[WestIndianArchie]

(06-25-2016 11:28 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

Think James Dean and Steve McQueen were more the guys with game off the screen than on the screen like Leonardo Dicaprio(a few exceptions in his movies here and there with most notably Wolf of Wallstreet).

They slayed ass left and right with girls even today fawning over them even though they're long departed. I guess it's more the persona than anything else like with Bond being the badass spy(excluding Connery's and Dalton's whom both had demeanor though Connery's wordplay was on another level).

Connery didn't write that stuff though.
And a lot of the dialogue is painful to listen to with modern ears.
Connery didn't make the wardrobe choices.

But there's a reason that Connery sticks out over Lazenby, Steele, Moore, Dalton et cetera.

JB - Why do Chinese girls taste better than all other girls
Random chick - You think we better, huh
JB - No, just different

They built game into the script - but Connery says it with such non-chalance.

WIA

[Travesty]

I will have to try watching more of this Harvey guy.

I don't see the charm at all. I guess the people he would charm would be people I wouldn't mesh well with.

He seems flat, his voice, delivery. Nothing is stand out. Seems like a "good on paper" guy. Doesn't seem memorable.

I guess his biggest fault in my eyes is he has nothing cool about him, again not on paper, in presence. He is success without any coolnesss. His delivery is calculated and plastic. Even Don Draper has more cool about him.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(06-25-2016 11:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

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Well isn't half the game how we say something rather than the dialogue itself. A person's tone can illicit certain responses in women. It's kind of my issue with texting in general. I can't always get the girl to get what kind of tone I'm using at times until the meet up happens.

And even then it seems to be an issue after the fact. I guess this is the reason I'm not a fan of online. There's so much to human interaction that's left out of it. That's what makes Connery's Bond as you stated up above so endearing and cool.

He says everything casually, cooly, and with the right amount of flair. Most guys gifted with that kind of vocal talent tend to do very well for themselves. I'd put it at roughly 50% of the guys that I've met with game tend to have a very pronounced way of speaking.

Off the forum I can immediately state Moma and Christian McQueen both having a very distinct vernacular coupled with excellent tonality and a voice that carries on well.

In terms of actors I would say: Sean Connery, Idris Elba, Raul Julia, Steve McQueen, Clint Eastwood, David Duchovny(guy who plays Hank Moody), and Al Pacino being concrete examples.

[LAX]

I personally have been quite impressed by Craig Ferguson. On mobile, but a quick YouTube search will reveal. Watch all the interviews with actresses but I recommend his interview with Brian Williams daughter, that chick from 'Girls'. Superior wit, he outduels Russell Brand mano a mano - that clip is worth watching as well.

[20Nation]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zorEMHb3o0Y

I still think the most helpful is Hank Moody in Californication. First, because it is a series and you can watch a lot of it. Second, because he has a realistic type of game in this day in age. and third because the character is based a lot on the actor himself (a notorious hollywood player).

I made a list on my blog a while back. Has 100+ recommended movies and tv series on it:
http://swooptheworld.com/the-ultimate-li...haracters/

[WestIndianArchie]

(06-25-2016 11:48 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I will have to try watching more of this Harvey guy.

I don't see the charm at all. I guess the people he would charm would be people I wouldn't mesh well with.

He seems flat, his voice, delivery. Nothing is stand out. Seems like a "good on paper" guy. Doesn't seem memorable.

I guess his biggest fault in my eyes is he has nothing cool about him, again not on paper, in presence. He is success without any coolnesss. His delivery is calculated and plastic. Even Don Draper has more cool about him.

I'm still trying to figure out where Hank Moody falls into this.

He's not Don Draper/James Bond cool.
He's not cartoonish Stinson/Swanson.
And most of the episodes have a fair amount of game.

Duchovny just leaves me cold. I don't know if that's him always being Fox Mulder, the fact that he has no range, or that the script doesn't call for much from him.

