[Seadog]

(06-04-2015 06:29 PM)Jetlagged Wrote:  

Then it must be nice to be tall young and handsome. This being approached is not typical behavior.

Look dude, it's true. Most guys aren't getting past 20-30 notches, and the vast majority are getting less than that. I'm sure there's a rough estimate study done somewhere.

If people were getting super high notch counts game wouldn't work, because everyone would be using it. Game really is just acting like a man with very high testosterone, which only a small percentage of the population naturally has. While the game community seems large, it's just a small percentage of a much large population.

I think we can all agree average women when compared to a similarity man in both age and looks will have a higher notch count. There's a reason for this.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19374216/ns/he...re-having/

Self reported study, men 7 I think women 4. We all know how much we can trust self reporting women, although there's definitely a lot of <4s in USA who ain't fuckin.

While also from a small study group of my awkward, introverted high school friends, I'd definitely say in the mid single digits is even generous for those of the poor side of average socially. Except for one friend who got into selling drugs, easy high double digits. I'd love to see a sex-partner distribution histogram.

The other thing about these samples I find funny, is that mathematically in any closed straight population, the average should be the same. 50 guys and 50 girls, 50 couples fuck once each, regardless of the distribution, the average would be 1. That's the same if 50 guys ran a train on one girl, or if each of the 50 couples did it once, or any where in between. (Though in that first situation I think fem-logic would say it's only 1 which no doubt accounts for the discrepancy)

[Mister X]

Some dudes on here care way too much about quantity and not nearly enough about quality. How many dudes are scoring both the quantity and quality they feel they deserve? My guess is very few. Some guys are banging chicks they're embarrassed to be seen in public with. Is that game? I don't think so.

I think the average guy, with an understanding of game, has a chance at quality, or quantity, but usually not both. I think I'd rather have 10 lifetime notches with girls I found stunning and had personalities that ranged from at least tolerable to stellar, than a 50+ notch count with only a few girls in there that were the total package in my eyes, and loaded with a bunch of low quality chicks.

[MrXY]

That's the way it happens in reality, though.

Guys who have high notch counts tend to bang across the spectrum, from mediocre to hot. The same guys who bang lots of average and on occasion below average girls, also bang stunners. They have a high sex drive and are constantly running game and will just take what turns up, within reason. Have you seen some of the girls celebrities have banged? Not that hot at all. But those same guys bang models too.

I assume you've never been around naturals much. A lot of those guys will bang outright pigs at times, especially when they are drunk. But they get smoking hot girlfriends too.

It's not either/or; it's both.

[jariel]

(06-04-2015 10:01 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

Some dudes on here care way too much about quantity and not nearly enough about quality. How many dudes are scoring both the quantity and quality they feel they deserve? My guess is very few. Some guys are banging chicks they're embarrassed to be seen in public with. Is that game? I don't think so.

Great post.

Quantity over quality makes sense when you're young and inexperienced -- the college years -- shit, fuck as many chicks as you possibly can if that's what you want to do. But once you get out of that stage, you should be able to pull better, just because you've already established to yourself that you can pull -- confidence comes with results from putting in work.

That dynamic of fucking below a bunch of average/below-average chicks is especially true of some guys who are gaming abroad, I have no doubt that they're getting pussy, but Roosh's post about the level of pussy that guys get is relative to their ability to communicate with the women in their language is gospel as far as I'm concerned.

We have guys touching down in countries and fucking 40-50 bitches in a month, that's cool, but I wouldn't expect to touch down in Russia with no knowledge of Russian and smash 40-50 dimes in the span of a few weeks, and anyone who says that's what they're doing and it's all game is lying, how are you running game, and you can't even say anything the chick would understand?

[jariel]

(06-04-2015 06:29 PM)Jetlagged Wrote:  

Most guys aren't getting past 20-30 notches, and the vast majority are getting less than that. I'm sure there's a rough estimate study done somewhere.

If people were getting super high notch counts game wouldn't work, because everyone would be using it.

