[Elster]

I've been trying to accomodate all the data from the last two years ranging from geo political transformations,population changes and financial data into a disgestible format as a reference to have into account for my own movements.

Without delving too much into specifics and being brutally cynical about it

How long do you think the western world's current sociopolitical status in general,and the northern western parts in particular have left in the hourglass?
Where do you think the winds of prosperity will blow?

Quite honestly,it feels as if Europe has sealed its fate between low birth rates,the migrant issue and a nanny state culture that can no longer be sustained.

The USA on the other hand gives the impression to an outisde viewer of not only sliding into a grave financial reccesion but into a potential civil war and/or seccesion scenario.

So of course,I am not totting these impressions I have as true or relevant but if you do agree or feel like engaging in discussion do share your thoughts and estimations

[samsamsam]

I am curious what evidence you have about succession or civil war in the US. Thanks.

[Samseau]

My thoughts over this thread: thread-53565.html

[8ball]

The western world will be fine. The political pendulum will shift right and then even more right. It feels like everything is going to hell now but when things change they change very quickly. The solution, while not easy, will be a political one and it will happen when shit hits the fan. There are still too many people that seem to think politics and voting doesn't matter since the system is rigged, the "elites" control everything, and other loser reasons. What history has shown is that in every empire elites have fallen and at times brutally wiped out. When the tide turns and the power is taken by others, you will see a swift shift in tone by the media/academia and virtually all sheep.


All it takes is for one or two major western countries to "change course" and the rest will fall like dominos. Hungary/Poland etc does not count. It has to be a western country possibly with an imperial/colonial past.

[Elster]

(02-24-2016 05:44 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

I am curious what evidence you have about succession or civil war in the US. Thanks.

No evidence nor qualified opinion albeit some reasoning (that may be quite faulty)

The size and expanse of the USA has so far been mantained by
a homogeneity of culture and language -a feature that degrades with time as local culture and language develops its own strand of identity,both linguistic and political- as well as an imported goods infrastructure that is entirely dependant on transport.


Should the prevalent position of the USA in the field of economics that allows it to obtain this imports at an advantage (such as an change in disponibility of gasoline which in turn would affect logistics) fail,then many populated centers accross its territory would be affected or downright nullified.

The differing cultural and/or political views on issues such as religion,gun control or moral direction(age of consent,homosexuality,marriage.etc) or self governance/autonomy will occassionally-and it seems more and more often as of late-clash with the will of the over ruling federal government,which will naturally be strenghtened as these territories develop a more defined identity of their own as opposed to that of their over seeing state.

Add to that a dose of prolonged economical imbalance and a probem with the distribution or access to resources and you have yourself a nice recipee for a disintegration of a large political unit into smaller independent or associated states.


On gun control laws,it is interesting that in latter years the federal administration has pushed or stimulated or given wider space to issues,events or report of events concerning the dangers if not evils of gun usage and/or access amongs the populace.
On independence,many states,or their citizens have been more pressured to give up their own resources,whether economical or territorial to matters where the over seeing federal state is concerned.


So again,I have no evidence nor qualified opinion,but taking into account factors that have been present in similar situations before from what we know in history there is ground for a reasonable possibility of such a conflict taking place

[SudoRoot]

In my opinion, the low birth rates in the west and especially europe, are the Major Problem. Since it's not considered as "cool" to get pregnant during your 20s, western Population will Keep declining. There is a german Feminist politician who Claims, that the solution for this Problem is to simply mass-import another culture. She Claims, that in 10-15 years, White People will be a minority in Germany. And she loves it!

[The Beast1]

How about the 2nd coming of Christ? What if the Pope converts to Islam and encourages Christians to do the same? The antichrist being a liberal pope encouraging degeneracy.

[LEMONed IScream]

No need to go that far. The Pope is a silly leftist that thinks he is doing his best to unite the Church and bring more flock into the fold. It will be a cold day in hell when that poor excuse of a Pope is fit to be any sort of Antichrist.

Reports of the West's demise are thoroughly exaggerated. Europe in particular is probably the continent with more conflict, conquering and inner-wars of all time, not to mention epidemics like the Black Plague.

There is no chance a bunch of dindu migrants and a financial crisis are going to fuck it all up. There will be pain, there will be conflict and eventually there will be change. The rope will snap, and it will strike back, hard.

