[WalterBlack]

What would you have done in this guys shoes? Would you have knocked the guy out or handed him over to the cops? I hope the cops go easy on the dad. The average man would beat the shit out of any man he felt was harming his kids.

Revealed: British 'killer of German tourist who filmed his daughter on an iPad was fitness fanatic who had matching Range Rovers with blonde bombshell girlfriend'

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•Devinder Kainth, 40, saw recordings of his daughter on the victim's device
•Sandro Rottman was being investigated for possessing child pornography
•Rottman, 43, was said to have died from a single punch to the head
•Kainth, said to be a boxer, has appeared in court charged homicide

By Claire Ellicott In London and Arthur Martin In Sotogrande, Spain, For The Daily Mail and Simon Tomlinson for MailOnline

Published: 09:24 EST, 9 February 2015 | Updated: 12:51 EST, 10 February 2015

A British father accused of killing a suspected paedophile after catching him filming his daughter on an iPad was a fitness fanatic who trained daily in the gym, it was claimed today.

The ex-pat, named as Devinder Kainth, 40, has been charged with homicide after allegedly attacking Sandro Rottman in the millionaire's playground of Sotogrande in Spain.

Kainth, also known as a Victor, had been enjoying a meal with his partner, Gemma Hawkins, and their three children in a restaurant when the alleged confrontation occurred.

The couple were said to be well known in the resort for their 'matching his-and-hers black and white Range Rovers' and their expensive spending habits.

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Ms Hawkins was described as a 'blonde bombshell' who regularly 'turned heads' when she went out in public.

Kainth was said to work out every day in the gym, with one friend describing him as 'hard as nails'.

He reportedly took part in a Crossfit classes regularly at the gym which is known for being a particularly strenuous 'military-style workout'.

A witness described estate agent Kainth as 'short and stocky' and 'a very well prepared fighter, possibly a kick boxer.'

Ms Hawkins is also believed to be a fitness fanatic like her partner.

Various people in the resort have described her as a 'blonde bombshell' with a 'cracking body'.

A waitress in a restaurant in the resort said: 'When she walked into the restaurant all heads turned'.

Another source added that she's 'better seen and not heard' and a 'real Cockney London girl'.

The family moved to Sotogrande full-time a year ago, although apparently they have been going to the resort for years.

They previously had a house in Casares, another resort nearby, according to a friend.

Kainth was enjoying a family meal when he noticed the German man filming the girl, according to witnesses.

He repeatedly asked Rottman, 43, to stop, but he continued so Kainth grabbed the iPad.

When Kainth discovered pictures of his daughter on the tablet, he threw it on the floor and allegedly punched Rottman in the head before leaving the restaurant.

Rottman, a graphic designer who had been arrested a few days previously for possessing child pornography, was taken to hospital but died from his injuries.

Police confirmed that the blow had caused Rottman's death but one witness said Mr Kainth, known locally as Victor, also kicked the German.

When officers arrived at the scene in the early hours of Sunday morning, they found Rottman with 'very serious' injuries.

The Kainth family were out for a meal at the Spinnaker restaurant where the head chef is Austrian Philip Hannig, who spent a year training under Gordon Ramsay.

According to witnesses, Mr Kainth and his partner, Gemma Hawkins, were eating with their three children - two boys and a girl - when they started chatting to Rottman.

A police spokesman said: 'The incident happened because of a video the victim had been recording of the British man's daughter.

'He snatched the tablet he was using and when he discovered there were images of his daughter on it, threw it to the ground and assaulted him.'Mr Kainth was identified by witnesses and police arrested him at his nearby home.

He appeared before a magistrate yesterday and was remanded in custody accused of homicide.

The Spinnaker owner, who asked not to be named, said: 'It all happened very quickly.

'The German man appeared to be taking pictures of everyone, not just the British man's daughter. It all seemed very innocent to me.

'The British man was with his family. He seemed to get very upset all of a sudden and punched the other man before anyone could stop him.
'He'd already paid for his dinner and left immediately. The German man is very normal. I knew nothing about him being arrested last month.'

But the manager of another restaurant in Sotogrande said: 'The German Sandro had a bad reputation locally and was banned from various bars.

'He owed money in various places and walked with a limp and was quite an odd fellow.'

He added: 'As I understand it, he was in there with his iPad and taking pictures of people in the bar.

'[Mr Kainth] was looking through the photos on the tablet and saw photos of his children.

