[iknowexactly]

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[SunW]

(06-13-2015 05:26 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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Getting back to the 1%: they are seldom the same people, and those who stay in the 1% for a few years, hustle like crazy. For the people who read this full post (not pieces of it), about one third of you will be in the 1% - either in terms of income or wealth - in at least one year of your life. You may make it two or three years, but that's unlikely. You'll also find that it's hard to sustain being there because you've landed in a category of very competitive people. The way the leftists talk - they love to imply that this is the same category of people always, but it's not. People come into this group and fall out of this group; as a mentor of mine once said, "The people that you meet on the way up are sometimes the exact same people on the way down."

This is only true in a capitalistic system. The millennial generation will not see anything close to 1/3 cycle through. They'll be lucky if even 1/20th does.

Millennials think they're special because their parents told them they were, the media tells them they are, and their teachers and professors told them they are. Any foreigner on this forum (that has been to the US) can agree with me on this: no one else on the planet thinks they are. Millennials who do well (and will continue to do well) typically come from poorer families, whereas Millennials from middle to upper class families tend to do awful (we see this pattern a lot in the US - kids from poor families are more likely to become rich than those from middle to upper class families).

Millennials were rewarded for doing nothing. Think about that for a second. What happens to a person's behavior when they get a trophy when they lose? Where is the incentive to compete? To win? To be better than the rest? Every non-American I know who visits here think Millennials are the most spoiled people they've ever met. If Millennials don't hit what I wrote that's because they're fucking worthless. And most of them, instead of taking the harsh and critical feedback, will get their feelings hurt and run away (or argue aimlessly).

If you doubt this, look at foreign Millennials who work in the US (they do very well), homeschooled Millennials in the US (they really do well), and Millennials who are from poorer families in the US. About 80% of these make 2-3 times above median income at their ages (non of which are at their peak earning years yet). Yet these were the Millennials who received the counter cultural message of "You ain't special."

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Other than that, you are incorrect in blaming the lazy - the people who coasted in unemployment were merely acting rationally according to price theory as these same people were used to a much more capitalistic system where prices previously meant something. Today prices are fake but most people cannot understand that.

In a way I agree and disagree. Anyone who lives according to a theory is a moron, but people do that. We can call it rational, but that's debatable, especially when we begin to consider the effects. That being said, I get what you mean and why you'd say that.

This is an important point to all men who read this: you may think that collecting unemployment (or not working) is a good move because it pays more, or you don't have to work, but what you may not recognize is how you're losing skills. Let's ignore your work skills and simply talk about patterns of behavior for a second. When you work, you have a schedule. Oh I know, you all hate it, but the schedule is a pattern of behavior, like it or not. You begin to live your life around that pattern of behavior, such as eat healthy, go to the gym, meet girls, build a social life, work a second (and third) job. The same is true for other basic things you have to do at your job, like look up healthcare plans, evaluate a 401k, etc. You may not see it, but you're learning stuff, while others are sitting around wasting their life by watching Game of Thrones. I can't remember the famous investor who said that Americans are constantly trying to escape reality by running into entertainment, but eventually, reality catches up with everyone.

Whether you like it or not (at the time), you are learning other skills while you're doing this, such as managing your time wisely, evaluating whether you're getting a return on your time (this is why men debate whether they should pursue money or girls and how much for each), etc. Time and time again, I've seen young people "punch out" and retire early, only to mismanage everything in their life, blow tons of cash, and end up in debt and needing to work again (and these kids never end up with a better job - they always end up with an even worse job). These are usually the idiots who read books like the 4 Hour Work Week and think they can just work 4 hours (ironically, Ferriss is one of the few people I know who regularly works 100+ hours a week). Likewise, they desperately scour the internet for stories of that one exception, without realizing that exceptions don't prove rules (it's funny to ask people what is an exception because so many people don't realize what it means).

Where ever you are, that is where your opportunities lie. If you are excellent at seizing this moment's opportunities in front of you, you'll be excellent at doing it when you move on. This happens consistently. The people who don't, time and time again, aren't able to seize on life's next opportunities. This is why you don't want to collect unemployment; it's the pattern of behavior that you miss learning. Finally, the most important behavioral pattern - self-reliance - is taken away. Unemployment is nothing short of financial castration; you are relying on the state. Go ahead, cut off your balls and watch what happens.

