[Feldeinsamkeit]

A few users on here have asserted that Germany is the closest country in Europe to the UK in terms of guys being thirsty. As I'll be moving over there in July to Leipzig, I'd be interested in hearing what the lay of the land is prior taking the plunge. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from any German guys on here who have experience with dating both German and British women.

Also, do you see as many mismatched couples in Germany these days, where the guy is decent-looking/in-shape walking around with a lardass, like you do here in the UK? And is there an arms race amongst guys hitting the gym there to get jacket so that they don't have to settle for a fattie?

[kirdiesel]

(06-06-2016 07:45 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

A few users on here have asserted that Germany is the closest country in Europe to the UK in terms of guys being thirsty. As I'll be moving over there in July to Leipzig, I'd be interested in hearing what the lay of the land is prior taking the plunge. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from any German guys on here who have experience with dating both German and British women.

Also, do you see as many mismatched couples in Germany these days, where the guy is decent-looking/in-shape walking around with a lardass, like you do here in the UK? And is there an arms race amongst guys hitting the gym there to get jacket so that they don't have to settle for a fattie?

I am not German but have been living here for quite sometime and I say the couples are matched pretty well.... I really havent noticed ugly/nerdy guys with hot girls around here... Usually the numbers "add up" or the girl is slightly better looking than the guy.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(06-06-2016 08:38 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 07:45 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

A few users on here have asserted that Germany is the closest country in Europe to the UK in terms of guys being thirsty. As I'll be moving over there in July to Leipzig, I'd be interested in hearing what the lay of the land is prior taking the plunge. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from any German guys on here who have experience with dating both German and British women.

Also, do you see as many mismatched couples in Germany these days, where the guy is decent-looking/in-shape walking around with a lardass, like you do here in the UK? And is there an arms race amongst guys hitting the gym there to get jacket so that they don't have to settle for a fattie?

I am not German but have been living here for quite sometime and I say the couples are matched pretty well.... I really havent noticed ugly/nerdy guys with hot girls around here... Usually the numbers "add up" or the girl is slightly better looking than the guy.

Cheers for that. Regarding mismatched couples, I was wondering more about whether there are many good-looking guys/shitty-looking girlfriend pairings to be seen on the streets, just as we have in the UK.

Whereabouts in Germany are you living at the moment, if you don't mind my asking?

[churros]

Have to disagree. German men are great genetic stock, but their women are unattractive, stocky and masculine. More than perhaps any other European country, the men are too meek to realise their other opportunities, so tend to keep warpigs.

Your best bet is foreign girls. They are relatively abundant, and you won't have any competition from a game perspective. German 6s behave like 9s, it's really incredible. And the mentality of their men only perpetuates that.

[SoliloquyOfChaos]

I was in Germany in May, I will write a datasheet about it but I can say that yes, the mismatch in couples was horrific, even my gf was shocked and she was the first to react about the amount of decent guys stuck with sloppy girls, warpigs, hipster freaks and other short-haircuts. German men are genetically well endowed, the Gaussian is much more spreaded regarding girls assets...

I don't think that it leads to the conclusion that the thirst peaks at stratospheric levels though.

[rudebwoy]

Dude, really!

You back with this thirst nonsense.

Maybe worry about yourself, first and foremost.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(06-06-2016 11:27 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Dude, really!

You back with this thirst nonsense.

Maybe worry about yourself, first and foremost.

The location is the biggest factor in determining one's dating success these days, in my experience, rather than any individual shortcomings.

[rudebwoy]

How is thirst relevant to you?

Men are thirsty where I live and yes I see odd pairings. It doesn't bother me, I know what kind of woman I want.

If I were to move to Germany, I am sure I would find German girls that would suit my tastes. If not there are girls from many other countries living there that would appeal to me, namely Eastern European girls.

Change your mindset, then maybe things will change for you.

You can meet girls in unconventional places!

[Travesty]

^ Oh God give up the Toronto Stockholm syndrome, it is such an old show pony for you and so blatant.

Location affects dating immensely.

Get out of here with that bullshit and keep it at the Toronto meet ups to make yourselves feel better.

[rudebwoy]

So if Location affects dating, why not just move to a place that suits your needs.

Why come on here and ask about thirst of guys in certain cities or countries?
How does crying about it help the situation?

I will ignore the infantile comments.

[Akula]

(06-06-2016 10:15 AM)churros Wrote:  

Have to disagree. German men are great genetic stock, but their women are unattractive, stocky and masculine. More than perhaps any other European country, the men are too meek to realise their other opportunities, so tend to keep warpigs.

