[speakeasy]

(06-19-2015 11:02 PM)renotime Wrote:  

One thing I think that is being overlooked is the fact that Charleston isn't being burnt to the ground.

Considering what they've been through with an indicted killer cop and this massive hate crime, I'd have to assume most of its citizens are level headed and know that that will get them nowhere.

The people of Baltimore could learn a thing or two.

Did people actually expect riots from this? I didn't. Why would there be? When has there ever been a riot over a hate crime? Most riots in this country have happened because of police brutality incidents, e.g. Watts, South Central, Detroit, Cincinnati, etc.

(06-20-2015 12:10 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(06-19-2015 11:48 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Serious question: are you a stormfront man? I'm interested in why they even consider this a bad thing.

No I am not a Stormfront man. I just like to read things from every angle. I can sometimes catch myself only going to sites that reinforce what I already believe, so I make sure to go to sites I disagree with like Jezebel, Salon, Stormfront, Feministing, ect.(you get my drift) just to make sure I am not in an echo chamber. I used to be a progressive judgemental self righteous asshat and I would only read sites that reinforced my world view and I do not want to make the same mistake again, it was hard to admit to myself I was wrong for so long.

I respect this. I do the same, except for feminist sites. I sometimes look at HBD sites and "soft" WN sites like Steve Sailor just to see what they have to say. I also look at pro-black sites like Abagond. I've actually learned a lot from both to be honest. I've looked at Stormfront for the hell of it but can't stand more than a minute in there.

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Stormfronts take was he was a coward for going into a church where the "good ones" were and not the ghetto where the "irresponsible ones" were and that he set the "movement" back and made them look bad. A few posted claimed it was a conspiracy. Stormfront is weird, They hate Rossiey with a passion, and think Roosh is the worst, and they worship white vagina like it is Jesus.

Any WN that would support this is a moron. This incident is about the worst PR for their movement as you can get. This incident actually helps the anti-racist side as it gave them ammunition to use.

[Fortis]

I respect that. I, too, read things I don't always agree with to get a fuller understanding.

Funny that SF guys are against roosh and roissy. You would think they'd be 100% with it. I read stormfront before and I found it to be such a bizzaro website. Couldn't get with it really.

(06-20-2015 12:10 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(06-19-2015 11:48 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Serious question: are you a stormfront man? I'm interested in why they even consider this a bad thing.

No I am not a Stormfront man. I just like to read things from every angle. I can sometimes catch myself only going to sites that reinforce what I already believe, so I make sure to go to sites I disagree with like Jezebel, Salon, Stormfront, Feministing, ect.(you get my drift) just to make sure I am not in an echo chamber. I used to be a progressive judgemental self righteous asshat and I would only read sites that reinforced my world view and I do not want to make the same mistake again, it was hard to admit to myself I was wrong for so long.

Stormfronts take was he was a coward for going into a church where the "good ones" were and not the ghetto where the "irresponsible ones" were and that he set the "movement" back and made them look bad. A few posted claimed it was a conspiracy. Stormfront is weird, They hate Rossiey with a passion, and think Roosh is the worst, and they worship white vagina like it is Jesus.

[Saweeep]

Pretty much every single one of our "intelligentsia" media have published articles today stating why this crime must be considered terrorism.

[Ocelot]

(06-19-2015 10:59 PM)jariel Wrote:  

I think people just love saying "race war", in some twisted way it excites them.

I think you're right, and in most cases, I don't think it's even race-related. A lot of people really want to see everything turn to shit. They want a full-on apocalypse scenario - nuclear war, race war, Communist revolution, anything that turns America into a living hell, because the idea of navigating and surviving said hell has been highly romanticised by the past 50 years of media.

Maybe it's a product of the boredom and ennui of modern life, but in any case I don't think most people really know what it's like to be around when society collapses.

(06-20-2015 03:18 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Pretty much every single one of our "intelligentsia" media have published articles today stating why this crime must be considered terrorism.

That's because "terrorism" implies it's part of an organised political group, and the government must be given special powers to deal with it. And since the threat of lone insane people doing insane things is ever-present, those "special powers" would really be granted indefinitely.

Make no mistake, however much these people complain about "police brutality", they're shills for the strong arm of the state. Everything they say can be reduced to a plea to grant the government more power in some area or another, and it's why they treated Elliot Rodgers the same. "He's not insane, he's a product of our misogynistic culture against women!" Yeah, that's why kids are always shooting random places up and then topping themselves, he wasn't 1 in 300 million and clearly fucking insane or anything.

