[Samseau]

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I've always suspected it must have something to do with the fact that Orthodox Churches are autocephalous. Maybe that makes Orthodoxy less susceptible to the import of foreign ideology (liberalism, feminism and other blue pill nonsense), unlike the Catholic Church, which is universal in nature.

Orthodox churches represent the middle road between Cathlocism and Protestantism.

Catholics follow authority too blindly, while Protestants refuse to organize around any authority at all.

In the Orthodox communities, the Patriarch and Church authorities make up 50% of how things are done and they mainly use their authority for truly essential things such as communion, prayers said in church, certain moral teachings, etc.

The other 50% is left to the Priest's discretion, which they usually tailor to the needs of their audience, both material and physical. For example, in Boston, the priest there has an heavy emphasis on pluralism due to the diversity within the city, and they really stress lines like "there is neither jew nor greek nor male or female for you are all one in Christ," because the city is quite mixed. Conversely in lily White Pennsylvania they won't even talk about those lines. Sometimes the diversity talk can be quite faggy, however, and I do not think every Orthodox priest teaches the Bible as it should. I also do not really feel much of God's presence at the "diversity" Church I mentioned.

That said, Orthodox churches are run in this way which do prevent major conflicts we've seen develop in other denominations. The big reason Orthodox churches have declined at all is because of persecution. No other Church has suffered from persecution as the Orthodox. From Muslims to Talmudic Communists, so many of our members have been murdered. Tens of millions.

[MiscBrah]

I was watching Contact earlier as I biked and the opening scene reminded me of something I already knew but I lacked the perspective to fully appreciate it.

I'm not as eloquent as some here but I look at things like this and it speaks to me. I don't know how you could look at the wonders of our Universe and the human body and not see signs of God.

I am in awe whenever I see something like this.

[Pride male]

Surprised this thread has lasted this long. The answer is quite obvious.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(02-17-2016 12:11 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Surprised this thread has lasted this long. The answer is quite obvious.

Why do hardcore atheists like yourself seem to consistently come back after making their case and act as if it's some obvious conclusion that humanity as a whole should believe in your point of view? It's always the same condescending and arrogant tone over and over.

Can you not come and make an actual rebuttal or actually join in on a discussion of human spirituality?

Just leave and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[Truth Teller]

(02-17-2016 12:13 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

Why do hardcore atheists like yourself seem to consistently come back after making their case and act as if it's some obvious conclusion that humanity as a whole should believe in your point of view? It's always the same condescending and arrogant tone over and over.

Can you not come and make an actual rebuttal or actually join in on a discussion of human spirituality?

Just leave and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

The guy is a clown who holds to Jesus mythicism, a position worthy of ridicule and shame.

Many atheists are far more intelligent and intellectual.

[Truth Teller]

(02-15-2016 07:30 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 07:14 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

Interestingly, the Catholic Church now is asking men to take a more active stance in the church, so things might start looking up.

Were you talking about this article?

There's a particularly significant quote in it:

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CWR: Were there any particular surprises in your research?

Christoff: One of the key findings that really shocked me was the large numbers of practicing Catholic men who lack fraternity. Only about one in six practicing Catholic men feels like they have strong bonds of brotherhood in their parishes. That is shocking to me. The fact is that we haven’t cultivated a spirit of brotherhood and fraternity. Fraternity is critical, for when you have high levels of fraternity and brotherhood in parishes, men pray more, they go to confession more, they go to Mass more, and they’re more active in their parishes. There are large numbers of Catholic men who are hungry and will respond if their priest specifically and systematically evangelizes them. Many priests haven’t yet made the active evangelization and catechesis of men a personal priority.

Maybe RVF should start hosting meetups in Catholic churches

Yeah, more or less. I'm a practicing Catholic and I can't stand a huge number of my fellow Catholic men. Maybe there's 40 or so. I like about 6.

[Paracelsus]

(02-18-2016 03:19 AM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 07:30 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 07:14 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

Interestingly, the Catholic Church now is asking men to take a more active stance in the church, so things might start looking up.

Were you talking about this article?

There's a particularly significant quote in it:

Quote:

CWR: Were there any particular surprises in your research?

Christoff: One of the key findings that really shocked me was the large numbers of practicing Catholic men who lack fraternity. Only about one in six practicing Catholic men feels like they have strong bonds of brotherhood in their parishes. That is shocking to me. The fact is that we haven’t cultivated a spirit of brotherhood and fraternity. Fraternity is critical, for when you have high levels of fraternity and brotherhood in parishes, men pray more, they go to confession more, they go to Mass more, and they’re more active in their parishes. There are large numbers of Catholic men who are hungry and will respond if their priest specifically and systematically evangelizes them. Many priests haven’t yet made the active evangelization and catechesis of men a personal priority.

