[BoiBoi]

(06-06-2016 04:09 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Let me put it like this: Imagine you were fishing and there were only a couple of fish - and poor quality ones at that - in the pond, but more than 50 fishermen trying to catch them.

I think the whole fish-metaphor is faulty because of "the pond's" size. Germany has 80+ millon inhabitants, 50% of which are female. Hence, unless you live in bumfuck-homotown in the middle of nothing, there is unlimited fish.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(06-06-2016 04:54 PM)BoiBoi Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:09 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Let me put it like this: Imagine you were fishing and there were only a couple of fish - and poor quality ones at that - in the pond, but more than 50 fishermen trying to catch them.

I think the whole fish-metaphor is faulty because of "the pond's" size. Germany has 80+ millon inhabitants, 50% of which are female. Hence, unless you live in bumfuck-homotown in the middle of nothing, there is unlimited fish.

Nothing fishy with my analogy at all, since it's still a question of how the aggregate forces of anglers and fish balance out, irrespective of the total number of fish in the pond.

[zatara]

(06-06-2016 04:09 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Let me put it like this: Imagine you were fishing and there were only a couple of fish - and poor quality ones at that - in the pond, but more than 50 fishermen trying to catch them. What guys like crudeloyalist and Rudebwoy are saying is analogous to somebody claiming that the anglers in this pond should keep trying to optimize their hooks, bait, et.c., despite the fact that doing so has had but marginal results overall, resulting in a nibble or two here or there, but no catch. When my mate John tells you, however, that there's another pond with abundant - and higher quality fish - you scoff at him, claiming that he should instead focus on getting his tackle and bait right in order to finally succeed in reeling in one of those manky fish in the first pond, however improbable a feat it amounts to be.

What I'm saying is that macro considerations, i.e. the quantity and quality of the fish in the pond, are just as important consideration - and often a much more important one - than the tools that one deploys in order to catch the fish.

I don't think anyone in any of your threads has argued that the UK is a good place for finding quality women on average. But the problem is there are 30million female 'fish' in the UK. If you can't catch any of them, even the low quality ones, then your chances of catching any quality fish in any other pond are low.

You need to upgrade your fishing capabilities to ensure you can catch fish in any pond before rushing from pond to pond desperately making excuses as to why you can't catch fish in any one pond.

Women are women everywhere in the world. They don't vary a huge amount. You'll find almost anywhere on the planet to land good looking ones you'll require one (or more) of game, looks, or money. I think you're going to move to Germany and find it extremely similar to the UK in terms of it being full of white western European women. What will you do then? Actually engage in some self-improvement, or run away in another escapist fantasy?

I think many posters in this thread (including myself) are being harsh with you because you seem to ask the same question repeatedly, without ever taking people's self-improvement advice on board.

[BoiBoi]

(06-06-2016 04:57 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:54 PM)BoiBoi Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:09 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Let me put it like this: Imagine you were fishing and there were only a couple of fish - and poor quality ones at that - in the pond, but more than 50 fishermen trying to catch them.

I think the whole fish-metaphor is faulty because of "the pond's" size. Germany has 80+ millon inhabitants, 50% of which are female. Hence, unless you live in bumfuck-homotown in the middle of nothing, there is unlimited fish.

Nothing fishy with my analogy at all, since it's still a question of how the aggregate forces of anglers and fish balance out, irrespective of the total number of fish in the pond.

I disagree, because unless we are talking very traditional societies here, I guess that the ratio betweem men who want to fuck and girls who want to get fucked is roughly the same everywhere.

Anyway, if you live in a big, cool city like Hamburg or Berlin, you'll be good.

[crudeloyalist]

This is next level trolling, I'll at least give you that. You should nominate yourself on the type of troll thread as the 'refuses to take advise' troll, or 'analytical, procrastinator' troll.