To the posters proffering ADHD meds as an explanation...

I'm sure dosing up kids on Ritalin from the age of 5 is going to have negative long term side effects, but half the damn nation under the age of 20 has been pumped full of the stuff by now. It's not why this kid shot up a church, he just happened to be completely fucking insane. Maybe the drugs didn't help his mental development, but he was still probably a sociopath raised by fucked up parents who filled him with hatred instead of teaching him how to socialise properly. His meds were at best a minor factor.

[Going strong]

Someone who shoots 9 people with a handgun, one after the other, after silently watching them for 1 hour, is not only evil, but also thoughtful. Methodical.

So someone please explains to me why it didn't occur to Roof to use a stolen car, or at least put a baseball cap on, and sunglasses?... I mean, this evil murderer did shoot methodically, and looked calm, cold-blooded - yet he did not cover his tracks at all?? Something's strange here.

[lskdfjldsf]

Cats, mice, lions, and bears all put into the same cage. The zookeepers then wonder why the animals fight each other.

Rather than blaming the animals for fighting, we should be blaming the zookeepers for putting them all in the same cage.

[Libertas]

(06-20-2015 05:52 AM)Ocelot Wrote:  

That's because "terrorism" implies it's part of an organised political group, and the government must be given special powers to deal with it. And since the threat of lone insane people doing insane things is ever-present, those "special powers" would really be granted indefinitely.

Well, considering that this looked to be clearly politically motivated and goal-driven, rather than the batshit insane mass shooters we're used to like Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, and James Holmes, it seems to fit the definition of terrorism to me. If the Charlie Hebdo attacks were considered terrorism this, which is somewhat similar probably fits the same definition under a lone wolf attack.

Of course, I agree that the fad of calling these kinds of amateur mass killings terrorism despite their political motivations rubs me the wrong way.

(06-20-2015 12:56 AM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

(06-20-2015 12:10 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

They hate Rossiey with a passion, and think Roosh is the worst,

Why is that?

Because white nationalists are jokes in just about everything. Many of them somehow think that game is a "Jew invention." Or something.

Hilariously this attitude will usually mean that those people they don't want getting their precious goddesses will be better equipped to than themselves if they have some game.

As for gun control, when the beta-in-chief mentioned that "this type of incident doesn't happen in other advanced countries."

It's because those other advanced countries don't have degenerate and violent minority cultures. If you take away the violence of black men the U.S. per capita violent crime rate would be comparable to those "other advanced countries," despite all these guns being around.

So in other words, America doesn't have a gun problem, it has a demographic problem. Unfortunately, as has been remarked by so many others here, these problems are likely to continue on as usual, especially since the identity politics in vogue totally ignores them, no matter how disastrous to the people they claim to represent, let alone everyone else.

That said, there really should be stronger background checks to prevent mentally unstable people from accessing firearms. There's been far too many times where those people have passed those checks.

And I don't know about you guys, but televising that hearing was yet more sign of total irresponsibility on the part of the media. More stirring the pot. These people want to push identity politics as much as they can to sow division and distrust. As one poster here said in another thread, it seems we've successfully created a low trust society.

[Ziltoid]

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That said, there really should be stronger background checks to prevent mentally unstable people from accessing firearms. There's been far too many times where those people have passed those checks.

He didn't buy the gun himself, a background check system would have done nothing here.

[Samseau]

(06-20-2015 08:40 AM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

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That said, there really should be stronger background checks to prevent mentally unstable people from accessing firearms. There's been far too many times where those people have passed those checks.

He didn't buy the gun himself, a background check system would have done nothing here.

Really? I thought his (absentee) Dad gave him money for his 21st birthday and went out to buy a gun asap.

[Atlanta Man]

(06-20-2015 12:56 AM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

(06-20-2015 12:10 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

They hate Rossiey with a passion, and think Roosh is the worst,

Why is that?

They think Roosh has no right as a "sand nigger" to "their" women and he goes to "Their" homeland in Eastern Europe and has sex with "their" beautiful pure white princess goddesses. They post that Rossiey is a jew (due to his last name which I am not posting or acknowledging so do not even think about asking me any information about him) who pretends to be white and is preventing good white men from protecting, marrying, and having more beautiful white babies for "the cause".

The funny shit is the quality of women Roosh has is FAR beyond what any of those keyboard confederates could hope to attain, and Roosh speaks 4-5 languages and is well travelled. Rossiey, for what it is worth, does give solid advice on game and getting laid. There is a lot of guys getting laid who would not otherwise be due to Rossiey, so at least they are in a position to enjoy a woman's company.

