[Gyro]

Honestly I think I'm broken...I don't know what angle to fix it from.
I had a girl last night literally touching my muscles, telling me I'm hot to my face, grabbing my dick through my pants, and I still couldn't muster up the balls to make ANY sort of move. My lifestyle is absolutely amazing and I'm really good looking, but my game is in the shitter. I can't approach anybody without downing an unhealthy amount of shots ( I pretty much blackout every night I go out).....dude I don't even make moves when I'm drunk.

I hate my parents for raising me like this, no matter how hard I try it seems like I'm broken. It's horseshit because I do believe my dad deliberately raised me to exhibit timid, submissive behaviors so I would do his bidding that piece of shit...well that's not fucking happening.

I have fucking approach anxiety at whorehouses, I've only fucked escorts, only made out with escorts/hookers, and didn't start getting sexually active until I was 18. For the record, I've only been attractive for like 2 years btw (lost weight, gained ALOT of muscle, witty, smart, etc).....I get the iois, sometimes intense ones but honestly girls can only do so much, they need me to reciprocate and when I don't, well there's a chap right next to me who will.

Anybody have any ideas? I need help

[TravelChase]

Dude, I know how you feel I've been there.

First, what you got to do is work on yourself and on your inner game. Read some books, like Awaken the Giant Within, from Tony Robbins. This will really help you out. Then, try to fight against that submmiting behaviour step by step.
I'm pretty sure in few days you will be reborn. Also try to increase your testoterone level, you could use Tim Ferris method: http://www.anabolicmen.com/triple-your-t...m-ferriss/

Remember, the path of self-improvement is hard, but it pays off.

[Gyro]

Thanks for the help mate, I appreciate the advice..ill give tony Robbins a quick listen but I'm really skeptical b/c I'm already highly confident, successful in life for my age. I've read and listened to nearly every manosphere recommendation, my test levels are actually 5x that of the average man (I blast/cruise test) and honestly the nights where I get the ball rolling on game, my game (talking wise) is pretty good. It's the sexual reciprocation that's the problem, it's expressing my sexuality that's the problem...it's a deep rooted psychological problem and I'm looking for a way to systematically deal with it.

fuck this is a step-by-step process though, so I'll start small and start snowballing ( I still have intense anxiety in even fucking tinder, I have no problem opening but when the girl responds, I have too much anxiety to reply back...like what the fuck haha, it's almost comical).

[Comte De St. Germain]

Start small mate. You don't build up self confidence from out of nowhere so first things first talk to anyone and everyone in your day to day life.

-Old granny at Walmart talk to her
-Your head ass co worker talk to him
-That cool looking old dude at the coffee shop talk to him
-That 20 year old chick at Whole Foods in yoga pants strike up a conversation or dare I say it compliment her and be on your way

Start small and work your way up.

Best of luck

Comte

[Gyro]

Thanks for the advice but I am already exceptionally social haha, I got enough friends and have no problem initiating conversation with anyone.

I've attracted a ton of women, but when it comes to the "easy" part (i.e., escalating into sex or going in for the "move") I get intense anxiety and usually pull an Irish exit.

[WeekendCasanova]

(04-15-2016 10:16 AM)Gyro Wrote:  

I hate my parents for raising me like this, no matter how hard I try it seems like I'm broken. It's horseshit because I do believe my dad deliberately raised me to exhibit timid, submissive behaviors so I would do his bidding that piece of shit...well that's not fucking happening.

What I've learned over the years, and being in a similar situation (blaming parents), is that you'll never truly move on until you stop blaming your parents.

Your approach anxiety will always be there until you fix the underlying issue. You need to grow up. Be a man, recognize your faults, and fix them. You can only blame your parents for so long before it starts to become childish.

I don't mean to sound insensitive, but as someone who came from where you are, I know what it's like.

[Phoenix]

OP, try to do some deeper introspection, and report back here. Why do you think you have these feelings about sex?

(04-15-2016 11:38 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

What I've learned over the years, and being in a similar situation (blaming parents), is that you'll never truly move on until you stop blaming your parents.

I actually found the opposite in my case. I blamed myself for everything. It wasn't until I started accurately attributing blame that I was able to see myself in a positive light.

In either case, it's important to separate the past from the present and future. Whether your position is bad now because of yourself or others, where you will be in one year time is 100% up to you (presuming you're an adult).

