[godfather dust]

After Rousey mouthed off about Ray Rice with some shit like "I wish it was me in that elevator" I've wanted her to fight a man so she would shut the fuck up. Hoping this happens.

[cascadecombo]

[MKDAWUSS]

For an added challenge, Rousey should do it wearing stilettos.

[iamdegaussed]

Nothing irritates me more than the media love in with Ronda Rousey. Her and her fans are the most obnoxious people in sports right now.

She had the gall to quip at Floyd after she won the ESPY for something. Floyd has enough money to buy out her sport and ban her from it.

Now that we are allowing tranny women MMA fighters, it won't take too long for someone with higher bone density and muscle mass to dethrone that cunt and send her back to irrelevancy where she belongs.

[FireStarter]

(07-26-2015 07:03 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

After Rousey mouthed off about Ray Rice with some shit like "I wish it was me in that elevator" I've wanted her to fight a man so she would shut the fuck up. Hoping this happens.

If she was serious about fighting a man she could fight Fallon Fox.

[TravelerKai]

People are still entertaining this shit again?

My post from the last thread:

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(07-16-2014 10:49 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:53 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

There was a little guy at my old gym that stood about 5'7" at best and weighted about 125lbs. He was a Judo brown belt and knew his shit. We would get all types of guys coming to the gym for various reasons and bet them they couldn't take that little guy down. They all laughed, some were wrestlers, muay thai, mma, bjj, ect. They would get into the ring with the little guy and he would throw them around like a sack of potatoes. Wrestlers always went the hardest, the would just lock up with him right off the bat and then they would be on the ground embarrassed as shit. Ronda Rousey is a Olympic level Judo player and a freakish athlete as far as women go. I'm pretty sure she could close the distance and throw Money Mayweather on his ass and submit him. I don't think Meisha Tate or Gina Carano or really any other female MMA fighter would be able to do so, but I think in MMA rules Ronda gets the win.

No way dude. Sorry. Floyd would knock out most of the pro MMA fighters I have trained over the years. The only ones he could never beat are probably my heavyweights (230+lbs) and he maybe would not beat an elite 170 pounder I used to train due to his black belt in BJJ and brown belt in Judo and sheer number/quality of wins in his record.

I doubt Rhonda could even beat me. I have a black belt in BJJ and Traditional Judo, Japanese Ju Jitsu, and 10+ years of Muay Thai experience. Not to mention I weigh alot more than she does.

The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...

That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.

An old Chinese gong fu master told me when I was a young man, that the Chinese have a saying, "Power will always be number 1 and weight equals power. Technique is number 2." MMA fighters such as myself have more than 50 pounds on her. Our bones are super dense because we have many times more testosterone than she does. We have cured our fists, elbows, and knees using Muay Thai. A good punch from us would shatter her orbital bone.

Floyd is no different. He has broken his fingers from hitting other MEN in the face so hard recently. Our bone density means alot as men.

You know I have had a few ameuter boxers on my teams cross over into MMA. Anytime I would get a newly joined boxer I would ask him to spar with all of my guys, round robin, just because I wanted them to humble my guys. After fighters start to feel their nuts after a few cagefight wins, they start getting cocky as shit and lazy. They start thinking they can beat boxers and that their standup is perfect. The boxers never failed to dish out some humble pie. They always ended up being super popular in the gym and quickly befriended by all my fighters arguing over time with the boxer.

You guys need to understand sheer bone density and weight/power better. Clay Matthews of the Green Bay Packers would kill Rhonda instantly and he is like a white belt in MMA last time I checked.

Rhonda cannot grapple anything she cannot catch either. Some of you guys need to wake up. It will be a cold day in hell when any woman beats up a pro male fighter.

[Tuthmosis]

I'm hoping this is the beginning of a push to make all competitive sports co-ed, collapsing all the leagues into one genderless league. We'll see how many women stick around past Thursday of that first week, except as Mark Madsen-like crowd favorites who dance to the Macarena during TV timeouts.



Women will not, and can-not hang, unless they pass a rule they had at my buddy's after-work volleyball league (he was a family friend, and was a few years older than me). In order for a hit to count, a girl had to touch the ball at least once. If it was one hit over the net, it had to be a girl. If it was three hits, it had to be boy-girl-boy. I remember being like 14 or 15 and being disgusted when a ball would go over the net and the team hadn't fulfilled this requirement. All these idiot dudes who'd spent the entire time doing shit that, in retrospect, was obvious thirst and white-knighting would scramble and scream out, "No girl! No girl! No girl! No girl!" Play would stop, the scorekeeper would record the "violation," and they would run the play back.

