[Kaizen]

For members who are open to a LTR/marriage, what number of prior sexual partners (assuming you could accurately obtain one) would have you walking away and saying NEXT !

Had a heated discussion with a friend recently on this...looking forward to the responses on this one.

Edit: Let's assume the girl is 28 to make the question easier to answer.

[peterthephoenix]

While it's not completely binary. (i.e. A girls taken less than 5 dicks can still be fucking crazy and a terrible partner, or a girl who's had 15 can be an awesome partner). Also dependent on what age you meet her.

But I'd say anything less than 10 (a mix of casual encounters and boyfriends) is probably a good bet, you want a bit of experience but not too many miles on the car.

Anything over 15 and I'd start to be a little anxious. Over 20 is a no.

[Grange]

It depends. Am I looking to have children and she gives signs that she'll be a good mother? Am I old and just wanting not to be too lonely now that I no longer have the energy to chase like I used to? Have I been bankrupted and is she a wealthy widow? Lots of other variables in there.

[TravelerKai]

Anything over 3, and it's a hard maybe. Over 5 and it is a no. Dead serious.

A woman 28, is a hell no. 25 and under only.

[Spectrumwalker]

Just had this talk with my girl about a month ago. For me, I will not tolerate being a girls 5th man. If a girl has slept with more than four men she is a slut in my book and has shown that she can't take herself seriously so I sure won't take her seriously. Obviously her notch count alone doesn't solely determine if she's LTR material but it's damn important to know if she seems like she could be.

[Onto]

(12-15-2014 09:02 PM)peterthephoenix Wrote:  

While it's not completely binary. (i.e. A girls taken less than 5 dicks can still be fucking crazy and a terrible partner, or a girl who's had 15 can be an awesome partner).

This is true and besides you'll never know the real number anyways so best not to put too much importance on it, unless it's an extreme number.

A person's relationship history can provide great insight into her. I don't mean the number of guys, but the context of the relationship itself.

That aside, if you can't determine is she's LTR/Wife material based on who she is now and how she acts than you shouldn't marry her.

I think the only time we should marry someone is if we get to a point where we realize we wouldn't want to have to go through life without them. If you think about it, that's a pretty extreme circumstance. I'm not talking about the "in-love, pedestal-izing" phase of the first 1-2 years in.

Usually people get engaged because they become disillusioned after the in-love phase is over and the nagging question of "What is missing? Why don't I feel fulfilled?" rears it's ugly head again.

The same question that existed before the two met.

Usually happens somewhere between 1-2 years and a couple either breaks up or gets engaged. If they get engaged the question is deferred until after the honeymoon is over when it pops back up again. At that point having children becomes the answer to that old troublesome question. "What is missing? Why don't I feel fulfilled?"

[Dismal Operator]

For me I'd only LTR/marry for children, I don't see the point otherwise. But a girl at 28 automatically goes into the bang only camp, my mind instantly nexts her LTR wise. She could be Virgin Mary, but at 28 I'm playing the odds and the vast majority of 28 year olds here have baggage of various sorts that makes her unsuitable for anything long term. Not to mention if I'm signing up to deal with her menopausal years I'm getting the early 20s up front. This means that surely some good ones are going to be thrown out with the bathwater but oh well.

Absolute most is 3, and even then she needs to be pristine everywhere else. I don't really care if she's bad in bed at first since there is time to train her properly over time. For Western Society circa 2014, it's a tall order for me to achieve what I'm looking for, but if it doesn't pan out I'll be ok with trying to impersonate the Dos Equis guy for the rest of my life.

[samsamsam]

I think how a person is (principles, values, etc) drives the person's behavior.

So the number of guys she has fucked is just a symptom.

So even if you can't guess/figure out how many dicks she has had, that is all driven by who is she.

So if, and it is a BIG IF, you can figure out who she, you make your decision based on that.

In other words, hire a private investigator

[OGNorCal707]

(12-15-2014 09:17 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Anything over 3, and it's a hard maybe. Over 5 and it is a no. Dead serious.

A woman 28, is a hell no. 25 and under only.

Good luck finding that in the U.S. nowadays... Maybe California is more liberal and therefore promiscuous of a state, but I'd estimate that the average 25 year old woman between 6-8 on the scale has fucked around 20 guys, maybe double or triple that number depending how much of a whore she is.

Now obviously I'm pulling a stat out of my ass, but I'm just going on what I see, hear, and experience in my life. If you figure that most girls lose their virginity around 15-16 and then have a slut phase between 18-21, there's a lot of dicks that come in between.

It's a sad state, I tried to discuss and extrapolate on the philosophy of the current sexual market place, sexual dynamics, feminism, and the interplay of society and culture with a friend just yesterday.