[Phoenix]

(06-13-2015 09:15 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

A decadent, technologically superior nation can nuke the healthy, conservative culture. This is merely one example - I'm not saying that the N-bomb is the important factor here. But with our new technology and capacity to produce abundance, we don't need a society of healthy, sturdily independent households. This is in fact detrimental to the ownership class, and is why the informed, unruly citizens are being undermined. The 1% will rule, another 9% can service them, and then the 90% can disappear, the hard way or the easy, self-inflicted way.

Not true, capital rots if people stop maintaining it. Look at Detroit for example.

[Octavian]

Terms like Left and Right are not static. While society has been moving to the Left, the meaning of the Left has changed. The classic Left focused on the economy. It's archetype was the Soviet Union. Two things happened. First, the Soviet Union was a failure in just about every way possible. Second, Western societies never really bought into the ideal of communism anyway.

So, the Left changed it's direction. Instead of focusing on converting the working class, they focused on marginalized identity groups like racial minorities, women, gays, and now trannies. This is basically the direction Cultural Marxism took. Empower those groups, and they'll bring about the Marxist utopia.

This tactic was fortified by Puritanism. Old-school Puritanism was about rigorous regulation of sexual thoughts and actions. At some point that changed, and now the Puritan spirit is focused on the rigorous enforcement of a public morality of equality, with special focus on these so-called marginalized identity groups.

But a funny thing happened on the way to Utopia. Basically, the Left made its peace with capitalism. Sure, they still want to distribute more money to their client groups, but they no longer focus on controlling the means of production or planning economies. They just don't care anymore. You might get a few old timers who still talk about factory workers, but that's not where the action is. The Left's bread is buttered in many ways: 1. working in HR 2. affirmative action 3. working as educators 4. working as social workers. The basic goal of the Left now is to give maximum benefits to its client groups within the context of a mostly market economy, and to route out of public discourse anyone who disagrees with their basic premises.

There are a couple of reasons why this is likely to continue. First, the mainstream Right is mostly concerned with capitalism and Empire, and by and large they are not under threat. The Left and Right mutually support one another. The Left supplies the cheap labor that the Right profits from. The Democrats are just as likely to bomb a country as the Republicans are.


Two, there's enough money to go around for now. You may not like seeing Caitlyn Jenner on the cover of Vogue, and you might wonder how much money your company is wasting on HR departments, but ultimately you've got yours, so why bother about it?

[Alfa]

(06-14-2015 04:28 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 04:52 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

The blog itself is where the term "The Cathedral" came from, shorthand for the consensus that exists between our media, education system, and government that helps push us from a place where in the 1990s DOMA was considered perfectly fine, and today it is considered practically primitive.

From:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_(fallacy)

"Reification (.... or the fallacy of misplaced concreteness) is a fallacy of ambiguity, when an abstraction (abstract belief or hypothetical construct) is treated as if it were a concrete, real event, or physical entity. [1][2] In other words, it is the error of treating something which is not concrete, such as an idea, as a concrete thing"

Reification is important to keep people churning and manipulate their anger, and keep them divided and conquered.

In fact on a issue like immigration in the USA, neither partly can possibly address the real issue-- there's something like 10 million illegal immigrants here--- because they both need hispanic votes, and neither can afford to alienate the strongly anti-immigration vote. So the specific issue MUST be avoided for political careers.
Out come deflector words like "patriotism, the Cathedral, etc. ". WORDS can keep happening, but there's no real NEGOTIATION.

I don't take any clear position on what immigration laws should be, I don't know enough about it, but I think instead of tap-dancing around it they should decide what they're going to do and we should be following SOME set of laws, instead of selectively enforcing what exists.

Terms like liberal, conservative, and cathedral give no foundation on which to seriously negotiate and reach agreement on specific concrete issues such as gun control/gunrights, affirmative action, immigration, male/female rights etc.

In the book Folly of Fools by Trivers, he suggests that anything aside from physics is open to manipulation and deceit. I think this is the main principle behind framing. You can call someone a progressive or a SJW, essentially we're referring to the same thing but with different connotations. By calling someone an SJW I can say it feels like shaming. Others may say it's pointing out the enemy. And around we go.

It's funny the book got three stars on amazon, mostly because it goes hard at jews, saying they call anyone antisemitic when confronted with criticism of their past or present actions.

[Sonsowey]

(06-14-2015 10:55 AM)Octavian Wrote:  

So, the Left changed it's direction. Instead of focusing on converting the working class, they focused on marginalized identity groups like racial minorities, women, gays, and now trannies. This is basically the direction Cultural Marxism took. Empower those groups, and they'll bring about the Marxist utopia.