This I agree with. I've been to Germany a lot and I'm always amazed at how many times I see a fit, good looking dude (no homo) with some fattie, or some woman 5-10+ years older than him.

Anecdotally I know a wealthy 40-year old ex-work colleague who wifed up a 43-year old maybe 6 with 2 kids and is happy as a clam bc she's somewhat in shape (and he finally could have a kid). Another guy I know married up a total war pig he knocked up - she was older than him too.

In social circles from what I've seen their women can tend to be overly masculine and boss them around a bit. One guy I know (decent job, decent looking) was actively getting cheated on by his wife apparently and just took it and kowtowed to her bc they had an apartment and kid together. Not sure how bad German divorce laws are but I'd bet they aren't male-friendly.

I think it ends up being Simp City for a lot of these guys bc the # of wholesome, nice, traditional, non-slutty marriageable women there is so low (like in the Anglosphere). The native-born replacement rate is something like 1.3 so there is a massive amount of YOLO/"I'm a strong independent woman" groupthink in Germany that's completely supported by the state media.

That said, I still think the average German girl is less obese than the average US or UK girl...but that's not saying much these days.

[zatara]

(06-06-2016 11:30 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

The location is the biggest factor in determining one's dating success these days, in my experience, rather than any individual shortcomings.

This is completely incorrect. The biggest factor(s) in determining one's dating success is one's own looks and game. A man with good lucks, good game, or both, will get laid anywhere in the world. Location just effects the quality of the women you get, bumping them +/- 2points.

You've got loads of threads about pretty much this exact topic. You need to stop blaming your location for your lack of success with women. It's a cop-out. Instead, work on improving your inner and outer game. If you can't get laid regularly in your current city with even '5's, you won't be getting laid in any other city regularly either.

[scrambled]

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How is thirst relevant to you?

How is the number and quality of fish relevant to the fisherman?

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Men are thirsty where I live and yes I see odd pairings. It doesn't bother me, I know what kind of woman I want.

Non-sequitur.

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If I were to move to Germany, I am sure I would find German girls that would suit my tastes. If not there are girls from many other countries living there that would appeal to me, namely Eastern European girls.

In other words, the local stock of women are both low quality but have inflated ego--the two things go together, as spoiled women can be unfeminine due to lack of competition from other women, as well as feminism, socialism, undercutting the value of individual men.

Dating Eastern European girls in the west is the same (though inverted) strategy as us leaving for the east; so you refute your position by admitting the solution is to in-source feminine beauty! That is just an easier (and therefore less effective strategy) than travelling abroad.

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Change your mindset, then maybe things will change for you.

That is Disney-movie-advice since kids can't change their environment, but adults can. The 'confidence myth' addresses only our psychology, and ignores both biology and the environment we live in. It is insanely arrogant to think that our mindset can change outside reality; on the contrary, we have to adapt and 'game' the outside world to be successful.

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You can meet girls in unconventional places!

Vagueness of your term makes it not very useful. But wait, I thought it was about willpower/confidence/mindset/animal spirits? Why must we search in "unconventional" (but still domestic) places?

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The biggest factor(s) in determining one's dating success is one's own looks and game. A man with good lucks, good game, or both, will get laid anywhere in the world.

Problem is that ignores the demand side of the curve; and there is a limit to the extent that we can improve our looks and game.

[rudebwoy]

Oh the circus is in town now.

Rather than dissect my post, what about giving solutions to the OP. Oh wise one!

If you have read some of his previous posts, which I assume you haven't. Then you will know he managed to secure a few dates with foreign women in the UK. So applying that same strategy may yield similar results in Germany.

Worrying about the thirst of other men isn't a healthy mindset, is it? To game women needs a certain amount of confidence, most men don't have the confidence to do a cold approach.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(06-06-2016 01:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Oh the circus is in town now.

Rather than dissect my post, what about giving solutions to the OP. Oh wise one!

If you have read some of his previous posts, which I assume you haven't. Then you will know he managed to secure a few dates with foreign women in the UK. So applying that same strategy may yield similar results in Germany.

Worrying about the thirst of other men isn't a healthy mindset, is it? To game women needs a certain amount of confidence, most men don't have the confidence to do a cold approach.

The reason I "worry" about the thirst is really to have a heads up on how competitive it's going to when I get there, i.e., to have an idea how much game is going to be required to get a result relative to where I'm at at the moment.