'Then he went further back and saw pornographic pictures of other children and just went crazy. He punched him to the ground and started kicking him.'

Police confirmed that the victim 'had been arrested a few days earlier for possession of child pornography'.

Mr Rottman had lived in Sotogrande for a decade and friends say he had a design company in Gibraltar.

He was a well-liked man in the resort, and had a lot of friends. All describe him as being 'educated and smart' and 'always well dressed'.

Rottman was treated at a Gibraltar hospital a year ago for a liver problem, but friends say he was 'getting fitter and cycling every day' and 'getting stronger'.

Sotogrande is one of Spain's most upmarket resorts and is known for its large houses which overlook the Mediterranean and golf courses such as the world-famous Valderrama Club.

The exclusive Andalucian estate is a favourite of Tony Blair, Sarah Ferguson and her daughters Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie.

A Foreign Office spokesman said: 'We stand ready to provide consular assistance if requested.

[Ronald Reagan]

In the heat of the moment probably go apeshit, this guy is a boxer he knows his punches are potentially lethal should of hit his body. If you had time to think about it though then restrain him till police come. Child crimes are punished brutally in prison...so I've heard.

[CostinR]

That's was just stupid of him really, let the police handle this stuff. I hate who always feel the need to beat the shit out of other guys for something they did.

So yeah he took pictures, big sodding deal.

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

Kind of a misleading headline. Saying that he beat him to death makes it sound like the father gave the guy an extended ass kicking that went well beyond a spontaneous reaction.
It sounds like what happened was he punched him once in the head, guy falls over, and probably hit his head on something hard and got a skull fracture. No way death happened from a simple single punch.
This is not actually that uncommon.
I would say get him on involuntary manslaughter, suspend the sentence, and make him make some sort of reasonable payment to the pedophile's family.

[TheWastelander]

If he did find pictures of naked kids on that guy's phone, as well as pics of his daughter, they should let him go without charge. He did society a favor.

[mikado]

So people are the one who make justice, by themselves?

[samsamsam]

(02-10-2015 02:35 PM)Ronald Reagan Wrote:  

In the heat of the moment probably go apeshit, this guy is a boxer he knows his punches are potentially lethal should of hit his body. If you had time to think about it though then restrain him till police come. Child crimes are punished brutally in prison...so I've heard.

That was what I thinking. Go for the body. Also less chance of hurting your hand.

(02-10-2015 02:46 PM)mikado Wrote:  

So people are the one who make justice, by themselves?

No offense, but are we really defending the pedophile? It was the heat of the moment. He is violating the man's privacy, refused to honor his wishes. Yes, it would have been more ideal if he took his family and left or just smashed the Ipad and left.

But it was the heat of the moment, surely we all have some protective instincts when it comes to our families.


On a separate note, the guy looks like a thug. So I can imagine how to quick to anger the guy is. I am not saying what the guy did is right, but it is understandable. Sometimes we seem more concerned about the rights of the initiator (the guy who films, the guy who steals, etc) than the person receiving the crime/offense. Yes, he was a pedophile so probably not totally right in the head and in is world maybe he has that, "what are you going to do about it" thing that a lot of idiots have. Apparently, he found out.

[Grange]

Tough guy didn't know the perv had been arrested for possession of child pornography. With what he knew at the time punching the perv was not the best response but not very unreasonable. Assault, involuntary manslaughter. It looks better in retrospect knowing more facts about the perv than it was during the incident.

[scorpion]

If the guy has no prior violent offenses I think he should be looking at probation/community service at the worst here. He didn't walk out his door that morning with intention to murder anyone, and he didn't punch the victim with intention to murder him, either. The victim clearly provoked him by photographing the man's daughter even after repeatedly being asked to stop.

Put yourself in the shoes of this man, a father and husband, as some weird fuck is recording your daughter when you're out for a meal, then you finally have enough and take his tablet only to find he's got kiddie porn on there. The guy deserved a beating at the very least. I doubt any jury is going to be very sympathetic to this dead pedophile given the evidence and circumstances, so I would be surprised if the man gets any jail time.

[Goldin Boy]

(02-10-2015 02:46 PM)mikado Wrote:  

So people are the one who make justice, by themselves?

He didn't plan to kill him though. He didn't know the guy was an alleged pedo till after the fact.

The punch was a reaction that any reasonable person would've taken. He (rightfully) felt that his child was being threaten/exploited, the kids can't stand-up for herself.