(06-06-2016 04:09 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Or could it be that you guys are in denial about something you'd rather not face up to full-on? Namely, the very questionable assumption, that game can always overcome any deficit a guy might have in the market place for women, is what I'm questioning here, as uncomfortable as it might be for some of you guys.

Let me put it like this: Imagine you were fishing and there were only a couple of fish - and poor quality ones at that - in the pond, but more than 50 fishermen trying to catch them. What guys like crudeloyalist and Rudebwoy are saying is analogous to somebody claiming that the anglers in this pond should keep trying to optimize their hooks, bait, et.c., despite the fact that doing so has had but marginal results overall, resulting in a nibble or two here or there, but no catch. When my mate John tells you, however, that there's another pond with abundant - and higher quality fish - you scoff at him, claiming that he should instead focus on getting his tackle and bait right in order to finally succeed in reeling in one of those manky fish in the first pond, however improbable a feat it amounts to be.

What I'm saying is that macro considerations, i.e. the quantity and quality of the fish in the pond, are just as important consideration - and often a much more important one - than the tools that one deploys in order to catch the fish.

Not only this, but I predict that it won't be too long in the future before the location becomes the main determinant for success with Anglosphere women, once the hypergamy bar has risen to a point that most guys can't clear it, however convincing their their performing seal routines may be.

This fish analogy is invalid and doesn't reflect my sentiments in this thread. I never said you should fish in a pond with bad fish. Read my previous post again. I specifically applauded you for making plans to leave the UK. I'm under no illusions as to how hard it is to meet and date a decent woman in the western world. That's why I and most of us are on this forum. What annoys me is your attitude and perspective. Several repped members have taken the time to give you sound advice and you choose to ignore it. Rudebwoy outlined all of the threads you have started each with similar themes. You go in circles discussing the same shit. Have you ever posted in the players lounge? How about the lifter's lounge? Do you even lift bro?

Currently, the poll reveals that British guys are more thirsty than German guys. I'll ask you again, how is this information going to benefit you?

[JWLZG]

Word #4 that Feld has coined: Thirstcheck.

Feld is redefining game semantic by semantic.


I saw this thread last night when you put it up. I didn't want to be an arsehole with my reply. The others have weighed in, so I don't see why I should do less.

You and your thirst Feld. It's a constant theme throughout your posts, the same issues repeat themselves, even when they've been answered time and again, or ignored. You get extremely combative when someone questions your worldview or even insinuates that the Anglosphere isn't all that bad. I remember offering you advice on certain Europe locations, even when it became apparent what sort of tune you were singing.

(06-06-2016 01:37 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Given that it's so much easier to relocate to a dating market in equilibrium, internationally-speaking, than it is to either adapt to a dating environment badly out of whack for men or to change it, I find it hard to understand why you're so against the notion of travelling overseas to greener pastures. If you could buy a better quality of car at a fraction of the cost by travelling a few extra miles into a neighbouring country, you wouldn't make up bizarre justifications to the effect that one should slug it out and pay over the odds for a substandard model, now, just because it was on your doorstep? Or would you?

Here Feld, this was your approach to what the others have said:



No-one is arguing against, or discouraging you from leaving for greener pastures. In previous threads you've made, we were supportive of it. Encouraging it.
What we're saying is that you need to stop treating "thirst" as the sine qua non of game. Game isn't some sort of binary schematic dependant on the men and women around you. Believe me when I tell you that in countries with zero thirst (Poland, the Baltics, Vietnam), I couldn't just show up and get laid with a snap of my fingers. I'm saying this as someone with a much larger understanding of my SMV vis-à-vis the next man.

I didn't give a toss about thirst in Germany, it wasnt even an issue in my mind; I approached, got into social circles, went on dates, got laid. You know, my reaction was the complete opposite: "German blokes don't approach in clubs??! Hallejulah! This is manna in heaven."

The other posters here have said that if you can't bang at home, you won't bang abroad. I realised how much a truism this was when I first started travelling independently. That location wasn't a sole determinant in your ability to get laid. A man who's a 1 in looks with zero game isn't going to find sex magically overseas (except maybe the Philippines, but let's ignore outliers shall we?).