[jariel]

(06-04-2015 06:29 PM)Jetlagged Wrote:  

although there's definitely a lot of <4s in USA who ain't fuckin.

Unattractive American women are caught in a rather ugly reality. They can get still get dick, but it's from low-quality, mostly unattractive men. They derive their fake swag from the fact that they know they can get dick, but they're often stuck in dick droughts because the guys they want to fuck don't want to fuck them -- the exception here is ghetto people who mostly fuck for sport, nothing else is poppin', so might as well get their dick/pussy wet, plus they can always fuck the ugly/fat/broke bitch/nucca in secret without anybody else knowing, and who cares about being judged, because none of their peers have done anything for them to care about their opinion anyway.

White men have basically bequeathed fat white women to Black men because Black men are the only men who want to fuck them. Black men are used to fucking fat women due to their experiences of fucking fat Black women, but they see fat white women as an upgrade because they're white, they're not broke, and they don't have the same chip on their shoulder that Black women have, so you have some fat white women who have landed some fairly attractive, in-shape Black men, but the reality of the game is that those guys are broke ass nuccas who use those chicks for money.

Black men who have some combination of education, money, looks, style -- your RVF Black men -- can compete for higher quality women of whatever race they like, provided that they educate themselves on the women's culture and language whenever necessary.

Probably not the most PC post, but you know what it is, if I'm lying on that, I'll leave.

[speakeasy]

With regards to that dude in the youtube video that the OP linked. I was about to sit through 20 minutes of that but from what I saw, he's not naturally good-looking with is a strike, his style is wack which is another strike, and he has zero charisma which is another strike.

(06-04-2015 05:34 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

I don't doubt you, but there are also guys, including some guys here, with 1,000+ notch counts, which would require there to be a ridiculously high number of guys like you to make the average six, eight, or twenty. I don't buy it.

The math makes sense. It works the same way as the bell curve.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx

A lot of people are piled up around the middle range, but as you get toward the extremes, the rarity becomes staggering. For example, 1 in 6 people have an IQ of 115. Yet for the next standard deviation up at 130, that number becomes 1 in 44. And for the next up at 150 it's 1 out of 2,330. And for IQ 170 it's 1 in 652,598.

I think notches work pretty much the same way. The guy with a thousand notches is like the guy with a 160 IQ.

And even then, most guys with body counts in thousands are going to be celebs with high sex drives. Guys like Wilt Chamberlain and Mick Jagger. If you aren't famous then it's probably some combination of looks, lifestyle, game, wealth, aggression and logistics. Some guys without the prior(especially if white) may find a hack around this by going overseas and smashing girls in Latin America and Southeast Asia enamored of white cock.

[Fortis]

(06-04-2015 11:23 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 06:29 PM)Jetlagged Wrote:  

although there's definitely a lot of <4s in USA who ain't fuckin.

Unattractive American women are caught in a rather ugly reality. They can get still get dick, but it's from low-quality, mostly unattractive men. They derive their fake swag from the fact that they know they can get dick, but they're often stuck in dick droughts because the guys they want to fuck don't want to fuck them -- the exception here is ghetto people who mostly fuck for sport, nothing else is poppin', so might as well get their dick/pussy wet, plus they can always fuck the ugly/fat/broke bitch/nucca in secret without anybody else knowing, and who cares about being judged, because none of their peers have done anything for them to care about their opinion anyway.

White men have basically bequeathed fat white women to Black men because Black men are the only men who want to fuck them. Black men are used to fucking fat women due to their experiences of fucking fat Black women, but they see fat white women as an upgrade because they're white, they're not broke, and they don't have the same chip on their shoulder that Black women have, so you have some fat white women who have landed some fairly attractive, in-shape Black men, but the reality of the game is that those guys are broke ass nuccas who use those chicks for money.

Black men who have some combination of education, money, looks, style -- your RVF Black men -- can compete for higher quality women of whatever race they like, provided that they educate themselves on the women's culture and language whenever necessary.

