I'm actually amused that the guy's sig is "This user has committed suicide".
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Quote: (03-24-2016 07:53 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:
I'm actually amused that the guy's sig is "This user has committed suicide".
Yeah, a sign that the replies to this thread shivved his feelz.
A true psychopath would've simply not given a fuck. Or started a thread like this.
OP shows more signs of narcissism and histrionic behaviour than anything else - in essence, a drama queen.
Quote: (03-24-2016 07:53 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:
I'm actually amused that the guy's sig is "This user has committed suicide".
Not very amusing if it turned out to be true...but after reading the whole thread (can't believe I missed this, I saw the shitty thread title and ignored it at the time) I'm pretty sure that O.P (Yes you O.P. I know you're reading this you phaggotty phaggotty phaggot) has been refreshing this thread for the last 3 weeks waiting for this bump.
I missed this the first time around.
OP is obviously not a psychopath, and his diagnosis is precisely what I hate about the DSM V and modern psychology;* it's all symptoms, and no cause; no explanation of the internal mechanism. The thing about Cluster B/Type II personality disorders is that they will attempt to hide themselves; you can wind up with with a narcissist pretending to be a psychopath, or vice versa, or a borderline manifesting their disruptive sexuality by becoming a born again virgin.
Heck, most of the men on this forum could easily get diagnosed as narcissistic or psychopathic (or both, even though they're incompatible disorders) simply because the criteria are so vague; narcissists generally want you to believe that they're somebody like Donald Trump, and because many Psychologists are incompetent buffoons they'll think that makes Donald Trump a narcissist.
The hallmark of psychopathic behaviour is lack of valuation or affect, resulting in a pattern of behaviour which is constantly manipulative. Put simply, they place no valuation on anything they do; they have no goals. A Honda Civic and a Lamborghini are the same to them; neither gives them pleasure. They have the social tools to achieve goals - manipulation - but no goals to achieve.
So they manipulate. And manipulate. And they become good at it. So they manipulate until they "win" - and then they keep manipulating until they lose. Winning is never good enough for them - not in the sense that they're looking for a newer, better, bigger high - but that as soon as they win, they're bored again, so they look for something else to do. They'll build 90% of a sand castle on the beach, and once everyone around them acknowledges that they're the best at building sand castles, they'll then become the best at kicking over sand castles.
They're not so much people as they are malfunctioning software.
*I've been studying these topics for a long time, and while I don't have any formal qualifications, I am considering getting some; it might allow me to help others
OP is obviously not a psychopath, and his diagnosis is precisely what I hate about the DSM V and modern psychology;* it's all symptoms, and no cause; no explanation of the internal mechanism. The thing about Cluster B/Type II personality disorders is that they will attempt to hide themselves; you can wind up with with a narcissist pretending to be a psychopath, or vice versa, or a borderline manifesting their disruptive sexuality by becoming a born again virgin.
Heck, most of the men on this forum could easily get diagnosed as narcissistic or psychopathic (or both, even though they're incompatible disorders) simply because the criteria are so vague; narcissists generally want you to believe that they're somebody like Donald Trump, and because many Psychologists are incompetent buffoons they'll think that makes Donald Trump a narcissist.
The hallmark of psychopathic behaviour is lack of valuation or affect, resulting in a pattern of behaviour which is constantly manipulative. Put simply, they place no valuation on anything they do; they have no goals. A Honda Civic and a Lamborghini are the same to them; neither gives them pleasure. They have the social tools to achieve goals - manipulation - but no goals to achieve.
So they manipulate. And manipulate. And they become good at it. So they manipulate until they "win" - and then they keep manipulating until they lose. Winning is never good enough for them - not in the sense that they're looking for a newer, better, bigger high - but that as soon as they win, they're bored again, so they look for something else to do. They'll build 90% of a sand castle on the beach, and once everyone around them acknowledges that they're the best at building sand castles, they'll then become the best at kicking over sand castles.
They're not so much people as they are malfunctioning software.
*I've been studying these topics for a long time, and while I don't have any formal qualifications, I am considering getting some; it might allow me to help others
^ Did you read the rest of the thread and his rep sheet? Dude may or may not be a psycho, but he's clearly fucked in the head. Or maybe just a troll. I'm guessing aspergers.
Honestly OP, I would NOT buy into any of these online tests; they're more just for entertainment value - like Facebook "What My Little Pony Character are you quizzes"?
I looked at a test like this once and it was fucking ridiculous - for example, one of the questions that increased your 'psychopathy' score was answering that "You enjoy riding roller coasters" (because apparently this means you "like taking risks").