I know this will come off as a feminist talking point but I gotta say it, Stormfront guys feel entitled to attractive white woman and they are pissed that white women did not get the memo. When they see an educated dude like Roosh just running through these bad bitches without a care in the world ,and turning other guys on to how pump and dump these bitches it pisses them off. The Stormfront guys think it should be them, but they don't put any work in to get it they just complain and expect the white women to come. Entitlement pure and simple.

[MidWest]

(06-20-2015 03:18 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Pretty much every single one of our "intelligentsia" media have published articles today stating why this crime must be considered terrorism.

To me it is.

I mean come on, the guy went into a peaceful church and shot up 9 people. Why? Because they were Black and wanted to create some kind of race war, and he made no secret about it. Just look at his patches he had on his jacket. One was representing apartheid in South Africa and the other a white ruled Zimbabwe. What the fuck? The guy was a true to the game STUDENT of white supremacy and his intentions were very clear. How is that any different than an Al-Qaeda bombing twin the twin towers and killing people just because they are American? Same exact thing.

You don't think non-whites, especially Blacks are going to watch their backs from now on whenever they go out to a church or public place from fear that a white supremacist may shoot them at any moment? Same way many Americans after 9/11 feared going on planes or big buildings in fear that another terrorist attack may occur. Whenever a Muslim guy with a turban would show up in a plane, people would loose their shit!! Same thing applies, if a white guy from now on just shows up randomly to a Black church people are going to question why he is there and there my be some discrimination as well.

Personally I would add white supremacist groups into the terrorist category along with Al-Qaeda and ISIS. I don't see La Raza Hispanics or the Black Panthers doing shit like this. All the race war talks if you notice usually comes from white supremacists. I am yet to hear a Hispanic or a Black person ever talk about a large scale race war. If you have to live in fear from things like this, then I'm sorry, but that's terrorism.

Also, I hate how many people are calling this guy a "kid" or a "boy". Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown never got that pass, nor did they get the "mental health" pass from jurors, judges or whatever. Darren Wilson came out on live TV talking about how this big "MAN" was charging at him so he had to kill him.

Just my own thoughts on this.

Edit--Notice how the media is trying to deflect and trying to focus on gun control, religion and all other things. How about we talk more about race since this was the motivating factor for these killings. America never wants to touch the race element, and people don't want to admit that we have a serious race problem in this country. Obama coming out immediately and talking about gun control? Pleaseee!!!

[lskdfjldsf]

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I know this will come off as a feminist talking point but I gotta say it, Stormfront guys feel entitled to attractive white woman and they are pissed that white women did not get the memo. When they see an educated dude like Roosh just running through these bad bitches without a care in the world ,and turning other guys on to how pump and dump these bitches it pisses them off. The Stormfront guys think it should be them, but they don't put any work in to get it they just complain and expect the white women to come. Entitlement pure and simple.

Mixed-race relationships are frowned upon by most of the world. Indians, Arabs, Pakistanis, Jews, Persians, Turks, practically all ethnic groups with the exception of whites guard their own women. Like "racism" itself, it's a natural biological reaction to the perceived threat of an outside group. The problem is that whites today are expected to not only support interracial dating, but enthusiastically celebrate it to the point of cuckoldry; Stormfront, Heartiste, MPC, etc. simply call out the bullshit. Considering white women are in highest demand it has less to do with viewing them as princess flowers and more to do with decreasing competition, protecting blood, and maintaining dignity.

I adopted a "share and share alike" mentality but can respect guys who feel they're getting the short end of the stick. Men have every right to protect their women (as was the case historically), provided they stay within the same confines themselves. Middle Easterners, for example, are notorious for chasing white women while keeping their own locked in a safe.

[rpg]

(06-20-2015 11:28 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

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I know this will come off as a feminist talking point but I gotta say it, Stormfront guys feel entitled to attractive white woman and they are pissed that white women did not get the memo. When they see an educated dude like Roosh just running through these bad bitches without a care in the world ,and turning other guys on to how pump and dump these bitches it pisses them off. The Stormfront guys think it should be them, but they don't put any work in to get it they just complain and expect the white women to come. Entitlement pure and simple.

Mixed-race relationships are frowned upon by most of the world. Indians, Arabs, Pakistanis, Jews, Persians, Turks, practically all ethnic groups with the exception of whites guard their own women. Like "racism" itself, it's a natural biological reaction to the perceived threat of an outside group. The problem is that whites today are expected to not only support interracial dating, but enthusiastically celebrate it to the point of cuckoldry; Stormfront, Heartiste, MPC, etc. simply call out the bullshit. Considering white women are in highest demand it has less to do with viewing them as princess flowers and more to do with decreasing competition, protecting blood, and maintaining dignity.