Probably not the most PC post, but you know what it is, if I'm lying on that, I'll leave.

Well said. I have noticed that many a fat white girl has thought they could land me, when the truth was far from that--and I'm not even one of those dudes who has it all: Education, money, looks style. I find it insulting. I think I lamented this in another post.

I still find myself laughing my ass off whenever I see a man of means or looks with an ugly chick. One of my boys recently got himself in shape. He always had money and talent, but his looks were off. He let a girl who would have been in his league when he was fat lock him down. He split from her and asked me what I thought she was on the 1-10 scale. I was real with him and said she was a 4.

I told him that he's still stuck in fat black man land and doesn't realize that he doesn't have to fuck ugly 4s anymore. He can at least tap 6s on the regular. I digress though.The real point is this: black men hanging in America sometimes develop weird white girl worship complexes (similar to the one that many IRTs exhibit). I had it for a bit, but then I started to look at chicks differently. I started to focus on their flaws. The things that keep them from being perfect. That showed me REAL fast that white girls are just really light-skinned black chicks. Many of the behaviours we hate in black chicks are had in all other races.

It was a real eye-opening moment for me when my perfect white girl started acting like a dumb cunt.

[BrazilianCocaine]

Lot of gems on this thread!

He mentioned he approaches A LOT in his videos. What do you guys think of that? For him I would recommend taking a break and studying up on game, and bettering his economic situation first. He is young (I think like 18/19?) and probably has no life goals or path yet. This won't help in his approaches. Part of the reason I became so successful in my interactions with Women in my mid 20's was my life experience. I nabbed Women well above my SMV by talking about my travels and interactions with different people and my career goals. Having interesting friends is the easiest form of social proof and all it takes is opening Facebook or LinkedIN and being an eloquent story teller.

No matter how short or skinny this guy is with enough social cred he can get the lay even from super models. We all know this but at the end of the day he has to ask himself is that what he wants and will that satisfy him?

Either way at the end of the day for guys this age I always advise them to focus on their path and building their empire first.

@Jariel I actually have been opened a lot at the bar but of course the quality of Women are usually piss poor and often looking to waste my time.

Any guy who puts moderate effort into his appearance and life can get opened by a Woman. Chad Thundercock has to turn down pussy practically everyday. Of course the quality of what approaches you will be less than what a Woman with the same SMV has approaching her.

[456]

@jariel:

(06-04-2015 08:31 PM)jariel Wrote:  

I went out with a co-worker several weeks ago, and he looked over and asked me, "Why don't they approach us?"

Would love to hear the rest of that conversation! Do you stay low key around the co-workers? Did you drop a tiny-nugget-of-wisdom brief answer? Did you go IN explaining? Did you ignore it, then approach a girl 10 minutes later?

I've been in a similar situation and instead of answering, waited a few minutes and hollered. Sometimes it went well, sometimes it didn't because my motivation was more "teachable moment" than natural drive to approach.

Curious how you handle the potential teachable moments around you when you're in real life.

[CleanSlate]

(06-04-2015 06:15 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

@Merenguero

"a guy who isn't as reserved (the vast majority of the population) "

No, the vast majority of the male population is very reserved. At least in America. I'm not saying basement nerds, but a lot of those guys you see at the sports bar are not actively talking to women. They're loud and personable, and aside from a crass catcall, there's no attempts being made.

One of the things I learned early on about the club game was that even in a sausage fest, a lot of the "cool" guys would endlessly circulate or post up by the bar. Meanwhile gaggles of girls would stare at their shoes. It was the eighth grade dance again, but with money and alcohol. After the liquor kicked in then you'd see a bit of coupling, but in a place designed for interaction, most guys were chilling.

And this observation was in the context of most guys not even going out. Too expensive, too smoky, too lame.

WIA

I've seen both extremes in the large pool of males I've associated with, but not much in between.

