[CH-Toronto]

http://www.startribune.com/gay-teens-hav...320842991/

Only a piece of the article has been quoted - it's a bit long and I didn't want to make this page a wall of text. I had to double check to make sure this wasn't an Onion article.

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At a time when teen pregnancy rates across the state are at historic lows, the numbers for gay teens are surprisingly high.

In Minnesota, these young people are far more likely than their straight peers to become pregnant or have gotten someone pregnant, according to a recent analysis of data on adolescent sexual health.

“It’s very counterintuitive,” said Judith Kahn, executive director of Teenwise Minnesota, the organization that discovered the trend.

People who work with this community — which includes lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and questioning youths — suggest that many factors are driving the trend. Struggles with mental health, homelessness, substance abuse and sexual violence were described by pregnant youths interviewed by researchers for Rainbow Health Initiative.

The environment in schools or at home also can play a significant role, said John Azbill-Salisbury, director of programs at Minneapolis-based Rainbow Health Initiative.

“You know, if you’re being told all day long that how you think about yourself is wrong, or that it doesn’t fit into the environment that you’re in, that has a negative effect on all of those things, including risk behaviors that would lead to pregnancy,” he said.

Teenwise Minnesota, a statewide organization that promotes the sexual health of young people, uncovered the trend in teen pregnancies while correlating the data from the latest statewide survey of student health. It was the first time the survey, which was first done in 1992, asked 9th- and 11th-grade students about their sexual orientation.

Among the revelatory findings: Bisexual females were five times more likely to have been pregnant than straight females. And questioning and gay males were four times more likely than straight males to report getting someone pregnant.

Another girl spoke of being high while having sex with men. “I was with this, like, drug dealer guy when I shot up meth, so me, like, sleeping with men actually ties in with my drug addiction,” she said in the report. “Because, like, whenever I get high or need drugs, because my addiction was really bad, I would sleep with guys. Which is really bad. It was just gross and disgusting.”

The use of alcohol or drugs during sex was more common among LGBTQ youths, according to the Teenwise Minnesota report. Questioning and gay males had the highest rates of alcohol or drug use during their last sexual encounter, while straight males and females had the lowest rates, the report found.

I really don't know what to say, other than... yeah... this kind of makes sense.

[Samseau]

It seems every deviant social problem imaginable is higher with the LGQBT crowd: drug use, abuse of children, illegitimate pregnancies, abuse of partners, suicide, etc... you name it, fags have it!

[Ocelot]

(08-06-2015 12:38 PM)CH-Toronto Wrote:  

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Among the revelatory findings: Bisexual females were five times more likely to have been pregnant than straight females. And questioning and gay males were four times more likely than straight males to report getting someone pregnant.

Well I can get the female part, because "bisexual" has kind of just become a convenient byword for "promiscuous" amongst millennials, but gay males, really?

Maybe when they say "gay males", they're using RVF-style metrics, not self-reporting, as in "that guy looks like a total faggot". I mean, that would actually make sense, in which case I applaud the team for their scientific rigour. Otherwise, can anyone explain how in the name of fuck this can be possible?

[Bad Hussar]

Doesn't surprise me in the least. Would actually be shocked if it was otherwise. There are actually very few true lesbians. A fraction of 1% of the population. Mostly extremely fat/unattractive women, or women with very disagreeable personalities. i.e. Not truly by choice. Otherwise there's just too much to be gained by being involved sexually with men. It's just a political statement that bisexual women make, identifying themselves as lesbians, but almost all should really be called bisexual. Anyway, many are likely to have much higher levels of testosterone than the average woman. More T = more sex = more babies. It's straightforward.

PS: Why do media outlets still insist on referring to lesbians, or rather bisexual women calling themselves lesbians, as being "gay". It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that gay men and lesbians are about as opposite as you can imagine. I think there was a bisexual (calling herself a lesbian) comedienne who summed it up perfectly: "Don't call us "gay". We're not gay, we're ANGRY!!!"

[Bacchus]

[DJ-Matt]

I know of a 19 year old who was molested as a child and now claims bi who just got an abortion (thank god) after being "raped" by a 40 year old alpha she longed for...

Total trainwreck fuckup, cuts herself, dresses like a boy, short hair. I assume suicide is coming before long.