Rudebwoy, I have to disagree with your statement that the thirst is of no concern to guys looking to game women. First of all, all of my experiences abroad have taught me that a thirsty male demographic is a sign of a distressed market, in much the same way that the housing market is distressed if there are too many would-be buyers chasing far fewer properties, the result being overly inflated (read: women on an ego trip) - and often unaffordable (read: incel guys) - properties, many of which are substandard (read: shitty personalities as a consequence of women being spoiled for choice), I might add.

In such a dating environment, in order for a guy to be successful with women, he has to be so much higher on the SMV scale than he would in a more balanced dating market. In other words, women in the Anglosphere trade at a significant premium compared to the "price" of women even in most of Western Europe, hence the often reported complaint about women in Canada, the US and UK acting like they are royalty. One way of recognizing this is to observe what happens to an Anglo woman when she travels to Asia and observes how she no longer has anywhere near the bargaining power in the SMP than she does back home. This is why there are so many reports on the internet in recent years penned by bitter Anglo women who start hating on expat men, as well as local men, after travelling to Thailand, Phillipines, China, et.c. and discovering that the boot is truly on the other foot when it comes to dating. It demonstrates clearly that the Anglosphere is to Anglo women what Thailand is to Western men - a giant sausagefest without comparison.

Given that it's so much easier to relocate to a dating market in equilibrium, internationally-speaking, than it is to either adapt to a dating environment badly out of whack for men or to change it, I find it hard to understand why you're so against the notion of travelling overseas to greener pastures. If you could buy a better quality of car at a fraction of the cost by travelling a few extra miles into a neighbouring country, you wouldn't make up bizarre justifications to the effect that one should slug it out and pay over the odds for a substandard model, now, just because it was on your doorstep? Or would you?

[Moma]

Feld, I totally feel where you and the thirst checkers are coming from. However, sometimes one finds that there is a danger in becoming comfortable with all these parameters as you find that some people have not really put in the necessary ground work.

For instance, I hear many guys saying American lizards don't put out and are difficult but have never left their state. I used to complain about Toronto but due to my nature being that of a mover, when I left Toronto, it was dead easy.

I think active datasheets in combination with realisation of the market asking rate will give an accurate depiction of what is going on and help each of us take accurate actions to optimise our yields.

Feel free to add or modify my observation.

[262]

OP, while location and local thirst does matter, it sounds like you don't have a choice about Leipzig, for now.

Also, you have asked this general question multiple times.

[crudeloyalist]

OP is straight trollin'. All the effort you waste trying to dissect and analyse and quantify thirst levels in the UK, Germany or Middlesborough or wherever you choose to reside could be used far more productively.

(06-06-2016 01:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Worrying about the thirst of other men isn't a healthy mindset.

^This. Why do you care about the mindset of strangers? Are you fearful of your perceived competition? Do you always blame others or your environment for circumstances that aren't favourable to you?

If you are moving to Germany because you have decided that Middlesborough is no place to meet women then I applaud your efforts, but I must ask, how will the results of your poll benefit you? If you learn that German guys are thirstier than us Brits then please tell me how you're going to adjust your game accordingly.

Here's my advice which I know you won't take:
- Ask the mods to lock this thread.
- Get on Tinder and and line up as many dates as possible before you arrive in Germany.
- Start a new thread called 'Feldeinsamkeit bangs Germany'.
- Post stories of all your approaches, rejections, bangs etc.

[zatara]

I'd add "go to the gym" and "shop for fashionable, fitted clothing" to that list too. Committing time to both of those activities would drastically improve the OP's market value in any country he finds himself in. Which would be rather more useful than spending hours on the internet philosophizing on the theoretical meta-thristiness of entire nationalities.

[rudebwoy]

(06-06-2016 03:15 PM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  

OP is straight trollin'. All the effort you waste trying to dissect and analyse and quantify thirst levels in the UK, Germany or Middlesborough or wherever you choose to reside could be used far more productively.

(06-06-2016 01:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Worrying about the thirst of other men isn't a healthy mindset.

^This. Why do you care about the mindset of strangers? Are you fearful of your perceived competition? Do you always blame others or your environment for circumstances that aren't favourable to you?

If you are moving to Germany because you have decided that Middlesborough is no place to meet women then I applaud your efforts, but I must ask, how will the results of your poll benefit you? If you learn that German guys are thirstier than us Brits then please tell me how you're going to adjust your game accordingly.

Here's my advice which I know you won't take:
- Ask the mods to lock this thread.
- Get on Tinder and and line up as many dates as possible before you arrive in Germany.
- Start a new thread called 'Feldeinsamkeit bangs Germany'.
- Post stories of all your approaches, rejections, bangs etc.

