[Rhyme or Reason]

I've only got one question for the guys in this thread saying they would/have been in an LTR with a sloot they banged on the first date...




How'd it work out for you?

[Ogunn]

(01-12-2016 05:37 PM)lifeizfunhuh Wrote:  

The ideal scenario is this: you try as hard as you can for the bang - she ALMOST gives it up. It is obvious that she wants you, you see the struggle. A soaking wet pussy is the most sincere test of attraction because it cannot be faked. This assures the attraction is real, but also tests her resolve. Most girls fail the test and you get the bang to satisfy your needs. It's fun, but these girls disappoint on a deep level. Bonus that you can screen the ones that don't give it up, even though they REALLY want to. Those are the ones to invest a little more in, as additional due diligence is warranted.

As I say to my friends, you never know how strong the castle walls are until you try to breach them.

lifeizfunhuh gets it! This is what I want, and enjoy the most! A girl with some self control is usually the most amazing to be with!!

[Ogunn]

(01-13-2016 11:19 AM)Noir Wrote:  

It's testament to any of the below:

You gotta accept women (especially Westernized ones) for who they are; it's in their nature and you can't hold it against them.

In this day and age, it doesn't take much for a woman to put out.

Noir we absolutely do not have to accept behavior we dont agree with! And yes I can absolutely hold it against them! In fact I would argue it is against womens nature to sleep with a guy that they have known for an hour or less. From an evolutionary stand point it makes no sense!

IMO the point of this forum is to discuss ways we can better ourselves. Part of that betterment is becoming more knowledgeable about women and their behaviors both positive and negative. Armed with this knowledge the goal is to attain and maintain fulfilling and enriching relationships with the best quality of women. Whether that be in your home country or abroad.

Something about a woman sleeping with me after knowing me for an hour or less, just does not instill confidence in me that she is high value.

[XPQ22]

I don't think that just because a women hooks up with you fast, that she's necessarily bad material for a LTR.

First rationale: isn't that part of the point of learning good game to begin with? Even in today's difficult social-media saturated environment, it doesn't really take a whole lot of effort in the scheme of things to get a club sloot to put out. But you want better quality, so you work on improving yourself, your game, and your life, and suddenly you're out on a date with an attractive girl who seems otherwise "normal" but is ready to go with you in a couple hours.

Does that automatically mean she must be a secret slut taking notches to the heavens, or that maybe your game was just devastatingly effective? That she has sexual needs too, but maybe recently got out of a LTR and has been on eight dates with total chodes in the past two months and is getting despondent?

I mean jeez, if girls holding out on you and you needing to orbit and take them on dinner dates over and over before they finally shrug and say "Eh, good enough" is what you really want...you don't really need game for that!

Quote:

Something about a woman sleeping with me after knowing me for an hour or less, just does not instill confidence in me that she is high value.

Yeah, I mean less than an hour seems pretty off-the-wall. I don't think I've ever banged a girl on a first date I didn't essentially spend the entire evening with prior. But I think smart girls know that if they even want a high-value man, they need to move fairly rapidly. Hamsters don't recognize this, they think they're the shit and God's gift and that high-value men are just gonna orbit them forever until they decide to put out. Then they rationalize the guys who wouldn't see them past date 2 without sex as "players", and wonder why the guy they made wait six dates for it turns out to be needy and goofy. Sigh, there are no good men left.

Second rationale: Sexual incompatibility is a big reason for LTR failure, too, and I think the brighter girls know this as well. Why would I even want to option him if he's a bad lay? What happens when I finally decide to put out and he has a tiny, messed-up looking dick? Hmm.

The girl I dated for most of college put out on our first night together (though we spoken casually a few times before), and we were a couple for the better part of three years. She was very devoted to me and AFAIK didn't cheat, or at least never gave any obvious tells that she had.

"Wait for it" girls aren't worth very much, IMO. For my part, my notion of a woman's suitability for a LTR (or any purpose really) actually decreases the longer she holds out on me, and it starts zipping downward really fast if I spend most of an evening with her and not much happens. Even with the "good girls" - You can't negotiate attraction. I have to judge her suitability from other data.