Also a lot of stuff which pop psychologists and lay people call "psychopathy" isn't even psychopathy to begin with; the friviolous objections to "game" are a great example, with some beta males and virgins calling it "manipulation" - while at the same time not thinking that trying to "be friends" with a girl or "buy stuff" for her to get laid isn't manipulation.
By the layman's definition of "psychopathy" or "manipulation", then 99.99% of people who work in industries like sales, advertizing, broadcasting, etc would be considered "psychopaths" even though a real psychiatriast would say this is bullshit.
I looked at a test like this once and it was fucking ridiculous - for example, one of the questions that increased your 'psychopathy' score was answering that "You enjoy riding roller coasters" (because apparently this means you "like taking risks").
Also a lot of stuff which pop psychologists and lay people call "psychopathy" isn't even psychopathy to begin with; the friviolous objections to "game" are a great example, with some beta males and virgins calling it "manipulation" - while at the same time not thinking that trying to "be friends" with a girl or "buy stuff" for her to get laid isn't manipulation.
By the layman's definition of "psychopathy" or "manipulation", then 99.99% of people who work in industries like sales, advertizing, broadcasting, etc would be considered "psychopaths" even though a real psychiatriast would say this is bullshit.
http://personality-testing.info/tests/SD3/
I took this and it scored me insanely on Machiavellinism, Psychpathy, and Narcissism. These tests are all bullshit. Either that or I'm extremely effective at manipulating everyone who has met me.![[Image: tard.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/new/tard.gif)
I took this and it scored me insanely on Machiavellinism, Psychpathy, and Narcissism. These tests are all bullshit. Either that or I'm extremely effective at manipulating everyone who has met me.
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Quote: (03-25-2016 08:51 AM)Aurini Wrote:
Heck, most of the men on this forum could easily get diagnosed as narcissistic or psychopathic (or both, even though they're incompatible disorders) simply because the criteria are so vague; narcissists generally want you to believe that they're somebody like Donald Trump, and because many Psychologists are incompetent buffoons they'll think that makes Donald Trump a narcissist.
Aurini,
Could you expand on this? Specifically what you mean in regard to the incompatibility of these disorders?
Very interested in your thoughts on the matter.
Quote: (03-24-2016 07:53 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:
I'm actually amused that the guy's sig is "This user has committed suicide".
I'm actually worried. He hasn't logged in almost 3 weeks and was clearly upset when the thread backfired. I also believe he's been building on the "functioning psychopath" persona for a while. The forum collectively bulldozed that beautiful caricature he had of himself.
Enough cause to push a mentally weak person over the edge.
I'll be messaging him to check if he's OK.
Quote: (03-25-2016 04:35 PM)Conscious Pirate Wrote:Not to answer for him but my basic understanding is that:
Quote: (03-25-2016 08:51 AM)Aurini Wrote:
Heck, most of the men on this forum could easily get diagnosed as narcissistic or psychopathic (or both, even though they're incompatible disorders) simply because the criteria are so vague; narcissists generally want you to believe that they're somebody like Donald Trump, and because many Psychologists are incompetent buffoons they'll think that makes Donald Trump a narcissist.
Aurini,
Could you expand on this? Specifically what you mean in regard to the incompatibility of these disorders?
Very interested in your thoughts on the matter.
Narcissism is passive; not caring about others but not intentionally exploiting them
Sociopathy is active; intentionally harming others for personal gain
Some people meet the criteria for both.
The OP though is pretty much BS; I heard that 'narcissism' was removed from the DSM as a diagnosible disorder, and I've only heard people being formally diagnosed as psychopaths if they've committed serious crimes.
Way back in the day I posted a series of videos on the topic; you can still find them if you search my youtube channel, but they're amateurish compared to the sort of content I put out now, so I've been planning to redo them in a more professional manner. Over the years I've received a lot of appreciative emails from people who experienced one of these monsters: the narcissist, the borderline, the psychopath, and the histrionic.
I've also had a few Psychology PhDs nod approvingly of the video (despite my rude statements about the industry) so I do believe I'm on to something.
My theory (that is, my explanation of the observable facts) is based upon the work of Freud, as well as the medieval humours. Essentially you can break people down into four basic categories, with two axis of relative behaviour: the extrovert/introvert axis (N/S), and the people-focussed/process-focussed axis (W/E) resulting in:
Sanguine------Choleric
Melancholic----Phlegmatic
Or, to put it into terms that most people will understand:
Raphael---------Leonardo
Michelangelo----Donatello
The Type II/Cluster B personality disorders are, essentially, brains without "Super Egos"; Either the Id or the Ego is in complete control, slaving the other and causing it to manifest false impressions of reality.
