[game_ethic]

This shit is absolutely hilarious.

[DannyAlberta]

Couldn't watch past the thunderous applause from the audience for Barry Saunders. People in modern North America are just bloody robots now. They'll scream "Hell yeah, socialism!" without realizing any of the consequences of what that would actually mean. For example, if Saunders was president you can forget having tickets to go watch Bill Maher. His program would be illegal.

[Captainstabbin]

(06-21-2015 11:05 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

Couldn't watch past the thunderous applause from the audience for Barry Saunders. People in modern North America are just bloody robots now. They'll scream "Hell yeah, socialism!" without realizing any of the consequences of what that would actually mean. For example, if Saunders was president you can forget having tickets to go watch Bill Maher. His program would be illegal.

It's Bernie Sanders but yeah, kids online (Maher's audience) go bonkers for that dude. And what's not to like?
Free college
Free housing
Free food
A "living wage"
Any debt will be wiped clean
???????
Prosperity!

It's depressing to think that kids don't just like the idea of freebies, they actually believe it will bring prosperity. Don't these kids have parents to deprogram them? My brother has to set his kids straight every weekend. It's something their mother should be doing every day after school, but that's a different conversation.

[DannyAlberta]

^ Yes Bernie not Barry. Apologies. Sometimes my Canadian-ness shows through too much...

[samsamsam]

I am not a fan of a free college education. It just raises expectations of what else should be free. If you take on debt etc then you are forced to be responsible about your choices. However, on the other side of the coin there are so many BS colleges that exist because they straddle kids with debt and since the kids can't BK college debt no on gives a fuck about fucking kids over. Not everyone needs to or deserves to go to college.

I have read high school kids whine about an hour of homework a day. Think an hour of homework in college is going to help you learn anything meaningful or useful? Not in any STEM degrees. Maybe in womans studies.

[AntiTrace]

should be free education for stem fields with the caveat that drop outs/fail outs will be billed.

[Onto]

(06-21-2015 11:32 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

It's depressing to think that kids don't just like the idea of freebies, they actually believe it will bring prosperity. Don't these kids have parents to deprogram them? My brother has to set his kids straight every weekend. It's something their mother should be doing every day after school, but that's a different conversation.

I wouldn't be to hard on your sister-in-law, after all:

Socialism (Based on Existence) = The feminine
Capitalism (Based on Merit) = The masculine

And she is a woman. I would never expect, nor demand any woman to argue against freebies. That's asking her not to be feminine.

It's 100% our job as men and Father's to uphold the "Based on Merit" principles.

As an example: my son, who was around 5 yrs old at the time, once wanted something for nothing.

Son: "Why not, Mommy always let's me?"
Me: "Well, she can do that, but I can't."
Son: "Why?"
Me: "Because that would make me a Mommy, and I'm a Daddy."

My son keeled over with laughter, because he understood exactly what I was talking about. Even at 5 yrs old, we instinctively know what the roles of the masculine and feminine should be in the world.

[samsamsam]

(06-21-2015 01:36 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

should be free education for stem fields with the caveat that drop outs/fail outs will be billed.

I could live with that. With one more caveat that they don't go to Wall Street. I have no problem with people trying to make as much as they can. I just don't see the value of providing free education to those going into professions that pay incredibly well. And that have no problem recruiting.

[AntiTrace]

(06-21-2015 01:49 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 01:36 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

should be free education for stem fields with the caveat that drop outs/fail outs will be billed.

I could live with that. With one more caveat that they don't go to Wall Street. I have no problem with people trying to make as much as they can. I just don't see the value of providing free education to those going into professions that pay incredibly well. And that have no problem recruiting.

mandatory placement into govt gigs for the first 2-4 years could be included. only makes sense, if the government is going to pay for your education, youre going to give something back in return. Then you can go do whatever and make whatever money you want

[iop890]

(06-21-2015 11:32 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 11:05 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

Couldn't watch past the thunderous applause from the audience for Barry Saunders. People in modern North America are just bloody robots now. They'll scream "Hell yeah, socialism!" without realizing any of the consequences of what that would actually mean. For example, if Saunders was president you can forget having tickets to go watch Bill Maher. His program would be illegal.

It's Bernie Sanders but yeah, kids online (Maher's audience) go bonkers for that dude. And what's not to like?
Free college
Free housing
Free food
A "living wage"
Any debt will be wiped clean
???????
Prosperity!

It's depressing to think that kids don't just like the idea of freebies, they actually believe it will bring prosperity. Don't these kids have parents to deprogram them? My brother has to set his kids straight every weekend. It's something their mother should be doing every day after school, but that's a different conversation.

