[Guitarman]

(05-31-2016 04:18 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

Its in the water supply. All the unprocessed estrogen from birth control pills not removed from waste water treatment plants pumped back into rivers and acquifers. 100 years ago BCPs did not exist.

Brita filters cure for gayness!

[rudebwoy]

One less guy to worry about!

[hydrogonian]

I used to know a guy who swore that he became bisexual from an early experience. I only know this because I used to know his little family well, before he fucked it up by inviting dudes into his marital bed. He also had other issues with cheating with women in a way that seemed like he wanted to get caught. He was also a compulsive liar and, I suspect, had some of the ubermensch issues that AB wrote about. The last part is just my instinct in regard to him, though.

[PowerGame]

I agree with the estrogen, and all the pseudo estrogen.. It's everywhere.

Combined with less good leaders in society and mind kontroll.many people just want to fit in. And some are gay to feel accepted. What's less accepted in today's society than being a white male who is not rich or famous?

These society loosers don't have brotherhoods like from other countries. They only drink or smoke joints together or play video games. Especially here in Germany.

And if I recall correctly I read a statistic that homosexuality is based on early childhood trauma, statistically significant more amounts of gays or lesbians admit to it than heterosexual people.

A little bit off topic : there are stories of secret programs with children. If they train a child they use trauma induced psychosis, amnesia to deprogram and program you again, for example the training of child's to get useful agents for later on.. I don't know if it happens on a big scale, though. And in Germany many "refugee" children are missing.. But I guess that's more for the pedophile elite.

And I don't like it if the word übermensch is used like that. It's created by Friedrich Nietzsche to describe the will of achieving a higher self (of course only the known and used phrase, the origin is in different languages)

[samsamsam]

Powergame, how many refugee children actually make it to Germany. My understanding it is single men of military age.

[Dalaran1991]

Sounds to me just like desperate male attention whoring

[JacksonRev]

This thread is gay

[AboveAverageJoe]

(06-01-2016 06:20 AM)JacksonRev Wrote:  

This thread is gay

You do realize we are in this thread right?

[Hades]

I'm with 2wycked on that one - the science of homosexuality is back and forth all the time and really not worth the effort to even follow along. Is it nature or nurture? Some combination? Any of those have plausible explanations and arguments based on various case studies and it shouldn't even be a concern of the neomasculine movement.

The leftists have muddied the waters of science for so long it's almost impossible to separate the derived facts from ideological biases and poorly designed applications of the scientific method.

Granted this story is perfectly relevant to the situations of plenty reading the forum.

Perhaps we can have a separate subforum purely for criticizing leftist faggotry and other tiresomely negative elements of the great ideological battle against cultural marxism and cuckery in order to keep the Everything Else forum light and breezy and fun.

[SlickyBoy]

(05-31-2016 04:04 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 03:28 PM)BlackHat Wrote:  

Call me a lib but after knowing Milo I realized I don't hate gays for being gay, but for being SJW's.
As long as the dude is not a SJW then I don't see a decline.

There were as many gays 100 years ago as there is now, the only difference is that they didn't come out of the closet. It's a genetic disease, as long as it doesn't turn into activism I'm cool with them.

I respectfully disagree. First, if homosexuality is genetic wouldn't it breed itself out of the gene pool due to homosexuals having less children than heteros? Wouldn't there also be a correlation between siblings and other family members having increased incidence of homosexuality? (there is not)

Homosexuality is almost definitely a result of congenital and early childhood chemical imbalances leading to increased estrogen levels. This is why 'gaydar' exists and you can often tell a gay man's face from a photo.

If it were genetic, it would not necessarily be bred out of the gene pool any more than people with Down syndrome would cease to exist by not reproducing. Downies rarely have kids, but we keep seeing them crop up - especially now, with so many women waiting till post-35 years old to have children.

Given the paucity of evidence to support the popular theory of genetics behind homosexuality, I am not convinced that it is genetic any more than ones native language is genetic. Both are products of upbringing and environment - we don't choose our native language like we choose what to have for breakfast, but neither is a genetic condition.

That said, if they ever did find some kind of genetic cause or scientific link visible under a microscope, etc. the LBGTQ crowd would be painting themselves into a corner. Think about it - they admit that growing up gay is horrible and they would never wish it upon anyone, who would choose it, etc. So what happens when something biological/genetic is identified, and soon thereafter comes a reliable testing method, and not long after that, a preventive measure?