Nothing worse than some 30 y/o chick who decides that she has to make me wait for it because she gave it up so easy to so many guys before and got tired of being pump-n-dump material and "found herself" - you act like you "worth it" but I can tell you really a ho. I'll take my chances with the girl who seems genuinely attracted to me and is ready to go pretty quickly, thanks; she might well be way less of a slut than the former. Once Western girls start getting up there in years, I don't think how long she feels she should make a guy wait on it is a particularly good indicator of anything.

[Travesty]

Man guys back in the day had the right solution. Multiple wives of all flavors.

[Oilrig]

I think it depends. A good girl can sleep with you on the first date but will likely put up a lot of resistance to go back to your place and to have sex. A good girl might go back to your place and have sex but she would need to be be drunk and probably regret it in the morning, since that's something she wouldn't do sober.

However, I think it's pretty easy to tell from the get go if a girl is a slut and has done this many times before. Sluts usually bring up sex on the first date or maybe before, and hint that she likes to be fucked and has a high sex drive. Also, it's easy to tell a girl who's experienced/slutty in the bedroom when you're banging her. An inexperienced good girl type will be shy/nervous and not know what to do typically.

So the answer is it just depends.

[Oilrig]

I think it depends. A good girl can sleep with you on the first date but will likely put up a lot of resistance to go back to your place and to have sex. A good girl might go back to your place and have sex but she would need to be be drunk and probably regret it in the morning, since that's something she wouldn't do sober.

However, I think it's pretty easy to tell from the get go if a girl is a slut and has done this many times before. Sluts usually bring up sex on the first date or maybe before, and hint that she likes to be fucked and has a high sex drive. Also, it's easy to tell a girl who's experienced/slutty in the bedroom when you're banging her. An inexperienced good girl type will be shy/nervous and not know what to do typically.

So the answer is it just depends.

[HustleNomad]

(02-11-2016 02:39 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

I've only got one question for the guys in this thread saying they would/have been in an LTR with a sloot they banged on the first date...




How'd it work out for you?

Banged on the first date. She was feminine, one of the most supportive people I have ever met, loyal, great dynamic, and I had good frame (or so I think)... until just before the 2 year LTR mark when I was out of town for a week.

She thought I was arriving home the next day, I arrived that night to surprise her. Her, me, and the dude who's dick was inside her as I walked in all got a surprise. Straight out of a movie scene. I found out later that he knew we were together, he persisted/she "resisted" the whole week I was gone until toward the end she eventually gave in (while drunk).

"Loyal"

Tore me apart at the time, but it really opened my eyes and I don't regret it happening one bit. Whatever pieces of the red pill I hadn't already swallowed got ingrained, I left the country to go travelling indefinitely, and my business exploded within a month of me taking flight. Couldn't have ended better really.

I'm only early 20s, but glad I learnt the lesson early. It would have been a lot worse if we were 30 and married+kids. She could cheat and keep half my shit and force my offspring to deal with split parents.

The lack of impulse control is the killer... it's a ticking timebomb just waiting for the right situation and the right guy to be there while you are not.

Yeah, screening this way is a paradox - try to fuck her as quickly as possible, and if she gives in on the first date then she loses value in your eyes.
But I don't give a fuck. Lesson learnt. Next time I know what I'm screening for... suckers get fed to the wolves.

[WestIndianArchie]

" The lack of impulse control is the killer... it's a ticking timebomb just waiting for the right situation and the right guy to be there while you are not. "

It's not a personal quality, it's endemic to the species.

WIA

[Rhyme or Reason]

The ego driven male hamstering in this thread is off the charts.

(10-09-2016 05:38 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

I don't think that just because a women hooks up with you fast, that she's necessarily bad material for a LTR.

Did you not just make a post a month or so ago saying you looked through your LTR's phone, and found evidence she was cheating? Did you not learn that lesson?