I know plenty of guys with mid-single digit notch counts who are now married and have kids. Those guys usually had a high school sweetheart whom they lost their virginity to, went through a bad breakup as college loomed, had a little fun here and there at frat parties in their college years. After graduating and getting a job, their prospects really dry up from there so they rely on social circle to get additional notches. Usually they marry the first, maybe second notch they get after college. By this time their count is 5, 6, maybe 7.

I also know plenty of guys with 100+ notch counts back in college, too. They had turbo-charged sex drives and would screw anything that moves. Thirst on steroids. But with that, they accumulated experience with women. With that experience, they snowball from there - continue racking up notches and running up the score on everybody else.

Out of the latter group of guys I know, there's a subset of them who are much smarter than they let on. They know how to read body language and signals from women, and when they see a green light, they go after it immediately. Those are the guys who "hide" their intelligence and act dumb and confused, but there are gears turning inside their horny heads.

Here at RVF, we want to be within THAT subset of those guys.

What's interesting to me is that, apart from RVF, I hardly ever meet any guys who are IN between those groups with respect to notch counts. I know guys who are in the single digits, and who are already over 100, but not many who are in between - like myself.

[General Stalin]

Chiming in with the "average notch count" argument - maybe some people around here are a little detached from reality, but know that most men are not banging scores of gals and the middle-single digits over a lifetime is pretty accurate. Your average guy in America is not a "player" and, assuming he gets there at all, gets into relationships and the only bangs he typically receives are from a single girl once every few years who he ends up dating for a while. As was said earlier by Jariel, your average dude isn't putting himself out there at all.

I have a few close friends all in their late 20's - one is still a virgin who paid for his first blowjob a couple years ago in Vegas, one has only banged 1 girl as far as I know who he dated for 3 years and he has been single since they broke up (5 years ago), and the other has only banged 1 girl so far in his life and it was two summers ago. In contrast, I've only banged about 5 different girls so far this year and I feel like I'm in a real pussy drought, though I have one plate so I feel satiated at least.

Great content in this thread.

I've done my good deed for the day:

   

EDIT: I have edited my Youtube post and fixed my typos.

[Samseau]

(06-04-2015 05:26 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 01:31 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

The afc in America is neither dateless or sexless. His problem is that he doesn't get the variety, quality, and quantity of sex partners he imagines will make him happy.

But He's going to bang his lifetime total of six, and that sixth bang will be the mother of his children. She has a good chance of divorcing him in his forties or fifties, but that's his fate in life.

WIA

Am I the only one who doesn't buy this six, eight, or twenty notches in a lifetime stuff or whatever the hell it is? If that is accurate, it means that I could go to Costa Rica for a week or two and easily have the amount of sex partners in that short span of time that most guys have in their entire lives. It just doesn't add up. There are guys here who say they have had four notches in one day and I completely believe them. My highest may be three, or even two. Does this mean that those guys came really close to equaling the average guys' lifetime notch counts in just a couple of hours? I can't believe that and refuse to do so.

No offense man, but you're out of touch with reality. We met in 2012 at Roosh's DC meetup.

You're a tall, good-looking dude with cash. You have great suit game as well. If you think there are many other guys out there with that kind of experience, then you simply lack perspective. Your passive game alone is in the top 1%. Combine that passive game with strong active game as given freely on this forum, and of course you can crush ass at will.

[robreke]

(06-05-2015 11:38 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Chiming in with the "average notch count" argument - maybe some people around here are a little detached from reality, but know that most men are not banging scores of gals and the middle-single digits over a lifetime is pretty accurate. Your average guy in America is not a "player" and, assuming he gets there at all, gets into relationships and the only bangs he typically receives are from a single girl once every few years who he ends up dating for a while. As was said earlier by Jariel, your average dude isn't putting himself out there at all.

I have a few close friends all in their late 20's - one is still a virgin who paid for his first blowjob a couple years ago in Vegas, one has only banged 1 girl as far as I know who he dated for 3 years and he has been single since they broke up (5 years ago), and the other has only banged 1 girl so far in his life and it was two summers ago. In contrast, I've only banged about 5 different girls so far this year and I feel like I'm in a real pussy drought, though I have one plate so I feel satiated at least.