Maybe RVF should start hosting meetups in Catholic churches

Yeah, more or less. I'm a practicing Catholic and I can't stand a huge number of my fellow Catholic men. Maybe there's 40 or so. I like about 6.

Jesus got by with 12, so you only need to find a few more

[Mage]

(02-18-2016 03:19 AM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 07:30 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 07:14 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

Interestingly, the Catholic Church now is asking men to take a more active stance in the church, so things might start looking up.

Were you talking about this article?

There's a particularly significant quote in it:

Quote:

CWR: Were there any particular surprises in your research?

Christoff: One of the key findings that really shocked me was the large numbers of practicing Catholic men who lack fraternity. Only about one in six practicing Catholic men feels like they have strong bonds of brotherhood in their parishes. That is shocking to me. The fact is that we haven’t cultivated a spirit of brotherhood and fraternity. Fraternity is critical, for when you have high levels of fraternity and brotherhood in parishes, men pray more, they go to confession more, they go to Mass more, and they’re more active in their parishes. There are large numbers of Catholic men who are hungry and will respond if their priest specifically and systematically evangelizes them. Many priests haven’t yet made the active evangelization and catechesis of men a personal priority.

Maybe RVF should start hosting meetups in Catholic churches

Yeah, more or less. I'm a practicing Catholic and I can't stand a huge number of my fellow Catholic men. Maybe there's 40 or so. I like about 6.

As a former Catholic I can say that this is true, women are the glue of Catholic society, there is sisterhood, but there is no true friendship among men. Men are there to service women, women are there for feelings and for the social circle that would allow them to not feel lonely while living in abstinence or married to betas. Most catholic men are weak betas anyway and even other betas don't want to be friends with betas.

When normal men get together they generally talk about something competitive, things knowledge about whom could potentially get them ahead in life - politics, work, business, sports, cars, fishing, hunting, women, technology, games, science. These topics are generally softly taboo in Catholic circles - all talk must be about something that induces feelings and something that is nice and polite, you can't discuss gross realities with catholic women hearing and being shamed sooner or later. All these women assume they are mothers and men are little boys to be looked after and sadly catholic men accept these roles.

[The Father]

I'm a bit surprised how focused this thread is on Christianity/Catholicism. Little mention of eastern religions/philosophies. Roosh's own "notes on Buddhism" are magnificent, but no one comments on it. I've often thought of certain schools of Buddhism as more of a philosophy/way of life than a religion, so maybe that's why it gets short shrift here.

[debeguiled]

(02-18-2016 12:30 PM)The Father Wrote:  

I'm a bit surprised how focused this thread is on Christianity/Catholicism. Little mention of eastern religions/philosophies. Roosh's own "notes on Buddhism" are magnificent, but no one comments on it. I've often thought of certain schools of Buddhism as more of a philosophy/way of life than a religion, so maybe that's why it gets short shrift here.

I've been at other forums where it is the same thing. Threads on Islam or Buddhism die out quickly and the one on Christianity is hundreds of pages long.

Things like Buddhism, Taoism, etc. are exotic to many people, and therefore acceptable and nonthreatening. Dabbling in them poses no real threat to one's way of life, and there is a bit of social cred in claiming to have experimented in something exotic.

Christianity, on the other hand, is a major cramp in the style and thorn in the flesh for almost everybody, especially players and entrepreneurs and atheists.

Add to that the fact that there is a fair bit of childhood trauma, examined and otherwise, that many attribute to Christianity, and you have a volatile philosopy on both an intellectual and personal level.

It is almost inevitable that people will be provoked to respond to Christianity more than anything else.

[Paracelsus]

(02-18-2016 09:37 AM)Mage Wrote:  

When normal men get together they generally talk about something competitive, things knowledge about whom could potentially get them ahead in life - politics, work, business, sports, cars, fishing, hunting, women, technology, games, science. These topics are generally softly taboo in Catholic circles - all talk must be about something that induces feelings and something that is nice and polite, you can't discuss gross realities with catholic women hearing and being shamed sooner or later. All these women assume they are mothers and men are little boys to be looked after and sadly catholic men accept these roles.

All the more reason for male-only Catholic circles.