I'd contend that you'd have to work around factors peculiar to the German culture even after your your game is on point. The coldness; the behaviour centred on cold logic, the aversion to kino, the insistence on equality. At least back home people engage in small talk and bother to deploy eye contact, however superficial.
Yes, you don't need to remind us: women in the "Anglosphere" are the worst in the world, and without exception cut from the same cloth. Never mind that we're referring to a vast geographic entity connected only by a common tongue. Mark Twain said that America and the Britain are two countries divided by the same language. The differences in socialising with people from all these countries are as distinct as night and day, but their women are magically alike, peas in a pod. I don't know why they all singularly behave so nastily towards you.

Another point is that there's a chance you have serious inner game issues to work on. You mention giving up on the gym a while back because you saw no tangible change. I'm probably more of an ectomorph than you are, and still I was patient enough to wait out those gains. I definitely notice a change in my mental state too.
You've also written numerous times about "not having the dough" to work on your escape plan. Now you have, and that's a good thing. But don't you reckon all those hours spent posting about "toxic Anglobitches" and "spoofing fake dating profiles for various global locations" could've better spent working on a second course of income?



I managed as a broke student in France and Germany enough to have fun. And I could've taken time working my arse off to save up even more (granted wages in Australia are high).

My recommendation is to give Leipzig a try. Learn a Slavic language as a backup plan. Have somewhere like Russia or Poland as a plan B. I don't know what skills you have, but private English tutoring pays very decently. You also speak German, that's a language also in demand there.

Lastly I think asking about advice on Germany on this forum is a double-edged sword. Too much German hate here; lots of members seem to think of German birds as obese, slutty, SJW leftist cunts"."

[JWLZG]

(06-06-2016 04:09 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Let me put it like this: Imagine you were fishing and there were only a couple of fish - and poor quality ones at that - in the pond, but more than 50 fishermen trying to catch them. What guys like crudeloyalist and Rudebwoy are saying is analogous to somebody claiming that the anglers in this pond should keep trying to optimize their hooks, bait, et.c., despite the fact that doing so has had but marginal results overall, resulting in a nibble or two here or there, but no catch. When my mate John tells you, however, that there's another pond with abundant - and higher quality fish - you scoff at him, claiming that he should instead focus on getting his tackle and bait right in order to finally succeed in reeling in one of those manky fish in the first pond, however improbable a feat it amounts to be.
What I'm saying is that macro considerations, i.e. the quantity and quality of the fish in the pond, are just as important consideration - and often a much more important one - than the tools that one deploys in order to catch the fish.

Again, what do the quality and quantity of fish have to do with thirst? Are the fish going to care less how long you've gone without a bite? Have you bothered to wonder where "thirst" came from in the first place?

Have you ever stopped to consider how men in parts of the world here the women supposedly aren't as vile and noxious as in the Anglosphere — namely South Asia and the Middle East — are far, far thirstier than the Anglosphere could ever hope to be?

[Robert Plant]

"The biggest factor(s) in determining one's dating success is one's own looks and game. A man with good lucks, good game, or both, will get laid anywhere in the world. Location just effects the quality of the women you get, bumping them +/- 2points."

As a guy who travels a lot, I 95% agree. In my hometown which has been taken over by tech companies, it is tougher and I have to work at it but when I want, I can get a new woman within a few days. When I travel virtually anywhere, it is way easier and quicker.

However, I am stuck in a range from 5.5- 8 (with an occasional makeout from a 9). This is true no matter where I go. It seems to me that my smv is determining the quality of the women I get more than anything else.

As a side note, nightgame and daygame usually yield higher smv girls for me.

[Comte De St. Germain]

^I'd much rather have someone ask that than worry about how thirsty other guys are. As long as there are attractive women(and I highly doubt you can knock out an entire country as not having any attractive women), you will be fine.