Even most liberal parents in spite of their shitlib rhetoric do not want a gay child, and if given the choice at 2 weeks pregnant they learn their baby boy-to-be has a 75% chance or greater of being born a pole smoker, more than likely they will opt for abortion, even if they don't tell their friends. Or perhaps even before pregnancy there arises some kind of inoculation, test or other preventive measure. It would be the end for homosexuality just as it sort of already is for Down syndrome (abortion and having children earlier are routes to preventing down syndrome, but there is no inoculation from preventing it from ever occurring, per se.)

If a parent still magnanimously said "No, I want to have a gay child to show my support for the LBGT community," then twenty years later the gay child learns they could have prevented it, a lawsuit by the child against the parents for intentional infliction of emotional distress would not be out of the question.

Therefore, politically speaking, the LBGTQ crowd is better off keeping their condition ensconced in the murky world of psychology versus the concrete world of science. They keep screaming about a genetic link which deep down they know does not exist, but they should really reconsider this desire for proof.

[SlickyBoy]

(05-31-2016 10:43 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

I used to know a guy who swore that he became bisexual from an early experience. I only know this because I used to know his little family well, before he fucked it up by inviting dudes into his marital bed. He also had other issues with cheating with women in a way that seemed like he wanted to get caught. He was also a compulsive liar and, I suspect, had some of the ubermensch issues that AB wrote about. The last part is just my instinct in regard to him, though.

I think there is a lot to be said for conditioning - especially at an early age - into sexual habits. Reminds me about the TED talk about what porn does to your brain.

Of course, the liberals and fembots watching that talk nod in agreement over the effects of porn, forgetting that the mechanism of action could be exactly the same for what happens to a young person who has not yet fully developed their sexuality or is confused and then "realizes" they are homosexual.

I don't think this is the same thing as the middle aged guy I referred to coming out of the closet, which to me still resembles some kind of a social cop-out combined with a personality disorder.

It's no surprise why there is an inordinate attraction to young boys among many homosexuals. The Catholic church scandal laid bare that reality, as does the existence of NAMBLA, while there is no heterosexual equivalent organization pushing for taboo relationships with minors.

[JacksonRev]

(06-01-2016 07:01 AM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 06:20 AM)JacksonRev Wrote:  

This thread is gay

You do realize we are in this thread right?

Yes I do.

It's a developmental disorder, like this thread.

You have your onesies and twosies out of ten thousand that are truly born that way. Which is pretty standard for an evolutionary dead end mutation.

But, we're all here through millions of years of successful breeders. Which wouldn't happen if our family trees were full of faggots.

Because we're breeders, and not, say, asexual, gene swapping bacteria, we have separate sexes that are made from the same instructions. Just with a different switch here, and a different switch there.

It's when these switches get fucked up, that you end up with faggots. And some people are more susceptible to getting wrong switches turned, just as some people will get lung cancer earlier than others. And the earlier the switch is turned, the more development you have to reverse. Which is damn near impossible when it comes to child molestation, which is the point of gay marriage.

Sometimes these switches get turned from pollutants in the water supply increasing estrogen. Sometimes it's the lack of normal childhood development due to dad not being in the picture, like over half of kids now a days. Much of it is from porn and social atomization and isolation. Some of it's from a lack of sexual options. Most of it is a combination of these things.

The most important point is that it's not an orientation, it's a fetish. And it's detrimental to a well functioning society, and so people who commit public displays should be ostracized from society, whether it's a parade or someone coming out of the closet. There's only so much you can do about someone's bedroom, but public society is for behaviors that benefit society, not so that fags can be disruptive attention whores.

Most men don't bond with other men. Much of bonding is physical, it's just that physical bonding among men is due to physical competition, primarily through competitive team sports. And also from fighting and corporal punishment. This is how a man learns hierarchies, and how he understands his place, as a man, in it.

Male physical contact is not sexual, however, when you raise a society of pussies because spanking is bad, and playing games on the playground is outlawed, then you get our current generation of tumblr cis bi pansies. Normal male development has been destroyed, and nothing male is celebrated, so even non sexual old men become faggots/trannies because they have nothing else.

[scorpion]

(06-01-2016 07:51 AM)JacksonRev Wrote:  

The most important point is that it's not an orientation, it's a fetish.