Great content in this thread.

I've done my good deed for the day:



EDIT: I have edited my Youtube post and fixed my typos.

^ Stalin, are your friends unattractive or just have no game? Both?

[CH-Toronto]

I wanted to make a post about my brother and a friend of mine. Both are fairly fucked in different situations.

1. I think my brother is screwed. Decent looking guy, works out a bit-does some amateur mma, mid/late 20s, currently has a job as a lawyer... and he just married the only girl he has had sex with. Granted - she's not terrible looking, but judging from their dynamic I can see she wears the pants in the family. She comes from an incredibly wealthy family but... she just seems off with her. They've only been together less than 4 years but own a house etc, so we'll see how it is a couple years from now.

2. My friend has some other issues living with someone he shouldn't and it reached a tipping point a few weeks back. They were having a drunken fight - and he called the cops on her for throwing stuff... and .... the cops ended up arresting him (holding cell for 10 hours) because she said he was hitting her. He's still trying to work things out, and I've given up talking to him about it.

[VincentVinturi]

(06-04-2015 10:01 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

Some dudes on here care way too much about quantity and not nearly enough about quality. How many dudes are scoring both the quantity and quality they feel they deserve? My guess is very few. Some guys are banging chicks they're embarrassed to be seen in public with. Is that game? I don't think so.

I think the average guy, with an understanding of game, has a chance at quality, or quantity, but usually not both. I think I'd rather have 10 lifetime notches with girls I found stunning and had personalities that ranged from at least tolerable to stellar, than a 50+ notch count with only a few girls in there that were the total package in my eyes, and loaded with a bunch of low quality chicks.

Quantity begets quality.

I'd rather bang a wolfer than let my mojo stagnate.

Yeah I wouldn't show her off to my friends but the effects on your psyche of banging even a mediocre chick are impressive.

It fuels your mojo, fans away any lingering smell of desperation, and basically keeps the engine running in fine fiddle.

I've banged some ugly ass bitches in my time, only to turn around and hook up with stunners in the same week.

Quantity and quality is obviously the ideal but I think the best path towards better quality is increased quantity.

[General Stalin]

Quote:

^ Stalin, are your friends unattractive or just have no game? Both?

The one who banged the 1 girl 2 summers ago is a decent looking average guy. Hits the gym regularly has an engineering job, home owner, nice car etc but no game doesn't talk to girls or leave his comfort zone besides online and gets oneitis easily. The other two are overweight and have zero style or game. This is a lot of guys IMHO. Even a lot of guys who have style are still timid and beta with women by and large.

[civpro]

AFC in 2005 - Shy guy
AFC in 2015 - Ugly guy

Reasons: social media & female obesity

[Confidence]

(06-05-2015 02:09 PM)civpro Wrote:  

AFC in 2005 - Shy guy
AFC in 2015 - Ugly guy

Reasons: social media & female obesity

I'll have to disagree with this for a number of reasons. In my experience, shy/introverted guys - ugly or not - aren't going anywhere with women. Even if they're good looking and get a right swipe while sitting in their basement playing the agoraphobic, they still have to somehow stand out from the literal hundreds of other men who are messaging the women who decided to give them a shot. Even if their text game is tight, they typically have to meet in some form of public environment where their lack of social skills or inability to maintain a conversation or whatever else is going to essentially self-cockblock. Only total sluts will be jumping on a boring, shy introvert's dick because he has a handsome face.

Conversely, just because ugly or non-photogenic guys do poorly on Tinder or other superficially-focused online meet methods, that doesn't completely ruin their chances of meeting women through a social circle or IRL in some other way. She might be some random gamer that also likes Magic cards, or maybe they attend the same classes, or frequent the same rec sports. I'm in good shape, have decent style (MTM jackets, tailored everything, etc.) but a shaved head which alone causes me to suffer a shit ton of left swipes. It doesn't really handicap me IRL because *so few men are actually talking to women*. Ask your dates if guys ever approach them in public; you may be surprised at the response.