(10-09-2016 05:38 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Does that automatically mean she must be a secret slut taking notches to the heavens, or that maybe your game was just devastatingly effective?

I'm not trying to indict anyone's game here, I don't doubt you've gotten good, but...


If you seriously believe a girl who fucks you on the first date doesn't engage in this behavior on the regular, you are a fool!


I repeat: A FOOL! An egotistical one at that.


How many times have we all heard "I never do this!" So now we're believing it?

(10-09-2016 05:38 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

First rationale: isn't that part of the point of learning good game to begin with? Even in today's difficult social-media saturated environment, it doesn't really take a whole lot of effort in the scheme of things to get a club sloot to put out.

I don't think anyone is going to argue that the point of game is to get laid. However, as I've said before once your game is solid you can then be choosier with whom you start an LTR. What the player does with this advantage is up to him. If you're making the argument that club rats make good LTR material, well then I'm not sure what to tell you.

(10-09-2016 05:38 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Nothing worse than some 30 y/o chick who decides that she has to make me wait for it because she gave it up so easy to so many guys before and got tired of being pump-n-dump material and "found herself" - you act like you "worth it" but I can tell you really a ho. I'll take my chances with the girl who seems genuinely attracted to me and is ready to go pretty quickly, thanks; she might well be way less of a slut than the former. Once Western girls start getting up there in years, I don't think how long she feels she should make a guy wait on it is a particularly good indicator of anything.

If you see that lustful look in her eye and recognize it for what it is, you'll have no problems. Any game aware guy knows that look, and knows when a chick has a genuine attraction to him as opposed to a beta bux type "attraction" and should act in accordance with his goals. Nobody is saying the wall-smashing opportunist is worthy of an LTR here.

The rest of XPBlue22's post is classic projection of male thought process into what he thinks a woman's thought process is. It's not nearly as logical.


Another point; if you're not married, don't have kids, then by what metric could you consider your relationship "successful"?

If a married poster like The Black Knight or Leonard want to comment here and tell us all about how they smashed their wive's in the back alley of a bar on the first night, I will rescind everything I've said here, but what are the chances that's going to happen?

[Ogunn]

(10-10-2016 03:37 PM)HustleNomad Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 02:39 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

I've only got one question for the guys in this thread saying they would/have been in an LTR with a sloot they banged on the first date...




How'd it work out for you?

Banged on the first date. She was feminine, one of the most supportive people I have ever met, loyal, great dynamic, and I had good frame (or so I think)... until just before the 2 year LTR mark when I was out of town for a week.

She thought I was arriving home the next day, I arrived that night to surprise her. Her, me, and the dude who's dick was inside her as I walked in all got a surprise. Straight out of a movie scene. I found out later that he knew we were together, he persisted/she "resisted" the whole week I was gone until toward the end she eventually gave in (while drunk).

"Loyal"

Tore me apart at the time, but it really opened my eyes and I don't regret it happening one bit. Whatever pieces of the red pill I hadn't already swallowed got ingrained, I left the country to go travelling indefinitely, and my business exploded within a month of me taking flight. Couldn't have ended better really.

I'm only early 20s, but glad I learnt the lesson early. It would have been a lot worse if we were 30 and married+kids. She could cheat and keep half my shit and force my offspring to deal with split parents.

The lack of impulse control is the killer... it's a ticking timebomb just waiting for the right situation and the right guy to be there while you are not.

Yeah, screening this way is a paradox - try to fuck her as quickly as possible, and if she gives in on the first date then she loses value in your eyes.
But I don't give a fuck. Lesson learnt. Next time I know what I'm screening for... suckers get fed to the wolves.

As messed up as that situation was. It sounds like you learned from it and it has made you a better person.

[Ogunn]

(10-10-2016 04:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

" The lack of impulse control is the killer... it's a ticking timebomb just waiting for the right situation and the right guy to be there while you are not. "

It's not a personal quality, it's endemic to the species.

WIA

WIA you hit the nail on the head!

