and international support of the entire world as victims of both Erdogan and ISIS? "
I think simply because its what they do for a living. The true victim is obviously Turkey, look at the what happened last night if you need a proof.

My question to you is how does it make you feel to support pkk when you know they actively commit above mentioned crimes ? Can you face up any victim of terror and tell them how you support pkk ? Or is it all ok simply because the victims support Erdogan ?


"How would PKK possibly profit from that?" - Money rules the world (read my previous post again).

(06-29-2016 05:13 AM)47R Wrote:  

Turns out its the PKK terrorists that blew themselves. The target is civilians in the international flights section. Which means these terrorists dont just target the Kurds and/or Turks anymore but the foreigners in the country as well. In this respect isis and pkk share the same goal, that is to terrorise the region

SNIP

Where is this confirmation it was PKK? Can't find it anywhere on the net besides your post.

[Nineteen84]

(06-29-2016 06:17 AM)signoria Wrote:  

As you can see from the table kurdish militants have executed half of the attacks in the past year mostly targeting police and military. Those attacks started right after Erdogan's party lost its majority at the general elections. So they immediately stopped the peace process with the Kurds.

That suicide and gun attack killed 41 people at least 13 of them are foreigners. So this one is most likely ISIS.

I got the table from NY Times. Here is the link.

Bit of a sloppy and misleading graphic and doesn't really indicate intended targets.

ISIS has a history of targeting tourist intentionally whereas PKK doesn't.

I would therefore say it is unlikely the Airport attack is the work of PKK.

[Horus]

(06-29-2016 06:38 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

No need to kill all of them. Basically say if there is another terrorist attack in a western city, Mecca and Medina will become the world's newest nuclear waste dump. Wipe them off of the map and dump all of the waste in Yucca mountain in the middle of the desert.

I'm all for this, although I think that Jeddha and Riyadh should be added to the list to increase the chance that the royal family will be taken out. This is the only place in the Middle East that should be attacked - after that, close the door and leave them alone.

There would be several years of terrorist retaliation, but once that dies down, we would realise that it's for the greater good.

It would be a shame about all the cute Filipino girls working there though.

Edit: Why the hell would you ship the waste to Yucca? Leave it there so that any fanatical pilgrim who tries to visit comes home with a bad case of radiation poisoning.

[JohnKreese]

Probably not relevant, but interesting coincidence with the apologies and groveling made to Putin this week:

[47R]

(06-29-2016 07:14 AM)JohnKreese Wrote:  

Probably not relevant, but interesting coincidence with the apologies and groveling made to Putin this week:

at 0:05 I laughed loud and stopped watching

[Khan]

(06-29-2016 07:14 AM)JohnKreese Wrote:  

Probably not relevant, but interesting coincidence with the apologies and groveling made to Putin this week:

I doesn't have to be irrelevant, I don't believe in coincidences when it comes to geopolitics. Erdogan has recently made a 180 degree turn in his foreign policy by apologizing for the downed Russian plane and initiating a thaw in relations with Israel. Maybe this is in some way connected with Brexit?

[The Beast1]

(06-29-2016 07:03 AM)Horus Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 06:38 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

No need to kill all of them. Basically say if there is another terrorist attack in a western city, Mecca and Medina will become the world's newest nuclear waste dump. Wipe them off of the map and dump all of the waste in Yucca mountain in the middle of the desert.

I'm all for this, although I think that Jeddha and Riyadh should be added to the list to increase the chance that the royal family will be takt. This is the only place in the Middle East that should be attacked - after that, close the door and leave them alone.

There would be several years of terrorist retaliation, but once that dies down, we would realise that it's for the greater good.

It would be a shame about all the cute Filipino girls working there though.

Edit: Why the hell would you ship the waste to Yucca? Leave it there so that any fanatical pilgrim who tries to visit comes home with a bad case of radiation poisoning.

I was trying to say to take the waste from Yucca and dump it in those locations. Why store it at home when we have a nice crater in the desert for it?

Finally, give them notice that we'll destroy those cities. On X day because of your followers stupidity we will be glassing these locations. Tell foreign governments and civilians to leave or face annihilation. One week is enough time to get up and leave town.

[Horus]

(06-29-2016 07:47 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I was trying to say to take the waste from Yucca and dump it in those locations. Why store it at home when we have a nice crater in the desert for it?

Finally, give them notice that we'll destroy those cities. On X day because of your followers stupidity we will be glassing these locations. Tell foreign governments and civilians to leave or face annaliation. One week is enough time to get up and leave town.

[LeeEnfield303]

Damn, [REDACTED] is at it again.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I'm a bit more sporting, and I don't like to see habitable lands become irradiated un-necessarily.

By my thinking, when we suffer a terrorist attack we should do our best to determine what nation state facilitated or tolerated the presence of the terrorists that struck out at us.

Once that dirt simple task is accomplished, we annex that nation, drive all of its inhabitants from it, colonise it and defend it viscously as our own.

I predict any nation of strength would have to do this precisely once before they never again suffered another terrorist attack, and as a bonus you'd have a new colony to make use of.

[Horus]

(06-29-2016 09:46 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I'm a bit more sporting, and I don't like to see habitable lands become irradiated un-necessarily.

We're talking about Saudi Arabia. It's a desert and would otherwise by uninhabitable if not for the sheer luck that there are dead trees beneath their sand.

(06-29-2016 09:46 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

By my thinking, when we suffer a terrorist attack we should do our best to determine what nation state facilitated or tolerated the presence of the terrorists that struck out at us.

Every terrorist attack can eventually be traced back to Saudi Arabia. We know exactly who is behind this.