WIA

[WestIndianArchie]

(06-26-2016 04:11 AM)20Nation Wrote:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zorEMHb3o0Y

I still think the most helpful is Hank Moody in Californication. First, because it is a series and you can watch a lot of it. Second, because he has a realistic type of game in this day in age. and third because the character is based a lot on the actor himself (a notorious hollywood player).

I made a list on my blog a while back. Has 100+ recommended movies and tv series on it:
http://swooptheworld.com/the-ultimate-li...haracters/

Good shit. Got some stuff to add to the queue.

WIA

[Travesty]

I like Hank Moody a lot like everyone else I just knew he would be the favorite and he has an entire thread devoted to him and a forum member named after him. I think another 2 forum members with his avatar.

He gets very real with women quickly and tries to dig to their hopes and dreams. He goes into the bedroom voice talk quickly and walks the line well.

Of course he is also a great clown, and clown game has been king for awhile in a game arenas. In California it is still huge. My player friends here have all used a lot of "Retard Game" and girls eat it up.

Girls have a name for "Retard Game" it is called ridiculous. "You're so ridiculous! Do you even know what you're saying!? You're a child!"

I think guys like his humor and how he fits in sexual jokes and innuendos with the right pitch.

I have never heard a woman's opinion on Hank Moody as a character, then again see how women react not what they say.

[Travesty]

That Gossip Girl billionaire dude, Harvey Specter, and 50 Shades of Grey Christian Grey all have that same common personality. Smart, sharp, golden dialogue... there is something plastic over it.

It isn't memorable. It feels like it is assembled and not organic. We will see more of this as people get deeper into their phones. It also makes things better for players that "do the opposite" and even though girls may be pre-programmed to go after this new type from media. Other player types will be a breath of fresh air because authenticity and spontaneity will always win.

Also why Hank Moody is a forum favorite. He has authenticity and spontaneity down. He has a cheesy side with his high voices accents and poetic rants. He does tone it down around his male friends in the show which makes it much better and more realistic. Girls love cheesy little things for better or worse.

[Travesty]

I think I realized after watching a little more Steve McQueen what he has that other characters with Game don't.

He has an unwavering intensity that often only goes up in the face of adversaries and authority figures. He has a cool disdain for authority figures in a lot of clips. He has strong unbroken eye contact at first when he meets someone. Once it is his turn to talk or react and his eye contact breaks at times that could easily be seen as putting himself above the other person. A much better version of an eye roll which is the girly form.

2:04 is a great example.

It isn't only a great way to deal with an authority figure you don't respect for good reasons, also a great way to handle shit tests. I think there is a thought process to always make things fun vibes for the girls. Turn her shit tests into entertainment for the both of you.

I think that intensity of stonewalling shit tests with that kind of authoritative confidence can bring you deeper with girls because they don't get an entertainment reward for shit-testing and also their respect grows for you as a man and not a personal clown.

I strongly believe when you hear a cat who is successful with women that doesn't even understand the meaning of a shit test in any kind of terms or language because in their mind it has never happened to them because they don't let it happen to them.

I would bet every dollar those guys act with a higher intensity and use that intensity well by bending and never breaking the girl that is acting out. Girls are built to want and handle a lot more male intensity than men are raised to believe. Look at the TV show COPS or just read about pimps.

More intensity is less headaches. As I try to grow in this area myself I think you need to have a passion for your missions in life to keep this positive kind of intensity steady. Having to wants things out of life so badly don't even receive petty speed bumps. It is just too unimportant to hit your radar. Your intensity is your shit testing and life bulldozer to push your frame over everything in your environment. It takes energy to stay on this level. Clowning is a whole different kind of energy and thought process.

[Travesty]

I just thought about putting Han Solo up here. I watched his best scenes.

He loses he cool easily and gets into petty back and forth tease-insults with Princess Lea.

He has some Game in deflecting shit tests.

Ultimately his ego is too big, gets hurt too easily, and he lets that control too many of his actions instead of controlling himself and extending that to the environment around him.

I wish we could see Chewbacca's Game with Wookie women. Something tells me he is a true player that has a body temperature of 0 C. He also would always have the best hair and voice in the room.