Bingo. This is what people need to understand. There is no such thing as being a homosexual in the sense of an innate identity, like being a man, or having black skin, or having Chinese ancestry. A very small number of men are born with highly feminine behavioral characteristics, which may include a greater or lesser amount of sexual attraction towards other men. But it need not necessarily. I think most of us probably know or have encountered men who give off a feminine or otherwise homosexual vibe but who have wives and children. Could they be on the down low? Maybe. But more likely they are just normal straight guys who just happen to be more feminine in their behavior.

Homosexuality is more properly understood as a sex cult. It's something that men are initiated into, a subculture, a secret society of sorts. This is why homosexuals are drawn to molesting young boys, and why so many victims of molestation later are drawn toward homosexuality. Molestation and sexual deviance are the primary methods by which the sex cult of homosexuality spreads. Without being exposed to homosexuality, very few men would wake up one day and decide that the natural thing for them to do would be to start sucking dicks.

Think about it like this. If, for whatever reason, there was a widespread subculture of men who found sexual pleasure in jerking off while balancing eggs on their heads, how would it spread? Balancing an egg on your head while masturbating is not the sort of activity that you are naturally drawn toward. It's not even something you would know about unless you were exposed to it. It's the exact same thing with homosexuality. This is why society has historically shunned homosexuals and regarded homosexuality as something to be kept entirely out of the public discourse. Simply recognizing it as an "option" is giving it exposure and legitimacy in the minds of the impressionable youth. You can't be attracted to something you've never heard of or thought about. But if you've been exposed to something, especially directly during youth in the case of molestation, then it's very easy for sexual fetishes to emerge due to the way our brains work. There are millions of "gay" guys walking around today who would be straight as an arrow if they had been born a few hundred years ago with the exact same DNA.

[EDantes]

Still don't believe homosexuality is something set from birth.

One time I heard a story from someone about a friend of his who was middle-aged, overweight, balding and couldn't get a date with a woman. Then he decided to "go gay" because could get sex whenever he wanted.

[SlickyBoy]

(05-31-2016 08:23 PM)Guitarman Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 04:18 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

Its in the water supply. All the unprocessed estrogen from birth control pills not removed from waste water treatment plants pumped back into rivers and acquifers. 100 years ago BCPs did not exist.

Brita filters cure for gayness!

You know, there might be something to this. Have a look at some of the side effects in plastics.

Consider how much food has been kept in plastic containers, re-heated in microwaves, served in fast food shit-shops posing as restaurants. Hell, if an environmentalist left-leaning web site is willing to suggest "Changes in gender-specific behavior, and abnormal sexual behavior" as possible side effects without couching it in some progressive garbage excuse lingo, they could be on to something.

[SlickyBoy]

(05-31-2016 05:39 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(1) Did anyone see a recent video of Will Smith's children talking about gender fluidity? The language they were using in talking to their audience - "You're too smart to let anyone else decide for you..." - is a classic adult predator's voice , i.e. "You're much smarter / more grown up / advanced than people your age - so you shouldn't listen to older people telling you what is right or wrong."

Either the script was written for them by Sexual Predators, or those children have been preyed upon and are mirroring the behaviour and continuing the cycle of abuse by becoming predators themselves. Be very wary of letting them influence your kids, if you have them.

This makes me think of about a month ago when a friend's wife told me of a time she played LIFE (the board game) with her 11 year old son. At one point in that game, the players have to get married. The game was created in the 1960s, so of course there was not even a thought given to gay marriage, let alone rules in the book about selecting partners. Nevertheless, this mother told her 11 year old son when he got to that stage of the game: "You can choose a boy or a girl to get married to - it's totally up to you. Either choice is just fine." To which the (neo-red pill) kid replied: "But mom, I'm not gay!" ...God bless the little guy.

So there you have it - in modern America we have mothers using the language of child predators to encourage or at the very least soften up the idea of their OWN CHILD becoming a homosexual. Why not help him set up a grindr account when he turns 18 too?

......sometimes I think the Muslims can't get here fast enough.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(06-01-2016 04:57 PM)EDantes Wrote:  

Still don't believe homosexuality is something set from birth.

One time I heard a story from someone about a friend of his who was middle-aged, overweight, balding and couldn't get a date with a woman. Then he decided to "go gay" because could get sex whenever he wanted.

WTF?!?!