[Gyro]

I'm past that point mate, I'm taking action, I've been approaching, I've gotten mentors. Let me reiterate, my approach anxiety is NOT the problem

it's escalation anxiety which is something the manosphere hasn't really tackled (rare problem). I'll get to the point where the girl is horny or reciprocating interest and I just Irish exit out of the situation.

I have grown up and I am independent now, but you would be a fool to think that while growing up I was 100% in control. I was extremely sexually repressed as a child, and this is due to my dad's selfish desires. He wanted me to fulfill his dream that he failed at (medical doctor) at whatever means possible and he KNEW he would have to mold me as a beta bitch...it fucking backfired in college though, because I'm now forging myself into a fucking AMAZING human being

he doesn't care for my success, he said he would take me out of his will and cut contact if I became an engineer, banker, entrepreneur,etc. hes leveraging his financial and emotional dominance over me for his own fucking weird obsession. (He was accepted to med school but a war broke out in his country that shut down his uni, ever since he's been OBSESSED with the profession)

[Rhyme or Reason]

I love how every newb with issues getting laid is always "really good looking"

[WeekendCasanova]

(04-15-2016 12:00 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

I love how every newb with issues getting laid is always "really good looking"

I was actually going to comment on this but refrained. Glad someone did.

[WeekendCasanova]

(04-15-2016 11:58 AM)Gyro Wrote:  

I have grown up and I am independent now, but you would be a fool to think that while growing up I was 100% in control. I was extremely sexually repressed as a child, and this is due to my dad's selfish desires. He wanted me to fulfill his dream that he failed at (medical doctor) at whatever means possible and he KNEW he would have to mold me as a beta bitch...it fucking backfired in college though, because I'm now forging myself into a fucking AMAZING human being

Your story isn't unique. What separates you from others who have gone through it and improved is that they realize that your past doesn't dictate your future. As I said - you can only blame them so long.

You're a man now; stop blaming daddy and become your own man. You can't say you've grown up and moved on if you're still going back to talking about your dad's influence on your life. The day that you no longer blame him, is the day you grow up and move on.

You're not a little flower. Millions of men have experienced what you have.

[Phoenix]

(04-15-2016 11:58 AM)Gyro Wrote:  

he doesn't care for my success, he said he would take me out of his will and cut contact if I became an engineer, banker, entrepreneur,etc. hes leveraging his financial and emotional dominance over me for his own fucking gain.

He's a psychopath. It is best to totally nullify him out of your life. Simply tell him:
"Carry out every single one of your threats, right now. I am a free man and my life is my own. There is no device that exists, verbal or otherwise, that will allow you another moment of ownership of me.".
Then cut him out completely. Make him something in your life that exists, but distantly over the horizon, and isn't seen, talked to, or heard from.

[WestIndianArchie]

Cut you out of his will?
I send my parents money.

You got parental issues to work on.

But in terms of your escalation problem,

It's ego. You're afraid of truly exposing yourself. You've got to get the courage to whip it out of if she's gone aggressive.

Not a lot of hacks for this one that I know of

WIA

[Gyro]

(04-15-2016 12:00 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

I love how every newb with issues getting laid is always "really good looking"

don't pop a choder haha, I understand the skepticism though, I've come across a bunch of average men on the net who get "mirror syndrome"..i'm definitely hot to girls though, i mean they tell me this to my face. I'm not claiming male model, just attractive IRL.

[Rhyme or Reason]

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I hate my parents for raising me like this, no matter how hard I try it seems like I'm broken. It's horseshit because I do believe my dad deliberately raised me to exhibit timid, submissive behaviors so I would do his bidding that piece of shit...well that's not fucking happening.

You and everyone else. You're situation isn't unique. Everyone's dad wanted them to be a good little blue pill beta provider for some fucking whore. Even if you were "victimized" in some way by your father, and conditioned to be a beta (like everyone else) you must understand that blaming him for your current state is antithetical to solving your problems. In other words accept some fucking responsibility.

As for escalation anxiety, I can't relate. As you said that's the easy part. Next time a girls grinding on you / grabbing your dick, just put your fucking mouth on her. Throw in a little hair pulling too. They love that shit.


