Quote: (11-10-2015 07:52 AM)General Stalin Wrote:
World traveler basically answer XXL's post pretty accurately, and Dalaran and designate have some extremely relevant points.
Like was said, most of us are here because we have been burned by women/relationships enough times and stumbled upon this community and this philosophy/mindset/lifestyle. We had certain outlooks and expectations of women and life in general that we have decided to change after being convinced that things are indeed different and can be changed.
Now many(most) of us view women completely differently. We see every bangable female as a challenge to ourselves. A potential. An opportunity to either squander or undertake and possibly fail at if we do. We see all facets in life and human interactions in terms of "game" and how to act and look in a way that gets us what we want.
An experience. A challenge in the past, a potential of the presence and an memory in the future. This is generally how I view women. Once you have the confidence to go and bang women consistently and on your terms, you will sift through the copy paste ones and seek out the new experiences.
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I find that I can't casually interact with most women. I think of them in terms of how can I fuck them. I am not outcome independent. This is what "game" teaches us - it teaches us that we can manipulate and strategize our way into a woman's pants and its not about "luck" or "natural chemistry" that we can just happen upon some pussy once in a while. It is in fact a game that can be played and its often times very difficult NOT to play or at least think about it.
This partially explains why the red-pill mindset is useful in the whole ‘seeing through the matrix’ analogy. I reckon a distinction between outcome dependent and outcome aware needs to be made, to give context. (I still think you are outcome dependent -> ‘ how can I fuck them’ -> you are planning on fucking them -> outcome acquired, game plan being developed)
Just because I can doesn’t mean I will. I dumb myself down around certain females. I purposely ignore flirtatious behaviour from women (when they are in relationships or if I am in one) simply because I accept that I am in a societal construct and that all of this theory is set in an environment of anarchy. If you are single, just be aware and if you want to fuck, do it. Just accept and go with it. If you are in a relationship, respect the consequence, know what you’re getting yourself into and do it.
The theories we read that are set in pro-anarchical environments could explain why we are ‘fighting’ societal constructs such as SJWs, feminists etc. Society goes against the belief of nature and essentially what we are wired to be attracted to due to the society we live in.
Game teaches you tricks and manipulations, sure but you need to emphasize charm, charisma and improved social skills (at least these 3!). This includes being socially aware. This is part of the game, influencing people who are implicated in the outcomes of the interactions for everyone’s benefit. It just happens that the teachings are focused around sex and this becomes an obsession because of:
a) scarcity mindset- supply and demand, obviously a lot of men are not sexually stimulated or satisfied enough
b) testosterone levels, we are horny and make judgments on suitable partners in our immediate environment
c) ego excitement either to ourselves or others because we aren’t in a mindset of 110% belief we can have it. If I know I can have it, I won’t push myself as much and focus on other things
This is completely normal. I find it within myself all day and all night. Being in a relationship further amplifies these feelings. It’s just wielding the power. Sometimes just recognizing the actual interaction is enough for me. Acknowledge the truth of the teachings and then act or not upon it.
I hate to break it to you but you will never be able to turn this off and it is a good thing. You speak to girls and you are completely aware of the subtext of the interaction. Body language, vocal tonality, pinging, mirroring et al. How to actively, in real time, affect this for them to be more attracted to you. After a while, it becomes second nature, you learn to stop being distracted and just know if it is on or not. Then you make a decision and follow through.
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I have plenty of friends that don't have this mindset that I do. Plenty of "beta" friends and I'll tell you they are a lot more carefree and focused in their endeavors than I am. Granted I'm getting laid a helluva lot more than them (once of my good friends is 27 and still a virgin...) but I actually envy the fact they they give little to no fucks about women sometimes. It's a self-imposed anxiety that they don't have to be concerned with, but I make myself concerned with.
They don’t assign as much value to getting laid as much as you, me or anyone in this forum do. They have other obsessions and it is linked to their peers’ idea of themselves, their own, their internal value systems and everything. The simple fact that we discuss different, enjoyable and adventurous ways of having sex and generally providing good emotions, shows where our attention (or part of it) lies; in making others feel good, in satisfying our sexual appetites, maintaining a cool social image etc.
Personally, the first few years were just getting people to like me in university. These guys have their own ‘arenas’ where they will be focused.
Your friends are also going through phases of a different nature. One may have started boxing and thinks in interactions if he could ‘take this guy or not’. Another one of your friends could have learned how to cook on a higher level and critiques food etc. Excuse the shitty examples.
Your example is limited to women and how to fuck them.
Therefore, don’t envy anything, it is part of yin and yang. Men and women are co-dependent so just accept it and use game for what it is; a tool at your disposal to make it a pleasurable and easy experience with minimal emotional damage and maximum opportunity to learn about and enjoy women.
Seeing that you can fuck any girl and making plans on how to do it shows that you are passionate for that right now. Further down the line, something else will pop up when you have your game on lockdown. Game will be second nature and you will just be yourself, shaped by this and no longer will you use terms such as manipulative or strategize. It is just real, these are the stimuli women respond to. Your framing of language indicates guilt or shame.
‘Distraction’ comes from your excitement with the newfound power. Especially when your ROI starts to increase and you are incrementally improving your quality and quantity of lays. Ride the wave and develop until you let game run on autopilot. Your attention will shift to other parts of your life and they will be infinitely easier because social interaction is an inalienable factor in any hobby, profession, goal you may set. It will always aid, never complicate.
If you feel manipulative, your congruence is not there, your intentions are probably coming from the wrong place and yes, you are not being honest to either yourself or the girl.
The amount you let it 'distract' you will come down to how much value you place on it affecting your life. Where does your focus lie, your desire within and ideally your vision/path.
Instead of framing it as a distraction, just realize you are constantly 'auditioning' women to see who will make a good partner but this only comes post-bang really.