[depravity]

I've been lurking some of the red pill topics on this forum when it comes to looks and it's making me feel kind of discouraged. I'm 5'11 and around 20% body fat (my cheeks are puffy/lack definition, and I have slight belly fat) and I don't get IOI's often. I pretty much have to put in work if I want to get girls so I assume I'm average-looking. I'm doing what I can about my appearance - I use face cleanser or whatever you call it, lift weights and I'm a month into a cut/calorie deficit. Do you think getting down to 10% body fat would be a significant improvement? I've never been that lean before so I don''t fully know what I'm working with.

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[Il Bersagliere]

Just thank god you are not short. I was in the Chik-Fil-A line today and noticed I was taller than every guy and girl there. Made me a little proud. You look like a rapper.

[kiwanuka9494]

to be honest you look like kid cudi.

there are far worse looking people in the world

[MikeS]

I checked your photos. If that's average then my face must be a 4 (I usually think of myself as average in that regard). A bunch of things at various times in my life have kept my progress with women slow for long or short periods of time, but I've never thought of my face as being one of the particularly relevant ones.

Get in shape and your body fat down (your face alone doesn't really show an obvious 20% bodyfat to me, my guess would probably be around 15%) and I think your looks should be the last thing you should worry about holding you back.

[Saweeep]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with you, whatsoever.

You're a good looking guy.

How old are you?

[kaotic]

Not at all, man, you're a good looking gent.

The things you should be working on is inner game, confidence, hitting the gym hard, dieting right, and then approaching girls.

You've got nothing to worry about in the looks department.

[depravity]

(06-08-2015 01:50 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

There is absolutely nothing wrong with you, whatsoever.

You're a good looking guy.

How old are you?

20.

[Dusty]

I think these kind of threads are insecure guys fishing for compliments.

I could be wrong.

[game_ethic]

Everyone has to put in work to get laid, even good looking guys. Just focus on lifting hard and working on your game. You're a good looking guy.

[depravity]

To me it's just a measure of how tough it's going to be for me to get results initially. Am I going to have to become a complete monster at game to even get noticed (like tyler durden) or am I not that far off from what girls are attracted to and can see some improvement by making minor tweaks (lower body fat, decent/functional game, etc.)? I can't tell. I know its petty, but it's kind of a different ball game depending on those factors.

[kaotic]

(06-08-2015 02:19 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

I think these kind of threads are insecure guys fishing for compliments.

I could be wrong.

Some guys just want some help, I'm more than happy to oblige them, regardless if they're looking for compliments.

He's 20, that tells you alot right there, the fact he found this site is a gold mine for him.

[OregonToSoCal]

You have a great base to start from. I'll give the usual advice. Up your fashion, style and game and you'll absolutely kill it! Welcome to the forum.

[tallandblonde]

(06-08-2015 02:30 PM)depravity Wrote:  

To me it's just a measure of how much work I should expect to have to put in in order to get results. Am I going to have to become a complete monster at game to even get noticed (like tyler durden) or am I not that far off from what girls are attracted to and can see some improvement by making minor tweaks (lower body fat, decent/functional game, etc.)? I can't tell. I know its petty, but it's kind of a different ball game depending on those factors.

Well what are your goals? Definitely the more you put into it the more you'll get out of it. It's a numbers game. Do your approaches during the day, swipe right/left on tinder, go on your drink dates, and you'll end up banging some girls. The rest is really up to you as to how good looking they are and how often you get laid. I will say this: looks mean NOTHING if you don't have game. Internalize that, and you'll have more success.

You do not deserve anything more than the next guy just because you're fit, good looking, etc. These are secondary factors that obviously have an outcome on your results, but if you can't gather up the balls to open the hot girl that walks by you on the street, then it's a worthless point.

[depravity]

(06-08-2015 01:06 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

Just thank god you are not short. I was in the Chik-Fil-A line today and noticed I was taller than every guy and girl there. Made me a little proud. You look like a rapper.

I did a sloppy measurement at home and I'm actually something like 5'10-5'10 1/2 barefoot, and 5'11-5'11 1/2 in shoes. I'm taller than most girls and I see a lot of guys that are shorter than me.

[civpro]

You are a good looking black guy and you are not above 20% bf. I would think you're either a troll or a narcissist. Since you paid for your membership I'd go with the latter.

[depravity]

My body's flabbier than the 20% one, and less so than the 25% one. Most of my fat goes to my thighs/ass/love handles and my gut sticks out a bit.

[Fortis]

Not bad facial aesthetics, actually. Why not take advantage of that and work on your body? Being in better shape will help most guys with their game. Unless you look like a fitness competitor, you really can't go wrong with adding more size.

[rudebwoy]

Get in shape.
Stop drinking.
Clean your diet.
Get your money right.
Learn another language.
GTFO of America.