Sometimes it feels to me like Catholicism demands perfect, non-reprehensible conduct before you can be considered a functional Catholic. This attitude seems to me to breed hypocritical, one-hour-per-week Christians of all kinds and lukewarm, passive-aggressive "niceness" in Christian guys - the desire to look like a Christian out of a Renaissance picture when you should be trying to act out a Christian life. Even if you try your hardest not to sin, seven days per week, twenty four hours per day, you're still going to. It's in your nature. Not even the best saints could claim they lived sinless lives, and if anything they seem to have been at pains in their autobiographies to say so.

Acknowledging your nature while sincerely trying to live a Christian life and accepting full responsibility for when you don't - this is the opposite of one-hour-per-week, best-Sunday-clothes Christianity. It kills passive-aggressiveness because you are not pretending to be a saint. I think men -- when they're away from women -- are more in touch with this because we're not as susceptible to vanity, especially in groups. But it requires men to get together and be honest with each other in a way that's more or less impossible for women to be when they get together in a group.

Yes, I do hold women can't be honest in groups. Have you ever heard of or known a woman to fart in the company of her own sex?

[numanist]

I was a confirmed Catholic, but I'm warming up to Bio-centrism. Bio-centrism is basically a cross between intelligent design and darwinism and was pioneered by award-winning geneticist, Robert Lanza. Bio-centrism is non-deistic. It purports that life is cyclical and returns to bloom like a perennial flower. The main thrust behind Bio-Centrism is that consciousness creates the universe. It is supported by scientific experiments like the double-slit test and Schrodinger's cat. Another main idea behind Bio-Centrism is that we live in a multi-verse, a multi-verse is basically a set of infinite universes.

[Samseau]

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consciousness creates the universe.

aka God

[Wutang]

(02-15-2016 07:14 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:45 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Leave that church. Don't take the Catholic church too seriously, it's been corrupted for a long time now.

Denominations do not matter very much. Find a priest who teaches the Bible as it was written and with the intent of those who wrote it. I am an orthodox, and I can tell you that the quality of our priests is much higher than average but there are still some bad ones. Ultimately it's about finding a good priest, the labels around the denominations are mostly bullshit. God has no label.

I am a Catholic, and I largely agree with you.

There's a Catholic group at my university. The men are largely weak and pathetic. Most of them I don't bother with. The women are distasteful and unpleasant, with a handful of exceptions. One of the few fellow Catholics I like is a Navy vet. He and I actually know something of the outside world. As a result, we're disliked by many.

Also, I can't stand the current Pope. Love and kindness is great, but you have to preach that in combination with the Atonement.

Interestingly, the Catholic Church now is asking men to take a more active stance in the church, so things might start looking up.

I'm not Catholic but when I was in grad school I used to hang out with a couple of the Catholics from the Newman Center as well as used to participate in their activities. I don't want them call them weak and pathetic as I actually really liked the people I met there but there was a define sense of naivete that I wouldn't see in their non-Catholic peers. I actually really liked the innocence that radiated from them especially compared to the typical cynicism and degeneracy I would see from a lot of people around me but I can see why it would come off as weak. One of my good friends from that circle (who's actually in seminary now) used to lament about how all the guys he played rugby with would constantly talk about girls and I remember him talking about the sin of Oman once and getting really uncomfortable with describing it whereas most guys would be like "beating off har har".

Also when I was undergrad before that I remember sitting in a lecture hall once and over hearing a conversation between two girls. They were Catholics and were complaining about the guys they were meeting at some sort of social for the campus ministry. They were talking about how the guys were super awkward and one girl even made a remark along the lines of "Come on talking to the opposite sex isn't a sin".

[PartManPartMonkey]

Part man part monkey, definitely.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(02-27-2016 01:32 PM)PartManPartMonkey Wrote:  

Part man part monkey, definitely.

[PartManPartMonkey]

(02-28-2016 01:21 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 01:32 PM)PartManPartMonkey Wrote:  

Part man part monkey, definitely.

That's one handsome guyrilla.

[franko100]

Definitely say a prayer every day. To what? I don't know, but it's had practical and beneficial effects on my inner well being for over a decade now. Going to stick with something that gives results, right?

[All or Nothing]

(02-17-2016 12:13 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

Why do hardcore atheists like yourself seem to consistently come back after making their case and act as if it's some obvious conclusion that humanity as a whole should believe in your point of view? It's always the same condescending and arrogant tone over and over.

Ironically, the militant atheists who attack Christianity at every turn are the reason why I am more determined than ever to make sure that my kids (when I have kids) are raised Catholic like I was. My plan is to do this purely out of defiance to their constant attacks on religion.

