[jackson.henley]

(11-15-2015 07:20 PM)cowboy Wrote:  

Readjusting to the states was also very difficult for me. What I miss the most is going out and having amazing conversations with attractive, intelligent, sweet girls. While I was in Europe this constantly happened on trains, on the bus, a café, or at a disco. I have never been one to run "asshole game" instead I seized the initiative when I had an opportunity. By being myself I instantly clicked with so many girls. Sure there were bitches and drama as there can be anywhere in the world but after 4 yrs. abroad I was very unprepared for what awaited me when I returned to the US. I was in my 20s when I left and when I returned I was in my 30s. This made for a very strange transition. In the beginning I was in total denial then I had to accept the current social trends in the US.

If you are fit, smart, alpha type guy with good social circles, with a high tolerance for bullshit/drama you can run through American sluts at an amazing rate. Of course this depends on your location (NYC vs. South Dakota). I really miss those interactions of substance whether it was an LTR or a short fling. At 35 yrs. of age my bullshit tolerance is thinning out. This factor is pulling me overseas more and more. I am tired of the bullshit games and the competition with social media, Iphones, or the girl's social circle. Different guys do better in different environments. It is the way it is. I feel in Europe my international experience, personality, education, drive to be successful were admired and respected by girls I interacted with. However, with American girls it is about instant social circle and entertainment. Even with the American female mentality infecting other countries I have never quit felt the shallow vibe from other women in quit the same magnitude that I have felt from the American female.

What countries in Europe were you in?

[jackson.henley]

(11-11-2015 11:29 PM)Princeton Wrote:  

I don't think you're imagining things. In my experience, European girls tend to be more humanist and able to evaluate men on their individual merits (is he smart, is he good-looking, etc.)

Many American girls, on the other hand, have a hard time evaluating an individual man in a vacuum. They want to know his social standing, what parties he can take her to, his connections, lifestyle, etc. Whereas the average Western European chick tends to see a man as an individual, the American chick sees him as a vehicle for accessing excitement or a lifestyle that her friends will envy. It's soulless.

I've found European women to be much more secure and independent thinkers and Americans to be stuck in a perpetual state of adolescence where things like popularity, the car you drive and whether or not her friends think someone is "cool" having outsized influence on their decision making.

(Of course you'll find insecure European girls, golddiggers, etc. but the norm is different from a place like Southern California which is socially like a big High School.)

Which European women? There is still a difference between a country like France and Hungary.

[cowboy]

I lived in Germany (Bavaria) close to the Czech Border. Germany and Austria don't get a lot of love on this forum but I had a great time in those two countries. I travelled throughout Europe spending time in Czech Republic, Poland, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, and Greece. I also spent time in Ukraine but that is a totally different animal altogether.

I agree 100 percent with Princeton.

[chochemonger1]

The only place I met an American woman, and really enjoyed it was in Warsaw, Poland.

[Robert Plant]

"Agreed, and this makes it very difficult for us older cats to date a younger girl in the states. It's socially verboten for there to be a large age gap in the US, unless you meet a FOB who doesn't run in American social citcles."

There are other exceptions though. If the girl wants something from you, the most vapid American will jump into bed with you because she's seen this behavior on TV. For an American girl its ok to be a whore if a celebrity has done it. Other guys lure younger women in with drugs. I personally find both of these things pretty unethical so on to some more positive alternatives...

I know of older guys hanging out with younger American women who keep it very discreet. They mostly meet online and through day game. There are quite a few intellectual younger women who are completely disgusted with the dooshy and/or beta personas of most young American guys. So if you can find one of these girls it might be a very good thing. A few months ago I was hanging out with a hot, nerdy American 25 year old. Unfortunately she was pretty bad in bed and in my estimation too uptight to be trained.

I personally have scored much younger women by getting into a younger social circle as the cool, good looking, older guy. I have also scored with much younger women at night clubs. Again we were very discreet and I look a lot younger than I am.

[Travelbrotha]

RP, thanks for posting up this thead, I also had a simular experience last year when returned home from Paris, France. I got major play from quite a few woman while I was there but unfortunately my host was a major pussy blocking, pain in the azz but best believe come 2016, I'm on my way back there hopefully to live and enjoy life there.

