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05-03-2015, 09:48 PM
One of these could power the house for about 3 hours, I've read. It would take years to recoup the money you put into buying and installing the product, plus the solar panels. It's really inefficient and makes sense why they need so much tax money to work.
I'm still waiting for a company to start thinking seriously about nuclear power
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05-03-2015, 10:19 PM
Wonder whatever happened to rectenna solar cells - their efficiency was supposed to be nearly 90%.
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05-03-2015, 10:24 PM
Quote: (05-03-2015 10:19 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:
Wonder whatever happened to rectenna solar cells - their efficiency was supposed to be nearly 90%.
All they have to beat is about 50% efficiency.
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05-04-2015, 01:07 AM
Quote: (05-03-2015 09:48 PM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:
One of these could power the house for about 3 hours, I've read. It would take years to recoup the money you put into buying and installing the product, plus the solar panels. It's really inefficient and makes sense why they need so much tax money to work.
I'm still waiting for a company to start thinking seriously about nuclear power
People had the same complaints about the earliest electric vehicles.
The earliest mobile phones...laptops...etc etc etc.
It's a good start.
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05-04-2015, 01:40 AM
I came to this thread to read about technological advances. Instead everyone pisses vinegar over tax dollars.
And blame Jews.
In Holland we didn't have much Jews left after WWII, yet there was a massive leftwing movement against nuclear power in the 70's and 80's. Nowadays it almost unheard of to speak about (new) nuclear power.
Holland still has one of two nuclear plants open.
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05-04-2015, 06:50 AM
A thorium reactor might resolve waste issue and limited supply of uranium and plutonium. I doubt it will come stateside anytime soon, it would probably have to be shown safe in another country first.
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05-04-2015, 06:54 AM
If nuclear waste is still radioactive it means it is still good enough to be re-processed into usable fuel. An expensive proposition, but a "recyclable" one at that.
For all of the pointless green trash we spend on, using tax dollars to subsidize workers reprocessing cold war era nuclear waste (which FYI came from nukes) would take care of the waste problem.
Thorium liquid salt reactors are the real solution to our energy problems. Again all of this is completely leveled by politics. Nothing will get done until the billionaire nitwits of this country get a haircut because of their brazen stupidity. America will be a none issue by the time that comes.
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05-04-2015, 07:41 AM
Bill Gate's investment in nuclear renewable energy
Just gonna leave this here for you guys that don't think nuclear is also a solution to the clean energy issue.
There is no need for fossil fuels when it comes to energy generation. Solar is just part of the solution. Tidal, wind, solar, and nuclear are all great, then burn the garbage that we use, kill landfills as a whole with bio mass.
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05-04-2015, 07:38 PM
Quote: (05-04-2015 06:50 AM)kbell Wrote:
A thorium reactor might resolve waste issue and limited supply of uranium and plutonium. I doubt it will come stateside anytime soon, it would probably have to be shown safe in another country first.
I don't support the use of thorium. What happens with a meltdown? Ragnarok I assume...maybe just an invasion of frost giants in a worst case scenario? No thanks.
Next you're going to tell me they've got Krypton reactors. Super idea...splitting the element thats named after a planet that was itself destroyed by meddling scientists.
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05-04-2015, 10:58 PM
Nerds like Elon Musk want to go to Mars for the same reason nerds flock to MMOs like World of Warcraft. They know they are losers on this world, so they seek an alternate world where they will come out on top of the status hierarchy, where they, and not athletes and actors, are the A-list. But SpaceX is pretty benign - if you can accomplish productive missions at a fraction of the price, hats off to you.
Tesla, on the other hand, is bullshit. Privately owned cars and cities do not mix well, and everywhere it's been tried, it's been found wanting and left death, injury, dirty air, obesity, wasted land (parking lots...) and poverty in its wake. Hucksters like Tesla want us to double down on this model for another lifetime, with the automotive equivalent of low tar cigarettes. Traffic jams are traffic jams whether they're comprised of Teslas or gas powered Toyotas. Moving a two ton vehicle occupying several hundred square feet (car + safe distance) to move 1.1 people on average, and then letting it sit idle for 95% of the day in a spot big enough to house someone is just horrendously inefficient, and hostile to creating real cities. If Tesla used its cachet to make electric bikes popular, it would be different, but it isn't. The real story is about how gadget fetishists like Musk have hoodwinked environmentalists into thinking that wasting yet more energy can somehow be made green.
Personally, I'm not an environmentalist, so much as someone who objects to obesity, dirty air, ugly infrastructure and forcing people to spend thousands of dollars a year on a car because the city is too sprawled to get around by foot, bike, train or bus. Aside from maybe the dirty air (if the electricity powering cars is from coal, air quality will remain poor), electric cars are a non-solution for very real problems.
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05-05-2015, 10:16 AM
Quote: (05-03-2015 06:07 PM)IvanDrago Wrote:
Quote: (05-03-2015 06:00 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:
To be fair, I would rather have my tax money spent subsidizing technology that could revolutionize the world as opposed to having it spent an johnny mccrack that doesnt want to work a pizza job.
"I don't mind" is not a valid point as others may mind. If a product was truly necessary or revolutionary, people would pay for it voluntarily.
That works in an ideal sense, but without some government intervention in technology and infrastructure we'd all still be burning whale oil and travelling in giant balloons. Nuclear power, guns that aren't flintlocks, airplanes, trains, public transport, maybe even cars and roads wouldn't exist.
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05-05-2015, 10:45 AM
Despite the rebates for the powerwall and the compelling advantage of having backup power
It's better to wait until the third generation comes out(along with enhanced performance and lower prices)
No sense in buying a 1980's first generation VCR when you can wait for the DVD player
that will most certainly come....
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05-05-2015, 10:57 AM
I would hope it's using newer battery technology for that price, $3500 can buy a shit ton of Trojan deep cycles. Enough to run your house for a month probably.
Trojan 30XHS, 12 volt, 130 AH = $165 each
21 batteries X 130 amp hours = is 2730 AH total. That's a lot of power.
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