[IvanDrago]

(04-08-2015 04:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Top comment:

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43 SECONDS TO 47 SECONDS. You see him walk up with the bag stand next to the tree look down and you can see him drop the bag. No more bag on shoulder. Bomb goes off EXACTLY in the spot he was standing. Im really confused how this seems so hard for people to see. 43 SECONDS WHITE BACK PACK 46 SECONDS HE LOOKS DOWN 47 SECONDS YOU SEE HIS SHOULDER DROP AND HIM DROP THE BAG. ROCKET SCIENCE! How is this even up for debate when he admits it? Fucking people..... World is over populated with shit. 

Ya, I have seen that video before. I thought there might have been a different video I hadn't seen yet.

[kaotic]

He's a kid, I'm sure he doesn't give a shit about 72 virgins and fears death like a mother fucker.

I'll bet he's shitting bricks hoping he doesn't get put down.

A simple .45 ACP to his cranium would solve everything.

[YossariansRight]

My punishment: Cut his balls off, let him bleed out, then set him on fire while still alive. Have pigs eat the remains, then parachute the pigs into Chechnya.

[samsamsam]

From what I understand Mass does not have the death penalty but these are federal crimes. Each juror was screened on their openness to the death penalty. However, it requires unanimous agreement. I bet one decides against it. The cynic in me says they will do it so they can write a book about how hard it was to decide, etc.

Apparently the prison if he doesn't get the death penalty, he will get sent to Supermax which is considered a clean version of hell.

[samsamsam]

So the jury has decided on the penalty be it life in prison or death.

For the lawyers out there, would the prosecutor have been allowed to hold back some crimes in case the first trial had not gone well? I am not sure if I articulated that well. Apparently, he is charged with 17 crimes. Could there be more that the prosecutor is holding on to?

Maybe the prosecutor thinks the kid needs to be executed and if he doesn't get that decision, he goes back for more in another trial with a different jury.

I know you are not allowed to be tried for the same crime twice. But, hypothetically, let's say the prosecutor left off the death of one person, then technically he has not been tried for that crime, right?

Just curious.

Thanks.

Edit: I imagine being sentenced to a SuperMax prison would be a lifetime of hell considering how young he is. But some people are very blood lusting for justice and only his death would be acceptable. But Supermax sounds like torture. And he has to wait a long time for his 72 virgins.

[Tuthmosis]

(04-09-2015 10:47 AM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

My punishment: Cut his balls off

You're sounding a bit like the online-feminists on Twitter. We live in a civilized society governed by the rule of law.

[The Beast1]

Dude was a useful idiot, not to mention he wasn't seen on any of the security camera videos of the event. There were however tons of Craft International (military contractors) goons walking around the area.

[samsamsam]

Jury has decided to sentence him to death.

Edit: Damn appeals could take years.

[kaotic]

A decade or more before a needle touches his arm. Might as well sentenced him to life in prison - it's the same damn thing.

It just can't just be simple as taking him out back and a bullet to his head can it ?

[lskdfjldsf]

"This was not a religious crime, it was a political crime," says U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz (http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/Tsarnaev_...bing_Trial)

Only in America can a politically correct, non-offensive death sentence be delivered.

[Chauncey]

(05-15-2015 02:20 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Dude was a useful idiot, not to mention he wasn't seen on any of the security camera videos of the event. There were however tons of Craft International (military contractors) goons walking around the area.

Say what?

Not sure if you are being serious or being a smart ass.

[YossariansRight]

Death Penalty - YES!!! You fucking animal!!! ROT IN HELL!!!

[kaotic]

(05-15-2015 04:17 PM)Chauncey Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 02:20 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Dude was a useful idiot, not to mention he wasn't seen on any of the security camera videos of the event. There were however tons of Craft International (military contractors) goons walking around the area.

Say what?

Not sure if you are being serious or being a smart ass.

Beast's statement is valid, but toes the line of conspiracy theory.