(06-29-2016 09:46 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Once that dirt simple task is accomplished, we annex that nation, drive all of its inhabitants from it, colonise it and defend it viscously as our own.

No, Saudi Arabia is not the same country it was when they feared Iraq would roll on from Kuwait and invade their country. They are now armed to the teeth with European and US weapons. Even though their personnel are generally lazy and incompetent, it would nevertheless be a bloodbath if anyone tried to annex them.

The best option is isolation and punishment. Get oil from shale, Russia, South America, the Arctic, and let the Saudis trade in their late model Mercedes for a top of the line camel.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(06-29-2016 10:12 AM)Horus Wrote:  

...
No, Saudi Arabia is not the same country it was when they feared Iraq would roll on from Kuwait and invade their country. They are now armed to the teeth with European and US weapons. Even though their personnel are generally lazy and incompetent, it would nevertheless be a bloodbath if anyone tried to annex them.

The best option is isolation and punishment. Get oil from shale, Russia, South America, the Arctic, and let the Saudis trade in their late model Mercedes for a top of the line camel.

I admit they might be a bit of a stretch for Australia to invade, but the U.S. would wipe the floor with them. Fancy weapons are all but irrelevant when the untested cowards manning them turn and run for the hills, as I suspect they would do.

And if you tried to simply isolate them then who's to say who's shoulder they would turn to? China? Russia? Cheap energy is power. Expending massive military and political power to isolate a nation while getting nothing back is a poor return on investment, as we've seen in North Korea.

War is hell, but neutering ourselves before our enemies has proven to be demonstrably worse. Our culture is superior, as is our technology and our fighting spirit. We needn't become bullies, but those who attack us should be dealt with mercilessly as a warning to those who would follow.

p.s. While terrorist funding might be eventually traced back to Saudi Arabia, annexing the nation the terrorists came from would send a message to other such nations that taking Saudi money to look the other way is quickly going to make them exiles from their homelands. They would clean house quickly. Of that I am certain.

[The Beast1]

Russia would love nothing more than for Saudi Arabia's oil fields to be eliminated. That means the cost of oil sky rockets and they become rich again.

China's the wild card, however they've made several deals with the Russians so there's no reason that wouldn't serve their needs.

America could easily "liberate" Venezuela and make it a territory. Food aid, meds, and other basic amneties would win over the populace. That would eliminate Saudi oil very easily.

No one likes the Saudis. Islam is a pox on every major power.

[Horus]

(06-29-2016 10:28 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I admit they might be a bit of a stretch for Australia to invade, but the U.S. would wipe the floor with them. Fancy weapons are all but irrelevant when the untested cowards manning them turn and run for the hills, as I suspect they would do.

And if you tried to simply isolate them then who's to say who's shoulder they would turn to? China? Russia? Cheap energy is power. Expending massive military and political power to isolate a nation while getting nothing back is a poor return on investment, as we've seen in North Korea.

War is hell, but neutering ourselves before our enemies has proven to be demonstrably worse. Our culture is superior, as is our technology and our fighting spirit. We needn't become bullies, but those who attack us should be dealt with mercilessly as a warning to those who would follow.

Of course the US would wipe the floor with them. But due to the billions of dollars of arms sold to them by the US and Europe, and invasion would come at the cost of thousands of lives. This is not hand to hand warfare and courage is not as important as the days when the British led the Oman Scouts into battle. These guys have the ability to shoot planes out of the sky and attack enemy forces at long range.

I don't think an invasion of Saudi Arabia would be as easy as Iraq. And the big lesson we have learned from years of intervention in the Middle East is that we tend to leave things worse off than when we arrived, and cause more discontent towards the West resulting in more terrorism.

Leave them alone, stop buying their stuff and stop giving them guns.

And if you're worried about them turning to Russia or China, well I'm confident that a competent leader (cough,,, Trump) could leverage slightly better deals with them than the Saudis.

Also, I don't think it's helpful comparing the Saudis to North Koreans. The North Koreans, while madmen, are highly, highly intelligent. There is no possible way that the Saudis could implement an indigenous missile or nuclear program like the North Koreans did despite isolation and economic sanctions - the Saudis simply lack the intelligence to achieve this.

Seriously, leave them alone and they will go away.

[thoughtgypsy]

(06-28-2016 05:08 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  

Four words: Mossad False Flag Operation.

The day before the Attack: Erdogan expressed readiness to normalize relations with Russia

Quote:

Vladimir Putin has received a letter in which Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan apologized for the death of the Russian pilot who was killed when a Russian jet was downed over the Syrian-Turkish border last November, the Kremlin said. Erdogan expressed readiness to restore relations with Moscow, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Monday.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-27...ores-ties-

Israel acknowledges supporting ISIS

Times of Israel Wrote:

Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said Monday that Israel has been providing aid to Syrian rebels, thus keeping the Druze in Syria out of immediate danger. Israeli officials have previously balked at confirming on the record that the country has been helping forces that are fighting to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-syri...raeli-aid/

Further analysis: http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-mil...ia/5464484

(06-28-2016 09:33 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

Can anyone (looking at you Samseau and Quintus) point me to a thread in the Deep Forum about the history of Islamic violence in the ME? Or a solid book on the subject?

In 1998, presidential national security advisor and founder of the internationally immune Trilateral Comission, Zbigniew Brzezinski admitted in Le Nouvel Observateur:

Quote:

Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.

Translated from the French by Bill Blum

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

[Horus]

(06-29-2016 10:33 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Russia would love nothing more than for Saudi Arabia's oil fields to be eliminated. That means the cost of oil sky rockets and they become rich again.

Wouldn't it be great if Russia were rich again? And if Europe were rich again? Here's a crazy thought - Let's make America and Europe and Russia great again.