I am agnostic now, so that is how much the militant atheists have frustrated me.

[Sosa]

This is a polarizing topic. Some will dismiss it, but for guys like me it is the single most important thing in a man's life. Allow me to preface this post by stating I am not a preacher. I'm not a prophet. Although I hold strongly in my beliefs, I don't try to impose them on anyone. One thing I really disliked when I was in college in Gainesville were those people shouting and shaming passing undergrad students to repent of their sins. Holding signs with scriptures and warning them of eternal damnation, always causing a scene. I hated how they went about conveying their message. I personally don't even attend church anymore due to the corruption I saw with my own eyes growing up in organized religion. Obviously I know this post is not going to be a popular opinion, and that's fine. Were all respectful men here, and this forum allows us to share our views.

I'm just a regular guy and player who found God through a near death experience - one until this day I have no idea how I possibly survived. Yes I believe in the God of the Bible and his son Jesus Christ.

After said experience, I went home and for a week straight I READ the Bible front to back. Had no idea why - but it was just a compelling, irresistible feeling. I honestly don't remember leaving the house - I ordered food and locked myself in my apartment. It's about a 10 hour read and I re-read parts multiple times - primarily the New testament. The New Testament I felt related to what was going in the the world around me here and now. After much thought and rationalizing, I broke down in tears and became a believer. This is the only time in my entire life I've remember tearing up about anything - including deaths in the family.

Among the biggest revelations I discovered about the Bible is that its a "Script", like for a movie. That's why they call it scripture. It's literally the written words of God himself, which I find fascinating. It's the story of the world from the beginning of time, until the time of the end. But its "His-story". We all are history in the making. Were all living in a matrix in which we have "freedom of choice" and the nature of causality is in effect. But if you believe in the God of the Bible as I do, then you KNOW he knows all things from the beginning until the end. It is 100% true, for it is impossible for God to lie. This is why I don't like to argue or fear monger - because when the story ends all will be made right, and all the characters in his story will have fulfilled their purpose.

Fast forward to the year 2016 and all the truth that was prophesied all those years ago are coming into fruition. For Example:

-Wars and rumors of wars. This is undeniable with the current world crisis we are in involving Syria, Russia, Turkey, North Korea, NATO, and the USA. Chants of "Death to America", the migrant crisis and spread of Islam, and "practice" nukes are being set off monthly.

-Globalist agenda of a one world banking and religious system, where you get a RFID chip in your hand or forehead. And if you refuse you get your head cut off.

-The lost of love in the world, and the hatred of everyone in it. Race Wars and Culture wars are at an all time high. Christians are being persecuted, and the "Prince" of this world is leading the charge. He's a spiritual entity that has the power to make people kill one another. He is the one who "deceives the whole world". When I first read this I thought "how the fuck can the whole world be deceived?" Well we all had a front row seat and saw with our own eyes in early February with all the lies which led to the ROK meetups to be canceled.

Through much discernment and years of study its clear as day what is going on - so much so it pains me to see so many people blinded to it. I had to ask myself "Why does Satan hate man so much? Why does he hate me? - I've done nothing." This scene from the movie Constantine does so perfectly. Sent chills up my spine when I first saw it.

Lastly, I recently figured out it's actually God that's allowing all this crazy shit that's going on right now. It's a TRAP.

[Paracelsus]

^^^^

This is not much different to the Catholic idea -- stemming out of the visions of the seers at Fatima in 1917 -- that the 20th century in particular, or some time period surrounding it, is a particular time of trial for Christianity if not the Roman Catholic Church specifically. That, similar to Job in the book of the OT, Satan has allowed by God a finite period to particularly rip hard on humanity and on the Church generally, following which some epochal change is likely to happen. Whether it's the end of the world or not is not certain.

There's also something else about the whole "I don't go to church because it's corrupt." I had to come to terms with this idea because of the paedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church particularly if not in most churches with the Catholic Church being the most prominent target. I have often been asked "How can you go to church or support the church when it's done all these evil things?"

Here's my view: I don't go to Mass to support the church. I go primarily for the sake of my own immortal soul, for the miracle that is the transubstantiation of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. At long-established doctrine, the sinfulness of the priest whose hands raise the Host do not make that Host unclean or make the miracle any less real. By what right should I turn my face from an encounter with the Risen Christ just because Christ's doorkeeper is an ugly fuck, or because the doorway to him is on fire? Shall I shun Christ for the sake of a covey of sinful bastards in his own church? Did Jesus say "Fuck off, all of you and don't return until you've gone and ducked Judas's head into a nearby pond, then I'll tell you how to save men's souls?"