I couldn't have been more programmed by society at that age (the so-called "blue pill") but I was repulsed by this scene. I started loudly talking shit to everyone around me--basically heckling the affair--and left early. Part of it was that I was playing varsity sports myself at the time, and saw that this was basically a pantomime of competition. It was phony; it might as well have been a show on the Disney Channel. Another part was that, even in a world that (granted much less that now) was feeding kids like me "pretty lies" about women, boys and girls are wired to discern the impulses of manhood and womanhood. I was having a bone-deep allergic reaction.

In retrospect, the girls were super girly (and skinny and bangable)--whose little sisters, if I'm remembering correctly, I was there to "meet" in the first place. These chicks never would have participated had there not been some training wheels on the whole thing. Unlike now--where girls are made delusionally overconfident by a fantasy world coming from movies and video games and Jezebel that says they'll be able to not only hang with men, but beat them, just as soon the "social" constraints are removed--girls, just a few years ago, had a healthy understanding of the difference between themselves and men.

Fast forward to this Rousey character and you realize this is a living, breathing avatar of this silly fantasy that men and women can be the same physically. To make matters worse, she's talking like she's some sort of feminist heroine, who would dole out feminist justice one football-player-beating-up-his-girlfriend-in-an-elevator at a time. The delusion goes all the way to the top. You can have a little kid who's a ninth-degree black belt in judo, but he'd still get his ass kicked by a regular adult with some athleticism. Rousey would get destroyed by Mayweather. Do you really think that Mayweather doesn't understand all forms of combat? Do you really think Mayweather can't take a few hits before dropping his own, much-stronger hits? Do you really think Mayweather's best-ever defense wouldn't be devastating against a woman used to knocking out people with a mere fraction of that defensive ability?

For years, I've been saying on this forum that if we give feminists enough rope they'll hang themselves. This sports thing is showing a lot of promise for delivering precisely this moment. All the bullshit around the U.S. women winning the Soccer World Cup is luring them in for a massively sobering reality check this whole movement--and the poor regular chicks who believe their myths--desperately need.

[kaotic]

Funny.

The only thing I get out of this and Rousey talking about Mayweather is that she wants to fuck his brains out.

It's pretty damn obvious at this point.

[AneroidOcean]

(07-27-2015 03:21 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

In order for a hit to count, a girl had to touch the ball at least once. If it was one hit over the net, it had to be a girl. If it was three hits, it had to be boy-girl-boy. I remember being like 14 or 15 and being disgusted when a ball would go over the net and the team hadn't fulfilled this requirement. All these idiot dudes who'd spent the entire time doing shit that, in retrospect, was obvious thirst and white-knighting would scramble and scream out, "No girl! No girl! No girl! No girl!" Play would stop, the scorekeeper would record the "violation," and they would run the play back.

I've always enjoyed coed volleyball. The girls look great and it's a much more fun dynamic. Good for some laughs while still maintaining a competitive level of play. Now, granted, it's usually much less competitive than a full guys match, but that's why it's not the norm. It's a casual exception from time to time. Nobody thinks that the girls can beat the guys, but the guys want them there and the girls need some adjustments to make it a more fair match (in some games guys can only hit from behind the ten foot mark.

That sounds incredibly annoying to have to replay a point. Usually in the rare instances that I play a match with the girl touch rule in effect it only comes up every so often and it's more like a "no girl" and the play stops, point goes to the team that didn't cause the infraction and then the next play begins. The support of this rule is because it's a more of a relaxed atmosphere and people want the girls there without bloody noses or getting knocked out. Hell, I've seen stars taking a volleyball to the face before and some of the guys can bounce the ball hard enough off the sand to clear 15+feet in the air. Not many girls have the sheer strength to do that, much less the vertical (even with their lower net height).

[Frontenac]

If Mayweather was the size of Holyfield, I wonder if she'd be beaking off. Likely not.

[whoishe]

(07-26-2015 09:03 PM)FireStarter Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 07:03 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

After Rousey mouthed off about Ray Rice with some shit like "I wish it was me in that elevator" I've wanted her to fight a man so she would shut the fuck up. Hoping this happens.

If she was serious about fighting a man she could fight Fallon Fox.

Based on Fox record she probably would beat him without big problems. Her anti-transgender speeches for MMA are not related to Fox, probably more into his followers who could be much more dangerous opponents.