Unfortunately he is a bit dimwitted and wasn't really following, but the point that I was trying to drive to him is that women get a free pass to be a slut, being a slut is almost glamorized by popular culture, there are no repercussions from being a slut, and women are now acting as if they are alpha males and are being the players, or "spinning plates" for the guys who like to use that term.

[Cr33pin]

I have inserted my dick into girls in the triple digits.... will that make me a bad wife/LTR?

[General Mayhem]

Who knows what an acceptable number will be when I start thinking about that. I'm hoping to find a girl who slipped through the cracks, because I know they exist.

One of the hottest most well know girls at my college is a notorious virgin. She was dating a guy for several years and still wouldn't give it up. She is a total dime and comes from a lot of money.

I think you have a better chance of finding a girl with low numbers if you look for the very upper class or very lower class. Middle class girls are trash.

I do want to have a lot of kids though, like 4 or 5. I only want to do it if I have the money to send them to a really good school though.

[Old Fritz]

(12-15-2014 09:17 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Anything over 3, and it's a hard maybe. Over 5 and it is a no. Dead serious.

A woman 28, is a hell no. 25 and under only.

^ This. I'd only choose a serious relationship if she is mother material. Virgin, though one or two isn't too bad.

[Sonoma]

25 and under, 5 and under

Though I was my ex's 5th and she was ruined by dick 1.

[YossariansRight]

(12-15-2014 09:02 PM)peterthephoenix Wrote:  

While it's not completely binary. (i.e. A girls taken less than 5 dicks can still be fucking crazy and a terrible partner, or a girl who's had 15 can be an awesome partner). Also dependent on what age you meet her.

But I'd say anything less than 10 (a mix of casual encounters and boyfriends) is probably a good bet, you want a bit of experience but not too many miles on the car.

Anything over 15 and I'd start to be a little anxious. Over 20 is a no.

You bet! My ex-fiancée had an N = 1 and was nuts, to the point where she vacationed in a rubber room for a while (post breakup).

That said, my rules of thumb are:

For marriage/children, N = 3 or less. LTR, N = 5 or less.

More than 5 cocks and you're entering permanent pair bonding damage/cum dumpster territory. In other words, fuck 'em & chuck 'em.

[Americas]

I think anything under 10 is perfectly fine.

[tallandblonde]

So does this assume that she is telling the truth? Most girls I imagine are well over 10 guys by the age of 28, but they will just lie about the number of guys that they've slept with.

[LouEvilSlugger]

The greatest single indicator is she has been living on her own or not, and if so for how long, a girl with her own place can do as she pleases which includes bringing back strangers to bang, I guess in most cases in the US you have to move out for college but where I live it's not unusual for girls as old as 25 to attend local schools or to be on the job market and still live with their parents (which partially prevents sluttiness)

If a girl has been living on her own since she was 18-20, I just assume she's been on the cock carrousel and adjust my game from there

[Ingocnito]

(12-15-2014 09:45 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

I think how a person is (principles, values, etc) drives the person's behavior.

So the number of guys she has fucked is just a symptom.

So even if you can't guess/figure out how many dicks she has had, that is all driven by who is she.

So if, and it is a BIG IF, you can figure out who she, you make your decision based on that.

In other words, hire a private investigator

With that said, fuck what comes out her mouth, even when she's staring you convincingly in the eye. Women's lying has evolved to become better, parallel to guys game getting better. Actions and behavior are ALL that counts ultimately.

If it really took hiring a PI to be sure, well, as sad as it sounds re, a life partner, it may be a worthwhile investment.

[anal?]

I guess the below 5 cocks talk is not based on girls living in the US?. As OGN said,you are lucky to find a chick here in America between the 6-8 range who went to college away from home,has lived alone post college and ofcourse gone through a slutty phase which i consider 18-22 to have had a notch count below 15 cocks. Let's not forget the miss butter face 5 with the banging body and a face you'll just like keep hidden beneath the pillow and bang along.This chick because of her insecurity,addiction to facebook,has had a POF and Okstupid account for 5years and is logged on daily,has a slight drinking and drug problem would bang any dick within a 5mile radius of her vagina for validation.

Then we have the 8s and 9s who has 3200 friends on facebook,has 120 likes from each dumb post from her obiters.Has been in a few threesomes and has played with the cocks of a few alpha dudes from most of the popular dudes on a few of the fraternities on campus.Then there are those trips she went to Africa or the Caribbeans for "charity",which she promptly banged a local or two. Then we take into account a few of the alpha dudes always suited down who she though she would lock down for marriage but ended getting her heart broken.

So as a wise man once said here,the average American chick has had more dick in her than Michael Jordan can dunk on if put together.So yea i'd say 10-15 dicks is the best we can hope for a 28 year old American.In closing,you my sweet 28year old darling is not suitable for a LTR and will just be used for your cum dumping responsibilities.