The original link to that blog talks about what "left" and "right" mean. Of course leftists from the 1700s and leftists from today want different things. But the strand that connects them, according to the author of the original post I wrote about, is that right simply means top-down order, obedience, whereas left means less order. The left wants to take power and redistribute it into as many hands as possible, while the right wants a top-down system with obedience.

Economic liberalism, ie. free markets, in the 1700s were a way to get money and power out of the hands of the royals and the aristocracy and into the hands of the merchants, which at the time was a redistribution of wealth and power from a small group to a larger group.

Nowadays they want everything to be done by government, by committe, even in the private sector there are so many governmental regulations that force companies to have positions like HR which further redistributes power into even more hands and gives alternate sources of authority within a company than just the direct top-down structure of boss->underling.

[Octavian]

(06-15-2015 10:13 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 10:55 AM)Octavian Wrote:  

So, the Left changed it's direction. Instead of focusing on converting the working class, they focused on marginalized identity groups like racial minorities, women, gays, and now trannies. This is basically the direction Cultural Marxism took. Empower those groups, and they'll bring about the Marxist utopia.

The original link to that blog talks about what "left" and "right" mean. Of course leftists from the 1700s and leftists from today want different things. But the strand that connects them, according to the author of the original post I wrote about, is that right simply means top-down order, obedience, whereas left means less order. The left wants to take power and redistribute it into as many hands as possible, while the right wants a top-down system with obedience.

Economic liberalism, ie. free markets, in the 1700s were a way to get money and power out of the hands of the royals and the aristocracy and into the hands of the merchants, which at the time was a redistribution of wealth and power from a small group to a larger group.

Nowadays they want everything to be done by government, by committe, even in the private sector there are so many governmental regulations that force companies to have positions like HR which further redistributes power into even more hands and gives alternate sources of authority within a company than just the direct top-down structure of boss->underling.

Yes, I agree there is a strand that connects the Left together over time. The Left's preeminent value is equality. They put that before everything, whereas the Right's focus at least initially was on order, authority, and hierarchy.

I was just making the point that the focus of the Left's attention has changed. The classic Left thought that the economic class struggle was all important, and they wanted to eliminate the class struggle through the dictatorship of the proletariat. Nowadays the focus is less on the working class and more on identity categories like race, gender, and sexuality. The Left wants to use the government and shape the culture in such a way to redistribute power along those lines. There is a residual concern for economic class, but I don't think that's where the action is these days. Your standard issue liberal is more likely to get emotional over some microagression suffered by a tranny than a married, gun-owning, churchgoing factory worker from the Midwest who gets laid off.

[SunW]

Just thought I'd share with this everyone on the forum, as a member asked me about book recommendations based on my post on the Fed and I suggested any book by Thomas Sowell (if you've never read one of his book, Basic Economics is the best place to start).

You can also find a lot of interviews with him on YouTube where he talks about many issues, like income inequality (see the below video), gender wage inequality (he explains why men make more), etc.

The man drops gold bars of wisdom.

Just remember too: when talking about categories, like the top 20%, or the bottom 20%, a lot of information is being left out. Like what is the median age of each category (as people age, they tend to make more), what is the level of education, what is level of work experience, etc. When you factor all these data, you begin to realize that a lot of the "income inequality" is a bunch of journalists who've never done statistics.

[Samseau]

(06-14-2015 05:08 AM)SunW Wrote:  

If you doubt this, look at foreign Millennials who work in the US (they do very well), homeschooled Millennials in the US (they really do well), and Millennials who are from poorer families in the US. About 80% of these make 2-3 times above median income at their ages (non of which are at their peak earning years yet). Yet these were the Millennials who received the counter cultural message of "You ain't special."

Actually, my experience is exactly what statistics confirm. Most millennials put in more effort than their parents, and less than half got a job out of it. Millennials are the least employed demographic in America right now. The idea they didn't work hard is just a trope; they put more time into their schooling than almost any generation before them.

The problem is that they weren't learning anything; the school system was corrupted during the 1980's and all of the millennials grew up with zero knowledge despite 16+ years of "education."