Do a quick google search:

https://www.google.com/search?q=boston+b...ernational

[sixsix]

From the bottom of my liberal Eurotrash heart:

[samsamsam]

It appears there is a shortage of drugs needed to make the lethal injection cocktail. Since it will take a while before the appeals are resolved maybe this won't be an issue down the road. States have been dealing with this issue and I believe Utah installed the firing squad as its death penalty and another state is working on a gas option. A few months ago there was some news, I believe Texas, where the execution didn't go so well and it took much longer than it should have.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-...h-penalty/

The Boston Marathon bomber was sentenced to death, but the government can’t execute anyone right now

Quote:

The United States government sought and won a death sentence in the trial of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev for his role in the Boston Marathon bombing.

However, it is worth remembering something: The government cannot actually execute anyone right now. The Justice Department effectively has a moratorium on executions because it is reviewing the federal death penalty policy.

And even if the review immediately concluded that the federal protocol is fine as it stands, there is still the issue of the actual lethal injection drugs that would be needed for any execution. Federal officials say the Bureau of Prisons does not possess any doses of drugs intended for lethal injections because of this ongoing review, and these drugs are increasingly difficult for authorities to obtain.

“The Department of Justice has been conducting a review of the federal protocol used by the Bureau of Prisons, and has had a moratorium in place on federal executions in the meantime,” Patrick Rodenbush, a spokesman for the department, said in a statement.

Of course, there is likely a long appeals process ahead for Tsarnaev. His attorneys did not speak after he was sentenced, but they are expected to appeal the sentence; this process could be lengthy, which would delay the government actually confronting this issue in the case.

Federal death sentences are not frequently handed down, and inmates who arrive on death row often remain there for a while. There were 61 inmates on federal death row going into Tsarnaev’s sentencing, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. More than half of them were sentenced at least a decade ago, and 10 of them were sentenced before 2000.

Still, this federal review points to larger issues facing the country’s capital punishment system in recent years. This review stems, in part, from an ongoing shortage of lethal injection drugs that has pushed the issue of capital punishment back into the news and back to the U.S. Supreme Court.

A federal jury sentenced Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death for his role in the Boston Marathon bombings, rejecting arguments that he had fallen under his brother’s influence and was remorseful. (Reuters)
A rare occurrence

It is rare for someone to receive a federal death sentence and even more unusual for that sentence to actually be carried out. Since the federal death penalty statute was reinstated in 1988 and expanded in 1994, three inmates have been put to death by the government, all of them were by lethal injection.

Even when the government does seek a death sentence, judges and juries rarely impose it, having opted for a life sentence in about two-thirds of these trials, according to the Federal Death Penalty Resource Counsel Project.

The three inmates who have been executed were all put to death more than a decade ago. Timothy McVeigh was executed in 2001 for the Oklahoma City bombing, while Juan Raul Garza was executed a little more than a week later for murdering three men.

The last time that someone in federal custody was put to death was in 2003, according to Justice Department officials, when Louis Jones Jr. was executed. The Gulf War veteran was convicted for the 1995 kidnapping, rape and murder of an Army recruit, 19-year-old Tracie Joy McBride.

All three executions were carried out using three drugs that are listed in the execution protocol that the federal Bureau of Prisons has in place — the same protocol that is under review and cannot be used.

Under this protocol, condemned inmates must be brought into the execution chamber 30 minutes before the lethal injection is scheduled to begin. The protocol also calls for three sets of syringes containing the lethal drugs, one for the execution and another meant as a backup.

The first drug in the protocol, sodium thiopental, is meant to render the inmate unconscious. After that, pancurium bromide (a paralytic) and potassium chloride (which stops the heart) are supposed to be injected.

An ongoing drug shortage

This three-drug protocol resembles the same method used across the country until very recently, when an ongoing shortage of lethal injection drugs fractured the way executions are carried out in the United States. As the shortage has continued, states are scrambling to obtain the drugs needed to carry out executions.

“There’s no reason to believe that the federal government has better access to these drugs than any of the states do,” said Robert Dunham, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center. “If the drugs aren’t available, the drugs aren’t available.”

States struggling to find execution drugs and have turned to new and untested drug combinations, resulting in some executions that seemingly went awry. One of the drugs the federal policy lists, sodium thiopental, was frequently used in executions across the country until the company that manufactured it stopped producing the drug due to its use in capital punishment; it was last utilized in an execution in Alabama in 2011, according to the Death Penalty Information Center.

