[MdWanderer]

^Triple G one of the few good things about gaming in DC is that 38 isn't too old there. You have a large amount of careerist, never married single women pushing 40 in that area. Not that single career women pushing 40 is a good thing, but it allows some options for older guys who don't wanna deal with single moms or divorcees.

[RedPillUK]

hope you appreciate the tough love man, and if you don't, hopefully you'll re-read it and appreciate it in the future.

We are genuinely trying to help you. I just hope each failed approach isn't causing your confidence to go down and catch you in a bad spiral.

[XXL]

What are you talking about OP? You look fine are you are.

(06-16-2015 09:10 PM)depravity Wrote:  

what I don't get is how is it that a girl that would've rejected me (most cute/attractive girls basically) if I went direct would suddenly become interested if I had a boring conversation with her about the weather?

It's obvious.. girls hate when guys hit on them. Especially those hotter ones. They might be flattered but still they feel like an object. Some random guys walk up and start trying to make moves on them just because they're horny. Can you blame them? Imagine some gay guy starts hitting on you out of the blue. Similar feeling

I know direct game feels more natural than talking about random nonsense. But again.. direct game is NOT about hitting on girls from the get go telling them they're cute. You can be direct with your intentions without stating the obvious.

Like Distant Light once said.. "what's subtle to you is obvious for women, what's obvious to you is try hard for women". It's so true. Women feel how you talk to them and know your intentions even when you don't tell them so there's no need to state the obvious.

Of course saying a compliment is fine when it's just an expression of how you feel about the girl. Can be said whenever. However for some reason some guys view direct game as saying some sort of a magic phrase that shows how ballsy they are which suppose to impress girls and open their hearts. Nonsense.

When you go up and start talking without hitting on a girl you have opportunity to convey your attractive traits without pressuring the girl to make up her mind about you then and there. You buy more time for yourself. And in this game time is your best friend cause girls can only open up to guys they become familiar with at least a bit. So the real skill is not to try to impress them with with your elevator pitch but to take it slower and burn the from gradually.

Basically If you can just chat chat chat for a looooong period of time without freaking out or saying something stupid along the way your game will get reaaally good. Add some leading to the mix and that's all you need.

Look at this. Girls know that he's interested in talking to them even though he goes in with some very casual boring bullshit.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3Bw3J5JuCc

(06-16-2015 09:32 PM)depravity Wrote:  

Maybe my voice (which sometimes comes out kind of high/childish) or a certain expression on my face might be a deterrant but I think guys that are good looking get away with being a bit insecure, and I honestly sound calm when I open a girl most of the time.

You should watch out for that cause voice and tonality is huge thing. You can feel insecure but you have to speak clearly.

(06-17-2015 02:31 PM)depravity Wrote:  

My sticking point with elderly game is that most of the questions I can think of are retarded (I live in New York and don't know how to take a train transfer, I'm asking for directions when I probably have a smartphone, or I'm asking about a Starbucks when there's a coffee shop on every street). I also don't know how to segueway after they give me directions, I'm not good at talking off-the-cuff - I tried "are you from around here?" right after on one girl and she said yes and walked off smirking because she probably got the sense that I was hitting on her. Most of these girls didn't look receptive to tedious small talk, plus it makes me feel like a chode/asexual - wasting an approach on a hot girl to ask about McDonald's.

Relevant stuff for you to read...

DIRECT OR INDIRECT -- IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD ACTUALLY:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-27791-...#pid529270

STRIKING UP A CONVERSATION -- 90/10 RULE FOR THE WIN:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-31002-...#pid609679

FUCK "I REALLY LIKE YOU" GAME -- BE ENGAGING INSTEAD:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33933-...#pid681698

(06-17-2015 02:52 PM)depravity Wrote:  

It's funny to see the girls who walk fast and have resting bitchface (likely blowout if I went direct) being helpful and having her guard completely down though.