You seem to live in a fantasy that America is a free-market economy that rewards hard work, in reality this is the land of Affirmative-Action politics, make-work jobs, and zero-sum economics. Those who get the best jobs kiss ass the best; the only jobs that do not fall into these categories are:

- Science and Tech (man I wished I had been schooled for this but my parents were stupid)
- Blue collar work (which pay way less than they deserve thanks to illegal slave labor)

And Science and Tech jobs are rapidly being transformed by PC politics as we type, it won't be long before those sectors are corrupted into shit as well.

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Other than that, you are incorrect in blaming the lazy - the people who coasted in unemployment were merely acting rationally according to price theory as these same people were used to a much more capitalistic system where prices previously meant something. Today prices are fake but most people cannot understand that.

In a way I agree and disagree. Anyone who lives according to a theory is a moron, but people do that. We can call it rational, but that's debatable, especially when we begin to consider the effects. That being said, I get what you mean and why you'd say that.

This is an important point to all men who read this: you may think that collecting unemployment (or not working) is a good move because it pays more, or you don't have to work, but what you may not recognize is how you're losing skills. Let's ignore your work skills and simply talk about patterns of behavior for a second. When you work, you have a schedule. Oh I know, you all hate it, but the schedule is a pattern of behavior, like it or not. You begin to live your life around that pattern of behavior, such as eat healthy, go to the gym, meet girls, build a social life, work a second (and third) job. The same is true for other basic things you have to do at your job, like look up healthcare plans, evaluate a 401k, etc. You may not see it, but you're learning stuff, while others are sitting around wasting their life by watching Game of Thrones. I can't remember the famous investor who said that Americans are constantly trying to escape reality by running into entertainment, but eventually, reality catches up with everyone.

Whether you like it or not (at the time), you are learning other skills while you're doing this, such as managing your time wisely, evaluating whether you're getting a return on your time (this is why men debate whether they should pursue money or girls and how much for each), etc. Time and time again, I've seen young people "punch out" and retire early, only to mismanage everything in their life, blow tons of cash, and end up in debt and needing to work again (and these kids never end up with a better job - they always end up with an even worse job). These are usually the idiots who read books like the 4 Hour Work Week and think they can just work 4 hours (ironically, Ferriss is one of the few people I know who regularly works 100+ hours a week). Likewise, they desperately scour the internet for stories of that one exception, without realizing that exceptions don't prove rules (it's funny to ask people what is an exception because so many people don't realize what it means).

Where ever you are, that is where your opportunities lie. If you are excellent at seizing this moment's opportunities in front of you, you'll be excellent at doing it when you move on. This happens consistently. The people who don't, time and time again, aren't able to seize on life's next opportunities. This is why you don't want to collect unemployment; it's the pattern of behavior that you miss learning. Finally, the most important behavioral pattern - self-reliance - is taken away. Unemployment is nothing short of financial castration; you are relying on the state. Go ahead, cut off your balls and watch what happens.

Nah, you aren't seeing it. Some men get those unemployment checks and smoke weed all day. Other guys take the checks and look for hustles under the table so they can transition into a non-taxable lifestyle. That's obviously the smartest solution and I believe tons of guys are doing it today. Also there are men who take the unemployment checks and retrain themselves into other sectors, so in reality the unemployment check is usually the best solution no matter what you do.

Finally, even the guys who smoke weed all day are making the rational decision because you seem to think there is a point to winning a game where 50% of your income is stolen from you. But of course there is no winning this game, for average men dropping out is far easier and has just as high of a likelihood of going to heaven.

[Downtown]

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[CJ_W]

(06-17-2015 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Actually, my experience is exactly what statistics confirm. Most millennials put in more effort than their parents, and less than half got a job out of it. Millennials are the least employed demographic in America right now. The idea they didn't work hard is just a trope; they put more time into their schooling than almost any generation before them.

Pretty much this, as a "Lazy Millennial" myself, I WORKED MY ASS OFF, held two Jobs while was in college, Hell I started working every summer since I was 15, then once I graduated and went to college, I worked pretty much every fucking day, I would get 5-6 hours of sleep a night because I was working and going to school (and I still got laid. . .but that's a different story) This was just to pay for college while I was there.