[samsamsam]

(08-06-2015 12:46 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

It seems every deviant social problem imaginable is higher with the LGQBT crowd: drug use, abuse of children, illegitimate pregnancies, abuse of partners, suicide, etc... you name it, fags have it!

Not sure if this was what was meant by melting pot.

[chagataev]

The bisexual female part is no mystery.

The gay men being more likely to impregnate someone is interesting though. I wonder if it's a function of less long-term planning in regards to heterosexual sex. They don't view the sex as normative to their own desires, they don't think of heterosexual sex as something they will regularly engage in forever, so precautions to prevent pregnancy (pulling out, condoms, making sure the girl is on something, etc.) isn't as present in their minds.

[Kristoph]

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“You know, if you’re being told all day long that how you think about yourself is wrong, or that it doesn’t fit into the environment that you’re in, that has a negative effect on all of those things, including risk behaviors that would lead to pregnancy,” he said.

You can practically see the apologetic hand-wringing. Yeah it must be society's fault. It's because they're oppressed. Right.

[Belgrano]

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“You know, if you’re being told all day long that how you think about yourself is wrong, or that it doesn’t fit into the environment that you’re in, that has a negative effect on all of those things, including risk behaviors that would lead to pregnancy,” he said.

What, did I miss something? Where does that jokester live, Saudi Arabia?

[teh_skeeze]

To the High School guys reading this:

Pretend to be gay. Hell, half the shit that goes on in the locker room is a bit homoerotic as it is. Shouldn't be that hard to pull off. Chicks will be throwing the pussy at you. They want to be able to say they made you straight.

[Dr. Howard]

(08-06-2015 05:01 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

To the High School guys reading this:

Pretend to be gay. Hell, half the shit that goes on in the locker room is a bit homoerotic as it is. Shouldn't be that hard to pull off. Chicks will be throwing the pussy at you. They want to be able to say they made you straight.

Totally.

Feign gay-ness to be allowed to sleep over at the girls house, in her room, go into changing rooms with her etc.

Then late one night, while sharing the same sleeping bag say "you know...I've always wondered what a pussy felt like, you know, just out of curiosity"

Fake gay best friend game

[Days of Broken Arrows]

A serious question:

If gay guys are getting women pregnant, how are they getting it up? The reason I ask is because the media and LGBT is always telling us being gay isn't a choice. But if this is true, there apparently is some choice involved.

Here is why I wonder this. Because even as a horny 17-year-old, I would have wilted like a dead flower if you made me touch a man. Ugh. And yet gay men are not only erect, but ejaculating inside women. So they clearly don't have the aversion to their "non-preferred sex" that straight men do.

Something isn't adding up here. For decades I've bought the concept that male sexuality is "fixed" -- you're either gay or straight (unlike women whose sexuality is more malleable).

Well, this report alone shows gay male sexuality isn't so fixed that it can be defined by a simplistic slogan like "Born this way." Born *what* way? Born to knock up straight girls?

[Troll King]

^^^^

I was thinking the same thing.

It is one thing to find out that some married guy, with gay face, came out of the closet and to hear about how, even if he had kids, he had to get drunk/use drugs/couldn't get it up and he only had sex with the wife once or twice over the few years.

I haven't known many people like that, mostly in passing but apparently my uncle by marriage dad came out after like 20 years or something and I don't know any details about it. He and his boyfriend are both dead now and no one in the family really talks about it and I haven't asked my uncle about it...well, because I don't think I met his dad more than once maybe and that would just be an awkward conversation to say the least considering I only see my uncle once or twice a year.

What I am getting at is that I can understand that type of scenario to some degree. The sexless relationship turns into a sexless marriage and then divorce and then everyone feigns shock when gay face dude comes out of the closet. That makes a bit of sense intuitively.

Some gay teen/young man fucking and impregnating women doesn't.

I think this is all a bit more complex than we give it credit for and especially with how the progressive left paints it.

There are some gay men, I am thinking Jack Donovan and guys similar to him, who are incredibly masculine and look and act very normal...if maybe a bit artsy compared to average dudes. You can usually find one or two of these types of guys in the gym or alternatively working in various white collar professions. I am not just thinking of gym rats who turn out to bat for the same team, but also the very normal and average looking guys who are English professors or well dressed lawyers or doctors.

These are the types that people wonder about not because they act in stereotypical faggot ways but because they hit their 40s and people realize that they haven't seen them with a gf in two decades and they spend a lot of time with their "room mate."