Btw, I'm also in So Cal so I know what you're going through, a lot of attention whoring, entitlement, unrealistic expectations and diva mentality havin azz dames who enjoy punking or trying to punk any guy who will kiss their asses for date which will for the poor sap who falls into this trap, will amount to nothing more than a free meal for her, giving her all the vitamins and nutrients she needs for energy to go fuck some other guy who she really wants to be with but he doesn't want her !!!

[jasond]

(11-11-2015 11:29 PM)Princeton Wrote:  

I don't think you're imagining things. In my experience, European girls tend to be more humanist and able to evaluate men on their individual merits (is he smart, is he good-looking, etc.)

Many American girls, on the other hand, have a hard time evaluating an individual man in a vacuum. They want to know his social standing, what parties he can take her to, his connections, lifestyle, etc. Whereas the average Western European chick tends to see a man as an individual, the American chick sees him as a vehicle for accessing excitement or a lifestyle that her friends will envy. It's soulless.

I've found European women to be much more secure and independent thinkers and Americans to be stuck in a perpetual state of adolescence where things like popularity, the car you drive and whether or not her friends think someone is "cool" having outsized influence on their decision making.

(Of course you'll find insecure European girls, golddiggers, etc. but the norm is different from a place like Southern California which is socially like a big High School.)

I agree that European women do a much better job evaluating men on individual merits, rather than perceived social status. I think there are 2 major reasons for this:

a) No college sports in Europe

b) No college Greek system in Europe

In the USA, the 2 most important things that get a college girl's pussy wet is finding out you are a high-status college athlete, or frat boy. Most parties in college revolve around fraternities/sororities, and almost all the attractive girls are part of one. After school, these alumni networks still retain plenty of power.

In contrast, high-profile sports in Europe are independent of universities. (Soccer is generally played via club-teams not affiliated with schools). Also, there really isn't a fraternity/sorority system in college. Most students simply live in apartments or with parents, and have much smaller social circles. Europeans always ask me if the "Animal House" depiction of American college life is real...they find it amusing.

The result of these very different schooling experiences creates a mentality that emphasizes social status among Americans, but merit-based individual analysis among Europeans.

[Cyclone]

(11-11-2015 11:29 PM)Princeton Wrote:  

I don't think you're imagining things. In my experience, European girls tend to be more humanist and able to evaluate men on their individual merits (is he smart, is he good-looking, etc.)
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I've found European women to be much more secure and independent thinkers and Americans to be stuck in a perpetual state of adolescence where things like popularity, the car you drive and whether or not her friends think someone is "cool" having outsized influence on their decision making

Dude, you need to post more.
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[Dilligaf]

What's Anglo Canada's excuse then? While there are uni sororities/frats/societies & sports teams, they're nowhere near the center of college life they are in the US.

But college educated women are just as vapid, self centered bordering on perpetual adolescents in Ontario as they are anywhere on the US East coast. Either you immediately fit whatever prerequisites their clique has or you're immediately passed over for mere acceptance to begin the shit test interview cycle that passes for dating in the GTA.

Sorry I never finished a degree, or even attended any university. I was too busy starting my own company in between serving overseas. Was fixed up on a double date by an ex-FWB, and put up with a night of shit by a Brock grad that was another self deluded 6. It's just not even worth the effort once you've seen the greener pastures.

[doc holliday]

(11-20-2015 10:23 PM)Dilligaf Wrote:  

What's Anglo Canada's excuse then? While there are uni sororities/frats/societies & sports teams, they're nowhere near the center of college life they are in the US.

But college educated women are just as vapid, self centered bordering on perpetual adolescents in Ontario as they are anywhere on the US East coast. Either you immediately fit whatever prerequisites their clique has or you're immediately passed over for mere acceptance to begin the shit test interview cycle that passes for dating in the GTA.

Sorry I never finished a degree, or even attended any university. I was too busy starting my own company in between serving overseas. Was fixed up on a double date by an ex-FWB, and put up with a night of shit by a Brock grad that was another self deluded 6. It's just not even worth the effort once you've seen the greener pastures.