Thing is, I was always told "You can get a job in a lot of fields with any degrees" (ended up with a Music degree instead of a STEM one) This was told to me by EVERYONE, the advisors at school, company recruiters, everyone. . .of course this was pre-2008 and the bubble economy was in effect, so no one really knew what was going to happen then, the internet was just starting to get good, so not much information was really readily available, there were no RVF type forums or clubs back then as there really wasn't a need for it as feminism didn't infect everything it touched yet - it was getting there but it mostly stayed in those shitty "women's studies" courses, or "Take back the night marches" or "Womyn's" clubs which consisted of fat ugly women trying to promote "sex positivity" or doing the vagina monologues, and were seen by the rest of the population as plain weird butch lesbians who should be avoided, not given attention and surely not given sex. The only thing remotely close to RVF was the mASF forums which were small and just starting up, and the No Ma'am site, which consisted of angry MRA's (you already know how we really feel about MRA's on this forum. . .and it's not positive) who only taught me about divorce rape, and that I should not get married(but I already knew that from My father's issues and him telling me to never get married). My parents pretty much could hold one small part-time job IN THE SUMMER and pay for school, and a place to live. . .AND A CAR in most situations. I had to work 10-11 hours + go to school (and about 45-50 hours in the summer)and STILL had to pay about 10K in loans when I got out, then to be met with slim job prospects because I didn't get a STEM degree post 2008... but yeah we're lazy Millennials. I really hate when people use that term to explain why we as a generation aren't doing well at all when it was the previous generations/greedy bankers/older homeowners that fucked it up for us. by borrowing well beyond their means. . .while I had to live in a shitty one bedroom apartment with my parent in a shitty dangerous neighborhood until I left for school only to after working so hard, to be left with shitty job prospects. . .but I'm living abroad now so whatever.

(06-17-2015 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The problem is that they weren't learning anything; the school system was corrupted during the 1980's and all of the millennials grew up with zero knowledge despite 16+ years of "education."

Preach

(06-17-2015 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You seem to live in a fantasy that America is a free-market economy that rewards hard work, in reality this is the land of Affirmative-Action politics, make-work jobs, and zero-sum economics. Those who get the best jobs kiss ass the best; the only jobs that do not fall into these categories are:

- Science and Tech (man I wished I had been schooled for this but my parents were stupid)
- Blue collar work (which pay way less than they deserve thanks to illegal slave labor)

And Science and Tech jobs are rapidly being transformed by PC politics as we type, it won't be long before those sectors are corrupted into shit as well.

While I agree that hard work is a euphemism by the rich + their paid shills for "let us exploit you until you die" I disagree with the "Affirmative action society" at least as race is concerned. For one, I busted my ass off my whole life, and secondly, I really didn't get any more chances than white people when I came to finding jobs (I'm black) despite having a kickass resume and tons of work experience, the only jobs I did find were ones that exploited the fuck out of me (temp jobs that work you as hard as full time but with 1/10th the pay and the possibility of being fired at a moment's notice) or ones that didn't even pay a salary (commission based jobs where you have to stand outside a fucking gas station for 12 hours a day selling stupid fucking shit no one wants - in my case it was windshield cleaner)

It's obvious that when people talk about "Millennials" being lazy, that they THEMSELVES have never had to struggle in their lives and are just talking shit from an ivory tower, or simply got lucky and expect everyone else to be just as lucky as they were. There's a word for that. . .
I think it was called.

Solipsism.

But, I could be wrong. . .no, I am most certainly wrong, of course, because again, I am a "lazy Millennial", what do I know right?

Don't let me get started on unemployment.

You can't even GET unemployment as a man in most cases, I couldn't and I was actively looking for work, and very desperate for work at one point. I'm not going to get in to a huge rant on unemployment because the people who I'd talk to obviously never had to have to rely on that, and think that everyone who somehow gets it is just "Lazing around all day" Yeah, no.

(06-17-2015 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Nah, you aren't seeing it. Some men get those unemployment checks and smoke weed all day. Other guys take the checks and look for hustles under the table so they can transition into a non-taxable lifestyle. That's obviously the smartest solution and I believe tons of guys are doing it today. Also there are men who take the unemployment checks and retrain themselves into other sectors, so in reality the unemployment check is usually the best solution no matter what you do.

This is what I noticed the most, a LOT of guys are going into hard labor, plumping, electrician, etc type jobs. . .by the time I finally found myself a temp job, I was done, I just saved enough money to go back abroad and work there. I was done with America by that point.

(06-17-2015 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Finally, even the guys who smoke weed all day are making the rational decision because you seem to think there is a point to winning a game where 50% of your income is stolen from you. But of course there is no winning this game, for average men dropping out is far easier and has just as high of a likelihood of going to heaven.