Look, I'm willing to believe there is some choice in the matter, but how the hell is that possible? I can't even stand to be touched casually by a guy...even thinking about it now weirds me out. Uggggh. I could not IMAGINE "going gay" even if there was a threat of prison violence.

Aren't there studies about this? I remember reading about how they wired men up and showed them different types of porn. The straight guys got excited for ONLY women, the gay men got turned on for only men -- and women got turned on by all sorts of weird shit, like animals screwing.

Does anyone have a link to the article on that study? I asked this before and someone came through. Should have saved the link.

Anyway, getting back to my main point, I recently told a story on here about almost getting fired from a newspaper job when I was 24. It was because some guy came up behind me and put his hands on my shoulders to move me out of the way -- and I instinctively (and violently) pushed him away and started a fight.

I don't see how I could go from that innate instinct to suddenly being comfortable touching a man. And I don't think this was socialized, either. I have memories of not wanting to be touched by boys in first grade.

(That said, I have vivid memories of checking out the MASSIVE boobs of this very hot, very well-endowed blonde primary school teacher, Ms. Goldstein. So that too had to be inborn. Nobody had to tell 6-year-old me to marvel at that incredible cleavage. I was somehow obsessively drawn to those sweater puppies. Decades later, she's pretty much the only teacher I remember and that's why. But I digress...)

There has to be some predisposition to all this. Maybe you're not "born gay" but maybe it's like some of us have to potential to be gay and some don't -- the way only some of us have potential to be great artists or guitarists.

In that sense, I don't think I could ever be Eddie Van Halen, so to speak. Where are those studies?

[godzilla]

There is also a few gay guys who could fuck anything they wanted.

So its settled, we have no idea why people are gay.

[GranMarnier]

Just to chime in, I've never personally believed the whole "born gay" argument that everyone somehow trumpets but provides no evidence for.

Here is a link to a study that was done, and I'm sure there are more like it out there, however "the powers that be" won't be making this known.
You can download the study for free as a pdf file (or just ready the conclusion OR you can purchase a physical copy. Hope this helps make things clearer for some peeps.

My Genes Made Me Do It

http://www.hollanddavis.com/?p=3647

[Scoundrel]

(07-25-2016 11:03 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I could not IMAGINE "going gay" even if there was a threat of prison violence.

I swear to god, there are guys who could eat a turd sandwich, and when you express revulsion upon hearing about it, would respond: "What's the big deal, man? I got really hungry."

I suspect this "going gay" thing involves a similar intersection of desperation and low standards.

[Cr33pin]

(07-25-2016 11:03 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

WTF?!?!

Look, I'm willing to believe there is some choice in the matter, but how the hell is that possible? I can't even stand to be touched casually by a guy...even thinking about it now weirds me out. Uggggh. I could not IMAGINE "going gay" even if there was a threat of prison violence.





recently told a story on here about almost getting fired from a newspaper job when I was 24. It was because some guy came up behind me and put his hands on my shoulders to move me out of the way -- and I instinctively (and violently) pushed him away and started a fight.

I don't see how I could go from that innate instinct to suddenly being comfortable touching a man. And I don't think this was socialized, either. I have memories of not wanting to be touched by boys in first grade.

Not trying to "stir the pot" as I value everything you bring to the forum and I'm sure you have strong wrist and like women
However I feel like this a unhealthy reaction to being in contact with a man. Why would you feel so strange when in contact with a man? I don't think normal guys gay or straight freak out when another man puts a hand on their shoulder....
I do Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu where I am rolling around in all kinds of strange positions with other men and I'm not freaking out an feeling weird an hoping I'm not getting gay from it.

I feel like if someone is 100% sure and ok with their sexuality the thought of a man putting his hand on their should would cause this discomfort....
(not specifically referring to you, but your post sparked this train of thought)

[Aurini]

JacksonRev and Scorpion have it right.

The problem with the approach most people take to the question - "Is homosexuality environmental or genetic?" - is that it's monolithic. It assumes an either/or, it assumes that there's only one reason for homosexuality, and it ignores free will.

Parzival asked "If it's not inherent, then why would you do it in places it was banned?" I would respond with another question: why did Alan Turing risk his career, his social standing, and ultimately choose to end his own life, for a fling with a 16 year old boy, when he could have waited two more years and done things legally?

Is there really that much difference between a 16 year old and an 18 year old? Heck, there are some pretty 16 year old girls out there, but even though that's legal in a lot of places, most straight men stay the hell away for the obvious reasons.

