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01-07-2015, 09:28 AM
Quote: (01-07-2015 09:16 AM)Cincinnatus Wrote:
Quote: (01-07-2015 08:24 AM)Teedub Wrote:
It's alien, it's frightening, and it's going to end extremely messily. And I don't say that in a "I can't wait for a civil war" way, I actually am scared of these type of lone wolf attacks. They're going to happen on an increasing basis across Europe in my opinion.
One thing I think these Islamic extremists seem to forget is that Europeans are really, really good at war. So good, in fact, that nearly the whole continent hasn't seen a war on its own soil since the mid 1940's, when tens of millions of Europeans died. Europeans are so fucking good at war that they've been avoiding another one at nearly any cost, after centuries upon centuries of conflict.
If these extremist Islamic assholes keep pushing, sooner or later they will awaken a new European war machine, and it's not going to be pretty.
The problem is, is that the nations that used to be "really, really good at war" are fundamentally different to what they once were. Demographically, ideologically, prosperity-wise etc. Me and my mates would be shit scared and crap in a war compared to people of just a generation or two ago. Never mind the difference between modern Scandinavians and the Vikings etc.
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01-07-2015, 09:38 AM
I don't think it would take much persuasion to get the British underclass off fighting a war again, were it ever needed.
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01-07-2015, 09:44 AM
My question is:
how would you conduct that war?
Remove citizenship of everyone who declares himself Muslim?
I don't think that would be really constitutionnal to ask someone to mandatorily specify his/her religion.
And besides that: who exactly are you all going to attack? I see the word war thrown often, but a war against who? which country? Where?
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01-07-2015, 09:44 AM
France radically changed the world with it's French Revolution. At the time it scared the rest of Europe shitless and all monarchies at the time. In those times the educated French thinkers experimented with all sorts ideas, many of which the whole West uses today. America's revolution did not influence everything. France arguably was the first to experiment with concepts of true Atheist ideals in government. They mocked religion in ways America's founding fathers never did. They banned slavery long before other countries did, like in the 1300s. They have always been outside the box in many ways.
I guess the lesson here is that they historically have not been afraid to experiment and these radical types better be careful what they wish for.
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01-07-2015, 10:00 AM
Any confirmed leads about the comment that it might have been Mossad?
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01-07-2015, 10:04 AM
Europe has a draft. A lot of these 'pussy' European men, some keep talking about have been in the army. Many have fought in ME and Afghanistan. There are freecorps.
This will not end well if not adressed. Sweden had 5 attacks on mosques in a month. That is how it will begin. Isolated guerrilla, lone wolf counter-attacks. Both sides will escalate. Eventually an army under government by a democratically elected right-wing party steps in and declares state of emergency. After that, what happens is anyone's guess.
Better fix it before it gets to that, those who don't want fascist government. As Roosh points out though, denial is still very strong that there even is a problem, particularly in the left wing media. All this does, and the attempts to quell debate, is drive the everyman into the arms of national-socialist parties, which most of these 'anti-immigration' parties can be characterized as. Even if the current immigration issues are mostly the fault of the left, the right is also to blame, for not being willing to take a stance on cultural issues, defaulting to a libertarian stance: "Lower taxes will fix anything".
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01-07-2015, 10:05 AM
I've obviously warned about attacks like this in the past. I take no pleasure in being proven correct, but perhaps now those who thought I was being alarmist, racist etc... will be more willing to listen to what I'm saying.
The key message is this: Islam is completely incompatible with Western civilization. You have to choose between them. Do you like your freedom of speech? Your liberal traditions? The separation of church and state? Tolerance of opposing viewpoints? That's good if you do. But Islam stands for none of these things. Islam is not simply a religion, it is an entire form of society that encompasses religious, cultural and political traditions entirely alien to the Western man.
The reality is that attacks like this are going to continue over the next few years in Europe, fueling an increasingly radicalized and popular right wing reactionary movement. Within a few years these movements will have the popular support to take over most European governments. The only question is whether or not the existing liberal power structure in Europe will go quietly in elections, or if they will use illegal means to squash right wing parties and attempt to hold onto power. If the latter happens, there will be civil war in Europe, as right-wing reactionary movements will wage guerrilla campaigns against both their leftist governments and all immigrant populations.
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01-07-2015, 10:06 AM
Quote: (01-07-2015 09:44 AM)mikado Wrote:
My question is:
how would you conduct that war?
Remove citizenship of everyone who declares himself Muslim?
I don't think that would be really constitutionnal to ask someone to mandatorily specify his/her religion.
And besides that: who exactly are you all going to attack? I see the word war thrown often, but a war against who? which country? Where?
Extreme right parties would probably want to repatriate anyone of Arab/Muslim descent to the Middle East by force. The British could conceivably send 3rd generation Pakistanis to Pakistan, despite them having British passports.
Very unlikely to happen but never say never if the true extremists take power one day. If you think the above is extreme, just check out the BNP manifesto. Their policy used to be to send blacks back to Africa.
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01-07-2015, 10:14 AM
you throw often the "send them back" message, but I think most of those who carry these terrorist attacks are born in the West, and have no home in their country of origin.
What you seem to propose is to create ghettos for them there? Or you just don't care, as long as they leave the borders?
Further, I don't think the classical Arab prince who's got money , bitches and alchohol will be sent there.
For me you can only carry action towards those who are NOT YET in the West, by changing immigration policies.
Some folks who immigrated here/ are born from parents who immigrated truly consider themselves as a member of their country of residence. You just cannot send them all to a country where they might even be rejected and killed, for coming from the West.
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01-07-2015, 10:17 AM
^^ Mikado, your English is excellent but you misunderstand me and not for the first time. I'm not advocating the above policy. That is the policy of many of the extreme right parties.
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01-07-2015, 10:21 AM
Quote: (01-07-2015 07:34 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:
Fair enough, I edited my first comment.
For me the topic is religion though. This attack was almost certainly in response to some satirical article about Islam...the same place had previously been attacked for that reason.
I truly believe that society would be much better off without religion.
It has historically served a useful function as a way to control people but serves no purpose now for human advancement.
My academic background is the history of science. Like it or not, Christianity and Islam were hugely responsible for the rise of modern science.
Religion has far more "red pill" ideas than most will give it credit for. The churches are pathetic. The doctrines are actually very straightforward.
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01-07-2015, 10:22 AM
I think a good way to protect Europe would be to advocate the complete assimilation of immigrants, whether naturalised or not.
And it shouldn't matter if they were already citizens, because sometimes you notice that there are new immigrants who are much more assimilated and educated than ones who've been living in Europe for decades, so how many years an immigrant has spent I believe don't matter as much as how he is assimilated into a European country, traditions and culture.
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01-07-2015, 10:22 AM
Quote: (01-07-2015 10:14 AM)mikado Wrote:
you throw often the "send them back" message, but I think most of those who carry these terrorist attacks are born in the West, and have no home in their country of origin.
What you seem to propose is to create ghettos for them there? Or you just don't care, as long as they leave the borders?
Further, I don't think the classical Arab prince who's got money , bitches and alchohol will be sent there.
For me you can only carry action towards those who are NOT YET in the West, by changing immigration policies.
Some folks who immigrated here/ are born from parents who immigrated truly consider themselves as a member of their country of residence. You just cannot send them all to a country where they might even be rejected and killed, for coming from the West.
Totalitarian regimes often resort to such tactics
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