Less physically attractive + extroverted will generally win out over good looking + socially awkward. There are many examples of this here on this forum, myself included.

[rudebwoy]

(06-05-2015 01:06 PM)CH-Toronto Wrote:  

I wanted to make a post about my brother and a friend of mine. Both are fairly fucked in different situations.

1. I think my brother is screwed. Decent looking guy, works out a bit-does some amateur mma, mid/late 20s, currently has a job as a lawyer... and he just married the only girl he has had sex with. Granted - she's not terrible looking, but judging from their dynamic I can see she wears the pants in the family. She comes from an incredibly wealthy family but... she just seems off with her. They've only been together less than 4 years but own a house etc, so we'll see how it is a couple years from now.

2. My friend has some other issues living with someone he shouldn't and it reached a tipping point a few weeks back. They were having a drunken fight - and he called the cops on her for throwing stuff... and .... the cops ended up arresting him (holding cell for 10 hours) because she said he was hitting her. He's still trying to work things out, and I've given up talking to him about it.

He called the cops on her. LOL
Toronto is a special case.
A guy at work was telling me how his cousin (girl) kicked out her boyfriend out of the car, they weren't close to home. WTF
Saw a decent looking blonde in the gym this week, her man was smaller than her. His arms were like twigs and they were doing all that kettlebell stuff. WTF
I think the situation is so bad here, women just want men they can control.

[Jetlagged]

Using this thread as motivation.

As an actual dude with very low notches, I can tell you the biggest things holding me back:

1. Fear of rejection. Biggest issue. It causes self loathing and is a self esteem destroyer. As guys who don't fit the tall dark muscular and handsome mold (if they did they wouldn't be in this situation) we already largely aware of our defecienies and rejection cements these defecienies as accepted truth. Somehow success in other areas of life doesn't translate to women. I completely changed my appearance on 3 years by hitting the gym hard, gained 30 lbs, encountered a lot of setbacks and overcame them. Did not help with my confidence. My best friend pokes fun at me saying I'm the only person who had a big transformation in the gym and didn't gain a drop of confidence.

Forget about approaching with this mentality. Brain will male hamster itself a bunch if excuses as to why not to do it. AFC is not doing approaches, or does them once in a blue and is unprepared and fails and will make excuses to not do it again for an extended period. Lots of lost opportunity here via missing out on cues for random encounters by not capitalizing on eye contact and other IOIs.

2. Lack of knowledge of sexual attraction:
Don't know how to act around girls. Lack of confidence due to self esteem as posted above leads to unnatural interactions with women because you're uncomfortable. This makes it awkward and unenjoyable. Once past initial awkwardness, I just talked to girls. I am a pretty good conversationalist and had great conversations due to my work and travel, but looking back now, I was only building comfort but not attraction which pushed me right into the friendzone. For an socially awkward or possibly not so high test (or confidence) male, it wasn't built into me how to sexually escalate with women. I used to dread make out, despite being a great kisser. I wasn't taking the lead, in fact, I was afraid. Afraid to screw it up, because it took so long to get this one and we know the next one is far off. This also leads to oneitis. The lack of attraction building tarts us down the path to non sexual friendship and a bad frame.

3. All the above leads to lack of abundance. Lack of abundance causes oneitis on undeserving women (I still believe in love and a good relationship with a good women is possible while still maintaining frame but now realize very few women deserve it). Lack of abundance causes men to do stupid things for pussy. Invest too much time and effort. Accept shit from women. Treat her too nicely, you invest in the relationship more than she does. Then you don't get the buns, and everything comes full circle back to point 1 reinforcing the low self esteem which then deepens the cycle. This is compounded by social media and TV showing tall attractive in shape dudes to men who are weak minded due to points 1 2 3 and further still reinforces these beliefs.


These are your AFC issues in 2015.