I also don't like Rousey running her mouth so much, but here are the few things from other perspective:
1) This sells well. She is one of the biggest draws in UFC right now.
2) She is mentored by Gene LaBell, who had a lot of cross over with professional wrestling in his history. Her "Rowdy" nickname, her "4 horsewoman" stable are all rip offs from professional wrestling. So her speeches quite aften are too.

I don't like the fact that Rousey gets so much stick here, when Joe Rogan doesn't. I understand he's red pill and all, but he pushes "Rousey could beat men" agenda even more than she do it by herself.

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"There's a lot of guys her size she could beat," said Rogan. "I mean, a lot. If you took the roster of the UFC's bantamweights, 135 pounds, and you paired them up against Ronda Rousey, she might be able to beat 50 percent of them. That's not a joke."

This is a real joke. I know he's contracted to UFC and he needs to be smart about keeping his job, but that's much worse than Rousey "I can beat Cain Velasquez under right circumstances". Regarding Rice in elevator she actually said - "With me things would be different". Actually both this quotes are smart enough to be open to interpretations. Rogan's are not.

Btw, I can beat Velasquez under right circumstances too. And Rousey. And Little Dark at the same time

[Teedub]

(07-27-2015 09:54 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...

That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.

Good post overall mate, I just shortened it for brevity. Based on what you wrote, what weight class would a boxer need to be to handle the world's strongest men guys, if the boxer had a similar talent/attribute level to Floyd? Though obviously the bigger they are, the slower hand/foot speed will be... Also, why did you single out the worlds strongest men guys specifically?

I'm not being facetious (if that's the right word), I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts.

[iamdegaussed]

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Btw, I can beat Velasquez under right circumstances too. And Rousey. And Little Dark at the same time

[Saweeep]

(07-27-2015 04:53 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 09:54 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...

That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.

Good post overall mate, I just shortened it for brevity. Based on what you wrote, what weight class would a boxer need to be to handle the world's strongest men guys, if the boxer had a similar talent/attribute level to Floyd? Though obviously the bigger they are, the slower hand/foot speed will be... Also, why did you single out the worlds strongest men guys specifically?

I'm not being facetious (if that's the right word), I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts.

I know a British, World Kickboxing Champion and his kickboxing buddies who in the 90s decided to kick off with a bunch of WWF wrestlers in a bar in my city.

The wrestlers won decisively. It was an embarrassing time for an otherwise excellent, top level fighter and his stable.

Not because they were good fighters; because they were 100lbs heavier, probably 6"+ taller and most likely 4 times as strong as KB boy and his mates.


Some of these Strongman types can be 6'7" upwards and over 300lbs. The problem for a striker is just not getting bear hugged and crushed. Simple as that. A lot of this comes down to the fight environment.

Taking a punch off someone that big could kill you (seriously, no matter who you are).

I reckon a good, punchy middleweight would have the power to put most of these guys to sleep, though, if he connected right.

There's a reason we have weight classes in all fightsports.

[spook]

(07-27-2015 03:21 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I'm hoping this is the beginning of a push to make all competitive sports co-ed, collapsing all the leagues into one genderless league. We'll see how many women stick around past Thursday of that first week, except as Mark Madsen-like crowd favorites who dance to the Macarena during TV timeouts.

All major leagues are technically co-ed, there are no rules saying that women can't be in MLB, the NBA, NFL or NHL. You'd think that the fact that there has never been a woman in history, even a genetic freak, that could play at the professional level against men would end these types of arguments before they start.

[TravelerKai]

(07-27-2015 04:53 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 09:54 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...

That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.

Good post overall mate, I just shortened it for brevity. Based on what you wrote, what weight class would a boxer need to be to handle the world's strongest men guys, if the boxer had a similar talent/attribute level to Floyd? Though obviously the bigger they are, the slower hand/foot speed will be... Also, why did you single out the worlds strongest men guys specifically?

I'm not being facetious (if that's the right word), I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts.

CrashBangWallop nailed it. I singled them out because these are men that can toss a beer keg over a tall poles, pull fire trucks, deadlift vehicles, and military press, powerclean, or curl the same God damned logs the Navy Seals have to hold on their shoulders for Hell Week. You just cannot fuck with men that fucking strong the same way you mess with other kinds of men. Lots of those men are physical freaks of nature like JJ Watt is. 6'5"-6'8" 320+ with very little body fat.

