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I'm reading about there being at least 15 government informants among the defendants and only two were outed so the rest are back in circulation.
Trust, but verify.
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12-23-2017, 01:10 PM
Necro time.
I'm on my phone, so I can't cut and paste this entire article. But you should read it - I give it my highest possible recommendation.
Title: The Government Has Screwed Up the Bundy Case Even Worse Than We Realized
First Paragraph: Update 12/20/17: US District Court Judge Gloria Navarro declared a mistrial on Wednesday in the prosecution of Cliven Bundy, his sons Ammon and Ryan, and Montana militiaman Ryan Payne, saying that the government had willfully withheld evidence from defense lawyers that was potentially helpful to their case, in violation of legal rules. Navarro set a new trial date of February 26, but that could change at a hearing scheduled for January if she decides the government’s conduct is so egregious that the charges should be dismissed entirely.
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My summary: A brilliant, experienced attorney representing the Bundys has gotten a combination of FOUR trials that have ended in acquittals/deadlocks/mistrials. And he's been using a legal defense that the government/Bureau of Land Management has complained "has no legal precedent", and therefore "shouldn't be allowed to be offered as a defense".
Which defense? Basically, a "Fuck You" defense, which states that he and his family were provoked into violence against the government by the massive (and arguably unnecessary) show of force by BLM against the Bundys. (Implied Sub-defense, the laws regarding grazing on public lands are arguably stupid, anyway, so we violated those because Fuck You.)
The best part? That "brilliant experienced lawyer" isn't a lawyer at all. He's one of the Defendants!
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12-23-2017, 02:45 PM
The fact that there were so many informants on the ground during the Oregon incident has me convinced that anything Richard Spencer, The Daily Stormer, or any popular white nationalist movement does must be completely infiltrated. When the takeover in Oregon was going down 9 FBI agents took up arms and pretended to help the Bundys. That is a staggering amount of informants participating in an armed takeover of public land.
I have noticed a lot of "terrorists" which are really aimless, sometimes mentally ill, men being egged on by the government to do something that gets them arrested. Some of these men are motivated idiots who left to their own devises would do little more than like Facebook posts-but someone from the FBI gets involved and suddenly they want to down an airliner with a SAM or blow up the Mall of America with fake explosives offered to them by FBI informants.
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12-23-2017, 03:03 PM
^
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This can be true for white anarchists and white environmentalists too.
The agent provocateurs are the only ones with any initiative or creativity.
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12-23-2017, 05:25 PM
^^^I cannot believe the FBI had an agent in it's elite squad who behaved so inappropriately and lied repeatedly. I am no fan of law enforcement but the FBI recruits from law schools and graduate schools just to be a field agent, and this dude from the Hostage unit (an Elite squad) just shits in the punch bowl like this? I have a few classmates that went into the FBI and they were sharp people, this dude is a disgrace.
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12-23-2017, 05:39 PM
Quote: (12-23-2017 02:45 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:
The fact that there were so many informants on the ground during the Oregon incident has me convinced that anything Richard Spencer, The Daily Stormer, or any popular white nationalist movement does must be completely infiltrated. When the takeover in Oregon was going down 9 FBI agents took up arms and pretended to help the Bundys. That is a staggering amount of informants participating in an armed takeover of public land.
I have noticed a lot of "terrorists" which are really aimless, sometimes mentally ill, men being egged on by the government to do something that gets them arrested. Some of these men are motivated idiots who left to their own devises would do little more than like Facebook posts-but someone from the FBI gets involved and suddenly they want to down an airliner with a SAM or blow up the Mall of America with fake explosives offered to them by FBI informants.
Well, this strategy is super effective. Taking down small time idiots is almost incidental to the real objective. The real objective is dissuading effective, competent men from even trying to get an organization off the ground. If you're intelligent enough to actually be a real threat to the government/TPTB you are also intelligent enough to realize finding like-minded individuals to join you without becoming ensnared by an LEO sting operation is an almost insurmountable obstacle.
