I stated earlier in this thread that making assumptions about this particular guy and this particular situation was a bad idea because we are only getting part of the story, the part the media has chosen to show us. The TYT video rant is a prime example of what I am talking about. It focuses on a couple of quotes from a couple of posters on a thread that is
discussing and
debating a news story. This was not a pronouncement by the head of some MRA movement, it was a discussion on a discussion board.
The first post after the OP (post #2 in the thread) assumes the guy was insane (obviously, since he murdered someone) but wonders if the reason the guy was fired was true or trumped up:
Quote: (06-13-2015 12:07 PM)Phoenix Wrote:
Article didn't mention if he'd actually been sexually harassing women. Given that such terms have faded to a broad and vague concepts, I want to know if he had been pinching butts or asked them each out on a date once. I'm assuming he was a nut, not that he'd been unjustly fired.
The next post (post #3) is the one quoted by TYT from Ziltoid, which responds to Phoenix's speculation about the underlying situation, as happens naturally in a discussion:
Quote: (06-13-2015 12:10 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:
Like rape, does the term sexual harassment prettymuch no longer have any real meaning?
IE it's safe to assume there's no chance this guy actually touched her or said anything overtly lewd?
As somebody who's been job hunting for some time now picturing being fired, in this job market, over some twit finding you "creepy"... Sad to say I'm finding it hard to blame him.
In the next post,
rpg notes that these were "Two lives wasted over nothing."
A couple posts later, a more emphatic response to the speculation over whether the harassment was "real" or not:
Quote: (06-13-2015 12:35 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:
Quote: (06-13-2015 12:07 PM)Phoenix Wrote:
Article didn't mention if he'd actually been sexually harassing women.
Its hard to give him the benefit of doubt, when he actually murdered someone.
Then the poster quoted (but not named) in the TYT video pops up with his crap:
Quote: (06-13-2015 12:42 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:
Given the lack of details regarding the allegations, it is safe to assume he did not touch or proposition these women. Simply put, he was guilty of having no game and/or being creepy.
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As far as I'm concerned, his being guilty of not giving these bitches the tingles is what caused him to get fired, and in turn, murder this chick.
Please note that "Red_Pillage" has been a member since Mar 2015 and so far has a total of nine (9) posts. How representative of the forum can his opinions be? Would you rely on his opinion if you were trying to reflect how the entire forum feels about any particular situation?
In the
very next post, a longtime member with almost 5,000 posts and a high reputation blasts the posters who seem to be making some excuses for the guy being totally insane:
Quote: (06-13-2015 02:06 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:
I love how some people become an avowed socialist out to protect worker's rights when it's man vs woman.
The dude annoyed several women. He works for an outfit that relies on pleasing the public. His mission is to keep customers safe and satisfied and he was apparently failing at that. So his firing is perfectly sound, if he indeed bothered customers. Maybe customers were oversensitive, but that's beside the point.
That he went on to murder someone over it shows he was profoundly sick if not outright evil.
"As somebody who's been job hunting for some time now picturing being fired, in this job market, over some twit finding you "creepy"... Sad to say I'm finding it hard to blame him."
Please don't ever leave your house.
Ziltoid and Basil argue the point, focusing on whether the harassment was or was not likely "real" or not.
Then Roosh pops in to calm this shit down:
Quote: (06-13-2015 02:35 PM)Roosh Wrote:
No need to jump to conclusions. We don't know if the allegations are true or not, but it was enough to spur him to murder. A failure to ask why, on the part of society, will lead to more events like this.
And who is the first person to respond to Roosh? None other than Mr. "giving these bitches the tingles" himself with another one of his nine total posts on the forum:
Quote: (06-13-2015 02:48 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:
It's kind of a chicken / egg thing, isn't it?
Society is churning out weak men with no masculine guidance by the truckload. Add to that the social ramifications of unrestrained and optimized hypergamy, what you get is men with nowhere to turn. That masculine energy will express itself in destructive ways if it is not channeled properly.
There's gonna be a lot more Elliot Rodger's coming down the pike. Now in this case the guy apparently wasn't an incel, but I would be willing to bet that his murderous rage came from (at least in part) sexual frustration coupled with losing his job.
Then the discussion continues, with people agreeing that questions should be asked about the situation, but lots of comments making it clear that this guy was a sick fuck and that nothing justified him murdering someone:
Quote: (06-13-2015 03:40 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:
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...I don't think there's much at fault with the situation except the man himself.
<snip>
If I had to guess, it would be that this man had serious pre-existing mental/drug problems.
Quote: (06-13-2015 03:50 PM)Suits Wrote:
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… I'm sure that we can all agree that killing a person is (in this case, certainly) the wrong thing to do.
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Quote: (06-13-2015 04:44 PM)Samseau Wrote:
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....I do not think this man was justified to murder. He must be imprisoned.
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There is then a
discussion going back and forth among different posters of what level of mental illness was affecting him, whether he just snapped or whether he was really and truly crazy on all levels:
Quote: (06-13-2015 05:49 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:
<snip>His murdering someone over a firing is prima facie evidence of mental illness. That he had no priors, that we, a bunch of internet nobodies, know of, doesn't mean much. What exactly he had, I don't know. We've all experienced tribulations like he did. In the face of them what did we do? We laughed, we cried, we got angry, we worried. And that was about it. This dude up and murdered someone. <snip>
Many forum members, including those engaged in this discussion, approved of the following post by another veteran:
Quote: (06-13-2015 07:51 PM)Checkmat Wrote:
I am amazed at the intellectual and mental gymnastics some posters here are going to to defend this murderer.
The discussion really veers off onto a tangent after that.
I think any normal, rational person who read the entirety of the thread would see that, while some posters did wonder about whether the sexual harassment allegations were "real" or not, generally (with the exception of certain comments by a possible 9-post troll) the overall attitude of the posters in the thread was that this guy was a murderer who was "profoundly sick if not outright evil."
A commentator who wanted to reflect the prevailing opinion of the posters in the thread would have made this point. And if TYT was more about telling the truth then shrieking sensationalism, then the video would have made this clear.