EDIT: RE: shirtless pic...dude, take that shit down. Who the fuck puts up a shirtless pic on a men's forum to prove they're "good looking"? lol. And I was not insinuating that you were lying, just that it's always something noobs say. You have a lot to prove obviously.

[Gyro]

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You and everyone else. You're situation isn't unique. Everyone's dad wanted them to be a good little blue pill beta provider for some fucking whore. Even if you were "victimized" in some way by your father, and conditioned to be a beta (like everyone else) you must understand that blaming him for your current state is antithetical to solving your problems. In other words accept some fucking responsibility.

As for escalation anxiety, I can't relate. As you said that's the easy part. Next time a girls grinding on you / grabbing your dick, just put your fucking mouth on her. Throw in a little hair pulling too. They love that shit.

So everyone's dad threatened to cut them off emotionally and financially from contacting their family if they didn't pursue ONE SPECIFIC career? Even if I were to become a multimillion dollar tech entrepreneur, my dad has specifically told ME that he would cut me from the family if I weren't an MD.

Everyone's dad told their sons to stay away from girls, and to not talk to girls until they were in med school? Did everyone's dad berate their kid if they were seen talking to a girl at a young age?

I blame him 100%.

to fix this problem though, is by far up to me....

look I'm not trying to turn this into some internet battle. I understand where you come from and I honestly thank you for the advice you gave. I'm just still bitter about last night and projecting on the net haha.

[Drix]

hey man, i also had a hard life, some members of my close family died, my father abandont me, i used to be the typical nerd who gets the best grade, in my schedule of school, i studied everyday from 7 am to 7 pm. Teachers and my uncles pushed me to be an engineer, i chose Business and i didn´t care about people´s opinion.

Despite of that, i had happy moments, i don`t blame anyone for my past, just accept and live your present. Now everything depends of you, calm down, don`t focus too much in sex. Girls also want it, you say you are good looking and girls are atracted to you, then step by step, read books, try to enjoy the process. I didn,t have any social skills, now life is smiling more. good luck

[Rhyme or Reason]

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I blame him 100%.

Once again, waste of energy. If you stop focusing on this you'll be amazed at how much better you feel about yourself, and your outlook will improve.

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to fix this problem though, is by far up to me....

Now you're talking.

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So everyone's dad threatened to cut them off emotionally and financially from contacting their family if they didn't pursue ONE SPECIFIC career? Even if I were to become a multimillion dollar tech entrepreneur, my dad has specifically told ME that he would cut me from the family if I weren't an MD.

Everyone's dad told their sons to stay away from girls, and to not talk to girls until they were in med school? Did everyone's dad berate their kid if they were seen talking to a girl at a young age?

At least you had a father. How many guys on here weren't lucky enough to have had a dad who even stuck around? Let alone a fucking MD for a dad? You probably had it better than most.

As for the girls thing, my old man was the most blue of the blue pillers. His advice to me was pretty awful, though I somehow knew not to listen to him. Thank god. Do I hold it against him? No. He did the best he could given his experience and I'm grateful for everything my father provided me with growing up. Holding grudges (especially against family) is poison for your soul.

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look I'm not trying to turn this into some internet battle. I understand where you come from and I honestly thank you for the advice you gave. I'm just still bitter about last night and projecting on the net haha.

Nor am I, I'm merely trying to bring you back down to earth. Your problems are probably easily solvable if you would just stop looking to blame everyone else for your situation and take some responsibility. Your mindset is a feminine one.

[Dantes]

Stop describing yourself as broken and horseshit. The language we use to describe ourselves has a powerful impact in shaping how we act and are perceived in the world. Find other words to describe your predicament.

Your OP is incongruent. You are really good looking, have an amazing lifestyle, and attract intense IOIs from girls. Yet, you can't get laid because your father raised you to be a pussy. Something isn't adding up. I suspect you overestimate these IOIs and attraction level. I have seen this with people who have lost a lot of weight. Relative to their past presentation, they look much better but their perception of self is skewed.

[Comte De St. Germain]

^Can confirm I used to be the fat kid in elementary school so when I slimmed out growing up it gave me a lot of unwarranted self importance.

It's great for confidence but at the end of the day you bring up mentally that past stigma and get self conscious. The only thing he can do is as WIA suggested is be aggressive in the start. Your boner will outweigh past stigma.