I'm still trying to get over the being short hump. It's a tough hill because it's so important and unchangeable. Most guys are just too lazy to fix themselves and are little bitches. I don't have time for the gym, I don't like shopping, who cares about style.

It takes a lot of dedication and perseverance to overcome these changes and most men who are in these situations are too weak minded and excuse ridden to change.

I was and kid of still am one of them.

/.02.

I truly believe it just a lack of testosterone. Game is mimicking actions of high test men mixed with reading and recognizing small patterns in women. Das it.

[Distant Light]

Honestly as much as people feel "sad" for these type of men, I feel more "sadness" towards women...

Honestly, I'm more "alert" with men due to the fact that they're ticking time bombs as opposed to women who are way more adaptable in terms of "dealing with shit". (Please point me to a story about a woman going on a senseless rampage, chicks will fucking "dig in" and endure.)

Honestly, it's annoying when I hear men COMPLAINING about women with their assumptions, expectations, etc.

Like seriously, why do men feel such entitlement that they DESERVE someone. Dude take a step back you just might be a drag for all sorts of reasons. Like I really think people fail to ask themselves...

"If I was a chick and I had the option to be with the guy version of me"
- Would I want to get fucked by me? (Same guy who just wants to stick his dick in SOMETHING)
- Would I be able to deal with being around myself?
- How would my social life change being with myself? (Sitting in house on weekend watching netflix?)
- What type of experience will I have interacting and being with myself?

As a guy who was piss poor with women (I was just a very negative and depressed kid, never had hate towards women or anything like that) I had to GROW UP beyond my current state at that time. Anytime I hear people like guy in video going off on chicks and trying to speak as if "things are this way". I always wonder...

1. Did you explore/investigate "being" multiple ways in intervals of 3-6 months, for example
- State A - Give no fucks (3-Months)
- State B - Express Intention (3-Months)
- State C - Skeptical/Probing (3-Months)
- State D - Friends First (3-Months)

2. Do you have any female friends? Do you have any form of social life?

I find MAJORITY of men in the world are schemers who just "want to get their dick wet". My advice, go get a fucking hooker and get on with your life.

Like seriously, perfect "biz opportunity" would be an agency who contacts these guys families and have them PAY "Premium" for someone to "date" the guy for a period of time just so the man can chill the fuck out. "Is the price of paying worth more than seeing a family member suffer and potentially do harm onto themselves or others?"

I say this because I always come across guys who say...
- "I don't care about talking to people I just wanna fuck"
- Dude I fucking hate nightlife and it's nothing but couples and teenagers in the daytime
- I like my anime, brony, and hitting up chipotle...That's my life!!!
- Dude I'm a well put together guy good school, job, nice cloth, house, etc
- How many new people did you meet in the past week? past month? past 3 months?

When it comes down to it WOMEN without even knowing it has complete control over these "lame" types and they don't even know it. Anytime I think about guys, I think of this guy...

"Come on down ladies, this man will drastically change your life both socially and sexually"
- No longer will you have to worry about hanging around douchebags like Dan Blizarian who isn't giving you the attention you deserve because all these "basic bitches" are surrounding him

- No longer will you have to spend 2 hours on makeup to wear that tight dress which always causes men to gawk at you in the club that shady promoter brings you to

- Bring back the victorian era, this man will treat you like an antique vase in the bedroom, say bye bye to all that spanking and biting that used to cause you to squirt... #AwkwardMissionaryIsTheNewAnal

- INSTANTLY cut your nightlife outings to 2x a year...Your birthday and NYE when family members

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NOTE: Yea yea it's easy for us to say "give him a pass he's religious" but this is just one of many, just search on youtube "cringe compilation".

^^Listen to the delusional BS going on

Pickup is 80% Self-Discovery, 20% application
Sex consistently is a byproduct "experience" for being a certain kind of guy.

Which means if you made the right internal shifts (through experience and comprehension of your lessons) then simply TAKING ACTION after the fact will facilitate more favorable experiences.