I would be tempted to believe that those types of gays are probably, at least majority wise, born gay. If we assume that it is a biological phenomena with a social component, then maybe these guys are 80/100 bio/social as far as being gay goes. Or something similar.

On the other hand, most gays are not those types. I don't know what it is but everywhere I have travelled where I stayed in a hostel there was at least one gay guy.

These motherfuckers were as flaming as could be and in each and every case they were from NYC. It got to a point where I wonder if it isn't some combination of social dynamics, demographics, and something in the water supply that make these guys not just gay but more effeminate than your average woman.

After all, there are something like 6 women for every man in NYC. I would suspect that women who have children and don't move to the suburbs but instead stay in the city are more career driven and feminist than average. Maybe those few things, combined with who knows what, is what makes those NYC fags the way they are.

Either way, whether from NYC or not, the more flaming fags always come across as broken people to me. You can tell that they are psychologically broken in some fundamental ways.

I suspect that a big portion of why they become gay is not only due to molestation but some deeper issue relating to their identity. Especially the portion of their identity surrounding "gender" - to use the feminist terms for lack of a better term - and their sexuality.

If you were raised by some bulldyke feminist in an environment that looked down, at best, on characteristics associated with your core identity and upheld the opposite sex identity characteristics, then I could see some broken individuals, especially at the end of the spectrum, taking on opposite identities for approval. I could also see that getting crossed over into sexuality.

Add on some form of physical abuse, sexual abuse, or even genetic disposition towards mental illnesses, like bipolar disorder or schizo disorders, and viola you have a flaming fag.

If that all makes sense. As far as gay teen males and pregnancy goes, if my above hypothesis is correct then that just follows all the other data we know about as far as teen pregnancies and other delinquent behavior goes, such as drug use and self harm. Namely that emotional disturbed and psychologically broken kids, especially those from single mother families - which I would think would be good breeding grounds for the aforementioned identity issues - and other high dysfunction home environments, are prone to teen pregnancies and other high risk behavior.

[the Thing]

(08-06-2015 12:46 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

It seems every deviant social problem imaginable is higher with the LGQBT crowd: drug use, abuse of children, illegitimate pregnancies, abuse of partners, suicide, etc... you name it, fags have it!

Let's not forget about STDs. Go to any STD clinic and take a look at the waiting room.

[Hades]

I think this was mostly covered in this thread already but there's a fairly small but significant sub-set of women who are such fag hags that they'll just throw themselves at femmy dudes.

There was this completely camp gay guy in my highschool who was pretty charming and charismatic and he got at least one straight up picket-fence marriage proposal from an otherwise normal chick that I heard of.

No doubt gay men are at least a little curious about women even if they're only like 10% interested in them compared to dudes.

[Chevalier De Seingalt]

(08-06-2015 01:21 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

I know of a 19 year old who was molested as a child and now claims bi who just got an abortion (thank god) after being "raped" by a 40 year old alpha she longed for...

Total trainwreck fuckup, cuts herself, dresses like a boy, short hair. I assume suicide is coming before long.

Also known as borderline personality disorder, and most of the people you see acting like this were abused in some way as children. They also do tend to identify as bisexual very often, but it's more due to the fact that at a very deep level they don't have a stable and cohesive sense of self-identity; they just tend to get taken over by one emotion after another, and are very confused about who they actually are in all respects, sexuality being just one of them.

This is why I start running away anytime a girl actually describes herself as 'bisexual'. A lot of guys hear that and start thinking threesomes, I hear that and start thinking bunny boiler.

[username]

(08-06-2015 12:46 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

It seems every deviant social problem imaginable is higher with the LGQBT crowd: drug use, abuse of children, illegitimate pregnancies, abuse of partners, suicide, etc... you name it, fags have it!

Should be "LGQBTOMI"...

Lesbian, gay, queen, bisexual, transsexual, or other mental illness

[Ambicatus]

How about just NN - Not Normal?

I think someone else here suggested that a while ago, apologies if I just plagiarized you.

[puckerman]

It's easy to explain really. Gay boys get a girl pregnant so they can "prove" they aren't day. I actually got this theory from Dan Savage. The other factor is that girls throw themselves at gay boys. The boys aren't interested. Some of the girls see them as a "challenge" and "something to fix."