Raphael is an extrovert/people-focussed person. He gets bored easily, and seeks out new experiences. The Narcissist is a degenerate Raph; his Id has slaved the Ego to its will, so he lies constantly. The Id only understands emotion/narcissistic supply, so it will manufacture Egoist/Logical "truths" to support this form of attention.
Leonardo is extrovert/process-focussed. Raph comes up with an idea, Leo's the guy that's paranoid enough to make sure everything's organized. He's a natural manipulator; his Ego is dominant. The psychopath is the degenerate form of Leo (already covered this above).
Donatello is Intro/Process; he likes working with machines and systems, trusts somebody else to take care of the interpersonal dynamics. His degenerate form is the Histrionic; the eye of the storm, the only sane person in the room, who indirectly gossips to make everybody in their environment fight with one another, so that they look like the martyr - "I'm the glue that holds this crazy family together."
Mike is an introvert/people focussed (this is why he jokes all the time - he's HIDING behind the jokes because he's shy); his degenerate form is the introverted narcissist, the Borderline/BPD. He craves affect (primarily Id driven), but rather than demanding attention like the Narcissistic extrovert, he seeks out abuse - he demands it! He abuses sexuality, either being slutty if it's a woman, or being sexually gratuitous but chaste if he's a man (arousing women then denying them, discussing pornography in public, et cetera). The BPD seeks out indirect attention; they try and provoke attacks.
Goals come from the Super Ego - that thing that regulates the emotional with the analytic. In the case of the Cluster B Personality disorders there is no Super Ego, just two halves of a person without any soul attatched to it (at least, no soul that can be detected). The closest you'll ever get to seeing the soul of one of these people is a brief moment of limitless shame and rage - before a new, fake personality snaps into place, possibly a complete inversion of what the previous personality was...
Note; this is why BPD got the title. With the Narcissist, his new persona will be obvious bullshit: he'll go from being the "Best used car salesman in town!" to a "Motivational speaker who understands the plight of women!" or whatever. With the BPD - given that they're a 'victim' personality disorder - they will manifest an entirely new range of emotional responses and preferences, leading early researchers to suspect that it was a form of schizophrenia - it isn't.
A couple final notes:
Psychopathy is *not* anti-social personality disorder - aka gang bangers, rapists, and murderers, the people you'll typically hear referred to as psychos. ASPD is nothing but high-time preference, high testosterone, low empathy, and low intelligence: pick three out of four. Personally I wouldn't even call it a personality disorder, but just a natural part of human behaviour. The solution is simple: hit them with a stick.
Schizophrenia: with this I have more suspicions than evidence (one day maybe I can change that), but what it *usually* boils down to is suppressed/compartmentalized childhood abuse. The tragic thing about schizos is that they're actually incredibly moral people. Instead of revisiting their terrible childhoods onto their own children, they refuse - and the trauma finds a 'voice' inside of them, which yells threats and swear words.
You know that voice and/or memory you get every so often? You're walking down the street having a slap-dandy day, and suddenly - for no reason - you remember that time you farted in the middle of 3rd Grade home room and everyone laughed? "God, what an enormous faggot you are! Who are you thinking that you're Mister Cool? If people knew about what you were really like, they'd hate you."
Imagine that times 100 - 1000. This is the inverse of the Self Talk that Cernovich discusses in Gorilla Mindset.
Hope that was clear. Like I said, I plan to put this together into a thorough explanation in the near future. Understanding the mechanism is crucial.
And OP, if you're reading this - we were ALL douchebags when we were your age, take your licks and stick around.
I've also had a few Psychology PhDs nod approvingly of the video (despite my rude statements about the industry) so I do believe I'm on to something.
My theory (that is, my explanation of the observable facts) is based upon the work of Freud, as well as the medieval humours. Essentially you can break people down into four basic categories, with two axis of relative behaviour: the extrovert/introvert axis (N/S), and the people-focussed/process-focussed axis (W/E) resulting in:
Sanguine------Choleric
Melancholic----Phlegmatic
Or, to put it into terms that most people will understand:
Raphael---------Leonardo
Michelangelo----Donatello
The Type II/Cluster B personality disorders are, essentially, brains without "Super Egos"; Either the Id or the Ego is in complete control, slaving the other and causing it to manifest false impressions of reality.
Raphael is an extrovert/people-focussed person. He gets bored easily, and seeks out new experiences. The Narcissist is a degenerate Raph; his Id has slaved the Ego to its will, so he lies constantly. The Id only understands emotion/narcissistic supply, so it will manufacture Egoist/Logical "truths" to support this form of attention.