OP(and be honest with me) are you a virgin?

[Gyro]

(04-15-2016 12:46 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

Stop describing yourself as broken and horseshit. The language we use to describe ourselves has a powerful impact in shaping how we act and are perceived in the world. Find other words to describe your predicament.

Your OP is incongruent. You are really good looking, have an amazing lifestyle, and attract intense IOIs from girls. Yet, you can't get laid because your father raised you to be a pussy. Something isn't adding up. I suspect your overestimate these IOIs and attraction level. I have seen this with people who have lost a lot of weight. Relative to their past presentation, they look much better but their perception of self is skewed.

My father TRIED raising me to be a beta pussy for his own incentive but when I turned 18 I did LSD and realized I was a complete faggot loser at that point in time.

THEN moving to college and out of my poisonous household...I started fucking making moves.

I lost weight, built a shit-ton of muscle, increased my social skills via improv classes and fraternity, took the most difficult college courses (chemical engineering), travelled to 4 continents (not Europe/Aussie), etc. and i'm only fucking 21.

Not to sound egotistical, but my lifestyle is completely off the tits.

[Gyro]

(04-15-2016 12:55 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

^Can confirm I used to be the fat kid in elementary school so when I slimmed out growing up it gave me a lot of unwarranted self importance.

It's great for confidence but at the end of the day you bring up mentally that past stigma and get self conscious. The only thing he can do is as WIA suggested is be aggressive in the start. Your boner will outweigh past stigma.

OP(and be honest with me) are you a virgin?

quasi-virgin, yes..I've fucked 2 escorts and 7 hookers.

[WeekendCasanova]

Something is clearly off then. You're a jacked, jet-setting model that can't get girls.

Are you missing a penis?

[Dantes]

(04-15-2016 12:56 PM)Gyro Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 12:46 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

Stop describing yourself as broken and horseshit. The language we use to describe ourselves has a powerful impact in shaping how we act and are perceived in the world. Find other words to describe your predicament.

Your OP is incongruent. You are really good looking, have an amazing lifestyle, and attract intense IOIs from girls. Yet, you can't get laid because your father raised you to be a pussy. Something isn't adding up. I suspect your overestimate these IOIs and attraction level. I have seen this with people who have lost a lot of weight. Relative to their past presentation, they look much better but their perception of self is skewed.

My father TRIED raising me to be a beta pussy for his own incentive but when I turned 18 I did LSD and realized I was a complete faggot loser at that point in time.

THEN moving to college and out of my poisonous household...I started fucking making moves.

I lost weight, built a shit-ton of muscle, increased my social skills via improv classes and fraternity, took the most difficult college courses (chemical engineering), travelled to 4 continents (not Europe/Aussie), etc. and i'm only fucking 21.

Not to sound egotistical, but my lifestyle is completely off the tits.

You have received some good advice here and and I am trying to keep this constructive. You illustrated my point again in the language you use to describe yourself, "faggot loser". I have never heard a heterosexual man describe himself this way.

In most cases, we know the answer to our problems but we don't want to accept the truth. If you are honest with yourself and move past your anger, your answers will come.

[Gyro]

(04-15-2016 01:04 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

Something is clearly off then. You're a jacked, jet-setting model that can't get girls.

Are you missing a penis?

"can't get girls" is not the problem, the problem is internal, something else....here let me describe in cliff notes on what happened last night so you get a better understanding of what I'm struggling with:

- bumped into a girl I take classes with at a club..she's hot and I DO find her attractive.

- once she gets a couple drinks in her, she starts feeling up my muscles and we start chatting..she repeatedly commented on how attractive I was. I was not reciprocating.

- we start grinding on the dancefloor (at HER initiation, NOT MINE)

- during this entire interaction I dared not talk about or bring up anything related to sex due to some weird anxiety

- she kept looking at me, waiting for me to initiate a make-out, but like some pussy bitch I didn't.


THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED EITHER...this has happened literally hundreds of times. I had girls sitting in my house sofa with just me in the room awkwardly waiting for me to make a move...BUT I NEVER end up doing so.

I embarrassed myself in front of my bros as well, they're were all telling me how "easy" she was going to be that night.....what a joke. I'm just angry at myself for this bullshit. FYI before anyone says how I might be a closet gay, i'm not.