Yup. Those fast blowouts are automatic responses. They don't even reject the person doing it they reject that specific kind of approach [hitting on them]. They just hate it. Befriend some hotties and they will tell you how they feel about guys objectifying them from the start with their amazing "direct" game.

Good luck

[civpro]

(06-09-2015 07:32 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 06:00 PM)civpro Wrote:  

You are a good looking black guy and you are not above 20% bf. I would think you're either a troll or a narcissist. Since you paid for your membership I'd go with the latter.

I've noticed a pattern in your posts.

Either you are unnecessarily abrasive and hard on newbies asking for advice or when you provide it, do it with a tone of hate, superiority and even superficiality. It's an odd mix and I think it has the effect of steering newbies further into self hate. I don't know where it's coming from but you're spreading it on the forum.

Like the one post you made about how a "Hot girls won't even look at you since you have xxx physical attribute. All you can do is get super ripped and get some lower end girls." I actually sensed a lot of self hate from you in that post.

OP is no narcissist. He's 20 years old and just wants help.

I'm not saying you need to be overly positive but being overly negative, and on top of that, abrasive and impractical when the poor guy just wants advice is striking me as quite odd. That just may be your style but it borders trolling and doesn't fit with forum ideals.

"Tough love" has its place but not if you're drilling into someone that they are fucked and make that more relevant than actual self improvement, then the forum may not be the place for you.

I didn't want to bring it up but I keep seeing it over and over and it's starting to get old.

Aaaand it looks like the OP was banned for being a narcissistic troll.

"Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment." - Robert Greene

[game_ethic]

Can't say I didn't see the ban coming.

EDIT: OP was clearly attention whoring. He also posted on here and here asking the same question.

[kaotic]

Hopefully he doesn't go the way of dude who went on an asian woman hitting spreed and offed himself.

[Cobra]

(06-23-2015 06:02 PM)civpro Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 07:32 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 06:00 PM)civpro Wrote:  

You are a good looking black guy and you are not above 20% bf. I would think you're either a troll or a narcissist. Since you paid for your membership I'd go with the latter.

I've noticed a pattern in your posts.

Either you are unnecessarily abrasive and hard on newbies asking for advice or when you provide it, do it with a tone of hate, superiority and even superficiality. It's an odd mix and I think it has the effect of steering newbies further into self hate. I don't know where it's coming from but you're spreading it on the forum.

Like the one post you made about how a "Hot girls won't even look at you since you have xxx physical attribute. All you can do is get super ripped and get some lower end girls." I actually sensed a lot of self hate from you in that post.

OP is no narcissist. He's 20 years old and just wants help.

I'm not saying you need to be overly positive but being overly negative, and on top of that, abrasive and impractical when the poor guy just wants advice is striking me as quite odd. That just may be your style but it borders trolling and doesn't fit with forum ideals.

"Tough love" has its place but not if you're drilling into someone that they are fucked and make that more relevant than actual self improvement, then the forum may not be the place for you.

I didn't want to bring it up but I keep seeing it over and over and it's starting to get old.

Aaaand it looks like the OP was banned for being a narcissistic troll.

"Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment." - Robert Greene

So you waited until the ban to comment on my post that I wrote before more facts came to light which caused the ban. Lame.

I still admit I was wrong though, not knowing the subsequent trolling pattern.

Can you admit you were negative and unhelpful? And maybe you can comment on the rest of my post as well. I'm interested in your thoughts on that.

[Blackwell]

(06-26-2015 10:10 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 06:02 PM)civpro Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 07:32 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 06:00 PM)civpro Wrote:  

You are a good looking black guy and you are not above 20% bf. I would think you're either a troll or a narcissist. Since you paid for your membership I'd go with the latter.

I've noticed a pattern in your posts.

Either you are unnecessarily abrasive and hard on newbies asking for advice or when you provide it, do it with a tone of hate, superiority and even superficiality. It's an odd mix and I think it has the effect of steering newbies further into self hate. I don't know where it's coming from but you're spreading it on the forum.