I think a large part of the problem in Anglo Canada is that it's so heavily influenced by American culture that most chicks end up emulating American chicks. Ontario is particularly bad in this respect. Most of my success has come with European chicks and I definitely prefer them to North American women. In my experience, they are more cultured and don't have the same hang ups.

[Onto]

OP, I think the big difference you're experiencing between American women and foreign women are the economic settings, but I think you understand that already.

In America they are self-sufficient. They have their own job/money and they don't worry about food, shelter, and medicine. This allows them to indulge in whatever shakes their fancy at the moment. Bad-boys, rich-boys, poor-boys, funny-boys, popular-boys, artists, felons, etc.

Every woman wants a man to give them what they can't get for themselves. I don't think there is a place on earth where that's not true.

Bases on that fundamental, universal law, take a look at your current surroundings and you might see why women are valuing certain things over others in men.

As far as looks go, I think every woman appreciates a good-looking guy. I don't think American women value that less and there are a ton of good looking, tall men in America. In the Phil, if you are a foreigner and at least a 3 you are handsome.

[Road_Less_Taken]

(11-21-2015 08:16 PM)Onto Wrote:  

OP, I think the big difference you're experiencing between American women and foreign women are the economic settings, but I think you understand that already.

In America they are self-sufficient. They have their own job/money and they don't worry about food, shelter, and medicine. This allows them to indulge in whatever shakes their fancy at the moment. Bad-boys, rich-boys, poor-boys, funny-boys, popular-boys, artists, felons, etc.

Every woman wants a man to give them what they can't get for themselves. I don't think there is a place on earth where that's not true.

Bases on that fundamental, universal law, take a look at your current surroundings and you might see why women are valuing certain things over others in men.

As far as looks go, I think every woman appreciates a good-looking guy. I don't think American women value that less and there are a ton of good looking, tall men in America. In the Phil, if you are a foreigner and at least a 3 you are handsome.

Exactly right! Great Perspective.

[scotian]

One thing that boggles my mind is the lack of eye contact that people make in Canada, at least on the west coast where I am. I started noticing it a few months ago in Edmonton, I was out walking down the main drag near my house so I did a little experiment and every person girl I walked by, I would keep my head high and look at them, if they maintained eye contact, I'd say hello and keep going. I think I passed about twenty women, most of them would look down at the side walk in an odd manner or look away (some where already looking at their phone), the only two who maintained eye contact to the point where I said hello were an elderly lady and a black African looking chick, both smiled and said hello back. I was fresh in town after a five month stint in Colombia (the happiest country in the world) where people are always smiling, laughing and talking and the lack of eye contact was something that I really noticed. I've since moved to BC on the coast and its the same here, the girls are socially awkward, in the past week I've said hello to two women in my condo building as I exited the elevator, neither said hello back, as if I didn't exist, that is considered to be highly rude in some cultures.

[Slay it Forward]

^^^ I'm back in Canada (Montreal) after being abroad for a year and I know exactly what you mean. Here in Quebec nobody makes eye contact either. If you catch someone looking at you they quickly look away or down. In Ukraine where I spent the summer, girls are always looking at you and giving a variety of IOIs. Hair toss, seductive walking, proximity, etc. and it's totally normal to go up and say hi.

I'm still in touch with a hot little 20 year I was banging from Kiev. She recently moved to Amsterdam to be an au-pair and she commented on how no one gives her any attention on the street anymore and how she misses it.

In Canada there's an adversarial vibe between men and women. It's like both are thinking, ya I find you attractive but I'm not going to show it because then you win. I've done some day game here and while girls have been pleasant for the most part, there's rarely a good spark. They're asexual. It's just not normal to be sexually expressive in this country.

Needless to say I'm planning another exit strategy.

[scotian]

(11-28-2015 01:30 PM)Slay it Forward Wrote:  

^^^ I'm back in Canada (Montreal) after being abroad for a year and I know exactly what you mean. Here in Quebec nobody makes eye contact either. If you catch someone looking at you they quickly look away or down. In Ukraine where I spent the summer, girls are always looking at you and giving a variety of IOIs. Hair toss, seductive walking, proximity, etc. and it's totally normal to go up and say hi.