[Travesty]

(06-25-2016 06:11 PM)Laner Wrote:  

Neil Caffrey is slick. Also one of my favorite shows ever. Just plain old good fun heist shows, lays off the drama for the most part, and lets the plan be the centre.

I watched a few of his videos.

I really really try to not let the looks of a guy factor in my bias.

My verdict is the guy is a male 9, a dimepiece for women. Also the show dresses him well. He just has to roll out of bed at the base level and he'd be racking up 7's like shirts at the dry cleaners.

He has good social awareness and timing.

He falls into that same modern plastic bin with Gossip Girl billionare, Harvey Specter, and Christian Grey.

It is memorable he is a great looking guy. I don't see his character or his Game as stand out in anyway.

If I told a guy starting into Game on what makes a guy cool, I wouldn't pick this guy. If I told a guy this what you try to go for if you want to look great, then yes.

For example Don Draper (John Hamm who plays him) isn't nearly as male model looking although very handsome in his own right. Both dress impeccably.

Don Draper has massively more Game though in presence, frame, voice, facial expression, reactions. I still don't think Don Draper is cool though to younger women. To men yes. To aging women yes.

I like Game + Cool. That gets the most hot younger women. Either is great to have. Both is the top.

This Neil guy also has a bit of gay on him, like Neil Patrick Harris. Coincidence? I think not, case closed.

[Cattle Rustler]

(06-25-2016 06:11 PM)Laner Wrote:  

Cleaver Greene in Rake always makes me laugh.

Neil Caffrey is slick. Also one of my favorite shows ever. Just plain old good fun heist shows, lays off the drama for the most part, and lets the plan be the centre.

God I miss that show, it was legit and didn't have any cliches nor copied plots from other shows.

@Travesty: The guy who plays Neil is gay in real life, so that's where your hint of gayness is coming from .

[Robert Plant]

The Dylan clip reminded me that for game to be effective a girl usually has to show some initial attraction first. Most guys squander these opportunities by either getting too excited or too aloof. Dylan very effectively demonstratres how to straddle this line.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(06-27-2016 06:15 PM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

The Dylan clip reminded me that for game to be effective a girl usually has to show some initial attraction first. Most guys squander these opportunities by either getting too excited or too aloof. Dylan very effectively demonstratres how to straddle this line.

That's actually a really really fucking good food for thought especially when it comes to newbies entering the game. It's hard for them to say it out front that they're into a chick. They'll always deny it should it come to a forefront, and unless the chick makes the move for the kiss they'll always stagnate and fail.

I think that's the reason so many herb millennials have notch counts of 2 or 3, but more importantly the most important number 0. They herb it up and can't flat out put sex on her mind or at the very least the thought of fun(which equals sex). Or if they do they can't follow up on it.

[Adonis]

One of my all time favorites is Last of the Mohicans. Cora is pathetically pursued by the supplicating white knight Duncan while she longs for the attention of the rugged and aloof Hawkeye. While perhaps not intended to be a lesson on game the combination of the dichotomy of the two male leads, epic vistas, a stirring score, and brutal violence is as red pill as anything Ive seen in film.

[the high]

Clive Owen in Closer. I often come back to this scene to remind myself of what good game looks like.

[Laner]

(06-26-2016 11:48 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 06:11 PM)Laner Wrote:  

Neil Caffrey is slick. Also one of my favorite shows ever. Just plain old good fun heist shows, lays off the drama for the most part, and lets the plan be the centre.

I watched a few of his videos.

I really really try to not let the looks of a guy factor in my bias.

My verdict is the guy is a male 9, a dimepiece for women. Also the show dresses him well. He just has to roll out of bed at the base level and he'd be racking up 7's like shirts at the dry cleaners.

He has good social awareness and timing.

He falls into that same modern plastic bin with Gossip Girl billionare, Harvey Specter, and Christian Grey.

It is memorable he is a great looking guy. I don't see his character or his Game as stand out in anyway.