One of these problematic recent executions saw an inmate in Oklahoma writhe and grimace on the gurney during his lethal injection before dying 43 minutes after it began. President Obama called this execution “deeply troubling,” and he ordered then-Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to review the death penalty.

Most executions are carried out with little notice, but cases like what happened in Oklahoma or an Arizona execution that lasted for nearly two hours drew increased media attention. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the once-common three-drug combination in 2008, but they decided to take up lethal injection again this year amid a dramatically different landscape for capital punishment. (The arguments about whether Oklahoma’s execution protocols, which took place last month, wound up being unusually heated.)

Overall, a majority of Americans support the death penalty, though that number has been declining for two decades. Massachusetts, meanwhile, has not had the death penalty for more than three decades.

Holder said in February that he would support a national moratorium on lethal injections until the Supreme Court finishes reviewing lethal injection. He also said that the Justice Department has not yet completed the review of the death penalty that Obama ordered last spring.

[Blaster]

(05-15-2015 05:43 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 04:17 PM)Chauncey Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 02:20 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Dude was a useful idiot, not to mention he wasn't seen on any of the security camera videos of the event. There were however tons of Craft International (military contractors) goons walking around the area.

Say what?

Not sure if you are being serious or being a smart ass.

Beast's statement is valid, but toes the line of conspiracy theory.

Do a quick google search:

https://www.google.com/search?q=boston+b...ernational

If he's referring to Tsarnaev, the first part of the statement is not valid at all.

[YossariansRight]

(05-15-2015 09:57 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

It appears there is a shortage of drugs needed to make the lethal injection cocktail. Since it will take a while before the appeals are resolved maybe this won't be an issue down the road. States have been dealing with this issue and I believe Utah installed the firing squad as its death penalty and another state is working on a gas option. A few months ago there was some news, I believe Texas, where the execution didn't go so well and it took much longer than it should have.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-...h-penalty/

The Boston Marathon bomber was sentenced to death, but the government can’t execute anyone right now

Quote:

The United States government sought and won a death sentence in the trial of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev for his role in the Boston Marathon bombing.

However, it is worth remembering something: The government cannot actually execute anyone right now. The Justice Department effectively has a moratorium on executions because it is reviewing the federal death penalty policy.

And even if the review immediately concluded that the federal protocol is fine as it stands, there is still the issue of the actual lethal injection drugs that would be needed for any execution. Federal officials say the Bureau of Prisons does not possess any doses of drugs intended for lethal injections because of this ongoing review, and these drugs are increasingly difficult for authorities to obtain.

“The Department of Justice has been conducting a review of the federal protocol used by the Bureau of Prisons, and has had a moratorium in place on federal executions in the meantime,” Patrick Rodenbush, a spokesman for the department, said in a statement.

Of course, there is likely a long appeals process ahead for Tsarnaev. His attorneys did not speak after he was sentenced, but they are expected to appeal the sentence; this process could be lengthy, which would delay the government actually confronting this issue in the case.

Federal death sentences are not frequently handed down, and inmates who arrive on death row often remain there for a while. There were 61 inmates on federal death row going into Tsarnaev’s sentencing, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. More than half of them were sentenced at least a decade ago, and 10 of them were sentenced before 2000.

Still, this federal review points to larger issues facing the country’s capital punishment system in recent years. This review stems, in part, from an ongoing shortage of lethal injection drugs that has pushed the issue of capital punishment back into the news and back to the U.S. Supreme Court.

A federal jury sentenced Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death for his role in the Boston Marathon bombings, rejecting arguments that he had fallen under his brother’s influence and was remorseful. (Reuters)
A rare occurrence

It is rare for someone to receive a federal death sentence and even more unusual for that sentence to actually be carried out. Since the federal death penalty statute was reinstated in 1988 and expanded in 1994, three inmates have been put to death by the government, all of them were by lethal injection.

Even when the government does seek a death sentence, judges and juries rarely impose it, having opted for a life sentence in about two-thirds of these trials, according to the Federal Death Penalty Resource Counsel Project.

The three inmates who have been executed were all put to death more than a decade ago. Timothy McVeigh was executed in 2001 for the Oklahoma City bombing, while Juan Raul Garza was executed a little more than a week later for murdering three men.