Leonardo is extrovert/process-focussed. Raph comes up with an idea, Leo's the guy that's paranoid enough to make sure everything's organized. He's a natural manipulator; his Ego is dominant. The psychopath is the degenerate form of Leo (already covered this above).
Donatello is Intro/Process; he likes working with machines and systems, trusts somebody else to take care of the interpersonal dynamics. His degenerate form is the Histrionic; the eye of the storm, the only sane person in the room, who indirectly gossips to make everybody in their environment fight with one another, so that they look like the martyr - "I'm the glue that holds this crazy family together."
Mike is an introvert/people focussed (this is why he jokes all the time - he's HIDING behind the jokes because he's shy); his degenerate form is the introverted narcissist, the Borderline/BPD. He craves affect (primarily Id driven), but rather than demanding attention like the Narcissistic extrovert, he seeks out abuse - he demands it! He abuses sexuality, either being slutty if it's a woman, or being sexually gratuitous but chaste if he's a man (arousing women then denying them, discussing pornography in public, et cetera). The BPD seeks out indirect attention; they try and provoke attacks.
Goals come from the Super Ego - that thing that regulates the emotional with the analytic. In the case of the Cluster B Personality disorders there is no Super Ego, just two halves of a person without any soul attatched to it (at least, no soul that can be detected). The closest you'll ever get to seeing the soul of one of these people is a brief moment of limitless shame and rage - before a new, fake personality snaps into place, possibly a complete inversion of what the previous personality was...
Note; this is why BPD got the title. With the Narcissist, his new persona will be obvious bullshit: he'll go from being the "Best used car salesman in town!" to a "Motivational speaker who understands the plight of women!" or whatever. With the BPD - given that they're a 'victim' personality disorder - they will manifest an entirely new range of emotional responses and preferences, leading early researchers to suspect that it was a form of schizophrenia - it isn't.
A couple final notes:
Psychopathy is *not* anti-social personality disorder - aka gang bangers, rapists, and murderers, the people you'll typically hear referred to as psychos. ASPD is nothing but high-time preference, high testosterone, low empathy, and low intelligence: pick three out of four. Personally I wouldn't even call it a personality disorder, but just a natural part of human behaviour. The solution is simple: hit them with a stick.
Schizophrenia: with this I have more suspicions than evidence (one day maybe I can change that), but what it *usually* boils down to is suppressed/compartmentalized childhood abuse. The tragic thing about schizos is that they're actually incredibly moral people. Instead of revisiting their terrible childhoods onto their own children, they refuse - and the trauma finds a 'voice' inside of them, which yells threats and swear words.
You know that voice and/or memory you get every so often? You're walking down the street having a slap-dandy day, and suddenly - for no reason - you remember that time you farted in the middle of 3rd Grade home room and everyone laughed? "God, what an enormous faggot you are! Who are you thinking that you're Mister Cool? If people knew about what you were really like, they'd hate you."
Imagine that times 100 - 1000. This is the inverse of the Self Talk that Cernovich discusses in Gorilla Mindset.
Hope that was clear. Like I said, I plan to put this together into a thorough explanation in the near future. Understanding the mechanism is crucial.
And OP, if you're reading this - we were ALL douchebags when we were your age, take your licks and stick around.
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Hope that was clear. Like I said, I plan to put this together into a thorough explanation in the near future. Understanding the mechanism is crucial.
Thank you for the articulation. I'm am understanding more now, however there is still much for me to learn here.
I really look forward to your future explanation Aurini.
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Way back in the day I posted a series of videos on the topic;
Allow me:
Aurini pretty much started the whole cluster B analysis "community" on youtube...and he doesn't even know it!
His analysis on these topics is great. Most of the other cluster B videos uploaded by others have degenerated into a circle jerk of victimhood, however.
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Check this out; Bartle's Taxonomy of players fits perfectly with the medieval humours:
People focussed---------Process Focussed
Killers---------------------Explorers-----------Extroverted
Socializers----------------Achievers-----------Introverted
People focussed---------Process Focussed
Killers---------------------Explorers-----------Extroverted
Socializers----------------Achievers-----------Introverted
So did OP actually commit suicide?
I'd never trust anyone with my forum credentials, much less post for me.
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Game is the difference between a broke average looking dude in a 2nd tier city turning bad bitch feminists into maids and fucktoys and a well to do lawyer with 50x the dough taking 3 dates to bang broads in philly.
Seven months later and OP is still a faggot.
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