Your only options then are to give up on the idea entirely or restrict yourself to lone wolf operations. Either way you are now a much lesser threat than you otherwise would have been, and that's before the notion of attacking the power structure even crossed the line from idle ideation to serious thinking. It's easy to see why the FBI is so enamored of entrapment tactics given how effective they are not only at putting retards behind bars but also deterring smarter adversaries. That we're even allowed to learn so many of these sting operations involved FBI informants is almost certainly by design.
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12-23-2017, 09:39 PM
Quote: (12-23-2017 05:21 PM)Kona Wrote:
Quote: (12-23-2017 03:03 PM)debeguiled Wrote:
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This can be true for white anarchists and white environmentalists too.
The agent provocateurs are the only ones with any initiative or creativity.
Or people on internet forums.
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12-24-2017, 08:13 AM
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^ We know.
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12-24-2017, 01:14 PM
Quote: (12-24-2017 08:13 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
Quote: (12-24-2017 03:05 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:
^ We know.
You serious?
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01-08-2018, 06:07 PM
Quote: (01-08-2018 04:20 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:
Quote: (12-24-2017 08:13 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
Quote: (12-24-2017 03:05 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:
^ We know.
You serious?
Want to help me open my second brothel, Leonard?
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01-08-2018, 06:40 PM
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All charges dismissed!
The level of corruption here was unbelievable.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/08/cha...issed.html
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A federal judge dismissed all charges against Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, his two sons and another man on Monday after accusing prosecutors of willfully withholding evidence from Bundy’s lawyers.
U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro cited "flagrant prosecutorial misconduct" in her decision to dismiss all charges against the Nevada rancher and three others.
"The court finds that the universal sense of justice has been violated," Navarro said.
The
opening statement from this trial from the son Ryan Bundy is truly a remarkable piece of American history and the fact that they have won against (Harry Reid's) corruption is worthy of celebration:
Thanks to the jurors for being here. I told you a little about myself at voir dire, but I’d like to introduce myself a little more, and tell you about my heritage and how that affects my case. (Projects a picture of his family - AND leaves it up throughout his statement!)
This is my ID! Not my driver’s license. This is who I am, a man with a family and I’ll do whatever it takes to provide for them. I want you to picture in your minds…you’re out on the land… I’ll take you to our ranch, you can see all the beauty of the land, the fresh air, sunsets and sunrises, the brush, you’re on a horse in front of the cattle - place yourself there - feel the freedom - out of the congestion of the cars - that’s how I was raised, playing in the river, we were called river-rats and that is where my life began and I hope ends.
My family has been on that land 141 years, my pioneer ancestors settled there in 1877 - there was nothing there. They carved out a living… they brought a horse and wagon and some provisions… this case, the government mentioned is “not about rights”, but it is - those rights do mean something - rights are created through beneficial use. When my ancestors arrived, undoubtedly the horse would need a drink, so they led him to the water and that is beneficial use. The horse and perhaps a cow that had been led behind the wagon need to eat some brush in the hills, that is beneficial use. That established rights. The water rights are real! So real, the State of Nevada has a water rights registry including livestock watering rights. A law was created to protect those rights. The water rights that my father owns were first registered in 1891 by the State of Nevada - the State of Nevada is important, a sovereign state, its own unit, which entered the union in 1864. It entered equal to the original states, it is its own entity and state laws are important.
My family and I are charged with some grievous things and they are not true and evidence will show they are not; force, manipulation, extortion, violent—my family is not a violent family and I am not a violent man. For 20+ years we turned to local law enforcement. Rights are real property. The fact is that we create government to protect rights.
To have rights you must claim, use and defend… man only has rights he is willing to claim, use and defend. There is a difference between rights and privileges. Rights you own. Privilege is afforded. Like renting or owning a house. Government asserts there are no rights, only privileges and unless we pay, we can’t be there. The State of Nevada says differently. These are my father’s rights. Everything we have comes from the land. That is wealth, not the dollar bill. The things we use all come from the land. Who controls the land, controls the wealth.
We create government to preserve and serve us. These are some of the beliefs of my family. That we have said we will do whatever it takes to defend is not a threat, it is a statement. Being right here before you today is part of doing whatever it takes. The Founding Fathers pledged whatever it would take… their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, to defend rights. With the evidence you will see that is what we were doing; there was no conspiracy to impede, to harm… but, to protect our heritage that our pioneer ancestors established. We were attacked, surrounded by what appeared to be mercenaries, snipers pointed directly at me. You will hear a report from a sniper that he was keeping watch of me in my van, with my wife and two of my daughters with me.