Certainly some men are born more obviously masculine than others, but I reject the use of the word "feminine" for the latter - I think that's toxic. The dandy (Oscar Wilde, for instance) is a recognizable male archetype. One of the priests at my old church was a bit of a dandy, and these days some might mistake that for a "gay vibe", but I never sensed anything like that. He was fun and flirtatious, used female-style gossip for masculine purposes, and reminded me of several straight friends I've had over the years. He wasn't feminine - he was just a different archetype of masculine.

The word effeminate - as pointed out by Ann Barnhardt - doesn't mean feminine. Both men and women can behave effeminately, and even "butch" guys can be effeminate backstabbing traitors. An effeminate man lacks honour; an effeminate woman lacks loyalty.

As for the paths to homosexuality - some do it out of convenience, some out of seeking an identity, some out of childhood-regression to pre-pubescent sensualism and "girls are icky", and many do it out of the choice of pursuing a fetish. It is explicitly self destructive for them; "Look at me behaving badly in public, shame me, shame me!"

I consider it less of a scientific question than a moral question.

[Ibagemyoutagem]

(05-31-2016 03:37 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 03:28 PM)BlackHat Wrote:  

There were as many gays 100 years ago as there is now, the only difference is that they didn't come out of the closet.

You have some sort of sources for that information?

Anyway, this thing is becoming more and more common of men deciding they are gay at a later stage in life. One of my best friends' father came out just a few years ago. Devastated his mother and tore the whole family apart.

I myself can't even begin to theorize why this happens. I for one don't think homosexuality is any kind of predisposed genetic deal. I think it ranges from being trending to being latent childhood trauma manifesting itself into an alternative lifestyle. I'm not gay guru, but I've known plenty of 'mos in my life, one of them being a close friend of mine, and none of them came from stable households. I believe that speaks for something.

I've actually figured the opposite as the ones I know came from stable families. I thought it was because life was so easy in the first world country that they had a little to much free time to figure out they were gay vs third world countries, i doubt run into this problem because their so busy trying to survive and i think being heterosexual is very close to our biological nature as is survival.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(07-26-2016 07:15 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:03 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

WTF?!?!

Look, I'm willing to believe there is some choice in the matter, but how the hell is that possible? I can't even stand to be touched casually by a guy...even thinking about it now weirds me out. Uggggh. I could not IMAGINE "going gay" even if there was a threat of prison violence.





recently told a story on here about almost getting fired from a newspaper job when I was 24. It was because some guy came up behind me and put his hands on my shoulders to move me out of the way -- and I instinctively (and violently) pushed him away and started a fight.

I don't see how I could go from that innate instinct to suddenly being comfortable touching a man. And I don't think this was socialized, either. I have memories of not wanting to be touched by boys in first grade.

Not trying to "stir the pot" as I value everything you bring to the forum and I'm sure you have strong wrist and like women
However I feel like this a unhealthy reaction to being in contact with a man. Why would you feel so strange when in contact with a man? I don't think normal guys gay or straight freak out when another man puts a hand on their shoulder....
I do Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu where I am rolling around in all kinds of strange positions with other men and I'm not freaking out an feeling weird an hoping I'm not getting gay from it.

I feel like if someone is 100% sure and ok with their sexuality the thought of a man putting his hand on their should would cause this discomfort....
(not specifically referring to you, but your post sparked this train of thought)

First off, I'm not the first person to get angry with another man after being touched. Some of my friends in high school did this. I definitely saw my dad do it. There's even a scene in "Wall Street" where Charlie Sheen demands a bouncer get his hands off.

Second, it's not just men. I have issues when nasty-looking women touch me too. This also happened at work a few times. After one of them I actually had to go home and change my shirt because I couldn't shake her foul-smelling old lady perfume. I also get creeped out when kids touch me and have been meaning to tell my brother his kids are too "touchy." Not cool.

Look, some people aren't "touchy" people. I'm one of them. Unless I'm really into it, hands off. And by the way, I used to take tae kwon do classes as a teenager and had no problem with touching in a setting where it's part of program. I also have no problem with dentists or doctors, etc. But for me touching is weird when it's willy-nilly.

[Cr33pin]

Thanks for the reply... its exactly what I wanted. Just a more in depth answer or debate to the topic. To see or hear different views on the matter.