The last time that someone in federal custody was put to death was in 2003, according to Justice Department officials, when Louis Jones Jr. was executed. The Gulf War veteran was convicted for the 1995 kidnapping, rape and murder of an Army recruit, 19-year-old Tracie Joy McBride.

All three executions were carried out using three drugs that are listed in the execution protocol that the federal Bureau of Prisons has in place — the same protocol that is under review and cannot be used.

Under this protocol, condemned inmates must be brought into the execution chamber 30 minutes before the lethal injection is scheduled to begin. The protocol also calls for three sets of syringes containing the lethal drugs, one for the execution and another meant as a backup.

The first drug in the protocol, sodium thiopental, is meant to render the inmate unconscious. After that, pancurium bromide (a paralytic) and potassium chloride (which stops the heart) are supposed to be injected.

An ongoing drug shortage

This three-drug protocol resembles the same method used across the country until very recently, when an ongoing shortage of lethal injection drugs fractured the way executions are carried out in the United States. As the shortage has continued, states are scrambling to obtain the drugs needed to carry out executions.

“There’s no reason to believe that the federal government has better access to these drugs than any of the states do,” said Robert Dunham, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center. “If the drugs aren’t available, the drugs aren’t available.”

States struggling to find execution drugs and have turned to new and untested drug combinations, resulting in some executions that seemingly went awry. One of the drugs the federal policy lists, sodium thiopental, was frequently used in executions across the country until the company that manufactured it stopped producing the drug due to its use in capital punishment; it was last utilized in an execution in Alabama in 2011, according to the Death Penalty Information Center.

One of these problematic recent executions saw an inmate in Oklahoma writhe and grimace on the gurney during his lethal injection before dying 43 minutes after it began. President Obama called this execution “deeply troubling,” and he ordered then-Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to review the death penalty.

Most executions are carried out with little notice, but cases like what happened in Oklahoma or an Arizona execution that lasted for nearly two hours drew increased media attention. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the once-common three-drug combination in 2008, but they decided to take up lethal injection again this year amid a dramatically different landscape for capital punishment. (The arguments about whether Oklahoma’s execution protocols, which took place last month, wound up being unusually heated.)

Overall, a majority of Americans support the death penalty, though that number has been declining for two decades. Massachusetts, meanwhile, has not had the death penalty for more than three decades.

Holder said in February that he would support a national moratorium on lethal injections until the Supreme Court finishes reviewing lethal injection. He also said that the Justice Department has not yet completed the review of the death penalty that Obama ordered last spring.

Go with a piece of rope, it's reusable and cheap. Problem solved. Sell it to the leftists as "Green". That should shut a few of them up.

[Samseau]

(05-15-2015 02:20 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Dude was a useful idiot, not to mention he wasn't seen on any of the security camera videos of the event. There were however tons of Craft International (military contractors) goons walking around the area.

Actually I posted the security footage of the bombers, maybe you could try reading the top of this page?

[Laner]

I just watched 'Patriots Day' with Mark Wahlberg.

It was a pretty riveting movie and for the most part showed a solid argument against having Islam in America. It played the brother to be naive, and while not innocent, Berg certainly meant for the viewer to have sympathy for him.

Not once did the movie make Islam out to be anything but a dark and evil force living among Americans. Beer at noon, community, baseball; All the things that make America such a desired place to be for those who are not lucky enough to have been born here. No one, except maybe the young daughter, are happy. Fear surrounds them all, and the doctrine of their religion keeps them hopeful but only through death.

The theme of the movie was this right up until the end. The final 5 minutes were 'love wins' and more bullshit facebook type of activism. Flowers for dead kids. It was frustrating to think that most people would have the same emotional response to 95% of the film; Ban Islam fucking now! But those last 5 minutes take it all away and give the viewer a slapdown for thinking this at all. It almost went there, and indeed the lines from Bacon's character spoke of this - that Islam is currently untouchable in the eyes of the government and media.

I would recommend the film. It was an emotional memory of only a few years ago when this type of rage felt helpless and even hopeless. We have come so far in such a short time that it really does feel like a different world. I thank God for this everyday and that we can continue this current path. Also the scene where the Boston Police officer stands duty over the covered, shredded body of the 8 year old boy is heartbreaking.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I think that more sad that the bombing itself were the images of roving military gangs upending entire neighbourhoods at gunpoint.