I'm still in touch with a hot little 20 year I was banging from Kiev. She recently moved to Amsterdam to be an au-pair and she commented on how no one gives her any attention on the street anymore and how she misses it.

In Canada there's an adversarial vibe between men and women. It's like both are thinking, ya I find you attractive but I'm not going to show it because then you win. I've done some day game here and while girls have been pleasant for the most part, there's rarely a good spark. They're asexual. It's just not normal to be sexually expressive in this country.

Needless to say I'm planning another exit strategy.

I don't even think that its a sexual thing, to me its just basic human contact/socialization and not being a weirdo. Also, I don't recall it being that bad ten years ago but I was living on the east coast where people are a lot friendlier and talking to random strangers on the street is normal. I guess we can blame the internet and smart phones for this phenomenon plaguing western societies.

[MrRoundtree]

I realized the same thing as Slay it forward..I feel like there's always a confrontational stage between the girl and the guy where nobody is really winning at the early stage..even in a western coubtry like France girls are more flirty and guys are expected to make a move while here you will automatically be labeled as a guy trying to be or as a player.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(11-28-2015 12:46 PM)scotian Wrote:  

One thing that boggles my mind is the lack of eye contact that people make in Canada, at least on the west coast where I am. I started noticing it a few months ago in Edmonton, I was out walking down the main drag near my house so I did a little experiment and every person girl I walked by, I would keep my head high and look at them, if they maintained eye contact, I'd say hello and keep going. I think I passed about twenty women, most of them would look down at the side walk in an odd manner or look away (some where already looking at their phone), the only two who maintained eye contact to the point where I said hello were an elderly lady and a black African looking chick, both smiled and said hello back. I was fresh in town after a five month stint in Colombia (the happiest country in the world) where people are always smiling, laughing and talking and the lack of eye contact was something that I really noticed. I've since moved to BC on the coast and its the same here, the girls are socially awkward, in the past week I've said hello to two women in my condo building as I exited the elevator, neither said hello back, as if I didn't exist, that is considered to be highly rude in some cultures.

I had the same experience after living in Germany for a decade and returning to the UK in late 2013. Aside from the narcissism and overall heightenend level of conceited affectation of the women here, I was struck most of all by how averse women are in the UK to contact with men they don't already know, with their propensity to avoid eye contact with men being the most visible example of this. Here on Teesside, in the north eastern corner of England, the lengths women go to to avoid making eye contact with men is truly bizarre and assumes paranoid proportions: Aside from looking away whilst passing on the pavement, the vast majority of women of fertile age will already be tilting their heads away from the bus or car as you approach them in a vehicle if they're waiting to cross the road. On buses, they will often position themselves in such a way that they manage to avoid a guy looking at them if they are even sat diagonally opposite them, et.c. I've also noticed how Smartphones and MP3 players are increasingly part of the stock-in-trade bitchshield apparatus that women now deploy to fully ensconce themselves from social reality, especially when unfamiliar men are in their midst, since it acts as a further cockblock which would have to be disarmed if one were to attempt any form of interaction with them. This, of course, is in addition to the already waspish scowls that women in my neck of the woods sport at all times when out in public.

Yesterday, as I was waiting to catch a bus to Newcastle, I overheard three women around my age talking. One of them noted how full the bus was as it pulled in and said, "Oh God, I don't want to have to sit next to strangers", with the other two concurring, with the emphasis on the word "strangers" as if these other would-be travelling companions were leppers. This single throwaway remark illuminated in an instant the animus that courses through the veins of women in the UK towards not just men, but even other human beings generally, if they are not already part of their clique. It's yet another indicator of the extreme social atomisation that is one of the defining features of life in the Anglosphere these days.

[ChickenLover9T9]

I take it Berlin vs Czech border Bavaria is sort of like comparing NYC to some really country town in the deep south...? There were more foreign chicks in Berlin than natives first off, and the natives were completely shown up by the women from all over the world. I'd even say girls in the UK are naturally a lot prettier than the germans. The problem is most UK girls are poisoned by the environment by their early 20s so comparing natural beauty is difficult at that age.