[Foolsgo1d]

If you're hoping for a collapse then it won't come. It is merely a decline.

For a collapse to occur you need the economy to tank and then get hit with 20+ million third world scavengers in less than a year, no food on the table for 3 days running, no proper electricity etc. Thats a collapse.

[The Beast1]

(03-01-2016 10:24 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

No need to go that far. The Pope is a silly leftist that thinks he is doing his best to unite the Church and bring more flock into the fold. It will be a cold day in hell when that poor excuse of a Pope is fit to be any sort of Antichrist.

Reports of the West's demise are thoroughly exaggerated. Europe in particular is probably the continent with more conflict, conquering and inner-wars of all time, not to mention epidemics like the Black Plague.

There is no chance a bunch of dindu migrants and a financial crisis are going to fuck it all up. There will be pain, there will be conflict and eventually there will be change. The rope will snap, and it will strike back, hard.

Ahh, but what if the pope converts to Islam? That would be a big red flag right there for me.

[Elster]

(03-01-2016 10:24 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

If you're hoping for a collapse then it won't come. It is merely a decline.

For a collapse to occur you need the economy to tank and then get hit with 20+ million third world scavengers in less than a year, no food on the table for 3 days running, no proper electricity etc. Thats a collapse.

Interesting,I guess then I have been using "collapse" in a light manner.
Would it be correct to say then that as long as there is Panem et circenses it is unlikely that one will see popular uprisings,at least on the side of western natives?

SudoRoot Wrote:

In my opinion, the low birth rates in the west and especially europe, are the Major Problem. Since it's not considered as "cool" to get pregnant during your 20s, western Population will Keep declining. There is a german Feminist politician who Claims, that the solution for this Problem is to simply mass-import another culture. She Claims, that in 10-15 years, White People will be a minority in Germany. And she loves it!

I remember having heard about this woman! I assume she herself is childless?

[kamoz]

The Pope has been exhibiting suspicious behavior. Completely ignored the slaughter of Christians in the Middle East but welcomes millions of muzzies with open arms. Called out trump for wanting to build a wall, but doesn't say anything about Hillary or bernies leftist liberal policies. He's also indicated favor for contraception as a result of zika, and hasn't voiced any opposition to the legalization of gay marriage in Italy, and even told church leaders to stay out of it. Check out the prophecy of St Malachy, I wouldn't completely dismiss it as a myth, at least people have been talking about it for some time. Combine all this with the fact that he's the first ever Jesuit pope, and only took office after benedicts sudden resignation after only 6 or so years - and he was a conservative who spoke out against Islam gay marriage abortion and even moral relativism which is the basis for the degeneracy of our society over the last 50 or so years. Also look at the turn of events that have taken place shortly after he took office, namely ISIS and the migrant invasion. Im very suspicious of this pope, but if he were to fit into the whole Revelations prophecy he wouldn't be the anti Christ if I recall correctly, he would be "the false prophet" I think. Either way, interesting stuff to keep an eye on.

[Disco_Volante]

The anti-Christ would come after the false prophet (pope francis).

basically the anti-Christ is supposed to be a really charismatic person who saves Europe, everyone loves him, then he demands everyone worship and submit to him, and he kills dissenters, and institute some sort of 'mark of the beast' for digital currency or whatever.

I don't see this situation feasible until many years down the road. maybe 15 years or more I don't see how one person could unite Europe, or even most of the countries into following him. Plus China and Russia would simply nuke Europe if a leader of Europe started trying to take over the world.

The anti-Christ is supposed to unite a huge amount of people across Europe and gain loyal followers I don't see how that could happen, even with Islam maybe as the galvanizing 'problem' he would solve. I also don't see how an anti-Christ is supposed to basically rule the world for 3.5 years.

I have a hard time imagining all parts of Asia and South America being uniformly under direct influence of some satanic nut.

Considering the Catholic church considers masturbation a mortal sin (punishable by eternity in hell if you don't repent), it could all be nutty hyperbole, and every conflict throughout history Christians will swear it's the new 'anti-christ'.

[Elster]

During his tenure as arch bishop in argentina,Bergoglio (former name of pope francis) deftly outmaneuvered and resisted several presidential and political attacks.
I would say that if anything,regardless of one's view he is a though bone to crack. As indeed,anyone who made it to the higher speheres of the vatican one has to be in order to survive,the fact that he is a jesuit makes him only more fearsome considered they are seen as renegades of sort still...