How can a woman truly be loyal and withstand the test of time if she has no impulse control?

IMO she cant!

[Euphoric_Breeze]

(01-12-2016 12:02 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

Worse is a girl who doesn't fuck you on the first date but then you find out later normally does fuck on the first date.

I used to think about this for literally all my first dates. Thing is, when I focused on this aspect, I had a 90% likelihood of sex not happening.

In other words, it puts a tremendous pressure on your shoulders not to fuck up and you're forced to display advanced game. Deep inside, I knew that this chick could bang on the first date but all I got was a makeout.

Truth is, you don't wanna feel hurt if you don't bang, because you're not experienced enough. However, it could happen in some social settings where alcohol is involved.

[kaotic]

The struggle - fuck every girl you can as fast as you can but find a girl who doesn't fuck on the first date and suddenly she's supposed to be LTR material ?

So finger blasting her or getting head doesn't count ? "Almost sex" but not sex ?

She totally doesn't do that with other guys right ?

But she didn't have sex on the first date so she's a good girl and LTR ?

In my eyes AWALT period.

I've fucked girls on first dates that ended being good girls and chill.

I've fucked girls on second/third dates that ended up being shady as fuck.


It's on YOU to screen these hoes, first day bang or not.

[kirdiesel]

Ive never wifed up a girl who I banged on the first date but I would be VERY SKEPTICAL if i pulled it off on the first try. As good as I think my game might be I'm not a celebrity nor millionaire and im her last chance at fame or wealth to throw all inhibitions to the wind.

Most likely if shes doing it with you shes done it with another guy like that.

[Philosopher]

(01-12-2016 09:50 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Disagree.

To be LTR material, a girl needs to:

A) be of high quality (attractive, kind, caring, loyal, etc)
B) be capable of genuine attraction towards a good man (i.e. feel repulsed by bad boys)

How fast she sleeps with you doesn't have much bearing on those factors.

Took the words right out of my head. Have had great LTRs with girls with who I slept with on the first night. They sometimes have very traditional gender views and just happened to like me a lot. But this was in Russia and Ukraine - not USA

[XPQ22]

(10-10-2016 04:29 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

The ego driven male hamstering in this thread is off the charts.

Did you not just make a post a month or so ago saying you looked through your LTR's phone, and found evidence she was cheating? Did you not learn that lesson?

Yeah, which is why I didn't end up LTR-ing her any more than I did. I said it was just an unreliable indicator, not that every girl out there who has sex quickly must be as much a saint as anyone else. And I provided what to my mind was a perfectly reasonable counterexample.

(10-09-2016 05:38 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

I'm not trying to indict anyone's game here, I don't doubt you've gotten good, but...


If you seriously believe a girl who fucks you on the first date doesn't engage in this behavior on the regular, you are a fool!


I repeat: A FOOL! An egotistical one at that.


How many times have we all heard "I never do this!" So now we're believing it?

Sure, and the ones who say that are the ones who give me pause, as there's a reason they're telling the lie. A form of "The lady doth protest too much."

What about the ones that don't? Do they not say it because they're all sluts and don't care if you think so, or because it's not even something they're worried that a guy would be thinking about?

I know the girl I dated in college only had one partner before me, and I don't recall her ever doing that "I never do this! (omg omg please don't think I'm a slut)" thing, even though we hooked up rapidly. I mean sure, maybe she took 20 other cocks before me and I never knew about it. Anything's possible, I guess.

(10-09-2016 05:38 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

I don't think anyone is going to argue that the point of game is to get laid. However, as I've said before once your game is solid you can then be choosier with whom you start an LTR. What the player does with this advantage is up to him. If you're making the argument that club rats make good LTR material, well then I'm not sure what to tell you.

I don't believe I said that.

Quote:

If you see that lustful look in her eye and recognize it for what it is, you'll have no problems. Any game aware guy knows that look, and knows when a chick has a genuine attraction to him as opposed to a beta bux type "attraction" and should act in accordance with his goals. Nobody is saying the wall-smashing opportunist is worthy of an LTR here.

