Quote: (01-25-2016 05:17 PM)mickeyd Wrote:
Quote: (01-25-2016 04:41 PM)aeroektar Wrote:
Quote: (01-25-2016 04:28 PM)mickeyd Wrote:
Shit like this is why I'm anti-gun. Most of these hillbillies think with the most circle-jerk pseudo-logic I've ever heard (kind of like a feminist). Ex:
Me: why do you need a concealed handgun?
Hillbilly: Because I need to protect myself.
Me: from who?
Hillbilly: From criminals of course.
Me: so you've been a victim of crime and now you see the need for it?
Hillbilly: no
Me: so why do you need it?
Hillbilly: well i saw on the news that everyone was getting attacked and this one time my cousin got harrassed by a homeless guy...
These people live in totally safe environments and feel the need to play the "Batman fantasy" instead of getting real hobbies (George Zimmerman, a classic example). They overspend on diesel 4x4 trucks to drive on good roads and they have no hitches on their truck because they don't own anything that they'd need to tow. And then they go out and buy AR-15's for 1500 dollars, and glocks for 700 dollars, outrageously expensive for how simple modern guns are (the police force gets glocks for something like 300 dollars).
Based on the encounter, I assume that the gun shop owner hillbillies were being belligerent, but still in the right, because it's their store, and the other hillbillies had handguns and were being assholes as well, which led to a shootout. Much ado about nothing.
Unfortunately no gun legislation ever gets through because hillbillies think " omg! the guberment is trying to take my guns and exterminate children!! omg! the evil database of gun owners will destroy us all". But you can't have an automatic weapon, cant have rockets, grenades etc. Alot of "arms" are already banned. And the government knows your address, what car you own, where you work, who your relatives are, and can access bank records, purchases, etc. How the fuck is another database going to affect you?
A strict handgun permit is probably the most sensible thing we need. and stiff penalties for handgun owners without permits. So the legal conceal carriers can keep doing what they want, but the idiots, weekend gangbangers, and untrained get weeded out. And everyone gets to keep their long guns
And you know whats great about America? You have every right to live in a city or state with harsher gun laws. By all means, even pack your shit and move to Germany or wherever.
You know whats even greater about America? We have a political system in which we can voice our opinion, vote, and change our laws. And, for the record, the only thing I support is harsher handgun laws, nothing involving long guns. I think I will stay put where I was born and raised, with my shotgun and rifles, and vote in my local elections.
This story of the hillbilly shootout in Mississippi is not a common occurrence, even with harsher handgun laws this would still happen from time to time. On the other hand, cities like DC and Chicago with the toughest gun laws in the country experience some of the highest murder rates, committed by people who could give a fuck less about any gun laws because they're going to ignore them and unlawfully possess regardless.
What we need to look at is how these people are getting these guns and stop them from getting them, but not at the expense of limiting the freedoms of the majority of law abiding non violent Americans. How do we do that? Well how are they getting guns in chicago? I honestly dont know, but you often hear the claim that the guns are bought in Indiana and brought into Chicago, if thats really true, we need to punish the fuck out of gun dealers in Indiana who are making those sales. If the dealers arent at fault, surely theres a name attached to a legal sale, that person should face harsh punishment. You also hear about the gunshow loophole, which again, if a gun is tracked back to an illegal gun show sale, punish all parties involved.
I dont know what kind of time one does for any kind of gun violation, but the sentences should be longer and harsher if people keep reoffending or arent scared of punishment. From what I understand though, we don't enforce our current gun laws.
The mental health thing also seems like a good idea on the surface but it needs the proper implementation. Its not as simple as it sounds.
I live in Massachusetts where just to get a shotgun or rifle you need to get a sign off from the local CLEO and then you need to take a firearms safety class which is fucking retarded and literally anyone can pass, then if you want to buy a handgun and carry, or buy any semi-auto, you need to go take another class/get another permit. I live in the city with the highest crime rate, there are illegal guns all over the streets. I'd feel a lot safer in a city the same size in a state like Tennessee, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Utah, etc. where good people don't have to jump through as many hoops to obtain a firearm.