[sandman972]

Im not sure this is a question that should be asked, as the answer she gives will never be factual. A girl that has slept with 20 guys in her life can say only 5.
While she answers you, flashbacks will pop up in her head that she will refute from telling you (o ya that guy in Cancun, that crazy night in Vegas etc.)

Instead a thorough exposure of her history and what she is at face value will usually give you the best indicator if she a compatible partner. Does she come from a reasonably stable family? What is her social circle like? Are her friends cold-hearted sluts? If so, you can be sure she is one too.

If your gut is telling you shes been around, listen to it. Theres a reason for this. You brain is associating her behavior and demeanor with what you would perceive as a slut, yet your conscious mind cant always give you the proper clarity, especially if emotions are invested.

[jasond]

According to the CDC, the median American women (age 25-44) has had 3.6 sexual partners. So it seems reasonable to look for a girl with a notch count of less than 3.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statist...erlifetime

[peterthephoenix]

Hah you really believe those stats?

Good luck finding a girl close to 25 who has taken less than 3 dicks. Especially the hot ones. There's a few who held on to it for boyfriends only, or they got into something long term and just got out of it. But I'm thinking I don't want a girl who spent 4-8 years with a guy, too much bonding.

[eradicator]

how on earth can you figure out how many partners she has had? You want to ask her? Women will lie about this. I promise you. I mean seriously, this is something that is pointless to stress over. If it takes zero to no game to get her in bed, and she puts up zero last minute resistance when you go to get her pantys off, chances are, she has had a lot of dick. The better relationship girls i have had all took multiple dates and a lot of last minute resistance or were terrified that i didn't think they were good at sex, or were not pleased with them.

[El Chinito loco]

(12-16-2014 04:03 AM)peterthephoenix Wrote:  

Hah you really believe those stats?

Good luck finding a girl close to 25 who has taken less than 3 dicks. Especially the hot ones. There's a few who held on to it for boyfriends only, or they got into something long term and just got out of it. But I'm thinking I don't want a girl who spent 4-8 years with a guy, too much bonding.

In Asia you can easily find girls who have had less than 3 cocks. The girls tend to fall into two extremes there. You get the minority of mega whores who will sleep with random guys at the club, every tourist cock, online cock, etc..

You will also have many more traditional minded and sexually conservative good girls looking for stable relationships.

It's like the polar opposite in the west where most women act and look like whores and there's only a small minority of actual good girls.

This thread is a bit depressing because it seems a lot of guys have never been exposed to a culture with actual decent women. Girls who have taken loads of cocks like in the anglosphere is not a normal thing in many countries.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The n-number is only of comparative approximately useful value.

Of course after some number in the high double digits I don't expect anything good coming from a girl, because her threshold is just too low and she did not make any effort to be in a LTR in her prime. When a 28 year old has had 20+ men, she would have to be a veritable angel and a 8-9 to make it up.

But on the other hand I've had girls who have had n-counts of 5, who were nuts. One recently was cute, very innocent, sex was completely new to her and her n-count was 1 (one boyfriend), since she really did not know what to do with a dick and she grew up very catholic. But that very girl is still crazy in so many emotional aspects that one would be crazy to marry her - never mind if she can be faithful.

A girl can be bat-shit crazy after just one guy or even while being a pent-up virgin, who marries you, but then lets loose after the wedding fucking everyone willy nilly, because she had all this feminist slut-walk energy inside her. Plenty of traditional Christian guys have stories like that. The old virgin = stable marriage meme does not work so well, because women are encouraged to "explore their sexuality" and to sample a wide assortment of bad boys, bikers, ex-cons, porn-stars etc. A virginal bride will feel that she missed out on something and will cheat on you. In the past there was the entire chaste society and shaming mechanism in place that kept the female sexuality in check. Now all bets are off.

My personal take:

The number is a guideline and important, but not absolute. If she is 21, super-hot and came to her senses in her fucking prime and decides to be a good girl after banging 15 dudes between 15 to 20, but realizes AT THE PRIME AGE OF 21, that this does not make her happy, then I would take such a girl. I actually met one such girl in Gdansk, Poland in a club. She told me that she was recently engaged to a catholic youth leader and they are getting married in 6 months. She was a high 8 and I could sense that she had been slutting around before. But then she talked 20 minutes about the bible and it all made sense. Most girls have an epiphany at ages of 27-33 - their "realizations" then are useless. If she reached the same level at 21, I would take her, if I were interested in long bible-talks interrupted by deep dicking with a smoking hot 21 year old.

Just as with everything in life, there are no absolutes - use your head & your gut instinct - intuition to the best of your Red PIll awareness.