Our ranch - children are always welcome - it is a place to play, play in the river, the pond, chase or hunt rabbits, burn your toes in the hot sand in summer—always free. Never before did we feel like someone was always watching. In early spring of 2014 we felt like someone was always watching… the dogs were watching the hills, when you are always with a dog you get to know what they are saying with their bark… you can tell by their bark what they are seeing… surveillance cameras on one hill, but the dog looking at another and growling… (tearfully) This is not what America is supposed to be. Supposed to be a land of liberty. The Founding Fathers fought and bled so we wouldn’t have to and now we find ourselves in a similar situation.
They say this issue is over grazing fees… it’s terrible, terrible, he must be a freeloader - it’s only rhetoric - I’ll tell you why - You don’t pay rent when you own your home! We own those rights! Not the land, I know we don’t own the land, but access…you and others have rights on that land. We own water and grazing rights. We don’t pay rent for something we own.
The BLM was formed in 1960. Our rights were established in 1877, long before BLM. The original states own 100% of their land and all states were to come in on equal footing. The crux of the issue is, are we a state or not? They say grazing is a privilege they can revoke and charge fees. If it is only a matter of money it is no problem. In fact, Mr. Whipple showed a copy of a check made out to Clark County. If the whole purpose is to show we owe a fee, then we’ll pay to the proper owner of the land. That was not the only check written to Clark County, we sent several. Also, in Clark County, there were 53 ranchers who owned rights. There is only a single one still out on the range. The BLM is not gaining revenue, it’s not important to them. My father could see they were there to manage him out of business. It’s not about grazing fees. In the BLM office there were signs that read: No more Moo by ‘92 and Cattle Free by ‘93! If it were only about the grazing fees, the fees would have been under $100,000 over 25 years. It is rumored, it may not be seen in evidence, but it is rumored that they spent $6 million on the operation. Who spends that and court costs rumored to be over $100 million to collect $100,000?
What is this about? The court orders. They say my father had an opportunity in the courts. The court wouldn’t consider states rights. They have forgotten they are servants of the people. We the people are the sovereign and ultimately, we the people are the government formed to meet needs that are better met by a group than by individuals. We are not slaves. We need to remember that. I think that’s forgotten. The definition of freedom is lost in America. When we have to have a license or ask permission to do everything, we are subjects.
Back to the charges - they claimed I went to Richfield and that the sheriff had to be called because we were causing such a ruckus—evidence will show otherwise—we boycott to influence to change ways - we protest to cause a change - these are first amendment rights - we do not get rights from the Bill of Rights - we have rights to begin with - it should be called the Prohibition of Government - we have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, we can petition for a redress of grievances—rights we don’t want the government to mess with.
A redress is to find an answer, find a solution - one way to protest. The BLM put up first amendment zones - not much bigger than this courtroom - we called them pig pens - by creating that area, they were denying our right everywhere else - that’s what they used to arrest my brother - he was outside the pig pens. The first amendment has been protected over and over again in our history. There’s lots of media in the gallery today, they wouldn’t be happy to have their right to free speech taken. First amendment was put in the Supreme Law of the land, the Constitution - they shall make no law restricting these things… as you saw in the video yesterday, my brother was not impeding, not blocking, he was on a state road, on its right-of-way, simply to take pictures with his ipad of them stealing our cattle - they attacked him, threw him to the ground, rubbed his face in the ground. (emotional) The American public saw this and came not to impede or do harm. They came because they felt the spirit of the Lord, spirit of freedom and felt “we the people are not going to put up with that behavior”. It was not pointed out there were snipers on the hill, I witnessed that through binoculars and the evidence will show this.