Sadly this is where we are as a society, the common man is just being exploited more and more while being told to "Just work harder" which just equals = "Just let us (the rich employers) exploit you more, oh and if you get sick, we're not going to give you any health care, and we don't want to pay taxes for the government to do so either, oh and if you DO get sick, or have an unexpected health problem so bad that you can't come to work but have to go to the doctor and/or hospital and you miss a day of work, you're fired." (have had that happen to me, had a heart problem and needed to get treated. . . so that I wouldn't . . . you know, die. After getting released form the hospital, I had the wonderful experience of getting a phone call from my "employer" telling me that I was being "let go" despite being told how great of a job I was doing not less than 3 days before by the same managers I was being fired by)

So Yeah, to all the people who try to talk shit about "Millennials", Fuck you. You've never had to stand in a bread line at the salvation army to get your only meal a day while trying to find work because food stamps run out (I have) or have had to stay in a fucking homeless shelter trying to find work (there are a LOT of people who do this now ) hell, I knew a guy who was an accountant who worked at a firm for 20 years, got laid off, couldn't find a new job in six months, despite having the qualifications, and had to move into a homeless shelter while searching for work. I'm sorry but. . .fuck you.You've never had to battle thoughts of suicide on a daily basis, because live was just becoming a never ending feeling of "what's the point?" day in and day out, through searching for jobs, struggling in daily life and health at the age of 28 etc. . . etc. . . Usually I wouldn't resort to personal attacks on people on forums, but I've been through too much to have people who have never had to go hungry a day in their lives say shit about how people like me are "Lazy, living off of welfare checks, and benefit from affirmative action." when that is ridiculously wrong and off base. I'm glad I found the forum, so I can usually take the good with the bad, but some of the comments here are just so full of ignorance that it makes me want to drive a screwdriver through my monitor. If my post breaks any rules, I'll gladly except the punishment. I am a man who takes responsibility for my actions, but sometimes I Just can't stay quiet when ignorance is being spouted ad nauseum.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

"...the history of the United States shows that things basically only move in one direction: further and further left."

I question this premise. Speaking from the realm of how people behave socially:

The Roaring Twenties were pretty liberal. But after a decade of a depression and a World War, we entered into a seriously conservative and repressive time from around 1948-1965.

The late '60s and 1970s were also a very liberal time. Then we had a slew of high-profile drug deaths (which was new then) and the AIDS scare. So we ended up in the Reagan Era, which was conservative. I'd say Reagan's influence was pervasive from 1981-1995.

After Sept. 11 we also had a mini period of conservatism from around 2001-06.

What we can learn from all this is that whenever a major crisis hits and survival, not hedonism or selfishness becomes a priority, people reflexively become more conservative. In times of trouble a lot of the things people once thought of as important seem frivolous.

A society obsessed with concepts like "gender fluidity," micro-aggressions, and the Kardashians is a society that's living relatively safely, not worried about the more basic concepts on Maslow's heirarchy of needs (food, shelter). That won't last forever, since every generation has to deal with at least one major crisis or tragedy.

[samsamsam]

We had a chance for a course correction had we had another depression rather than just a recession. Would have really reset some values if there was tremendous financial pain throughout the country. Not that there wasn't pain during this recession but a depression would have really hurt.

[Samseau]

(06-17-2015 09:34 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You seem to live in a fantasy that America is a free-market economy that rewards hard work, in reality this is the land of Affirmative-Action politics, make-work jobs, and zero-sum economics. Those who get the best jobs kiss ass the best; the only jobs that do not fall into these categories are:

- Science and Tech (man I wished I had been schooled for this but my parents were stupid)
- Blue collar work (which pay way less than they deserve thanks to illegal slave labor)

And Science and Tech jobs are rapidly being transformed by PC politics as we type, it won't be long before those sectors are corrupted into shit as well.

While I agree that hard work is a euphemism by the rich + their paid shills for "let us exploit you until you die" I disagree with the "Affirmative action society" at least as race is concerned. For one, I busted my ass off my whole life, and secondly, I really didn't get any more chances than white people when I came to finding jobs (I'm black) despite having a kickass resume and tons of work experience, the only jobs I did find were ones that exploited the fuck out of me (temp jobs that work you as hard as full time but with 1/10th the pay and the possibility of being fired at a moment's notice) or ones that didn't even pay a salary (commission based jobs where you have to stand outside a fucking gas station for 12 hours a day selling stupid fucking shit no one wants - in my case it was windshield cleaner)

Affirmative action isn't just about race bro. It's actually mostly about sex. Have you ever been to any government agency, or non-profit, or HR department, or consulting firm? Females outnumber men 4:1 on average, and the few blacks there are just token blacks to help push out any unwanted white guys. You have to see it to believe it, there are literally cubicle farms of millions of white women (in their 30's and 40's mostly) doing nothing on the government dole all across America.