[Samseau]

(03-02-2016 10:26 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

^^^^

This is not much different to the Catholic idea -- stemming out of the visions of the seers at Fatima in 1917 -- that the 20th century in particular, or some time period surrounding it, is a particular time of trial for Christianity if not the Roman Catholic Church specifically. That, similar to Job in the book of the OT, Satan has allowed by God a finite period to particularly rip hard on humanity and on the Church generally, following which some epochal change is likely to happen. Whether it's the end of the world or not is not certain.

There's also something else about the whole "I don't go to church because it's corrupt." I had to come to terms with this idea because of the paedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church particularly if not in most churches with the Catholic Church being the most prominent target. I have often been asked "How can you go to church or support the church when it's done all these evil things?"

Here's my view: I don't go to Mass to support the church. I go primarily for the sake of my own immortal soul, for the miracle that is the transubstantiation of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. At long-established doctrine, the sinfulness of the priest whose hands raise the Host do not make that Host unclean or make the miracle any less real. By what right should I turn my face from an encounter with the Risen Christ just because Christ's doorkeeper is an ugly fuck, or because the doorway to him is on fire? Shall I shun Christ for the sake of a covey of sinful bastards in his own church? Did Jesus say "Fuck off, all of you and don't return until you've gone and ducked Judas's head into a nearby pond, then I'll tell you how to save men's souls?"

You certainly shouldn't give them money though.

[Sosa]

(03-02-2016 10:26 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

^^^^

This is not much different to the Catholic idea -- stemming out of the visions of the seers at Fatima in 1917 -- that the 20th century in particular, or some time period surrounding it, is a particular time of trial for Christianity if not the Roman Catholic Church specifically. That, similar to Job in the book of the OT, Satan has allowed by God a finite period to particularly rip hard on humanity and on the Church generally, following which some epochal change is likely to happen. Whether it's the end of the world or not is not certain.

There's also something else about the whole "I don't go to church because it's corrupt." I had to come to terms with this idea because of the paedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church particularly if not in most churches with the Catholic Church being the most prominent target. I have often been asked "How can you go to church or support the church when it's done all these evil things?"

Here's my view: I don't go to Mass to support the church. I go primarily for the sake of my own immortal soul, for the miracle that is the transubstantiation of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. At long-established doctrine, the sinfulness of the priest whose hands raise the Host do not make that Host unclean or make the miracle any less real. By what right should I turn my face from an encounter with the Risen Christ just because Christ's doorkeeper is an ugly fuck, or because the doorway to him is on fire? Shall I shun Christ for the sake of a covey of sinful bastards in his own church? Did Jesus say "Fuck off, all of you and don't return until you've gone and ducked Judas's head into a nearby pond, then I'll tell you how to save men's souls?"

We live in a world with many deceivers feeding the masses lies and half-truths. They're permeated everywhere in our society - in Politics, Business, and of course religion. For me Religious leaders are the worst of all because their job is to lead the lost, young, and impressionable to God - yet Global pedophillic butt sex scandals are being practiced by these very same people, all while being swept under the rug for decades. These are "Christ's doorkeeper's"? How can you trust? I can forgive, but can't forget. You know them by their fruits.

They've done evil things - but so has every person walking this earth. Even the Pope. Who am I to judge when I myself have done evil things? We've all sinned and have failed short of the Glory of God. This is the true nature of men. Were inherently evil.

On the contrary, my inability to trust organized religion due to its corruption hasn't led me to shun Christ. If anything it has drew me closer to him. I Have a personal relationship with him. He knows me and I know him. Theirs only one way to save your soul - and it does not hinge on how often you attend mass.

[Kish]

A man in haiti miraculously survives 4 weeks under rubble after the earthquake. He said a man in a white coat gave him water from time to time. More like Angelic intervention.

Haiti is 80% Catholic.

[Booster]

I just joined this community. I strongly agree with many it's views on masculinity, women and moral views, however I currently don't believe in any god after being a Catholic for most of my life. And I say "any god" because there are thousands of other gods invented by mankind to explain existence and find comfort in the fact that a higher being controls their ultimate fate. I turned away from religion after 3 theology courses. Also after learning science and the nature of evidence. I believe true morality can be achieved by logic, reason, and experience (also there is a evolutionary/genetic factor to it. As you can observe certain grade of morality even in chimps).