Hah, I hope he gets elected. Then maybe I can get my debts wiped out before I leave this dumpster fire of a country.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(06-21-2015 01:28 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

I am not a fan of a free college education. It just raises expectations of what else should be free. If you take on debt etc then you are forced to be responsible about your choices. However, on the other side of the coin there are so many BS colleges that exist because they straddle kids with debt and since the kids can't BK college debt no on gives a fuck about fucking kids over. Not everyone needs to or deserves to go to college.

I have read high school kids whine about an hour of homework a day. Think an hour of homework in college is going to help you learn anything meaningful or useful? Not in any STEM degrees. Maybe in womans studies.

Free college will also never happen because it devalues the product. People now treat college like BMWs or houses in swanky neighborhood. It's a status symbol.

If you make it free, that won't be the case. People might talk about wanting free tuition, but if it was, then they'd have to find something else to brag about.

I don't think it's a coincidence that college tuition has gone through the roof just as the female population at colleges exploded. Colleges now function, to a large degree, as finishing schools for upper middle class girls.

Back in the old days, I was able to pay for most of my tuition by having a pizza delivery job in the summer. If I'm not mistaken, the University of Maryland cost just over $1000 a semester until the early 1990s. My parents picked up the rest of the tab.

We don't live in that kind of a society anymore for many complex reasons. But one reason is that people don't want it. They want Trump Towers and glitter, not Horatio Alger rags-to-riches stories.

[kaotic]

Anyways back to the actually video clip, I thought it was fucking hilarious.

[Deluge]

I sent this to a "progressive" girl I know, she actually thought it was hilarious.

(06-21-2015 09:52 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Free college will also never happen because it devalues the product. People now treat college like BMWs or houses in swanky neighborhood. It's a status symbol.

If you make it free, that won't be the case. People might talk about wanting free tuition, but if it was, then they'd have to find something else to brag about.

I don't think it's a coincidence that college tuition has gone through the roof just as the female population at colleges exploded. Colleges now function, to a large degree, as finishing schools for upper middle class girls.

Pretty much all other Western countries have free or cheap tuition, and also have majority female schools. It's exactly the same there though, I'm not sure the price tag has much to do with it being a status symbol or a finishing school for upper-middle class girls, which I agree it is especially in the useless majors. The more prestigious the university the more people brag and the more it is assumed they are wealthy, even though it is so affordable. It's universal.

[kmhour]

(06-21-2015 10:57 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

I sent this to a "progressive" girl I know, she actually thought it was hilarious.

based on the uproarious applause at the Bernie Sanders comment, none of the Whole Foods shopping sustainably harvested gluten free members of the audience are self aware enough to realize they're the ones Maher is mocking.

[WalterBlack]

(06-21-2015 10:57 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

I sent this to a "progressive" girl I know, she actually thought it was hilarious.

(06-21-2015 09:52 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Free college will also never happen because it devalues the product. People now treat college like BMWs or houses in swanky neighborhood. It's a status symbol.

If you make it free, that won't be the case. People might talk about wanting free tuition, but if it was, then they'd have to find something else to brag about.

I don't think it's a coincidence that college tuition has gone through the roof just as the female population at colleges exploded. Colleges now function, to a large degree, as finishing schools for upper middle class girls.

Pretty much all other Western countries have free or cheap tuition, and also have majority female schools. It's exactly the same there though, I'm not sure the price tag has much to do with it being a status symbol or a finishing school for upper-middle class girls, which I agree it is especially in the useless majors. The more prestigious the university the more people brag and the more it is assumed they are wealthy, even though it is so affordable. It's universal.

I think university should be free, with the following number of provisions:

• Reduce the number of university and spaces available – at most only 10%-15% of the population should get into university
• Make university VERY hard to get into
• Shut down all bullshit universities with no inherent value
• Get rid of bullshit core classes that have nothing to do with the actual majors. Reduce US degrees to 3 years
• Ban all ethnic/race/gender studies classes, unless connected to anthropology
• Any sports coaches should be funded by outside donors/sponsors, no money available from government. The focus of a university should be academics, not sports.
• Fire most of the university admin staff – a lot of them serve no purpose and are overpaid
• Textbooks should be set at a reasonable price – there’s no reason for a book to cost $180!
• All women with short hair must have a psychiatric evaluation
• 50% of female students must be international with emphasis on eastern Europe, former Soviet Union, Latin America and East Asia. Middle eastern women are welcome if they do not cover hair. Ban Swedish women.
• All women on psychiatric meds banned from campus
• Reduce drinking age to 18
• Free condoms
  

The US can easily afford to have free university education. There’s a lot of waste in the government and the universities.

I did my undergrad for free in UK a long time ago, then Tony Blair decided that he wanted more kids to go to college, and he totally fucked up their finances. Now most British kids have to pay for college.