[depravity]

(06-08-2015 06:00 PM)civpro Wrote:  

You are a good looking black guy and you are not above 20% bf. I would think you're either a troll or a narcissist. Since you paid for your membership I'd go with the latter.

I'm also a textbook AFC case at the moment, so it's not outlandish for me to question what my objective standing is from a redpill perspective. I've read a lot of shit about the current state of the dating world and it's pretty depressing. My sexual market value is currently low based on the results I'm getting as a young guy, so there has to be some objective reason for it - the decent looking guys in highschool generally got the results you'd expect them to. It's genuinely hard to tell if this is the level that I'm going to stay at regardless of whether I do 1000+ cold approaches when I can't even get a cute girl on tinder or pof. The amount of desperation I've shown on those websites is sickening and it's honestly lowered my self-esteem - it's stripped me of any delusions that I could have about my desirability and now I'm just trying to cope.

[Jetlagged]

(06-08-2015 08:18 PM)depravity Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 06:00 PM)civpro Wrote:  

You are a good looking black guy and you are not above 20% bf. I would think you're either a troll or a narcissist. Since you paid for your membership I'd go with the latter.

I'm also a textbook AFC case at the moment, so it's not outlandish for me to question what my objective standing is from a redpill perspective. I've read a lot of shit about the current state of the dating world and it's pretty depressing. My sexual market value is currently low based on the results I'm getting as a young guy, so there has to be some objective reason for it - the decent looking guys in highschool generally got the results you'd expect them to. It's genuinely hard to tell if this is the level that I'm going to stay at regardless of whether I do 1000+ cold approaches when I can't even get a cute girl on tinder or pof. The amount of desperation I've shown on those websites is sickening and it's honestly lowered my self-esteem - it's stripped me of any delusions that I could have about my desirability and now I'm just trying to cope.

Girls have a sixth sense for confidence. They would peg me all the time as unconfident and almost always could guess +- 2 my number of notches.

Change your thinking, it's tough but slowly and surely it can happen. If you can leave USA for a little and hit up somewhere a little different culturally, at your height, you will get a lot of attention and get good life experience. Europe is good off the beaten path, of course Asia, Latin America. Puerto Rico might be a good option.

If you're uncomfortable about your body change it. Gym regularly will give you a confidence boost as well as a test boost which is very helpful.

I'm jaded about height but I truly believe if you're six feet tall (you're only one inch away) it's very hard to be unattractive if you're in reasonable shape and sans favisl deformity. It gives you presence and masculinity and is generally regarded as one of the most attractive things for women in a man.

Claim 6ft get in shape change your attitude and confidence. Your attitude is seeping out of your body and poisining your vibe. Make eye contact and smile at a bitch, watch the difference. Check out my thread if you want motivation, were in a similar boat.

[Blackwell]

Lift heavy weights.

Eat a quality diet.

Take care of yourself with a solid grooming/skincare routine. This forum is stacked with tips and tricks if you look.

Sharpen up your wardrobe.

Build a killer Instagram profile. Get quality pictures. Invest time into it.

Build a quality Tinder/OKC/POF etcetera. Your a decent looking dude you won't have issues if you can get quality pictures.

Become unashamedly unapologetically confident.

Try and fuck anything that moves.

[Phoenix]

Yes, the drop from 20% to 10% will make a huge difference. Goodlookingloser has addressed this too.

[Lizard King]

Your attitude, vanity and obsession with self is the ceiling to your success.

[Cobra]

(06-08-2015 06:00 PM)civpro Wrote:  

You are a good looking black guy and you are not above 20% bf. I would think you're either a troll or a narcissist. Since you paid for your membership I'd go with the latter.

I've noticed a pattern in your posts.

Either you are unnecessarily abrasive and hard on newbies asking for advice or when you provide it, do it with a tone of hate, superiority and even superficiality. It's an odd mix and I think it has the effect of steering newbies further into self hate. I don't know where it's coming from but you're spreading it on the forum.

Like the one post you made about how a "Hot girls won't even look at you since you have xxx physical attribute. All you can do is get super ripped and get some lower end girls." I actually sensed a lot of self hate from you in that post.

OP is no narcissist. He's 20 years old and just wants help.

I'm not saying you need to be overly positive but being overly negative, and on top of that, abrasive and impractical when the poor guy just wants advice is striking me as quite odd. That just may be your style but it borders trolling and doesn't fit with forum ideals.

"Tough love" has its place but not if you're drilling into someone that they are fucked and make that more relevant than actual self improvement, then the forum may not be the place for you.

I didn't want to bring it up but I keep seeing it over and over and it's starting to get old.

[MaceTyrell]

As my first post here, and as a fellow African American male...if you're worried about your looks I should be TERRIFIED.

You're good looking man.