Most men are just not born like this, but they are. Just like how they say in the car racing world, there is no replacement for displacement, their is just no replacement for raw muscle mass. The amount of muscle in their necks alone will prevent typical punches from shortcircuiting them which causes a knock out. The amount of muscle inside their jawlines will absorb many times more impact than ours will. They have the power to rip a phonebook in half. That kind of grip power, even in the hands of an non-fighter is very dangerous. He could snap the arm bones of a regular man easily.

I say this with alot of reservation but I honestly think the only men who could fuck with these guys would have to be only some of the Heavyweights in MMA (Cain Velasquez, Tank Abbott in his prime, Overeem, etc.) Even then that is really pushing it. They would have to make sure they do not get grabbed in a vulnerable place. If I gave some of those Worlds Strongest Men even a month of MMA or Wrestling training, they would no longer have a chance to beat them. When you are dealing with a person that could toss another large grown man into the air or crush your forearms in his grip, it really changes things.

I would disagree with Crash on the middleweight part. That would not be enough. Only a proper heavyweight/super heavyweight could hope to knock out a monster of a man like that, only because of the diminishing returns on mass to prevent knockouts at that weight level. A middleweight would get crushed if they got grabbed.

It's just nuts how strong these guys are. Anyone less than 200 pounds ever BJJ grapple or greco/freestyle wrestle someone around 300 pounds? Did they chest press you off of them? My first year teaching big guys, I realized that and stopped grappling with them after that. What was the point? They cannot learn well like that. I once had a fighter that would chest press people off his chest and turn it into an armbar. He did everyone like that in the team. I could not get him to understand that he would not get away with it in the cage until I got another heavyweight and he was not able to do that to him. When those two rolled, everyone got back 5 steps. You could see and feel the violent wind coming off them. It was like two grizzly bears smashing into each other. If they accidentally rolled into you, you were fucked.

[TravelerKai]

(07-27-2015 05:27 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 04:53 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 09:54 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...

That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.

Good post overall mate, I just shortened it for brevity. Based on what you wrote, what weight class would a boxer need to be to handle the world's strongest men guys, if the boxer had a similar talent/attribute level to Floyd? Though obviously the bigger they are, the slower hand/foot speed will be... Also, why did you single out the worlds strongest men guys specifically?

I'm not being facetious (if that's the right word), I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts.

I know a British, World Kickboxing Champion and his kickboxing buddies who in the 90s decided to kick off with a bunch of WWF wrestlers in a bar in my city.

The wrestlers won decisively. It was an embarrassing time for an otherwise excellent, top level fighter and his stable.

Not because they were good fighters; because they were 100lbs heavier, probably 6"+ taller and most likely 4 times as strong as KB boy and his mates.


Some of these Strongman types can be 6'7" upwards and over 300lbs. The problem for a striker is just not getting bear hugged and crushed. Simple as that. A lot of this comes down to the fight environment.

Taking a punch off someone that big could kill you (seriously, no matter who you are).

I reckon a good, punchy middleweight would have the power to put most of these guys to sleep, though, if he connected right.

There's a reason we have weight classes in all fightsports.

Alot of WWF/WWE wrestlers were high school and collegiate Freestyle and Greco Roman wrestlers as well. Think about the many that crossed over into MMA after several months of training. Their cardio and strength training is on par if not better than many MMA fighters. Some cross train other styles for fun or to incorporate into their show routines.

I almost hit a very famous one with my car before. I got pissed off at him until I realized who it was. I wanted to kick his ass because of his attitude but later I realized he would at the very least injured me. I would not have gotten out of a fight with him cleanly at all.

[Saweeep]

(07-27-2015 06:18 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

I would disagree with Crash on the middleweight part. That would not be enough. Only a proper heavyweight/super heavyweight could hope to knock out a monster of a man like that, only because of the diminishing returns on mass to prevent knockouts at that weight level. A middleweight would get crushed if they got grabbed.

I could well be wrong. It would be interesting to find out somehow.

Whilst on the subject...

Many years ago we used to have a device on a pole that measured punching power through a focus mitt. It used to travel around to all of the martial arts shows and tournaments in the UK as a promotional tool for our company.

Every single day the biggest punch would come from a guy who looked like a strongman/bodybuilder rather than an actual fighter. Often the winner wouldn't have done any serious training in his life!

[cascadecombo]

(07-27-2015 06:28 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 06:18 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

I would disagree with Crash on the middleweight part. That would not be enough. Only a proper heavyweight/super heavyweight could hope to knock out a monster of a man like that, only because of the diminishing returns on mass to prevent knockouts at that weight level. A middleweight would get crushed if they got grabbed.