I was lucky to see it firsthand in Massachusetts, I got hired into a non-profit by gaming some 36-year old skank at a nightclub at Harvard Sq. She asked me what I did, I told her I had no job (this was after I left law school) and she offered me a job. I think she had intentions of trying to bang me but I only gave her my company and never my dick, I needed that job 100x more than I needed her. Friendzoning her seemed to satisfy her loneliness.

Regardless, inside of just one building I saw over 100 employees in a non-profit cubicle farm, pushing paperwork doing jack shit all day for insurance companies regarding children's healthcare. The women usually just were catty to each other: the makeup of the building was 60 white women, 20 black women, 5 hispanic women, 10 black men, and 5 white men (including myself; and I'm mixed race with white skin! I'm not even a 'true' white). THAT is affirmative action.

The whole, "white man vs black man" is bullshit, I've been trying to tell this to people for years but it doesn't seem like very many people get it.

[Sonsowey]

(06-18-2015 12:44 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Regardless, inside of just one building I saw over 100 employees in a non-profit cubicle farm, pushing paperwork doing jack shit all day for insurance companies regarding children's healthcare. The women usually just were catty to each other: the makeup of the building was 60 white women, 20 black women, 5 hispanic women, 10 black men, and 5 white men (including myself; and I'm mixed race with white skin! I'm not even a 'true' white). THAT is affirmative action.

There's nothing like going into the belly of the beast to start to really hate it.

[Troutslayer]

Would love to get Quintus' input on this thread. He and Roosh had a good discussion on one of the recent culture war chats that seems relevant here.

Roosh, ever the pessimist, was lamenting what he saw as the continuing and inexorable degradation of western civilization, morals, ect. Quintus took the opposing view, saying that if one uses history as a reference, it is remarkable the speed at which seemingly invincible cultural/political edifices can crumble. The French aristocracy and the Soviet Union were two of the examples he cited. A common thread these two institutions shared with our current leftists is that by the end they had reached the point of parody. Can anyone truly deny the leftist cultural/political establishment is not approaching this point now?

While it may seem the march of degeneracy will continue into eternity, one must consider that such a world would require the denial of reality by so much of the population, to such a degree as to be nigh impossible. I believe Bob Marley said it best: "You can fool some people some times, but you can't fool all the people all the time." Though this is exactly what the left has to do: fool all the people all the time. Their narrative and defining values are a denial of truth, human nature and natural law (God if you so prefer). How long can a value system built upon falsehood sustain itself? Two generations? Maybe three? I would take solace, if we do not see the end of this miasma, our children surely will.

[The_CEO]

^^^^^
Interesting that you're quoting someone who the establishment at the time viewed as a leftist degenerate.

[Troutslayer]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[RawGod]

Bob Marley did have a little help from Abraham Lincoln on that quote.

[Samseau]

(06-17-2015 10:15 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

"...the history of the United States shows that things basically only move in one direction: further and further left."

I question this premise. Speaking from the realm of how people behave socially:

The Roaring Twenties were pretty liberal. But after a decade of a depression and a World War, we entered into a seriously conservative and repressive time from around 1948-1965.

The late '60s and 1970s were also a very liberal time. Then we had a slew of high-profile drug deaths (which was new then) and the AIDS scare. So we ended up in the Reagan Era, which was conservative. I'd say Reagan's influence was pervasive from 1981-1995.

After Sept. 11 we also had a mini period of conservatism from around 2001-06.

What we can learn from all this is that whenever a major crisis hits and survival, not hedonism or selfishness becomes a priority, people reflexively become more conservative. In times of trouble a lot of the things people once thought of as important seem frivolous.

A society obsessed with concepts like "gender fluidity," micro-aggressions, and the Kardashians is a society that's living relatively safely, not worried about the more basic concepts on Maslow's heirarchy of needs (food, shelter). That won't last forever, since every generation has to deal with at least one major crisis or tragedy.

Just because there is a pushback here and there doesn't invalidate the overall trend to the left.