I recall witnessing that from afar and thinking "America?"

[The Beast1]

(05-16-2015 08:32 AM)Blaster Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 05:43 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 04:17 PM)Chauncey Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 02:20 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Dude was a useful idiot, not to mention he wasn't seen on any of the security camera videos of the event. There were however tons of Craft International (military contractors) goons walking around the area.

Say what?

Not sure if you are being serious or being a smart ass.

Beast's statement is valid, but toes the line of conspiracy theory.

Do a quick google search:

https://www.google.com/search?q=boston+b...ernational

If he's referring to Tsarnaev, the first part of the statement is not valid at all.

I don't remember what I was talking about, but I meant to say that Tsauenav was a useful idiot and the craft international folks were letting the event unfold for the purpose of using the event for political ends.

(05-16-2015 06:56 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 02:20 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Dude was a useful idiot, not to mention he wasn't seen on any of the security camera videos of the event. There were however tons of Craft International (military contractors) goons walking around the area.

Actually I posted the security footage of the bombers, maybe you could try reading the top of this page?

Two years after the fact:

[Laner]

(12-25-2017 01:41 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I think that more sad that the bombing itself were the images of roving military gangs upending entire neighbourhoods at gunpoint.

I recall witnessing that from afar and thinking "America?"

This is 100% why the last 3 administrations have been importing Muslims instead of groups of people who have proven integration records.

With more chaos and a millions of foxes in the hen house, people are only too willing to put up with this.

[Blaster]

(12-25-2017 01:41 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I think that more sad that the bombing itself were the images of roving military gangs upending entire neighbourhoods at gunpoint.

I recall witnessing that from afar and thinking "America?"

The bombers were terrorists armed with guns and improvised explosives, who had demonstrated willingness to kill random Americans for no reason other than being American. And even then, the shelter-in-place was not ordered until the night when the pair murdered MIT Officer Sean Collier and gotten into a protracted firefight in a heavily populated residential area of Watertown, in which several officers were injured (one of whom eventually died).

Again: They were setting off bombs and shooting at police in dense residential neighborhoods. Everyone wanted those motherfuckers caught and hung.

Civilians, while a bit unnerved and intimidated by the heavily armed police presence, generally understood the stakes and did their best to cooperate. So far as I know there were no accidents or misunderstandings that ended badly.

Also, a fact that tends to be glossed over by coverage of the event (including the excellent Wahlberg movie) is that the shelter-in-place was ended before the target was found and apprehended. Although this does suggest that perhaps the shelter-in-place was a misguided tactic, it does show that the elected leaders were not willing to keep the city shut down indefinitely.

[Blaster]

(12-25-2017 12:29 AM)Laner Wrote:  

I just watched 'Patriots Day' with Mark Wahlberg.

It was a pretty riveting movie and for the most part showed a solid argument against having Islam in America. It played the brother to be naive, and while not innocent, Berg certainly meant for the viewer to have sympathy for him.

I didn't find sympathy for the character in the movie. Maybe I was biased but he seemed to me like a spoiled brat who was a petty drug dealer on campus and just couldn't wait to shoot a gun and murder a cop. He seemed like a complete loser to me and the movie's climax was a slo-motion sequence of a Boston police officer body slamming his sorry ass into the dirt.

[Laner]

(12-26-2017 01:00 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 12:29 AM)Laner Wrote:  

I just watched 'Patriots Day' with Mark Wahlberg.

It was a pretty riveting movie and for the most part showed a solid argument against having Islam in America. It played the brother to be naive, and while not innocent, Berg certainly meant for the viewer to have sympathy for him.

I didn't find sympathy for the character in the movie. Maybe I was biased but he seemed to me like a spoiled brat who was a petty drug dealer on campus and just couldn't wait to shoot a gun and murder a cop. He seemed like a complete loser to me and the movie's climax was a slo-motion sequence of a Boston police officer body slamming his sorry ass into the dirt.

No sympathy here either. I watched it with my whole family and every one of them wanted blood. I just kept getting the feeling that Berg kept wanting to show the kid as a fuck up, a delusional pot head. But someone who was in over his head. I think this is why fucking Rolling Stone put him on their cover. The media narrative somehow became "he was just a kid trying to be cool".