+1 from me mate.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(06-06-2016 03:53 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 03:15 PM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  

OP is straight trollin'. All the effort you waste trying to dissect and analyse and quantify thirst levels in the UK, Germany or Middlesborough or wherever you choose to reside could be used far more productively.

(06-06-2016 01:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Worrying about the thirst of other men isn't a healthy mindset.

^This. Why do you care about the mindset of strangers? Are you fearful of your perceived competition? Do you always blame others or your environment for circumstances that aren't favourable to you?

If you are moving to Germany because you have decided that Middlesborough is no place to meet women then I applaud your efforts, but I must ask, how will the results of your poll benefit you? If you learn that German guys are thirstier than us Brits then please tell me how you're going to adjust your game accordingly.

Here's my advice which I know you won't take:
- Ask the mods to lock this thread.
- Get on Tinder and and line up as many dates as possible before you arrive in Germany.
- Start a new thread called 'Feldeinsamkeit bangs Germany'.
- Post stories of all your approaches, rejections, bangs etc.

+1 from me mate.

Or could it be that you guys are in denial about something you'd rather not face up to full-on? Namely, the very questionable assumption, that game can always overcome any deficit a guy might have in the market place for women, is what I'm questioning here, as uncomfortable as it might be for some of you guys.

Let me put it like this: Imagine you were fishing and there were only a couple of fish - and poor quality ones at that - in the pond, but more than 50 fishermen trying to catch them. What guys like crudeloyalist and Rudebwoy are saying is analogous to somebody claiming that the anglers in this pond should keep trying to optimize their hooks, bait, et.c., despite the fact that doing so has had but marginal results overall, resulting in a nibble or two here or there, but no catch. When my mate John tells you, however, that there's another pond with abundant - and higher quality fish - you scoff at him, claiming that he should instead focus on getting his tackle and bait right in order to finally succeed in reeling in one of those manky fish in the first pond, however improbable a feat it amounts to be.

What I'm saying is that macro considerations, i.e. the quantity and quality of the fish in the pond, are just as important consideration - and often a much more important one - than the tools that one deploys in order to catch the fish.

Not only this, but I predict that it won't be too long in the future before the location becomes the main determinant for success with Anglosphere women, once the hypergamy bar has risen to a point that most guys can't clear it, however convincing their their performing seal routines may be.

[rudebwoy]

Dude these are the threads you have started. It is not hard to see that there is a pattern here. How about taking the advice CrudeLoyalist gave you? Who knows maybe the advice might work.

Poll: Thirstcheck: Germany versus the UK
Feldeinsamkeit

Reflections on UK women: Thirst deriving from restricted social access to women.
Feldeinsamkeit

Slovakia
Feldeinsamkeit

Staring at women as reportable offence in UK
Feldeinsamkeit

Thirstometer by country
Feldeinsamkeit

Poll: Busted Dudes Test Revisited
Feldeinsamkeit

Observations on Local versus Foreign Women
Feldeinsamkeit

Opened girl in store: unsure about signals, so bailed
Feldeinsamkeit

Poll: Prevalence of daygame in UK
Feldeinsamkeit

Daygame approach conversion rates
Feldeinsamkeit

Poll: Women in the Czech Republic versus Slovakia
Feldeinsamkeit

Life as a Man in the Anglosphere: Pussy on a pedestal
Feldeinsamkeit

Poll: Do guys date up in Czech Republic/Slovakia?
Feldeinsamkeit

Poll: Daygame: Is there a way to tell if a woman is single before opening her?
Feldeinsamkeit

Store game: Advice on good openers
Feldeinsamkeit

Poll: Can't decide: Czech Republic or Austria?

[Rocha]

Men are thirsty everywhere. The question you should ask is where are the best looking girls.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(06-06-2016 04:34 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Men are thirsty everywhere. The question you should ask is where are the best looking girls.

No, my question was simply as it says on the tin: Are German guys thirstier than guys in the UK? My suspicion is no, they still aren't, but I had wanted the input of the community on here to confirm or refute this.

[Rocha]

(06-06-2016 04:37 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:34 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Men are thirsty everywhere. The question you should ask is where are the best looking girls.

No, my question was simply as it says on the tin: Are German guys thirstier than guys in the UK? My suspicion is no, they still aren't, but I had wanted the input of the community on here to confirm or refute this.

Women smell thirstiness by miles. Thirstiness of others is an ally to a player