Back to Richfield, Utah, evidence and witness testimony will show there was not a ruckus there that disrupted or shut down that auction. I called the sheriff - that’s the pattern - the local law enforcement and state brand inspectors in Nevada, Arizona and Utah and I had contact with the highway patrol, county commissioners in several counties and state officials - not all face to face, but some through phone calls. Is this what a criminal does? No. We were there protecting life, liberty, property. You saw the video of them hip chucking my Aunt Margaret, 50+ years of and just finished with cancer treatments, the mother of 11 children. They call these BLM guys law enforcement, but they are just BLM employees. All authority comes from we the people, we delegate authority to the county sheriff who we elect and he hires deputies and we then have a sheriff’s department to protect our life, our liberty, our property. Choosing for yourself is freedom and we have no right to impede or harm others. That’s God’s law. Man-made law is to follow that. Man is supposed to be free, not controlled, serfs or slaves. Government is to be our servant. The government went in and shut down 600,000 acres - not one of us ever went into their enclosed area and never impeded them. Even my brother driving into the dump truck… isn’t that impediment? The court order did not allow destruction of water infrastructure. What was a dump truck doing out there? Since that was beyond the scope of the supposed court order, we had a right to know. They could have stopped and answered our questions, but no, they set out attack dogs and tazers and threw Aunt Margaret to the ground. Every incident they are charging us with happened on property that belonged to the State of Nevada. Even if BLM had authority to close public land, they have no authority to close State of Nevada public land. The fence was on the State of Nevada land. Except by invitation, you will not see one of us breach that fence or impede the gather. We did not violate the court order. Dave went over the fence by the invitation of Dan Love and then the sheriff took over and asked for our help to take down the fence and then the cowboys, led by sheriffs squad cars went to release the cattle. The sheriff honored his oath and did his job. He should have done it sooner.
I love my family. I love them. I love this land. I love freedom. I am from the State of Nevada. I’m a true Nevadan. I mentioned before that Nevada became a state on Oct. 31st and we always got out of school on that day… I always thought we got out because it was my birthday. I’m a true Nevadan. I believe you are, too, and love freedom as much as I do. Freedom’s not being lost overseas - it’s lost right here at home in our back yards, our front yards. Until we are willing to do whatever it takes, liberty will be, is being lost. We are not anti-government! Government has its proper place and duties to perform. I want government to do its job. Nothing more. Nothing less. When government does more or less than its job, it becomes the criminal. When government damages our rights, it becomes the criminal. When someone harms or damages another’s life, liberty or property that is the definition of a criminal. Extortion, violence, pointing guns - everything we are charged with, they were doing and thousands of people came running - the world knew about this - China, Ireland (they sent us a flag), New Zealand and other countries - why? Because America stood for freedom and has for years and the world is interested in seeing how America (emotional) will deal with freedom. The world wants to know. The American people said, “yes, we will stand for freedom. Government, you’ve gone too far and we will put a stop to it.”
The courts have a place. It is said that We the People are the fourth branch of government. I say we are the first. The legislature to make laws, the executive to execute laws and the judicial to judge. All three branches are to protect your rights, our rights, freedom, liberty. Government does not have the authority in and of itself - man creates government to fulfill and protect rights. We the people give government the authority through the Constitution. The tenth amendment insures state’s rights.
Evidence will show my father and my brothers are innocent men. We need you to put on that paper that we are not guilty. You are the twelve to represent us, peers, equals, people…we the People.
Guns…lots of guns…scary…camo…freedom of speech…also, the right to bear arms, the second amendment…a militia was necessary. What is a militia? It is defined in the law. U.S. Code defines militia: “all able bodied men 17-45 years of age”. How many of you are a member of the militia? State of Nevada extended that and includes men up to the age of 64. How many of you now are a member of the Nevada militia? There is the organized militia, the National Guard and the unorganized militia - everyone else. Why did the Founding Fathers include the second amendment? Was it for duck hunting? No…no! Militia is mentioned six times in the Constitution. Such a small document and few things are mentioned more than the militia; the central government of this union and yet media or whatever wants to put a bad face on militia. Why did militia come to Bundy Ranch? To peacefully assemble, redress of grievances. No one was harmed except Davey, Ammon and Margaret. You will not see in evidence that we ever harmed anyone! They attack and we turned the other cheek. We were peaceful—insistent? Yes! And, Yes! Demanding. These men, these people did not come to seek an opportunity to point guns at the government. Hundreds, even thousands of people we didn’t know. That’s exemplary. These people came to do good. To protect me, to save my life. I had a sniper pointing at me, 200 armed men surrounding my home, my family (tearfully) Ryan Payne has been portrayed as a bad man. Evidence will show otherwise. He saved my life. He saved my life. Others came. I didn’t even meet most of them until I was in jail with them, may have seen them in passing, but I didn’t know them until jail. I honor and thank them now! I thank all who came. We only have rights we are willing to fight for. You’ll see evidence that I was nearly always with the sheriff or a deputy - always in communication with them - I was side-by-side with Lombardo.