The hell does this male thirst business even relate to your own game? This coming from a guy who complains about it more than anyone as to the reason why our culture is messed up. All I see is it as is a pre-formulated excuse to hide your own failures.

Especially given your previous posting history. Either that or you're a troll.

The one thing I'm fairly certain I've learned in life is that you truly can't change the actions of others, but only your own. So why should you give two shits if Hans is being thirsty on Elsa's Instagram.

It sure if hell isn't going to affect me attempting to get into her pants.

Edit: Not to mention thirst in regards to male unattractiveness and failure is probably one of the worst new words to enter the English vernacular. I get a headache every time I hear it or see it.

[TigerTim]

after reading a few threads created from you its quite obvious that the moat thirsty guy of all is you.. and even more ready to move anywhere else whatever conditions for the solely reason of pussy.

Do us a favor and stay home. Anywhere else you will go to will turn into a thirstier place.

[TigerTim]

Brits are way thirstier because most of them go out with the solely intention of smash women... and if they dont they get really drunk, turn agressive and start fights in bars, clubs and streets as a result of being loaded up with frustration. On the other hand men in most other countries dont fo that. They'd finely bang a girl fiven the chance, but if they dont and enjoy themselves or have a good time with friends while going out its great.

And dude, you are product of the same culture, so whenever you go , you will only be skewing the ratios and turning the place even more thirsty. Anglo femalea are so stuck up because anglo men just care way too much about getting something from them, regardless of what they look lik. Your own attitude answers the whole question of the thread.

[262]

OP, another reason why you're getting flak is that guys perceive that you've been more of a taker than a giver to the forum.

[leanmeansexmachine]

I have a recommendaiton for you OP.

Why not rent out a penthouse for a month in Colombia, get some coke, whisky and cheap hookers. Party hard for one month.

You need to let go and get some real world experience with women.

There is no nirvana. Every place will have negatives and positives. If you are in Germany and things are still not going well, i would maybe recommend that you visit a psychiatrist. I think you might have some form of autism or asperger (i do not mean this in a bad way just trying to help).

[Malone]

The Poosy Paradise was IN YOU ALL ALONG, OP!

[Bushido]

Mate, we have PMed before.

You really need to make that move.

Please, no more threads about thirst or British girls. I am sick of them. So is everyone else.

Take some action for fuck's sake. Then write back and tell us what you learned.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(06-06-2016 08:43 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Word #4 that Feld has coined: Thirstcheck.

Feld is redefining game semantic by semantic.


I saw this thread last night when you put it up. I didn't want to be an arsehole with my reply. The others have weighed in, so I don't see why I should do less.

You and your thirst Feld. It's a constant theme throughout your posts, the same issues repeat themselves, even when they've been answered time and again, or ignored. You get extremely combative when someone questions your worldview or even insinuates that the Anglosphere isn't all that bad. I remember offering you advice on certain Europe locations, even when it became apparent what sort of tune you were singing.

(06-06-2016 01:37 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Given that it's so much easier to relocate to a dating market in equilibrium, internationally-speaking, than it is to either adapt to a dating environment badly out of whack for men or to change it, I find it hard to understand why you're so against the notion of travelling overseas to greener pastures. If you could buy a better quality of car at a fraction of the cost by travelling a few extra miles into a neighbouring country, you wouldn't make up bizarre justifications to the effect that one should slug it out and pay over the odds for a substandard model, now, just because it was on your doorstep? Or would you?

Here Feld, this was your approach to what the others have said:



No-one is arguing against, or discouraging you from leaving for greener pastures. In previous threads you've made, we were supportive of it. Encouraging it.
What we're saying is that you need to stop treating "thirst" as the [i]sine qua non of game[/i]. Game isn't some sort of binary schematic dependant on the men and women around you. Believe me when I tell you that in countries with zero thirst (Poland, the Baltics, Vietnam), I couldn't just show up and get laid with a snap of my fingers. I'm saying this as someone with a much larger understanding of my SMV vis-à-vis the next man.