The rest of XPBlue22's post is classic projection of male thought process into what he thinks a woman's thought process is. It's not nearly as logical.

Another point; if you're not married, don't have kids, then by what metric could you consider your relationship "successful"?

If a married poster like The Black Knight or Leonard want to comment here and tell us all about how they smashed their wive's in the back alley of a bar on the first night, I will rescind everything I've said here, but what are the chances that's going to happen?

I can't say I've ever smashed a girl in the back alley of a bar, that's for sure, but that's a straw-man argument and isn't at all descriptive of the kind of situations I find myself in.

You can call me "blue pill" if you want, but I'll describe the setup and perhaps we'll understand each other better. I'm in my late 30s, and for various reasons I'm simply not logistically equipped for marriage, much less children. Perhaps that means all my relationships of any type are "unsuccessful" by some definition; I think that's unfair, but okay I can take the point. However, I'm a guy who likes having sex. So, what are my options (assuming marriage and celibacy are not on the table)

A) Just bang out the fast hookup girls every once in a while. Do ONS stuff exclusively. I think that's a bad option. It's not a very good payout for the effort and risk required to get anything resembling regular sex out of that tactic.

B) Spin plates. Have several girls/fuckbuddies on rotation that you see for a few months at a time, when one begins to get too uppity or demand too much you next her, and rotate another into her place while continually hunting for more supply. It's an okay idea, except it's physically, emotionally, monetarily, and time-expenditure EXHAUSTING - at least it was for me. I tried keeping just two girls on at the same time I was seeing once a week, and also keeping my game up, hitting up online dating sites, and going out at night because I knew they weren't likely to stick around forever, and to not start feeling needy I had to keep soliciting other options. I ended up in the boyfriend role with one of them in a major way pretty much because it was too much work, like a part-time job. I couldn't keep the "option pipeline" full, but I still wanted regular sex.

C) A monogamous LTR with somebody. Okay, so now we hit the issue you bring up of "There's no point to it unless marriage and kids is on the table", and "How do I find a 'good girl'" who hasn't had too many notches worthy of such a thing. I know for my part, that's going to involve a lot of hard work, and if I devote all my time to that it means not getting laid. So you could combine the unicorn-hunt with option B). Great, now relationships are a full-time job. Or get into some kind of monogamous LTR with a girl who has taken her share of dicks in the past, but this is an unforgivable red pill sin.

D) Some kind of open polyamory thing where we do all the boyfriend-girlfriend stuff, but just agree to bang other people. If I tell a girl I'm not going to commit to her after X number of months, but we keep hanging out, it would be foolish of me to believe she wouldn't take it as a license to do whatever she wanted. Yuck. Feels like a license to be cucked, though maybe some girls would use more restraint than others.

My ego tells me that there simply isn't any perfect solution, and that if I'm getting laid at all with the life I currently have, it means I'm compromising somewhere. To be happy in the present moment, I feel I must accept this and just do what feels right and "least worst" at a given time.

[dopvlur]

I disagree, to me it´s more important HOW happened, if alcohol was involved, instadate, in a club, zero date recipe, how skilled she was, submissive, post-sex talk, dirty talk, bj, rawdog, anal, if she swallows. A red flag to consider without a doubt.

[Ogunn]

[quote] (10-10-2016 09:44 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

[quote='Red_Pillage' pid='1414986' dateline='1476134968']

I'm a guy who likes having sex. So, what are my options (assuming marriage and celibacy are not on the table)

A) Just bang out the fast hookup girls every once in a while. Do ONS stuff exclusively. I think that's a bad option. It's not a very good payout for the effort and risk required to get anything resembling regular sex out of that tactic.