Thank you for coming, for being here. I will still do whatever it takes. This is not a threat, it is determination. I love my freedom. Listen to the still small voice to discern between truth and error. The indictment and grand jury testimony is full of lies. Truth has been blocked in previous trials. Listen closely - we will try to get you the truth. The truth will set me free and I’m counting on you to help me see that.
I invite you to our ranch. I recognize your right to use the land. We want you to come and enjoy it. I thank you for this time. Please find me not guilty and these other men not guilty. Stand up for freedom. Thank you.
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01-09-2018, 01:41 AM
He represented himself against the federal government and WON. Wow. If you knew federal prosecutions you would be speechless like me.Wow....
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01-09-2018, 02:39 AM
Amid the celebration, I should point out a note of caution: this was not some grand statement against Federal government overreach by a jury of the people of the United States.
Never forget, the jury did not get to decide the Bundys' fate on its own merits. When you read that opening statement, it is apparent that the Bundys essentially were calling for jury nullification -- for the jury to make a protest vote against a legal system that is unfair as hell, a protest vote in the form of a not guilty verdict not due to the facts of the case, but due to the wider issue of the unfairness of the system that allowed them to be charged in the first place. They did not get the chance to hear what the jury thought about the concept, because the trial judge prevented it, as follows:
The presiding judge declared a mistrial, that the prosecution had fucked up so monumentally it was impossible for the Bundys to get a fair trial from that point on. The prosecution essentially did not disclose evidence that the Bundys could have relied on in their trial, and positively lied about the existence of some of it. Never forget, it's not the crime that does you in, it's always the cover-up. Insofar as this case might have wider ramifications, it might make prosecutors disclose a larger array of evidence - both incriminatory and exculpatory - to someone charged with a crime, but this essentially has been an administrative transaction and has prevented anyone asking the bigger question about why the laws in place exist at all.
Going this way, the judge very likely calculated that she'd avoid an embarrassing not guilty via nullification on her record, and would leave the BLM the dignity-saving rationalisation that their case was thrown out on a "technicality" and that the Bundys were "always" "guilty" but that the law is an ass.
That aside, the opening statement deserves careful study by any advocate. I don't know what Gerry Spence's view has been on this case, but you can see many of the elements he says comprise a successful argument in that address: tell stories. Ask someone plainly for what you want. Complete mastery of the facts. Being open and real about what you're feeling. Use turns of phrase - the Prohibition of Government. Using the acronym BLM was a good shitlording move, it associates the Bureau of Land Management with the terrorist organisation known as Black Lives Matter.
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01-09-2018, 02:58 AM
Quote: (01-09-2018 02:39 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:
Amid the celebration, I should point out a note of caution: this was not some grand statement against Federal government overreach by a jury of the people of the United States.
Never forget, the jury did not get to decide the Bundys' fate on its own merits. When you read that opening statement, it is apparent that the Bundys essentially were calling for jury nullification -- for the jury to make a protest vote against a legal system that is unfair as hell, a protest vote in the form of a not guilty verdict not due to the facts of the case, but due to the wider issue of the unfairness of the system that allowed them to be charged in the first place. They did not get the chance to hear what the jury thought about the concept, because the trial judge prevented it, as follows:
The presiding judge declared a mistrial, that the prosecution had fucked up so monumentally it was impossible for the Bundys to get a fair trial from that point on. The prosecution essentially did not disclose evidence that the Bundys could have relied on in their trial, and positively lied about the existence of some of it. Never forget, it's not the crime that does you in, it's always the cover-up. Insofar as this case might have wider ramifications, it might make prosecutors disclose a larger array of evidence - both incriminatory and exculpatory - to someone charged with a crime, but this essentially has been an administrative transaction and has prevented anyone asking the bigger question about why the laws in place exist at all.
