Laurie Penny getting destroyed for defending vandalism against women's statue
05-10-2015, 11:22 AM
Also this:
Quote: (05-10-2015 09:25 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Currently there is mounting evidence that election is heavily manipulated since the pre-election support simply does not match the effective results. Polls are easily manipulated as well.
Even if you have a candidate running nowadays who might change something, then you are certainly not getting him. I remember the Ron Paul action a couple of years ago where grassroots support of him was gigantic, but he was still not getting near the effective votes that he should have been receiving.
I am not even discussing his policies, which are faulty to the highest degree - just the fact that nowadays massive manipulation of voting results can be attained since fewer people are involved in compilation and computation of said votes. The more centralized it becomes the easier it gets until finally:
And the funny part is that it would not matter much which pre-selected candidate won - some just fit better to run through different goals on the agenda.
Quote: (05-10-2015 11:18 AM)Ziltoid Wrote:
I realize this woman is prettymuch clinically insane, but is this a common party line in the UK? I've never in my life heard the term 'welfare state' used in a non-derisive way... Let alone as something good that should be defended. The US is becoming a welfare state, and it's still a dirty term, here, even to the progressives pushing it.
Quote: (05-10-2015 11:31 AM)Cyr Wrote:
Theres no conspiracy with the chart you posted. Britain has a first past the post system which means that it's possible for a party to win 49% of the vote and 0 seats. Parties like the lib dems and ukip get many fewer seats per vote because a few people vote for them in a lot of districts (not enough to get a majority in many districts, but a sizable number nonetheless).
Quote: (05-10-2015 01:33 PM)Lizard King Wrote:
She has posted this https://instagram.com/p/2gpdSKFb3L/ on twitter. It's still not the proper George Cross.
Also: https://twitter.com/hashtag/LauriePennys...r?src=hash
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Quote: (05-10-2015 09:25 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Even if you have a candidate running nowadays who might change something, then you are certainly not getting him. I remember the Ron Paul action a couple of years ago where grassroots support of him was gigantic, but he was still not getting near the effective votes that he should have been receiving.
Quote: (05-11-2015 02:07 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:
Quote: (05-10-2015 09:25 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Even if you have a candidate running nowadays who might change something, then you are certainly not getting him. I remember the Ron Paul action a couple of years ago where grassroots support of him was gigantic, but he was still not getting near the effective votes that he should have been receiving.
I have no idea (nor do I care) how British politics work, but since you brought up Ron Paul that is simply an example of the social media majority being but a small percentage of the "silent" majority.
Ron Paul had little real support. He's too far off base and drives a Chevette. Just what the nimrods that live only online will get behind. Anyone with any sense knew he was not right and had zero chance.
Quote: (05-10-2015 12:01 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Quote: (05-10-2015 11:31 AM)Cyr Wrote:
Theres no conspiracy with the chart you posted. Britain has a first past the post system which means that it's possible for a party to win 49% of the vote and 0 seats. Parties like the lib dems and ukip get many fewer seats per vote because a few people vote for them in a lot of districts (not enough to get a majority in many districts, but a sizable number nonetheless).
Interesting system where you can get 49% of the votes and zero seats. I am sure it is a coincidence it developed that way. That's why I stated that the UK never really got democracy - it has been a farce since the very beginning. Countries like Switzerland with it's direct democracy have much greater ability to uphold grassroots interests. In some areas women got the right to vote in the 1990s, which obviously was more positive than it appeared on surface.
Quote: (05-10-2015 12:01 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Quote: (05-10-2015 11:31 AM)Cyr Wrote:
Theres no conspiracy with the chart you posted. Britain has a first past the post system which means that it's possible for a party to win 49% of the vote and 0 seats. Parties like the lib dems and ukip get many fewer seats per vote because a few people vote for them in a lot of districts (not enough to get a majority in many districts, but a sizable number nonetheless).
Interesting system where you can get 49% of the votes and zero seats. I am sure it is a coincidence it developed that way. That's why I stated that the UK never really got democracy - it has been a farce since the very beginning. Countries like Switzerland with it's direct democracy have much greater ability to uphold grassroots interests. In some areas women got the right to vote in the 1990s, which obviously was more positive than it appeared on surface.
Quote: (05-12-2015 08:18 AM)Cyr Wrote:
Quote: (05-10-2015 12:01 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Quote: (05-10-2015 11:31 AM)Cyr Wrote:
Theres no conspiracy with the chart you posted. Britain has a first past the post system which means that it's possible for a party to win 49% of the vote and 0 seats. Parties like the lib dems and ukip get many fewer seats per vote because a few people vote for them in a lot of districts (not enough to get a majority in many districts, but a sizable number nonetheless).
Interesting system where you can get 49% of the votes and zero seats. I am sure it is a coincidence it developed that way. That's why I stated that the UK never really got democracy - it has been a farce since the very beginning. Countries like Switzerland with it's direct democracy have much greater ability to uphold grassroots interests. In some areas women got the right to vote in the 1990s, which obviously was more positive than it appeared on surface.
Personally I believe that direct democracy (like in Switzerland) is a better system than in the uk. That said, first past the post does produce majorities that allow the ruling party to be decisive and pass laws- otherwise there would never be majorities in parliament.
Quote: (05-10-2015 12:45 PM)JohnKreese Wrote:
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