B) Spin plates. Have several girls/fuckbuddies on rotation that you see for a few months at a time, when one begins to get too uppity or demand too much you next her, and rotate another into her place while continually hunting for more supply. It's an okay idea, except it's physically, emotionally, monetarily, and time-expenditure EXHAUSTING - at least it was for me. I tried keeping just two girls on at the same time I was seeing once a week, and also keeping my game up, hitting up online dating sites, and going out at night because I knew they weren't likely to stick around forever, and to not start feeling needy I had to keep soliciting other options. I ended up in the boyfriend role with one of them in a major way pretty much because it was too much work, like a part-time job. I couldn't keep the "option pipeline" full, but I still wanted regular sex.

C) A monogamous LTR with somebody. Okay, so now we hit the issue you bring up of "There's no point to it unless marriage and kids is on the table", and "How do I find a 'good girl'" who hasn't had too many notches worthy of such a thing. I know for my part, that's going to involve a lot of hard work, and if I devote all my time to that it means not getting laid. So you could combine the unicorn-hunt with option B). Great, now relationships are a full-time job. Or get into some kind of monogamous LTR with a girl who has taken her share of dicks in the past, but this is an unforgivable red pill sin.

D) Some kind of open polyamory thing where we do all the boyfriend-girlfriend stuff, but just agree to bang other people. If I tell a girl I'm not going to commit to her after X number of months, but we keep hanging out, it would be foolish of me to believe she wouldn't take it as a license to do whatever she wanted. Yuck. Feels like a license to be cucked, though maybe some girls would use more restraint than others.

My ego tells me that there simply isn't any perfect solution, and that if I'm getting laid at all with the life I currently have, it means I'm compromising somewhere. To be happy in the present moment, I feel I must accept this and just do what feels right and "least worst" at a given time.[/quote]

XPQ22 many of us on this forum face the same dilemma. We want quality women in our lives, but are not willing or unable to enter into a LTR at our particular stage in life. Many of us are focusing on building businesses/careers, reaching fitness goals etc. Time is at premium in our lives and must be spent wisely.

After reading the options you outlined. I believe you left an important one out.

OPTION E) Build a solid social circle that regularly supplies you with quality women.

I know a few guys that despite having little to no game post numbers almost as good as hardcore gamers and it is all through their social circles. The crazy thing is that these guys put in less effort and time to achieve these results.

These guys and I are all part of the same groups that enjoy the same hobbies and outings. These groups constantly attract new people with similar interests. Over the last 8 I have been able to grow social circle exponentially.

The trick they taught me is how to use FB, INST and SC in ways that make me stand out. I regularly update my profile pics. I post pictures and videos of me out with friends enjoying fun activities. Here is a tip, posts that include a clear pic of my face having fun, pics with me and a group of guys and gals, pics of me with beautiful women, and travel pics seem to get the most attention. I also like comments and pics of other men and women in the group. You will be surprised how much of this gets noticed by many female followers and their friends!

IMO the best thing to do is to keep gaming and work on building your social circle. You can use girls from one to provide social proof/preselection for the other. High value girls that you meet from gaming can be introduced to your social circle. Going out with a group of guy and gal friends from your social circle makes gaming women much easier.

I recommend combining this strategy with Option B and keep it down to 2 -3 at a time. The best thing about Social Circle game is if you are honest and open from the beginning. You will be able to keep many of these women as friends even after your relationship is over. Which in my opinion is more beneficial than a ONS that stops providing any value once the night is over.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Currently social circle has been my only blind spot until recently, got all the other avenue's pretty much covered and they come pretty natural for me. When I moved away from my familiar digs, I never took the time to rebuild a social network.

1/3 is due to laziness, 1/3 because I'm relocating soon another 1/3 is because I'm relatively happy with my other methods to meet new talent.

Even though I prefer lone-wolfing...Still no excuse. Good reminder

[Leonard D Neubache]

This thread is an interesting read but it really lacks details that would help resolve it. People are arguing apples and oranges without really realising it.

LTR. What are we talking here? Routine non-comittal sex? Monogomous marriage? Something in between? Obviously the former carries little risk, so why not? However the latter (exaggerated example) is obviously something considerably more dangerous to gamble on.