As far as german chicks in Berlin, a couple outliers but they were generally plain, boring and they have a rigid formality about them like they can't take a joke. The german dudes are chill but (and I mean this in as non offensive a manner as possible) boring as fuck. They fit well with their women, I can only imagine german courtship is like watching a play by play of how sloths mate.

There is a big hipster culture there, with tourists and native hippies/neon haired freaks/short haired freaks/mutilated/defaced natives mixing and taking drugs and going to techno clubs and mosh pit clubs at crazy hours. There was also this very large hippie fest in the day time, I found it hella gay and a bit too liberal for my liking (dudes in skintight pink plastic booty shorts breakdancing to Will Smith)... The plus side was that it was huge and attracted some absolutely stunning foreign hoes, and the atmosphere was so relaxed, no police about, no trouble, despite there being huge numbers strung across a large area of grassland. When concerts of this size go down in the UK, there is a massive police presence and private security on top. I didn't see much cold approaching and I guess most people were with their social circles there too, but you could say any old lame thing to strike up a conversation and 95% of the time it was well received. It's a lot more difficult in the UK for reasons already mentioned in this thread.

The reasons for it being more "difficult" in the Anglosphere, the reasons why such a great %age of women here are so fucked up by age 25 let alone 30... are many and various. As supposed seducers of women, it might be said it is our "job" to pinpoint these reasons exactly and solve them all to our own ends. Unless you're the one in a million who does change the world, pretty much all of us cannot change the current social conditions. There are many "problems" with no real solutions. It actually gets to the point where the best way to "solve" the Anglo girl problem is to actually not even try to solve it at all, to instead choose a path with girls who can give you what you want and need both physically and emotionally, wherever they may be (every man is different).

[Jungle]

(11-30-2015 03:18 PM)ChickenLover9T9 Wrote:  

I'd even say girls in the UK are naturally a lot prettier than the germans.

As far as german chicks in Berlin, a couple outliers but they were generally plain, boring.

Wow, British chicks hotter than German?! Really!? British chicks are the bottom of the barrel in my experience, they are particularly frumpy and pudgy, even more so than Germans.

(11-29-2015 11:28 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

"Oh God, I don't want to have to sit next to strangers", with the other two concurring, with the emphasis on the word "strangers" as if these other would-be travelling companions were leppers. This single throwaway remark illuminated in an instant the animus that courses through the veins of women in the UK towards not just men, but even other human beings generally, if they are not already part of their clique. It's yet another indicator of the extreme social atomisation that is one of the defining features of life in the Anglosphere these days.

Yeh, you summed it up perfectly. Although the comment could have been made in jest, certainly women in the generations of yesteryear wouldn't say such an narcissistic/entitled thing, it goes to show the complete lack of emotional quotient and empathy nowadays.

[VincentVinturi]

As you grow older you develop a discriminating taste for food, wine, cigars, art, music and...women.

American women are like overpriced, poorly made wine.

120% fruit, no terroir, no subtlety, no class.

They get terrible reviews in Wine Spectator yet when you see them on the shelf you think because they're expensive and come from America they must be good.

Then you go to Europe or Asia and develop your palate.

You start to understand the difference between real food and junk food, real wine and crap wine.

So naturally when you come back to the states and have to drink vinegar every day it's a shock to the system.

I saw a good lucking Russian guy hitting on an uptalking, vapid American chick the other day.

I had spoken to her about something completely neutral and I think my Ruski homeboy moved in thinking that he needed to seize the opportunity before I got her.

I couldn't help but chuckle to myself and think "lol...she's all yours bro" and then booty called one of my Thai squirters.

Just like some people can't see why a rare, Australian tenderloin is superior to a McDonalds hamburger, likewise some people just have no taste in women.

It's a collective degeneration of the artistic sense where people believe that a pop track is somehow on par with a Dvorak symphony.

This is one of the indications of a society on the decline: "all art is equal; all music is equally good; all wine is equally palatable".

Well, no the fuck it ain't.