I adopted a "share and share alike" mentality but can respect guys who feel they're getting the short end of the stick. Men have every right to protect their women (as was the case historically), provided they stay within the same confines themselves. Middle Easterners, for example, are notorious for chasing white women while keeping their own locked in a safe.

I agree but my experience has shown that white American women give themselves away in hordes. They crave strange dick. I know a girl who went off to the caribbean for a week and came back knocked up by some islander. She had the kid and now he is a natural at baseball!

[Samseau]

(06-20-2015 05:52 AM)Ocelot Wrote:  

(06-19-2015 10:59 PM)jariel Wrote:  

I think people just love saying "race war", in some twisted way it excites them.

I think you're right, and in most cases, I don't think it's even race-related. A lot of people really want to see everything turn to shit. They want a full-on apocalypse scenario - nuclear war, race war, Communist revolution, anything that turns America into a living hell, because the idea of navigating and surviving said hell has been highly romanticised by the past 50 years of media.

Maybe it's a product of the boredom and ennui of modern life, but in any case I don't think most people really know what it's like to be around when society collapses.

The problem with the linked analysis is that it comes from the loser's side. Bosnia got their asses handed to them. Take the above analysis and reverse it, and then you'll know what it's like from the winners side.

So if some guys are banking on winning in a collapse scenario it will be really good for them should they succeed. As they say: to the winners go the spoils. You cannot discount the opportunistic men, who exist in all societies in all times.

[Libertas]

(06-20-2015 11:24 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

Edit--Notice how the media is trying to deflect and trying to focus on gun control, religion and all other things. How about we talk more about race since this was the motivating factor for these killings. America never wants to touch the race element, and people don't want to admit that we have a serious race problem in this country. Obama coming out immediately and talking about gun control? Pleaseee!!!

Are you serious? The media has been stirring the racial pot on overdrive for nearly a year now since Ferguson.

[SunW]

Heartiste was right - Roof has a manifesto.

[Sketness]

(06-20-2015 11:28 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

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I know this will come off as a feminist talking point but I gotta say it, Stormfront guys feel entitled to attractive white woman and they are pissed that white women did not get the memo. When they see an educated dude like Roosh just running through these bad bitches without a care in the world ,and turning other guys on to how pump and dump these bitches it pisses them off. The Stormfront guys think it should be them, but they don't put any work in to get it they just complain and expect the white women to come. Entitlement pure and simple.

Mixed-race relationships are frowned upon by most of the world. Indians, Arabs, Pakistanis, Jews, Persians, Turks, practically all ethnic groups with the exception of whites guard their own women. Like "racism" itself, it's a natural biological reaction to the perceived threat of an outside group. The problem is that whites today are expected to not only support interracial dating, but enthusiastically celebrate it to the point of cuckoldry; Stormfront, Heartiste, MPC, etc. simply call out the bullshit. Considering white women are in highest demand it has less to do with viewing them as princess flowers and more to do with decreasing competition, protecting blood, and maintaining dignity.

I adopted a "share and share alike" mentality but can respect guys who feel they're getting the short end of the stick. Men have every right to protect their women (as was the case historically), provided they stay within the same confines themselves. Middle Easterners, for example, are notorious for chasing white women while keeping their own locked in a safe.

the thing i dont understand is .... why do they ( the white women) need protection?

what is so damaging if they do happen do be mixed with another race.

I personally blame the protective attitude that Stormfront, Heartiste, MPC, etc. have on the media.

Minorities would not want to get with white women if the media hadn't put the white women on such a high pedestal ( front of magazines, commercials, TV)

You can't blame them for wanting the best. The "best in this situation being propagated.... is the white woman.

[Quintus Curtius]

More information is surfacing about the shooter, along with posed photos:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2...on-website

[lskdfjldsf]

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the thing i dont understand is .... why do they ( the white women) need protection?

what is so damaging if they do happen do be mixed with another race.

Because they're our women. With all their faults, flub rolls, and mental disorders, they're still our flesh and blood, vessels through which our traditions and culture are passed to future generations. Women are like water, taking the shape of whatever container happens to be holding them; they pursue only selfish desires when left to their own devices, and have no loyalty to tribe or tradition. Men have regulated female sexual behavior (age, quantity, religion, and ethnicitiy of mates) since our very beginnings for this reason, and with the container removed since the 1960's, the water is spilling out.