Lead-up. What are we talking about here? An enchanting Disney-esque romantic evening where true love blooms or a cold approach at a bar once the beer-goggles have been donned?

The sex. What are we talking about here? A spiritual meeting of nubile bodies on a picnic blanket on the first night of spring in a blossoming orchard or a drunken ass-fuck in the dumpster behind the fish market?

History. What are we talking about here? A virgin (beyond reasonable doubt) or career jizz magnet?

Needs (ie future dangers). What are we talking about here? A young well-to-do owner of a successful kitten store or a single mother of three pushing 40 years of age while waiting tables at the budget version of hooters?

Arguing for one all encompassing rule on this issue is crazy talk. It's reasonable to say that MOST first date bangs will not be good LTR material, but not ALL first date bangs are going to be bad LTR material, particularly if your understanding of an LTR doesn't involve buying a dog.

Hell, if your understanding of LTR runs to the equivalent of "plate" then why not have an LTR with all of them (time permitting).

Alternately we can argue about something else intangible, like which flavour of ice cream is indisputably the best.

[The Natural]

If she bangs on the first night, shes probably banged 20+ blokes.
I wont date a girl whos had any one night stands but each to their own. I actually have a super strict criteria for a gf, which makes it hard to find suitable chicas. But so it should be why would someone sacrifice absolute freedom of being single and able to do what we like for something less than perfect their eyes and of course girls will lie.

21-30 (Im 26)
Bisexual
8/10+
No one night stand History
No more than 3 dicks prior

[Ogunn]

I am not sure what a first night bang means to everyone.

To me a first night bang means sleeping with a girl with no prior interaction in under 2 hours or less. I would not consider it a first night bang if we already knew each other through work or social circle, then had sex on the first date.

I also believe there are exceptions. For example, if we meet at a venue where we instantly click and interact for a couple of hours. Then we bounce to the second venue where we dance, talk, drink, and make out for a couple more hours. After all that, ending up in the sack seems like a natural progression to me. So I wouldn’t hold it against her in that situation.

Another situation is if due to bad logistics we talk on the phone 3 to 5 times before we meet. We click on the phone and build a lot of comfort. Then when we meet, the chemistry is so good we end up bumping uglies on the first date. I would not hold it against her.

In analyzing my own answers, I realize I will take a woman more seriously. If I see she is putting some effort into screening me. If I think all she is just reacting to is my looks and slick talk then I will put her in the, probably not LTR material category.

[kaotic]

(10-12-2016 07:47 AM)The Natural Wrote:  

If she bangs on the first night, shes probably banged 20+ blokes.
I wont date a girl whos had any one night stands but each to their own. I actually have a super strict criteria for a gf, which makes it hard to find suitable chicas. But so it should be why would someone sacrifice absolute freedom of being single and able to do what we like for something less than perfect their eyes and of course girls will lie.

21-30 (Im 26)
Bisexual
8/10+
No one night stand History
No more than 3 dicks prior

A 21-30 bisexual girl - whose hot and has options ?

If she's bisexual, odds are she's had ONS and "experimented" in threesomes and devil threesomes.

If she's an 8+ she gets dick thrown at her on the daily, likely she's used her looks/sex to get things or advance herself.

You're basically looking at a young wild and free (21-30) girl who in no way would have 3 dicks before you or didn't have a ONS.

That's like finding a unicorn. It's possible but not likely.

[Rhyme or Reason]

@XP

It's not a straw man. If you want to talk about successful relationships, I don't think it's unfair to say kids and monogamy are the end goal. What, other than that, could possibly be construed as a success?

A 2 year relationship?

5 years?

10?

20?

30?

What's the point in it all? I've only had 2 relationships (long ones) 1.5 years, 2.5 years, and most recently, 6 months. They all ended. Ergo I've never had a successful relationship. What did I get? A lot of wasted time and nagging. End of the day? NET NEGATIVE.


The biological point of sex is reproduction. We are all just circumventing the system to get pleasure out of it without the drawbacks. Women do the same. The world's a fucked up place I guess.