I could well be wrong. It would be interesting to find out somehow.

Whilst on the subject...

Many years ago we used to have a device on a pole that measured punching power through a focus mitt. It used to travel around to all of the martial arts shows and tournaments in the UK as a promotional tool for our company.

Every single day the biggest punch would come from a guy who looked like a strongman/bodybuilder rather than an actual fighter. Often the winner wouldn't have done any serious training in his life!

I can believe that. More mass is more power.

Only thing is, the punch that doesn't land doesn't have any power. That plus the fact that punches that don't connect actually use up more energy than ones that do would lead those bigger guys gassing far more quickly than a guy who has training.

With that said tho, all those big guys need to do is just get a grip on their T-shirts or anything really and then it's basically game over.

[Moma]

(07-27-2015 06:28 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

I could well be wrong. It would be interesting to find out somehow.

Whilst on the subject...

Many years ago we used to have a device on a pole that measured punching power through a focus mitt. It used to travel around to all of the martial arts shows and tournaments in the UK as a promotional tool for our company.

Every single day the biggest punch would come from a guy who looked like a strongman/bodybuilder rather than an actual fighter. Often the winner wouldn't have done any serious training in his life!

I am not sure if they had never done any serious training in their life. They may have been street brawling in pubs for quite a bit. Besides, in the fight, a person is hardly going to just stand there like a focus mitt and let the big man take his best shot. He has to have quickness to snap a shot off and take out the smaller fighter.

Nevertheless as Traveller said, a lizard beating a man is not happening. This delusion is dangerous to women.

[Swooper]

Yeah travelerkai and crashbangwallop are right on point about weight classes and how much it really matters. Facing a true 'world's strongest man' competition sort of guy in a fight would be a nightmare as soon as he closes the distance. If he has training, it's over.

I would add that the gap between men and women in the 'same weight class' is enormous. Rousey and Floyd might be the 'same' weight but Floyd would hit her harder than a female heavyweight (if such a thing even exists in sports). Even funnier is that Floyd isn't even a power puncher.

[Teedub]

(07-27-2015 06:28 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 06:18 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

I would disagree with Crash on the middleweight part. That would not be enough. Only a proper heavyweight/super heavyweight could hope to knock out a monster of a man like that, only because of the diminishing returns on mass to prevent knockouts at that weight level. A middleweight would get crushed if they got grabbed.

I could well be wrong. It would be interesting to find out somehow.

Whilst on the subject...

Many years ago we used to have a device on a pole that measured punching power through a focus mitt. It used to travel around to all of the martial arts shows and tournaments in the UK as a promotional tool for our company.

Every single day the biggest punch would come from a guy who looked like a strongman/bodybuilder rather than an actual fighter. Often the winner wouldn't have done any serious training in his life!

Yeah but as Kai pointed out, high-level professional boxers fight at such a fast speed - and as Moma said, aren't just going to stand there and let a telegraphed punch hit them. For comparison, watch how Holyfield fairs against the others:

Wonder way The Rock didn't give it a go haha.

I've taken both your arguments into consideration - and I agree with most. But this guy below is one of the premier strongman athletes in the world (6ft 9, 400 lbs, came 2nd in WSM 2014) - and I reckon someone like a Lennox Lewis or a Klitschko would smash him to bits. Probably someone smaller than Klitschko as well, but maybe not a middleweight!

Just my two cents, and I admit I'm not the most educated in the subject.

[Saweeep]

^^I'm fully aware of this.

Just pointing out that raw power usually comes from size first and foremost.

[AneroidOcean]

(07-28-2015 04:36 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Yeah but as Kai pointed out, high-level professional boxers fight at such a fast speed - and as Moma said, aren't just going to stand there and let a telegraphed punch hit them. For comparison, watch how Holyfield fairs against the others:

Wonder way The Rock didn't give it a go haha.

That second video you posted was brutal. The strongman sure was hurting from those gut shots. You can almost feel his pain.

As for how Holyfield "fares" versus the others, I am definitely by no means an expert, but it looks like Holyfield didn't even take a full swing at it whereas the other two guys really reared back and let loose.

[TravelerKai]

You are correct. He used a very efficient punch that was a cross/straight punch that hit 700 something. The others used some fucked up types of haymakers. If you put an EKG or other sensors on their arms, I bet Evander used probably less than half the amount of effort they used. If he had punched the same way they did, it might touch 1000+. He was just trying to be cool and modest about it and play along. He is just cool like that as a person.