Going this way, the judge very likely calculated that she'd avoid an embarrassing not guilty via nullification on her record, and would leave the BLM the dignity-saving rationalisation that their case was thrown out on a "technicality" and that the Bundys were "always" "guilty" but that the law is an ass.
That aside, the opening statement deserves careful study by any advocate. I don't know what Gerry Spence's view has been on this case, but you can see many of the elements he says comprise a successful argument in that address: tell stories. Ask someone plainly for what you want. Complete mastery of the facts. Being open and real about what you're feeling. Use turns of phrase - the Prohibition of Government. Using the acronym BLM was a good shitlording move, it associates the Bureau of Land Management with the terrorist organisation known as Black Lives Matter.
Many good points however they meant no reference to black lives matter. People in the west routinely discuss the BLM and always refer to it as the BLM, and have for many years before black lives matter was invented. Thaaat's just spiculative analysis from down uuunda mate.
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01-27-2019, 09:00 PM
There was a conspiracy and cover up during the takedown of LaVoy Finicum that is still not resolved and has pitted the Oregon State Police against the FBI.
Some of this is bizarre-
Officially only 6 shots were fired at Finicum when he reached for his handgun in his jacket pocket. These shots were fired by two Oregon State Police troopers. It came out later- with the help of cell phone footage from people inside the truck, that two additional shots were fired at Finicum BEFORE the State troopers fired at him and before he reached in his coat pocket. The only other agents on site were the FBI Hostage Rescue Team. The FBI agents involved said that none of them fired at Finicum (and missed). Two “mystery” shots were fired by “nobody”.
The crime scene wasn’t secured. Crime scene tape wasn’t put up and there wasn’t a log of evidence at the scene and a log wasn’t kept of who came and went. “Unknown” FBI members came back at night to clean up some loose ends and can be seen on infrared cameras picking things up off the ground. It is assumed they were picking up shell casings. State troopers reportedly saw shell casings on the ground where the FBI was standing during the takedown. Once the crime scene was secured no shell casings were found in the area where the FBI agents were standing. Of 8 shots fired in total, only two shell casings were actually recovered.
After the shooting the FBI would not let the police interview the members of the Hostage Rescue Team individually. They were only allowed to be interviewed as a group so they could give group answers. They all said that no FBI team member fired a shot. It is standard police practice to separate the individuals involved and interview them separately. The FBI also refused to allow the interview to be taped.
The FBI made the State Troopers turn off their body cameras shortly before the takedown. The State troopers complied with the FBI request. They said this was to “protect the identities” of the FBI hostage rescue team members. The State Police are required to keep their body cameras turned on.
The FBI refuses to turn over their weapons for initial investigation. Instead they went to their own tent and performed their own weapons investigation with a supervisor. Nothing unusual was noted. No shots fired.
There was a big investigation into the FBI cover up, and with the cell phone footage from inside the truck, investigators determined the shots came from the FBI hostage rescue team. There was a trial of one of the FBI agents who it was thought fired the shots and lied about it, but he was acquitted of all charges. After the trial the jurors noted they could feel the animosity between the federal and state police. The Oregon State Police really feel the FBI tried to goose them on this one. And in the end they did and so far have gotten away with it.
The Department of Justice’s Office of the Inspector General recently launched its own investigation into these FBI agents actions for what it describes as “lack of candor”. These investigations can take a long time so it will be interesting to see what comes of it.
It raises the question- why did they fire the shots? Was it simply a nervous / jittery agent who lost his cool? And why cover it up? And how deep does the cover up go? Obviously everyone on the FBI’s side at the grunt level and their field supervisors were dirty. But how high up after that? Or was this limited to a specific team just team covering for their buddy’s mistake? And if those FBI agents really didn’t fire the shots...then who did?
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01-27-2019, 11:27 PM
You send specialists to ensure kills.
"Hostage rescue".
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It was a planned assassination. If you checked the FBI rosters I would put money on it being the case that the shooters were rolled into that unit shortly before the shooting and rolled back out shortly after.
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