[borntomack]

What a weird interview from his two friends:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33209654

They look and sound stupid but it's the strangest thing I've seen in a while.

[DjembaDjemba]

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and with the container removed since the 1960's

Good. Useless and detrimental laws to begin with.

[MidWest]

(06-20-2015 01:16 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

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the thing i dont understand is .... why do they ( the white women) need protection?

what is so damaging if they do happen do be mixed with another race.

Because they're our women. With all their faults, flub rolls, and mental disorders, they're still our flesh and blood, vessels through which our traditions and culture are passed to future generations. Women are like water, taking the shape of whatever container happens to be holding them; they pursue only selfish desires when left to their own devices, and have no loyalty to tribe or tradition. Men have regulated female sexual behavior (age, quantity, religion, and ethnicitiy of mates) since our very beginnings for this reason, and with the container removed since the 1960's, the water is spilling out.

I hear what you're saying but don't you think its a little hypocritical to say in 2015 "we need to protect our women" when whites back in the 1500s couldn't keep their hands off those pure indigenous women from the Americas. The Spanish, Portuguese or the French weren't thinking "We got to keep our race pure," they would fuck those native women like rabbits and damn they created a whole new race of people (Mestizo and Mulatto) all over the Americas. Besides, racial mixing has been happening since the beginning of time. I'm willing to bet that with a simple DNA test lots of whites have some African, or Asian or Native blood in them.


The guys over Roissy and Stormfront get no sympathy from me. And this is coming from a guy whose preference is Latinas and not really white women.

[noodles]

Yet another senseless tragedy because America refuses to address the obvious problem afflicting our society which is unarmed clergy.
Considering the regular number of mass shootings in the US, it might be better to put them all in one spot and create a thread called "Another mass shooting in the US."

[Samseau]

(06-20-2015 11:24 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

(06-20-2015 03:18 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Pretty much every single one of our "intelligentsia" media have published articles today stating why this crime must be considered terrorism.

To me it is.

I mean come on, the guy went into a peaceful church and shot up 9 people. Why? Because they were Black and wanted to create some kind of race war, and he made no secret about it. Just look at his patches he had on his jacket. One was representing apartheid in South Africa and the other a white ruled Zimbabwe. What the fuck? The guy was a true to the game STUDENT of white supremacy and his intentions were very clear. How is that any different than an Al-Qaeda bombing twin the twin towers and killing people just because they are American? Same exact thing.

You don't think non-whites, especially Blacks are going to watch their backs from now on whenever they go out to a church or public place from fear that a white supremacist may shoot them at any moment? Same way many Americans after 9/11 feared going on planes or big buildings in fear that another terrorist attack may occur. Whenever a Muslim guy with a turban would show up in a plane, people would loose their shit!! Same thing applies, if a white guy from now on just shows up randomly to a Black church people are going to question why he is there and there my be some discrimination as well.

Personally I would add white supremacist groups into the terrorist category along with Al-Qaeda and ISIS. I don't see La Raza Hispanics or the Black Panthers doing shit like this. All the race war talks if you notice usually comes from white supremacists. I am yet to hear a Hispanic or a Black person ever talk about a large scale race war. If you have to live in fear from things like this, then I'm sorry, but that's terrorism.

Also, I hate how many people are calling this guy a "kid" or a "boy". Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown never got that pass, nor did they get the "mental health" pass from jurors, judges or whatever. Darren Wilson came out on live TV talking about how this big "MAN" was charging at him so he had to kill him.

Just my own thoughts on this.

Edit--Notice how the media is trying to deflect and trying to focus on gun control, religion and all other things. How about we talk more about race since this was the motivating factor for these killings. America never wants to touch the race element, and people don't want to admit that we have a serious race problem in this country. Obama coming out immediately and talking about gun control? Pleaseee!!!

At first I agreed with you, but then I thought about it more. In order for an act to be considered terrorism, doesn't it need to be part of a larger political group like the Muslims do it? Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc.

[Going strong]

Now, according to some media, it looks like this killer lost his cool and became racist, when his college sweetheart became girlfriend of a Black man:

http://www.centrictv.com/news-views/cent...k-man.html

"“Dylann was normal until he started listening to that white power music stuff. He kind of went over the edge when a girl he liked started dating a black guy two years back,” said Scott.
He continues: “Dylann liked her. The black guy got her. He changed. I don’t know if we would be here if not."

If true, all of this doesn't come as a surprise: once again, Game would have saved lives!! With good game, this Roof guy would have gotten a new girlfriend, and forgotten about his Black competitor.