[ordinaryleastsquared]

(06-21-2015 09:52 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 01:28 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

I am not a fan of a free college education. It just raises expectations of what else should be free. If you take on debt etc then you are forced to be responsible about your choices. However, on the other side of the coin there are so many BS colleges that exist because they straddle kids with debt and since the kids can't BK college debt no on gives a fuck about fucking kids over. Not everyone needs to or deserves to go to college.

I have read high school kids whine about an hour of homework a day. Think an hour of homework in college is going to help you learn anything meaningful or useful? Not in any STEM degrees. Maybe in womans studies.

Free college will also never happen because it devalues the product. People now treat college like BMWs or houses in swanky neighborhood. It's a status symbol.

If you make it free, that won't be the case. People might talk about wanting free tuition, but if it was, then they'd have to find something else to brag about.

I don't think it's a coincidence that college tuition has gone through the roof just as the female population at colleges exploded. Colleges now function, to a large degree, as finishing schools for upper middle class girls.

Back in the old days, I was able to pay for most of my tuition by having a pizza delivery job in the summer. If I'm not mistaken, the University of Maryland cost just over $1000 a semester until the early 1990s. My parents picked up the rest of the tab.

We don't live in that kind of a society anymore for many complex reasons. But one reason is that people don't want it. They want Trump Towers and glitter, not Horatio Alger rags-to-riches stories.

This is an interesting and not often discussed topic. College is costing more because colleges are adding more and more 'ammenities' to their campuses. My undergrad alma mater now has a lazy river and a mini water park in the 'gym'... That said, administration costs have also hugely ballooned in the last few decades, at the expense of full time faculty positions.

[OBERYN_]

(06-21-2015 09:52 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 01:28 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

I am not a fan of a free college education. It just raises expectations of what else should be free. If you take on debt etc then you are forced to be responsible about your choices. However, on the other side of the coin there are so many BS colleges that exist because they straddle kids with debt and since the kids can't BK college debt no on gives a fuck about fucking kids over. Not everyone needs to or deserves to go to college.

I have read high school kids whine about an hour of homework a day. Think an hour of homework in college is going to help you learn anything meaningful or useful? Not in any STEM degrees. Maybe in womans studies.

Free college will also never happen because it devalues the product. People now treat college like BMWs or houses in swanky neighborhood. It's a status symbol.

If you make it free, that won't be the case. People might talk about wanting free tuition, but if it was, then they'd have to find something else to brag about.

I don't think it's a coincidence that college tuition has gone through the roof just as the female population at colleges exploded. Colleges now function, to a large degree, as finishing schools for upper middle class girls.

Back in the old days, I was able to pay for most of my tuition by having a pizza delivery job in the summer. If I'm not mistaken, the University of Maryland cost just over $1000 a semester until the early 1990s. My parents picked up the rest of the tab.

We don't live in that kind of a society anymore for many complex reasons. But one reason is that people don't want it. They want Trump Towers and glitter, not Horatio Alger rags-to-riches stories.

The prestige associated with a college degree wouldn't be detracted simply because tuition is (hypothetically) free. There is still a matter of admission. In fact, I believe free tuition could stem the issue of undeserving rich students coasting their way on the magic carpet of fully paid tuition through prestigious universities. James Franco's roster seat could actually be filled by a student who's earned his way. Hell, it could even stifle unofficial and hush-hush affirmative action admissions.

[N°6]

(06-21-2015 01:45 PM)Onto Wrote:  

Socialism (Based on Existence) = The feminine
Capitalism (Based on Merit) = The masculine

Although middle class, bourgeois SJWs are probably seen as socialists in the US, it is hard to accept this sweeping statement when we consider that feminism, anti-motherhood and the transfer of wealth from productive husbands to consumerist wives have mostly occurred in capitalist countries.

There is no merit in modern 'capitalist' countries anyway because profit is mostly the result of usury and the merits of usury is happening to have money to lend in the first place. As the usurer boasts 'money makes money'.

In the land of usury, there is no need for the muscle of labour or the power of intellect nor creativity. Profit simply comes without effort from the mathematical power of the exponential function. Such a land is ideal for the feminine.

Socialism believes that the real economy is made up of real wealth extraction from the sea and land and with the synergetic power of intellect, natural resources can be combined to create greater real wealth through manufacturing. This in contrast to the no risk, no effort rewards of usury is a land where the masculine prospers.

Contrast the ethos of the productive medieval guild system to what we have now passing as socialism, screaming harpies of the 'collective' demanding transgender toilets in the workplace. The modern SJW is the greatest triumph of the financier.

[Rutting Elephant]

Bernie Sanders's views on most issues are actually shared by majorities of Americans.

[Eskhander]

To jump in on the Colonel Sanders thing and how much kids like him, I can tell you their argument: Scandinavia.

As one can tell, it gets pretty easy to troll them at that point.

[Grange]

The punchline of the video is excellent. Only a guy like Bill Maher could get away with it.