If I told a guy starting into Game on what makes a guy cool, I wouldn't pick this guy. If I told a guy this what you try to go for if you want to look great, then yes.

For example Don Draper (John Hamm who plays him) isn't nearly as male model looking although very handsome in his own right. Both dress impeccably.

Don Draper has massively more Game though in presence, frame, voice, facial expression, reactions. I still don't think Don Draper is cool though to younger women. To men yes. To aging women yes.

I like Game + Cool. That gets the most hot younger women. Either is great to have. Both is the top.

This Neil guy also has a bit of gay on him, like Neil Patrick Harris. Coincidence? I think not, case closed.

The show was more about the Game of life. He was always looking for angles, heists and ways to get his prize with the least amount of know resistance.

Classic game that can be transferred easily into real world pussy.

To tell a young guy to follow his character to get women would definitely be a mistake. But to let the kid look at life as one big chess board and to find the ways of least resistance when available, to lead your prey into your desired place, and to strike when opportunity presents itself is solid advice in any scenario.

He does come across as gay and pretty. But his style is on point, his love for the finer things in life are impressive, and having refined culture is admirable.

Other than that he is just a character.

[YossariansRight]

(06-24-2016 08:23 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

the Fonz was just archetypal badboy Alpha. Quintessential toughguy. Looked cool, acted cool; kind of guy who does what he wants and takes no bullshit. All other men fear him/look up to him and ladies want to get fucked by him.

90210 Guy was your basic Sensitive 90's guy. Soulful deep connection to a female coupled with soft boyish good looks. Tapping into female emotion and longing for romance. The opposite of the Fonz basically, but still effective game - though not sure how effective it is nowadays. Bad boys will always be timeless however.

Al Bundy was not exactly an "Alpha." He hated his life, and no one in his family or social circle respected him. He was the EveryAmericanMan. Living an unfulfilling life with a nagging wife and bratty kids and a dead end job he hates but needs to do to make ends meet. Regardless, still one of the best sitcoms to ever air on television.

I see your bids and raise you Jack Arnold:

One of the ultimate TV dads. He was stern. He was honest. He was fair. He went into the military, landed a good paying career after the service, married a peach of a woman who his CEO was jealous of as well as her wealthy highschool boyfriend.

I always saw Jack Arnold as being the best TV dad. He was no bullshit. He was scary, but only in a way that you didn't want to disappoint him or do wrong by him. No question he was an Alpha.

Jack Arnold. Yep. He was the dad I wish I had.

The saddest episode of a TV show ever for me was "The Wonder Years" finale when they announced his fate. Watched it with my mom and we were both crying.

[DJ-Matt]

I always thought George Peppard playing "Thomas Banacek" was pretty good.

Fairly obscure 70s series so there's not many good clips:

[chicane]

I remember Banacek. When a girl asked for a Harvey Wallbanger, his immediate response was "People actually drink those?"

[Dantes]

Some of the old school characters: Rhett Butler and Rick from Casablanca. Great examples on the importance of social status and how to maintain frame with shit tests. Both characters understood that they wouldn't be happy with the woman they loved and decided to walk (under difference circumstances ).

[Dantes]

Hank Moody doesn't take women seriously and has great use of teasing them like they are his little sisters. He has great use of humor and sarcasm. He keeps them unsure about his motives and they often make the first move on him. He lives and displays abundance mentality

[Travesty]

(06-29-2016 10:19 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

Rick from Casablanca. Great examples on the importance of social status and how to maintain frame with shit tests. Both characters understood that they wouldn't be happy with the woman they loved and decided to walk (under difference circumstances ).

Rick is a good example, I just think his mannerisms are now just too old and stern for present day. His voice is depressing. Going for that serious classic dignified style I think Connery's Bond is still the top in overall demeanor.

[Rocha]

Shaft's his name, Shaft's his game...

Another stud in Anthony Quinn, he had 13 children from 4 woman, his 3d wife divorced him when discovered that he had a child with his secretary, in 1997...he was already 82 years old.