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

I think we are near the worst case scenario. Collapse is an overly strong word when you look at historical examples. Preppers imagine a collapse in which the whole planet reverts to pre-1850 technology. They expect a complete and permanent breakdown of fuel and food distribution networks, that results in the zombie apocolypse.

In reality, the worst case examples are the Soviet Union, Argentina, and China. The collapse of the Soviet Union was very hard on the population., but ultimate the successor states have moved on. In the case of Chjna, they are strong now, but think of their history in recent centuries. They were the most advanced culture on earth, but they entered a period of social decay, until eventually they were just a puppet government, with their territory carved up by the Europeans. Yet, eventually they recovered. 100 year's ago, Argentina was one of the richest, most successful countries. However, they entered a period of socialist decline, and have been second rate ever since. In 2000, they had a currency collapse, with widespread disorder. They've partially recovered from this, but still have ongoing problems with out of control government spending, inflation, and defaults.

The problems are both economic and cultural. Various political forces and external economic events can result in a bad economy, and if the problems are severe enough, the country can see up to a 50% decline in standard of living. The more serious problem is cultural collapse. In each example, there was a cultural malaise and collapse. Russia rebounded quickly in historical terms. China was weak and broken for 200 years, but has now recovered. Argentina has gotten better, but has never reached its previous peak.

The west today is bankrupt, financially and morally. Thsee two factors will likely set us back into a period like Weimar Germany for 1-2 generations. In the long run, we will see cultural renewal. However, throughout this period, there will continue to be technological advances, including medical advances and improved organizational practices. This will limit the average misery of the population through the period of decline.

So, as I said, the current state of the western world is already close to worst case.

[Guitarman]

I thnk only Donald Trump can reverse the economic, cultural and moral decline in the west. Otherwise the SJW/Libtards will establish a PC thought crime dictatorship over the west. We will then be overrun by Muslims. Finally, Muslim and SJW/Libtard cultures will clash when transgenders and Gays start getting thrown from the roof tops in western caliphate controlled areas. There will likely to be civil war at this point. The SJWs will have a REAL rape culture, a real patriarchy and real "homophobia", sexism. And racism to deal with.

Except there will be no safe spaces left and the triggering will be from AK-47's not in their imagination.

At this point Russia, China and India will occupy what's left of Europe and North America.

[LEMONed IScream]

^Samseau is that you?

[Elster]

(03-02-2016 09:11 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

100 year's ago, Argentina was one of the richest, most successful countries. However, they entered a period of socialist decline, and have been second rate ever since. In 2000, they had a currency collapse, with widespread disorder. They've partially recovered from this, but still have ongoing problems with out of control government spending, inflation, and defaults.

The problems are both economic and cultural. Various political forces and external economic events can result in a bad economy, and if the problems are severe enough, the country can see up to a 50% decline in standard of living. The more serious problem is cultural collapse. In each example, there was a cultural malaise and collapse. Russia rebounded quickly in historical terms. China was weak and broken for 200 years, but has now recovered. Argentina has gotten better, but has never reached its previous peak.

I was already in my puberty when this happened,my family was severely affected but werent left as bad as many who lost all their savings,we ourselves saw our financial patrimony unflourishly halved.

(03-02-2016 09:11 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

So, as I said, the current state of the western world is already close to worst case.

This is mostly the kind of answer I m seeking this thread,an analysis and estimation of how things could play out
(predictions would be cool but where does one find trusty oracles these days!)

[El Chinito loco]

(03-02-2016 09:11 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

The more serious problem is cultural collapse. In each example, there was a cultural malaise and collapse. Russia rebounded quickly in historical terms. China was weak and broken for 200 years, but has now recovered. Argentina has gotten better, but has never reached its previous peak.

Homogenous nations on roughly the same page when it comes to ideology, culture, and historical outlook can survive tough times much better. This may not be true of nations who expose themselves with the multicult experiment. It's basic common sense that has been lost in today's cultural revisions.

[Elster]

Although a Mad max or zomie apocalypse scenario does sound kind of terribly awesome,it is a less likely thing to happen,at least in Europe I'd gues then.

How do you see the idea of political units breaking,in europe or in the USA,then?