Quote: (04-10-2016 07:16 PM)Iso Wrote:
Update:
Went out with the same wingman last night. There was some progress on my part, but quite a few setbacks.
About half of the sets were 1 minute blowouts. Which is expected. We had 3 sets that I remember that weren't blowouts.
Set 1:
2 college aged girls. Me and the wingman isolate our girls within 30 seconds. I'm chatting with my girl for about 5 minutes. My wingman ejected because he got rejected so I had to leave her. I felt I was little too formal and asked too many questions but she was engaged in the conversation.
Set 2:
My wingman approaches a 40 year old lady (Alcohol gives him weird standards). She liked him a lot even though she seemed shy because she was out of the game for a long time. I was walking towards him when her (40 year old) friend grabs me. I dance with her for about 10 minutes. She is really into me. She introduces me to her friends like I am a trophy. She buys me a beer. I was really aggressive with touching her. The conversation was short with her. She is visiting the area from the midwest. I danced with her more, this time grinding on her. I've always come off as too friendly so I wanted to be aggressive. I went for the kiss because I assumed that this was my only shot (I forgot to ask about her logistics). She pulls back and it was over from there. I'm not sure if she was married (didn't look at her finger to confirm). I'm thinking that I shouldn't have tried to kiss her when her friends are 5 feet away. It's possible that I ruined it by activating her Anti-slut defenses. It's also possible that she never had any intention of going farther with me.
Set 3:
Wingman and I go to a lightly traversed area of the bar. Wingman approaches girl. I look around and see her friend. I go towards her. She actually moves towards me and introduces herself. My wingman left after 5 minutes with his girl, but I was engaged with this girl because she was attached to the hip like the girls in Set 1. The conversation goes pretty well. She is 30 and recently got out of a divorce. She hadn't been to dance clubs in years so she seemed out of place here. I crack a few jokes and she laughs. Another one of her friends pulls her but 30 seconds later she comes back to me. Good sign. Conversation goes well but her friend pulls her again. This time I wait around 2 minutes but her friend still has her engaged. I leave and cut my losses.
Cliffs:
-Still need to work on sexualizing conversations
-Wingman and I successfully isolated 3 out of 3 times
-Need to work on conversation skills
-I'm not going for the makeout again if her friends are within 10 feet.
-I need to learn some cockblock avoidance game. It always seems like my best sets always get ruined by a cockblock female.
Set #1 - The "weirdness" will pass. You could have stayed in the set. What I don't see is a game plan!
Set #2 - Too aggressive, but that's okay. You're calibrating. So with an older chick in a younger crowd, semi-isolation/privacy is a must.
"Come with me for a smoke" EVEN IF YOU DON'T SMOKE.
Then get her outside, away from prying eyes.
Then you can go for the kiss. This way she can do it w/o too much loss of "respectability".
Also, commanding her to do something, moving her around - that's building your own skills, but moving the ball forward because a girl that's in to you, wants to comply with your wishes. (just a little at a time, until you start noticing subtle behavioral cues that tell you when to hit the nitrous oxide early)
Set #3 - When a girl goes out of her way to talk to you, that's one of two things
- she's looking for dick that night (player frame)
- she's looking at you like you're the man. (boyfriend frame)
1) So to ram her in that night, GET HER PHONE #.
2_ And then shoot her a text @ 2:10 am (we're just leaving the club, headed to the diner...what'd you end up getting into? With your peeps still?).
3) She'll say, "No I'm still with my girls" or "I'm headed home/I'm at home"
4) GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET LAID. The chick is divorced, she probably hasn't had baggage free cock in a minute!
So you say to her, "That's cool, you up for one last drink?"
DRINK IS CODE FOR SEX.
Let her say yes, or let her say no - but as George RR Martin would say, "You put her to the question".
Your wingman is a natural, but you see how he's just flailing around willy-nilly.
Game is about focus.
WIA