Like the one post you made about how a "Hot girls won't even look at you since you have xxx physical attribute. All you can do is get super ripped and get some lower end girls." I actually sensed a lot of self hate from you in that post.

OP is no narcissist. He's 20 years old and just wants help.

I'm not saying you need to be overly positive but being overly negative, and on top of that, abrasive and impractical when the poor guy just wants advice is striking me as quite odd. That just may be your style but it borders trolling and doesn't fit with forum ideals.

"Tough love" has its place but not if you're drilling into someone that they are fucked and make that more relevant than actual self improvement, then the forum may not be the place for you.

I didn't want to bring it up but I keep seeing it over and over and it's starting to get old.

Aaaand it looks like the OP was banned for being a narcissistic troll.

"Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment." - Robert Greene

So you waited until the ban to comment on my post that I wrote before more facts came to light which caused the ban. Lame.

I still admit I was wrong though, not knowing the subsequent trolling pattern.

Can you admit you were negative and unhelpful? And maybe you can comment on the rest of my post as well. I'm interested in your thoughts on that.

It doesn't matter whether he was being 'negative and unhelpful'.

The fact of the matter is civpro called it how he saw it and turns out he was right. There was no need to sugar coat it. He saw right through OP's bullshit.

I get that you'd prefer a softer approach but at the end of the day civpro was on the money and that's all there is. OP wasted yours and everybody else's time.

Accept the loss and move on.

[Jazzman92]

(06-23-2015 06:21 PM)game_ethic Wrote:  

Can't say I didn't see the ban coming.

EDIT: OP was clearly attention whoring. He also posted on here and here asking the same question.

I saw him post on the misc too, but he got banned.

[Dusty]

I figured out this cat in post #8.

[Cobra]

(06-27-2015 09:11 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 10:10 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 06:02 PM)civpro Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 07:32 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 06:00 PM)civpro Wrote:  

You are a good looking black guy and you are not above 20% bf. I would think you're either a troll or a narcissist. Since you paid for your membership I'd go with the latter.

I've noticed a pattern in your posts.

Either you are unnecessarily abrasive and hard on newbies asking for advice or when you provide it, do it with a tone of hate, superiority and even superficiality. It's an odd mix and I think it has the effect of steering newbies further into self hate. I don't know where it's coming from but you're spreading it on the forum.

Like the one post you made about how a "Hot girls won't even look at you since you have xxx physical attribute. All you can do is get super ripped and get some lower end girls." I actually sensed a lot of self hate from you in that post.

OP is no narcissist. He's 20 years old and just wants help.

I'm not saying you need to be overly positive but being overly negative, and on top of that, abrasive and impractical when the poor guy just wants advice is striking me as quite odd. That just may be your style but it borders trolling and doesn't fit with forum ideals.

"Tough love" has its place but not if you're drilling into someone that they are fucked and make that more relevant than actual self improvement, then the forum may not be the place for you.

I didn't want to bring it up but I keep seeing it over and over and it's starting to get old.

Aaaand it looks like the OP was banned for being a narcissistic troll.

"Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment." - Robert Greene

So you waited until the ban to comment on my post that I wrote before more facts came to light which caused the ban. Lame.

I still admit I was wrong though, not knowing the subsequent trolling pattern.

Can you admit you were negative and unhelpful? And maybe you can comment on the rest of my post as well. I'm interested in your thoughts on that.

It doesn't matter whether he was being 'negative and unhelpful'.

The fact of the matter is civpro called it how he saw it and turns out he was right. There was no need to sugar coat it. He saw right through OP's bullshit.

I get that you'd prefer a softer approach but at the end of the day civpro was on the money and that's all there is. OP wasted yours and everybody else's time.

Accept the loss and move on.

I did move on and don't mind a harsh approach usually. And this post in and of itself is not an issue.

However, it's the pattern continuing from the other posts I was highlighting.

I don't think you have read those other posts. And that's okay.