I didn't give a toss about thirst in Germany, it wasnt even an issue in my mind; I approached, got into social circles, went on dates, got laid. You know, my reaction was the complete opposite: "German blokes don't approach in clubs??! Hallejulah! This is manna in heaven."

The other posters here have said that if you can't bang at home, you won't bang abroad. I realised how much a truism this was when I first started travelling independently. That location wasn't a sole determinant in your ability to get laid. A man who's a 1 in looks with zero game isn't going to find sex magically overseas (except maybe the Philippines, but let's ignore outliers shall we?).

I'd contend that you'd have to work around factors peculiar to the German culture even after your your game is on point. The coldness; the behaviour centred on cold logic, the aversion to kino, the insistence on equality. At least back home people engage in small talk and bother to deploy eye contact, however superficial.
Yes, you don't need to remind us: women in the "Anglosphere" are the worst in the world, and without exception cut from the same cloth. Never mind that we're referring to a vast geographic entity connected only by a common tongue. Mark Twain said that America and the Britain are two countries divided by the same language. The differences in socialising with people from all these countries are as distinct as night and day, but their women are magically alike, peas in a pod. I don't know why they all singularly behave so nastily towards you.

Another point is that there's a chance you have serious inner game issues to work on. You mention giving up on the gym a while back because you saw no tangible change. I'm probably more of an ectomorph than you are, and still I was patient enough to wait out those gains. I definitely notice a change in my mental state too.
You've also written numerous times about "not having the dough" to work on your escape plan. Now you have, and that's a good thing. But don't you reckon all those hours spent posting about "toxic Anglobitches" and "spoofing fake dating profiles for various global locations" could've better spent working on a second course of income?



I managed as a broke student in France and Germany enough to have fun. And I could've taken time working my arse off to save up even more (granted wages in Australia are high).

My recommendation is to give Leipzig a try. Learn a Slavic language as a backup plan. Have somewhere like Russia or Poland as a plan B. I don't know what skills you have, but private English tutoring pays very decently. You also speak German, that's a language also in demand there.

Lastly I think asking about advice on Germany on this forum is a double-edged sword. Too much German hate here; lots of members seem to think of German birds as obese, slutty, SJW leftist cunts"."

Firstly, thanks for actually taking the time to respond to my post with such a thorough analysis.

I never said that thirst was the sine qua non of game, but rather had in mind the following with my Thirstcheck: It would give a background reading of the overall level of difficulty of gaming women in that particular locality, all things being equal, to anybody that might have thought about venturing there. Sure, I know some smartass on here is probably going to point out that all things are never equal in game and that it is the job of game to tilt the SMP in a man's favour in any case, but I still think it's a useful metric, in much the same way as Roosh developed his Busted Dudes Test and Eye Contact Test as metrics which are designed to gauge how favourable the SMP is towards men in any given locality. Let me put it this way: If a man happens to have a heads up that a particular country, such as Italy or Turkey, suffers from stellar levels of thirst, I would seriously think twice about going there for the purpose of getting laid, especially if that guy was already having difficulties in his home country.

As for the maxim, if a guy can't get laid in his home country then he won't be able to get laid overseas, this is bullshit with knobs on. When I visited Germany in 2003 I got laid in the same week that I arrived after I hit up a club in town - I couldn't have imagined pulling off the same feat in the UK if my life depended on it. Furthermore, there are countless numbers of men who can testify to being able to get girlfriends with ease overseas that they could never pull in a million years back home in the Anglosphere. Hell, if location isn't such a major factor why has Roosh dedicated a whole section on this forum to foreign travel in that case? And if my memory serves me right on this, I remember reading how it was his profound disappointment with the ROI of game when applied to American women that prompted him to embark on his quest for Pussy Nirvana in the first place.

