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01-03-2016, 02:27 AM
If I recall my childhood correctly what they're occupying is a small building full of taxidermied birds.
But in general, the BLM seems to own all the land out there so I can see the locals chafing against the feds.
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01-03-2016, 02:30 AM
I hope this ends peacefully.
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01-03-2016, 02:42 AM
It's funny how when the government wants to push an environmentalist agenda, they don't do anything to the influential businesses that pollute like crazy. But instead they pick on soft targets like family ranchers, charging these guys under a bullshit terrorism law.
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01-03-2016, 02:53 AM
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If all 150 were properly trained, armed, willing to fight, and able to live off the land, they most likely can't be overtaken by local police, SWAT, or even FBI without serious losses on the government side, meaning the National Guard would have to be called in.
I know that area well and yes, if they are properly equipped, motivated, disciplined and led, they could conceivably A. Do a lot of damage and B. Hold out for a long time. That is probably the most remote area in the entire U.S. and very rugged.
Further, I can promise you that the locals are no friends of the Federal Government (nor the State, for that matter). Having that support is critical to the protesters in this situation. The articles I am seeing makes it seem as if they don't have much in the way of local support...and that may be true, since the Bundys and Co. are outsiders, but that could also change in a hurry, if the Feds don't watch their step.
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01-03-2016, 02:58 AM
Normally I would be supportive of such measures based on principle. Unfortunately, this kind of shit couldn't come at a worse time. The current administration is gearing up to roll out several executive orders to restrict the second amendment. As it is now, the movement in favor of a fairly loose second amendment is probably the strongest it's ever been. There's an increasing number of nontraditional gun owners (i.e. tight pants wearing hipsters, a staggering number of women are buying guns now as well.) But an armed militia standoff with federal agents can kill a lot of those attitudes pretty quick. The assault weapons ban of 1994 came hot on the heels of Ruby Ridge and Waco.
I have no doubt that the vast majority are armed. If they have training, that's another story. I was just at The Nation's Gun Show in Dulles the other night. A no frills AR-15 can be had for $600.
Setting a forest fire is definitely a way to hide an illegal hunt. However, the authorities are going to put a lot more effort into investigating the cause of that, especially if the fire led to significant damages or injuries/death.
What's stupid about the hunt they did is that as ranchers, they can apply for special permits to hunt out of season. My cousins have such a permit and those motherfuckers are always killing deer.
I do disagree with an appellate court being able to impose a harsher sentence than the trial court even if the initial court didn't adhere to minimum sentencing rules (which are BS as well.)
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01-03-2016, 03:00 AM
One month ago I was walking with a friend talking about the European migrant crisis and how the locals will probably resist. We agreed that to take a small European town, you would need about 60 armed men (though possibly less depending on natural defense barriers). With planning, you can hold it without outside supplies for a month or two before a likely siege would start to starve you out and force a surrender.
So now we have a natural experiment here with 150 men on open land. Even 15 men on open land would be rather hard to stop if they had vehicles and gasoline supplies.
One thing people don't realize is how easy a small or even tiny group of men can really challenge authority. In Canada this summer, for our unarmed defiance, a group of a couple dozen men successfully defied hostile cities and their institutions. This is why I think the NY Times didn't mention the fact that they are armed, and why it doesn't seem to be the top news story: they don't want to show how weak the government really is when up against men who are willing and ready to fight back.
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01-03-2016, 03:01 AM
I would probably join them if I lived closer and had the cash. The government keeps agitating and pushing native citizens and doesn't let up. Then when you fight back even a little, it's 'well if you fight back that would just escalate things so its better to just let it slip.'.
It's clear most Americans don't want or deserve the freedom they inherited from previous generations. They will go along with whatever a government bureaucrat tells them is for their own good, it's pathetic.
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01-03-2016, 03:09 AM
White liberals have been outbred by white conservatives the past fifty years in America.
The government has kept its hold by importing a massive amount of foreigners to vote liberal and to bankrupt the natives.
But, the children of the right aren't as moderate as their parents because there aren't very many good jobs or opportunities.
Guns are plentiful though, and the militiamen are correct that what has been done to America is terrible.
I think Obama has been sorta preparing for this, but military and law enforcement is heavily staffed by natives, (native not just referring to white, but anyone born in America and who holds things like the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and American Values in high regard).
The Bundy's won the last showdown.
The militiamen have a lot going for them and they know it. What the militiamen have going for them is numbers among other things. If the government slaughters 150 people it makes them look really bad and if it draws out it makes them look incompetent, and if they back down it makes them look weak and wrong, and so, it isn't such a clear cut propaganda victory for the government as one might think. Armed insurrection simply doesn't look good for the government, period. Especially this one which prides itself on being so "progressive".
Anti-media sentiment and anti-government sentiment is also at an all time high, so, whichever way the government wants to spin this will only be marginally successful at best. Many people are tuned out and many others are tuned in, but tuned in to alternative news.
There is a dwindling base of people who buy the "narrative" due to liberal whites low birth rates.
The non-whites who vote Democrat, may vote that way, but don't take the modern liberal beliefs seriously and are only voting that way out of ethnic interest in weakening the dwindling European white majority which still staffs the military, many businesses, police departments, and political offices.
It's a very tricky situation, but history rewards the bold, so, I'm cautiously optimistic.
The real question is, Will Obama come back from his month long Island vacation early, or will he call in a drone strike like he does to civilians in Yemen?
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01-03-2016, 03:19 AM
Both parties are in the wrong here. The Hammond family for lighting a fire to hide poaching is just retarded. I doubt they were hard up for food. Trying to protect their winter feed, I get but trying to control a fire during a dry summer is pissing in the wind. The Bundy bunch are clowns.
The government using terrorism charges when it is lacking the intent is retarded. Fire suppression costs alot so they should answer for anything that got off their property. Comes down to assholes on both sides of the aisle.
The government has its hands tied when it comes to management practices. Environmental groups, or rather their lawyers make out like bandits when federal judges legislate from the bench. Every time the US Gov gets sued and loses these groups have their court fees paid by the government.
Things need to change in this country but this to me comes as attention seeking.
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01-03-2016, 03:25 AM
Looking at the twitters, apparently this is somehow turning into a black lives matter thing because the authorities are negotiating with those horrible armed WHITE men.
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01-03-2016, 03:30 AM
In reading another article, it says they already served their initial sentence imposed by the trial court. A higher court shouldn't be able to come in and say "sorry, you didn't serve long enough, back to prison for you." That's a bit too much like double jeopardy IMO.
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01-03-2016, 04:19 AM
I've read in a few places that the Hammonds are willing to turn themselves in and are refusing Bundy's help. Apparently, Bundy is still whipping people into a frenzy.
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01-03-2016, 04:34 AM
Consider the fact that many of these militias popping up in every state often consist of patriotic ex cops, off duty or retired military, skilled hunters, and guys who aren't dipshits with guns.
Granted, some are red-neck yahoo morons looking for a purpose in life, but others are fairly knowledgeable of both weaponry as well as battle tactics, and constitutional law versus state/local laws.
It's an interesting scenario that forces trained for and paid for by tax dollars taken from the very citizens in these militia, could ultimately be used against them.
Ironic this just arose, as just last night I spent 3 hours educating myself on the Bundy case, which some local military guys I know told me to seriously look into.
Their sentiment is there's definitely a growing movement of pissed off military who're becoming increasingly divided over what the federal imperative is, both stateside, and abroad.
Will be watching this and subsequent events very closely...
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