Someone died but it wasn't murder. Manslaughter, a fine, or the minimum penalty under the law would be appropriate.

[britchard]

This guy had previously been investigated for child pornography suspicions, correct?

I suspect that when the boxer looked at his photos, he saw a couple of his daughter, and then other images of young girls, possibly naked or semi-naked, and he may have presumed it was his daughter.

I feel more and more disgust towards paedophiles every day. I can see how a man who has sexual interests in a very physically mature 15 year old may be slightly unfortunate to be called a paedophile for the rest of his life, but especially with pre-pubescent kids it is absolutely disgusting.

[Saweeep]

(02-10-2015 04:53 PM)britchard Wrote:  

I suspect that when the boxer looked at his photos, he saw a couple of his daughter, and then other images of young girls, possibly naked or semi-naked, and he may have presumed it was his daughter.

I don't think there's a shred of evidence that this is what happened.

It would appear that the dead guy wasn't filming the daughter in particular either; just everyone in general.

Either way, two lives wasted really.

[britchard]

^So it's just a coincidence that this guy had previously been investigated for child porn offences then?

[Saweeep]

(02-10-2015 05:19 PM)britchard Wrote:  

^So it's just a coincidence that this guy had previously been investigated for child porn offences then?

Let's wait and see...

[AneroidOcean]

(02-10-2015 04:55 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 04:53 PM)britchard Wrote:  

I suspect that when the boxer looked at his photos, he saw a couple of his daughter, and then other images of young girls, possibly naked or semi-naked, and he may have presumed it was his daughter.

I don't think there's a shred of evidence that this is what happened.

It would appear that the dead guy wasn't filming the daughter in particular either; just everyone in general.

Either way, two lives wasted really.

One of the bolded sections, repeated. There are allegations that the assailant saw pornographic images of underage kids on the tablet:

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But the manager of another restaurant in Sotogrande said: 'The German Sandro had a bad reputation locally and was banned from various bars.

'He owed money in various places and walked with a limp and was quite an odd fellow.'

He added: 'As I understand it, he was in there with his iPad and taking pictures of people in the bar.

'[Mr Kainth] was looking through the photos on the tablet and saw photos of his children.

'Then he went further back and saw pornographic pictures of other children and just went crazy. He punched him to the ground and started kicking him.'

[godfather dust]

For one punch I would not charge dude with homicide.

I would see homicide more if he punched the weirdo and stomped his ass out or something.

So ya he murdered him, but the guy belongs in a casket anyway.

[Rutting Elephant]

(02-10-2015 03:15 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

No offense, but are we really defending the pedophile?

If, as it appears, the departed had his pedophilia under control (i.e. restricted to solitary fapping), I am inclined to defend him. He died for a thought crime. And very bad etiquette.

Incidentally, what do you guys think would be the appropriate response if we weren't the dad but noticed the perv's behavior?

[kaotic]

Sounds like he did the world a favor.

[RawGod]

No-one commenting on the short Indian guy with a hot blonde wife? Is this RVF?

[ChazKGB]

All pedophiles should be killed in the most painful way possible.

[Snowplow]

Sandro Rottman. The newly deceased.

[Stun]

I have no sympathy for the pedophile and I'm glad he's off this earth, but the guy who punched him needs to go to jail.

If you cause someone's death for reasons other than self-defense or an accident, you are a killer.

I'm sorry for Victor that he didn't know his own strength, but it's tough luck. You can't have every idiot running around taking the law into his own hands.

What if it had been a case of mistaken identity and the German guy was a documentary filmmaker making movies against child porn? This is why you wait for the police instead of flying off the handle like an idiot.

If for no other reason, Victor should go to jail for the fact that dumb people shouldn't be allowed to walk around unattended.

[weambulance]

(02-10-2015 06:50 PM)ChazKGB Wrote:  

All pedophiles should be killed in the most painful way possible.

So, according to you, anyone who is attracted to children - and I mean real children, not the social fantasy definition of what constitutes a child - should be killed in a horrific manner even if they never act on their attraction?

This kind of thread is exactly why I spend so little time here anymore. Yep, it's totally cool to murder a guy on the spur of the moment even if you have zero proof he ever hurt anyone just because his tastes are taboo.

And I'm the one that gets snarky ass comments about how I should move to Somalia just because I don't like cops around me.

[Brian Shima]

Wait was the German taking pictures of his baby girl. The one his wife is holding,?

[ChazKGB]

Are you a pedophile?