I did, however, think your suggestion to have a Plan B in case Leipzig turns out to disappoint a good one. My choice of Leipzig does, in fact, reflect that, since if Germany turns out to be a washout women-wise, then Prague won't be very far across the border.

Anyway, I've got 12 days still to go here in the UK but I will report back to you guys on how I find the city when I get there and have had chance to put the feelers out.

[semibaron]

I'm German and I know a lot of Americans.

Thirst: US >>> DE

As many people said, everything here is about social circle. At least for the German dudes. We never talk or invite random girls from the street.
Girls are open for approaching, but always open with something unsexual and at the end of the conversation ask for her phone number. Go on from here.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(06-19-2016 11:45 AM)semibaron Wrote:  

I'm German and I know a lot of Americans.

Thirst: US >>> DE

As many people said, everything here is about social circle. At least for the German dudes. We never talk or invite random girls from the street.
Girls are open for approaching, but always open with something unsexual and at the end of the conversation ask for her phone number. Go on from here.

Yes, I've heard that social circle is key in Germany in order to hook up with women. One of the ideas I've had, though, is running art gallery/bookshop/museum game, since at least with these there is a particular context that you can use as a situational reference point to get a conversation off the ground. Do you know if German guys also approach in these locations, as opposed to on the streets? Or would you say that opening women in these contexts would also likely get you the cold shoulder?

[TigerTim]

the cold approaching in street only happen in the anglosphere... will rarely happen anywhere else... at least soeaking about european/western nations.

[RichyB187]

Been to Germany twice Cologne and Stuttgart I have to say was shocked in Stuttgart at the amount of below average guys I saw with really hot girlfriends.

Although it appears odd I thought it was nice that girls are going for personality it seems over pure looks.

I went to Cologne in 2014 was an eyegasm every second but not sure what that place is like these days with migrant problems.

[Parzival]

We are not thirty in Germany, we have good beer.
Personal I would say, many guys are in better shape then a lot of the women. They are hot when in their 20s but have a strange attitude mostly. They have the strong Germanic stock that let them look less feminine. And they don't dress that good. In clubs you can see it often how guys surround a girl because it always feels like there is a lack of women.

[seniol]

The survey results are correct: british guys are far more thirstier.

I would say in Western Germany, in college towns, german girls are thirstier
and more DTF than german guys

[semibaron]

(06-20-2016 12:45 PM)seniol Wrote:  

The survey results are correct: british guys are far more thirstier.

I would say in Western Germany, in college towns, german girls are thirstier
and more DTF than german guys

Could be true. They are very open to all kind of adventures when drunk. However, when drunk, they are mostly disgusting...

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(06-19-2016 07:38 PM)RichyB187 Wrote:  

Been to Germany twice Cologne and Stuttgart I have to say was shocked in Stuttgart at the amount of below average guys I saw with really hot girlfriends.

Although it appears odd I thought it was nice that girls are going for personality it seems over pure looks.

I went to Cologne in 2014 was an eyegasm every second but not sure what that place is like these days with migrant problems.

When you said that those hot women were with some guys who were "below average", how did you mean, exactly? In terms of dress? Guys that were overweight? Not jacked? And what age bracket are we talking here?

[RichyB187]

(06-20-2016 02:10 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(06-19-2016 07:38 PM)RichyB187 Wrote:  

Been to Germany twice Cologne and Stuttgart I have to say was shocked in Stuttgart at the amount of below average guys I saw with really hot girlfriends.

Although it appears odd I thought it was nice that girls are going for personality it seems over pure looks.

I went to Cologne in 2014 was an eyegasm every second but not sure what that place is like these days with migrant problems.

When you said that those hot women were with some guys who were "below average", how did you mean, exactly? In terms of dress? Guys that were overweight? Not jacked? And what age bracket are we talking here?

In terms of looks compared to the girl I did see one overweight guy with a nice slim girl.

The guy was in his 30's and I would say the girl was mid 20's.

But I saw it alot and was not just me my friends were saying same thing "like how the hell is she with him" comments quite alot.