Thing is MAJORITY of the world doesn't even want crazy amount of partners or anything, just a decent girl. Heck, I'm sure most men would be happy if they hooked up with 1 new girl every 1-3 months.

Back To OP Video...
One of the 1st reasons as to why I understood "women in general" loved me was the fact that I understood my presence and the environment I was bringing her into was amazing for a woman.
- Emotionally Stable (You'll never catch me mad at a chick, if boundaries are crossed I'll just walk off or cut them off)
- No Pedestal, I'm like that mentor who shows tough love
- No negativity, no neediness, no pressure, no formalities, etc
- Freedom, she can do whatever she pleases (as long a
- Fun Fun Fun
- "On My Own Path", I have my own social life
- Depth, I have a good grasp on what I'm about in terms of how I am, how I act and why I act that way

I mention this because I always point out to women I'm with how I can't understand "how did it get to that point where you're arguing!?!?"

Skip to 8:20 on OP, dude starts ranting on chicks as if it was the woman fault...
- He states a woman are obligated to tell him "she's not interested".
- Don't waste his time, he would've never talked to her if she was never gonna give him the time of the day
- Chicks leading guys on (No more like you're just 1 of 10,000 or 100,000 depending on her IG followers who "thirst" and were DTF before even saying a word to her)

Dude even says "he'd have his hopes up when he gets a number" #DaFuck

Honestly, I want to look at the replies on this thread but this is a "touchy" area where I genuinely get irritated by men because it's 2-sides of a coin yet MOST will never see the woman side of it. (I have so much to say about this stuff, both men and women are acting like there is a war of genders going on)

P.S...All I will say, this is the type of shit that makes me glad that I decided to actually GROW UP and "change my life". I can no longer fathom having woman issues ever again and ontop of that I love who I've become so much.

P.S.S...I'm still listening as I type, ending 19:00 is pathetic facetiming with some chick you don't even know...I don't even text my girlfriend and this guy is complaining about some random chick not wanting to facetime ahahahahaha #Wowzers

[Jetlagged]

I went through a women hating chump phase too, it's just a manifestation of the frustration of lack of success.

[Ziltoid]

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Honestly as much as people feel "sad" for these type of men, I feel more "sadness" towards women...

Yes... Women really have it rough. Being pursued by an endless procession of adoring members of the opposite sex.
How do they manage.

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Honestly, it's annoying when I hear men COMPLAINING about women with their assumptions, expectations, etc.

Like seriously, why do men feel such entitlement that they DESERVE someone. Dude take a step back you just might be a drag for all sorts of reasons. Like I really think people fail to ask themselves...

Whether men "deserve" or don't deserve to have a woman is irrelevant to the social havoc that is wreaked when they don't have access to them. How long are you banking that gadgets and bullshit are going to keep the masses of guys like this distracted?

I don't think anybody in this thread is saying this guy innately deserves a woman, or that he isn't a sad chump. But the point is that he is by all accounts a remarkably average guy; he feels entitled to a relationship because he is following to a T the protocols all of society has drilled into his head as the means obtain one. Be nice, be yourself, blah blah.

So his worst fault is naivety, and his audacity to expect to have his biological need for interaction with the opposite sex fulfilled. What an asshole, am I right?

How many guys like this do you think will find find the manosphere on their own?
And how many of those guys will realistically shrug off an entire upbringing of feminist brainwashing and turn things around?

[Moma]

(06-04-2015 10:01 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

I think I'd rather have 10 lifetime notches with girls I found stunning and had personalities that ranged from at least tolerable to stellar, than a 50+ notch count with only a few girls in there that were the total package in my eyes, and loaded with a bunch of low quality chicks.

10 lifetime notches? You might as well enter 10 relationships! No, a lot about the game is to get some notches in. As long as the lizard passes the boner test, you should go for the bang. It's investment of time in other things such as listening to her BS etc that should be limited if she is not up to par but cumming in a lizard beats wanking off to the same type of reptile on internet porn!