You seem to forget that the Soviets, even as they went further and further to the Left, had plenty of denial of truth:

- Famines
- Wars
- Terrible job prospects

Didn't stop the state from imposing its will over everyone until the country was completely bankrupt 83 years later.

[Samseau]

(06-18-2015 11:52 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

Bob Marley did have a little help from Abraham Lincoln on that quote.

It seems it was a french guy actually.

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/12/11/cannot-fool/

Quote:

In conclusion, Jacques Abbadie should be credited with the interesting precursor statement in French. QI believes based on current evidence that Abraham Lincoln probably did not employ this well-known adage.

QI speculates that someone in the prohibitionist movement was exposed directly or indirectly to the works of Jacques Abbadie or Denis Diderot. He or she began to use the expression on or before 1885, and by 1886 the words were reassigned to Lincoln who was revered by many as a moral paragon.

[Sonsowey]

(06-10-2015 01:42 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Moldbug is too wordy, and I think his Cathedral metaphor isn't a very good one.

I think it really is pretty spot on.

[Sonsowey]

A wonderful bit of writing called "The Rise of Universalism" here bringing together a lot of data on the original quesiton: Why we are always moving left, and not likely to stop:

Quote:

I don’t particularly lament the secular rise of “universalism” that has occurred in Northwestern European societies (and their derivatives). Indeed, as a Black man, this is especially important to me. Without universalism, slavery may never have ended in the West. Without universalism, my family may never have been able to come to the United States from Jamaica, and I would likely not exist. Without universalism, laws banning interracial marriage might still be on the books, and my marriage to my wife would not be recognized throughout much of the country, and quite possibly my son would not exist.

“Universalism” is, broadly, the belief that all humans deserve the rights and recognition that historically people would only reserve for their own clan, own tribe, or at best, own countrymen. The idea of “universal human rights” is a very foreign concept to most of the world (even if many pay lip service to the idea today). As we saw in my previous post (200 Blog Posts – Everything You Need to Know (To Start): section Intraracial group variation and HBD Chick’s theory), this is the purview of Northwestern Europeans, a group of people who are distinct from all others in the world.

Many Northwestern Europeans unfamiliar with this fact assume that values found in WEIRDO societies are found across the globe. This has led some like Steven Pinker to conclude that all humanity is imbued with an “expanding moral circle.” That is, we posses an adjustable circle of morality, that can be expanded when we gain familiarity with those outside. If one confines oneself to NW European societies, it sure does look that way: we no longer keep people as slaves; we feel all have a right to participate in democracy; we don’t allow child labor; we feel that the disabled and the mentally ill deserve to live with dignity; Jim Crow has ended. We have enshrined a Universal Declaration of Human Rights as adopted by the United Nations (a NW European invention). We even extend some of these ideas beyond the human species with certain segments pushing for animal rights...

In short, the idea appears to be this: once sympathy (and hence rights) are extended to one group, what’s to stop it from being extended further? If it is wrong to enslave poor Englishmen, then why is it OK to enslave Blacks or Native Americans? If the wealthy are deserving of living decent, healthy lives, why not the poor? If men can have the right to vote and earn a living, why can’t women? If Whites can marry other Whites, and Blacks can marry other Blacks, why can’t Blacks marry Whites? If straights can get married, why not gays? If “cis-gendered” can have their own bathrooms, why shouldn’t transgendered?

The progress has carried us from the abolition of slavery all the way up to the “safe spaces” and “microaggressions” of today. NW Euro society aims to be more inclusive, as the expanding moral circle identifies more targets worthy of human regard. This means the process isn’t over, as it will likely continue to expand.

https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2015/06/27...versalism/

[KorbenDallas]

I've been living in the US because the government hasn't put its hand into my business until this summer.

What I do was kind of like a unicorn in the US. Somehow under momentum from the 40's the government had decided to leave my industry alone.

No longer.

I'm out.

America sucks. You have no freedom. Women have been made property of the states and even if you do find the right girl you are not allowed to married her. You simply become her servant under threat of financial ruin.

I haven't talked about it on the forum because people could sort of connect the dots and find out my real name pretty easily, so, I'm not going into details. But it started this summer.


My rage has been slowly simmering, but now I'm over it. I don't owe anybody anything, and I'm simply out.

For those who rag on millenials, I join the chorus with CJ_W: I don't care and Fuck you.

[Samseau]

This cartoon sums up the people who destroyed America: