[Jevioso]

Once you understand the reality of Hollywood, it's hard to buy these stories:

[TravelerKai]

(11-21-2014 12:39 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

One of the "rape victims" came forward with her story yesterday. Get a load of this one.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/20...88270.html

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During a chance encounter at the Hilton gift shop, where Serignese says she was looking at jewelry with her sister, she says that Cosby invited her to see his show. "Somebody came up to me and put their arm around my neck from the back and said: 'Will you marry me?'" Serignese told HuffPost over the phone. "And I turned around to see who it was, and it was Bill Cosby."

After the show she claims she was escorted back to the green room by one of Cosby's people, where she waited around until everyone else had left. Once they were alone together, she says that Cosby held out two white pills and a glass of water, saying, "Here, take these." She did.

"The next memory I have was I was in a bathroom and I was kind of bending forward and he was behind me having sex with me," she said. "I was just there, thinking 'I'm on drugs, I'm drugged.' I felt drugged and I was being raped and it was kind of surreal. My frame of mind was that it would be over soon and I could just get out of there."

Serignese says that her mother encouraged her to call Cosby after she confided in her about the assault, saying, "Well, maybe he'll take care of you." She claims that she did call him, and that Cosby put her up in her own room in the penthouse of the Hilton for about three weeks, until he kicked her out after she had a pregnancy scare. She claims that she continued to have intermittent contact with Cosby over the next 20 years, including at least one subsequent sexual encounter around 1985. She also accepted two payments from him in 1996 after she sustained serious injuries in a car accident, including a $5,000 check from his agent, but she never came forward publicly about the assault for fear that no one would believe her.

Is "raped", dates him for a few weeks, then continues to talk to him for more than two decades after he dumps her.

What kind of "rape victim" has sex with their attacker 10 years later?

What kind of "rapist" pays for their victim's medical bills for an unrelated accident 20 years later?

Badamson if you still want to call Cosby a rapist after stuff like this and hope to get any respect from anyone here, you are gravely mistaken. I will give you a pass on your OJ views. If you want to be the type that swears Ray Lewis killed that man with no proof, I may begin to wonder if you do not have some other agenda....

[silent_scope]

He's being tried and convicted in the court of public opinion, which sucks because now new money making opportunities are gone unless he speaks up with irrefutable proof/evidence them chicks are gold digging whores. Now everyone who has been hugged, greeted by or even brushed up against him is coming out with an allegation of rape since the word is now meaningless.

What bugs me the most is that folks are going hard on him, very gleefully I might add to say that Bill is guilty and he needs to be punished. But these same folks won't even stop and consider that these women might be lying. Like that shit isn't even in the realm of possibility that a woman could lie about rape.

[MidniteSpecial]

Bill Cosby is a very good man. I know first hand. One of my first jobs I ever had in the business was for a man who had worked for Bill for twenty years. When his sister got cancer, when his father passed away, Bill Cosby was there for all of that and supported him in many ways.
It really sucks to see this happening more and more in the media.

[Benoit]

(11-21-2014 11:32 AM)silent_scope Wrote:  

He's being tried and convicted in the court of public opinion, which sucks because now new money making opportunities are gone unless he speaks up with irrefutable proof/evidence them chicks are gold digging whores. Now everyone who has been hugged, greeted by or even brushed up against him is coming out with an allegation of rape since the word is now meaningless.

What bugs me the most is that folks are going hard on him, very gleefully I might add to say that Bill is guilty and he needs to be punished. But these same folks won't even stop and consider that these women might be lying. Like that shit isn't even in the realm of possibility that a woman could lie about rape.

Here in the UK they have been going after the estate of Jimmy Savile, no way to defend yourself once you're dead. He was a sleazy and very odd guy, but he left everything he had to charity.

The last report I saw said that after the lawyers had their cut, there wouldn't be anything left for the 'victims', let alone the charities who were expecting millions.

Cosby is a rich man, expect a similar cash grab here.

[Dusty]

I think it would go a long way if Cosby could discredit just one of his accusers. A contradictory statement made in the past perhaps.

If someone wants to be a hero and has time on their hands, start digging into interviews and quotes from these women in the past. If you could find one where one said she loved Bill or that they had a consensual relationship, then you found the silver bullet to put this bullshit to rest, and we'll have another data point showing that women lie liberally about rape for nefarious reasons.

Practice your research skills !

[Yams]

The conspiracy theories are strong in this thread. In situations like this l like to play the odds game:

What percentage of male celebrities, pro athletes, and rich folks have at least 1 rape allegation against them? I'll say no more than 5% because I can't name more than 1 for every 20 male celebrities i know. Like is there more than one Kobe Bryant on each of the NBA teams ?

How about 2 allegations? I can think of one and that is Ben Roethlisberger, any others? Think about how many players there are in the NFL.

How about 5 or more allegations? Again think about how many famous or rich dudes there are out there from all races and backgrounds. Is the media not covering them? If the alpha status of the accused is a big motivator for these allegations then I would think that there should be shit more out there.

[Jevioso]

(11-21-2014 01:21 PM)Yams Wrote:  

The conspiracy theories are strong in this thread. In situations like this l like to play the odds game:

What percentage of male celebrities, pro athletes, and rich folks have at least 1 rape allegation against them? I'll say no more than 5% because I can't name more than 1 for every 20 male celebrities i know. Like is there more than one Kobe Bryant on each of the NBA teams ?

How about 2 allegations? I can think of one and that is Ben Roethlisberger, any others? Think about how many players there are in the NFL.

How about 5 or more allegations? Again think about how many famous or rich dudes there are out there from all races and backgrounds. Is the media not covering them? If the alpha status of the accused is a big motivator for these allegations then I would think that there should be shit more out there.

The question you should ask is how many have you heard about?

The video i posted up, two girls were going to accuse Jamie Foxx of sexual assault, until, Sean Combs grabbed them and kicked them out of the party.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(11-21-2014 01:21 PM)Yams Wrote:  

The conspiracy theories are strong in this thread. In situations like this l like to play the odds game:

What percentage of male celebrities, pro athletes, and rich folks have at least 1 rape allegation against them? I'll say no more than 5% because I can't name more than 1 for every 20 male celebrities i know. Like is there more than one Kobe Bryant on each of the NBA teams ?

How about 2 allegations? I can think of one and that is Ben Roethlisberger, any others? Think about how many players there are in the NFL.

How about 5 or more allegations? Again think about how many famous or rich dudes there are out there from all races and backgrounds. Is the media not covering them? If the alpha status of the accused is a big motivator for these allegations then I would think that there should be shit more out there.

Conner Oberst comes to mind.

But the mother of all false rape accusations happened to comedian Fatty Arbuckle way back in the 1920 (a time known for its permissiveness -- coincidence?).

Supposedly, a woman passed out drunk at a party and he tried to help her. Her friend then accused him of rape and it became the media circus of the decade.

The Hearst newspaper chain apparently ran endless sensationalistic stories and cartoons mocking him. I hate to link to Wikipedia, but it seems to have the best account of what happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscoe_Arbu...he_scandal

Funny how liberals are quick to denounce a witch hunt in retrospect, but not while it's happening.

That said, with every new story that pops up, Bill Cosby becomes more and more tainted in my eyes. Yes, he's innocent till proven otherwise, but you can't just ignore accusation after accusation. If men kept coming forward saying Jessica Valenti threw scalding water at them but police never convicted, I think by the time of the tenth allegation, we'd be forming an opinion.

Women throw themselves at celebrities; for him to have alienated this many means there was something wrong somewhere. The phrase "Always leave them better than you found them" came about for a reason. Whatever he was doing, he apparently didn't do that.

[Dusty]

It seems like all his accusers went back again and again to Cosby to be brutally raped. Sometimes for decades.

Thought experiment, if you were anally raped, would you visit the guy over and over for years, while being anally raped each time?

[Mentavious]

Bill "Casting Couch" Cosby

[Yams]

(11-21-2014 01:38 PM)Jevioso Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 01:21 PM)Yams Wrote:  

The conspiracy theories are strong in this thread. In situations like this l like to play the odds game:

What percentage of male celebrities, pro athletes, and rich folks have at least 1 rape allegation against them? I'll say no more than 5% because I can't name more than 1 for every 20 male celebrities i know. Like is there more than one Kobe Bryant on each of the NBA teams ?

How about 2 allegations? I can think of one and that is Ben Roethlisberger, any others? Think about how many players there are in the NFL.

How about 5 or more allegations? Again think about how many famous or rich dudes there are out there from all races and backgrounds. Is the media not covering them? If the alpha status of the accused is a big motivator for these allegations then I would think that there should be shit more out there.

The question you should ask is how many have you heard about?

The video i posted up, two girls were going to accuse Jamie Foxx of sexual assault, until, Sean Combs grabbed them and kicked them out of the party.

I thought that was my question, how else can we determine probability? One side of the equation is meaningless without the other side. Not doing so is the definition of confirmation bias.

[Paracelsus]

HamsterMedia has come up with a summary of all allegations:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/cel...7131788726

Quote:

They are listed in the order their allegations became public.

1. Lachele Covington. Covington, an actress who was 20 at the time, filed a police report alleging that Cosby pushed her hand toward his penis after inviting her to his New York home on Jan. 25, 2000 to give her career advice. The New York Post reported that authorities “decided no crime had been committed because until the very moment Covington pulled her hand away, all actions had been consensual.” A Cosby spokesperson called the story “not true.”

2. Andrea Constand. Constand told Ontario police in January 2005 that a year prior, when she was 31, she had visited Cosby at his home in Pennsylvania seeking career advice. (Constand, an Ontario native, worked at the time for Temple University, Cosby’s alma mater.) Constand alleges he gave her “herbal” pills for anxiety, then “touched her breasts and vaginal area, rubbed his penis against her hand, and digitally penetrated” her. The Pennsylvania prosecutor who looked into the case has said that while he didn’t bring charges because the available evidence was not sufficient, he found Constand “credible” and found Cosby “evasive.” After prosecutors declined to charge him, Constand filed a civil suit against Cosby for $150 million; her suit cited, anonymously, 13 other women who alleged that he had sexually assaulted them. (Some of those women, referred to as “Jane Does” in legal language, have since identified themselves publicly and are mentioned below. The identities of Jane Doe witnesses are disclosed to defendants so their testimony can be fairly researched and challenged, but they are not ID’d by name in court or in public records.) Cosby’s attorney called Constand’s claims “utterly preposterous.” The suit was settled for an undisclosed amount in 2006.

3. Tamara Green. In February of 2005, Green, a retired trial attorney, appeared on The Today Show and told Matt Lauer that Cosby had drugged and assaulted her in the ‘70s. Green was working as a model and met Cosby through mutual friends, she says, and he once offered her what he told her was cold medicine when she was ill. When she began to feel incapacitated, she alleges, he offered to take her home, where he began groping and undressing her; when she struggled, he left, leaving behind two $100 bills on her table. Cosby’s attorney issued the following response (which referenced Green’s maiden name, Lucier): “Miss Green’s allegations are absolutely false. Mr. Cosby does not know the name Tamara Green or Tamara Lucier, and the incident she describes did not happen.” Green was one of the Jane Does cited in Constand’s lawsuit.

4. Beth Ferrier. In June 2005, Ferrier, 46 at the time, told the Philadelphia Daily News that Cosby drugged her coffee when she visited him before a performance in Denver when she was 25. Ferrier, who worked as a model, had been in a consensual relationship with Cosby that ended before the alleged assault; she met him through mutual acquantainces and had believed he would help her with her career. Ferrier was also a Jane Doe.

5. Barbara Bowman. In 2006, Bowman publicly identified herself as one of Constand’s Jane Does via an article in Philadelphia Magazine, though she didn’t discuss details of her accusation at the time. In October of this year—after comedian Hannibal Buress called Cosby a rapist during a performance—Bowman, now 47 and an artist, spoke about her experience to the Daily Mail. When she was 17 and pursuing a career as a model and actress, she says, she met Cosby, who she says pursued a mentor-mentee relationship with her and drugged and assaulted her multiple times. (While the Daily Mail can be unreliable, Bowman later vouched for its version of her account in a Washington Post piece.) Bowman’s account mentions that during their first encounter he asked her to wet her hair and pretend to be drunk while he stroked her, an incident similar to those recounted by other accusers.

6. Joan Tarshis. On Nov. 16 of this year Joan Tarshis, a 64-year-old music industry publicist and journalist, told Hollywood Elsewhere that Cosby raped her twice in 1969 when she was 19 years old and pursuing a career as a writer in L.A. Tarshis says Cosby first assaulted her after he invited her to work on material with him in his bungalow and made her a drink that caused her to lose consciousness.

7. Linda Joy Traitz. Now 63, Traitz wrote on Facebook on Nov. 17 that Cosby assaulted her when she was 19 and working as a waitress at a restaurant that he partially owned. Traitz alleges that Cosby offered her a ride home from the restaurant but instead drove her to a beach and tried to force her to take pills to help her “relax.” Traitz told CNN he then groped her chest, pushed her down, and tried to lie on top of her. Traitz has a criminal record that includes imprisonment on a drug trafficking conviction; in a response to her allegations, Marty Singer, an attorney representing Cosby, cited her troubled past and said she lacks credibility.

8. Janice Dickinson. On Nov. 18, model and reality TV personality Janice Dickinson, now 59, told Entertainment Tonight that Cosby sexually assaulted her in 1982. At a dinner in Lake Tahoe at which they were to discuss her career, she says, she asked him for a pill for period cramps, and that “the last thing I remember was Bill Cosby in a patchwork robe, dropping his robe and getting on top of me. And I remember a lot of pain.” Singer, Cosby’s attorney, called Dickinson’s story “a fabricated lie.” Dickinson says Cosby’s attorneys kept her from including a description of the alleged assault in a 2002 book, but Singer says she never wrote such a description and was never contacted by Cosby representatives.

9. Therese Serignese. The Huffington Post printed allegations made against Cosby by Serignese, a 57-year-old nurse in Boca Raton, Florida, on Nov. 20. She says she encountered Cosby in 1976 when she was 19 years old; he was headlining a show at the Las Vegas Hilton, she alleges, and approached her in the hotel gift shop. Backstage in the green room, he allegedly gave her drugs, and when she came to he was having sex with her in a bathroom, she says. Serignese subsequently stayed in contact with Cosby and accepted money from him—which he had promised to give her if she pursued an education and received good grades. She told the HuffPo that at one point in their relationship (it’s not clear when) he asked her to wet her hair and pretend to be an actress.

10. Carla Ferrigno. Carla Ferrigno, an actress and the wife of Incredible Hulk star Lou Ferrigno, told Rumorfix on Nov. 20 that in 1967 Cosby grabbed her and forcefully kissed her at a party while his wife was in another room.

11. Louisa Moritz. Moritz, a 68-year-old lawyer and onetime actress who appeared in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, told TMZ in a story published Nov. 20 that in 1971, Cosby forced her to perform oral sex on him in the greenroom of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson. Singer responded by saying allegations against Cosby have “reached a point of absurdity” and alleging that Moritz has been the subject of professional sanctions: “Mortiz is a lawyer who was disciplined by the California State Bar and ordered not to practice. We pulled the documents -- she can’t practice because she didn’t report certain quarterly reports.”

12. Renita Chaney Hill. Hill, now 47, says she met Cosby when she was 15 and he was filming an educational TV segment in Pittsburgh. Hill says they stayed in touch for four years—that Cosby flew her to meet with him in various cities and kept in touch with her parents, asking them about her grades in school. On Nov. 20 a Pittsburgh CBS affiliate broadcast an interview with Hill in which she said she believes Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her on more than one occasion during their relationship.

13. Angela Leslie. On Nov. 21, the New York Daily News reported that a 52-year-old former model-actress named Angela Leslie says that Cosby sexually assaulted her in Las Vegas in 1992. Leslie alleges Cosby fixed her a drink, asked her to wet her hair and pretend to be intoxicated, and masturbated using her hand while she was “in shock.”

Couple of notes after all that:

(1) The order in which the allegations became public is telling. No allegations of drug use in the first disclosure, but many of them have it after the first one says she was drugged. And speaking only for myself, this doesn't look to be a set of strikingly similar cases - not strikingly similar enough that I think you could ram them all home at one trial, at least not where I come from.

(2) Given this order there seems to be an element of "pile on" here, and it does get less credible as time goes on. Janice Dickinson has made some pretty wild claims about several men in her life, and we've got a pack of women that includes a convicted drug dealer and a lawyer who got disbarred. That's before we get into the accounts of women who had long relationships with Cosby while he was supposedly raping them.

(3) Carla Ferrigno's account doesn't include drugs in particular and, absent any other details, could just be badly judged alpha game for the time. More importantly, it's not rape.

(4) Remember to always be suspect of accounts of memories that get more precise with time. Memory doesn't work like that - unless your ego is boundless, you don't remember things better as you get older, and some of this shit is literally going back fifty years or more.

[Samseau]

Sounds to me like Cosby cheated like mad on his wife, but the rape part just isn't credible.

That said, being a cheater isn't exactly a good image to have when you're supposed to represent Black America's stable father. But the rape part seems like an exaggeration. He was a hound dog, not a rapist.

Some of them are absurd:

Quote:

4. Beth Ferrier. In June 2005, Ferrier, 46 at the time, told the Philadelphia Daily News that Cosby drugged her coffee when she visited him before a performance in Denver when she was 25. Ferrier, who worked as a model, had been in a consensual relationship with Cosby that ended before the alleged assault; she met him through mutual acquantainces and had believed he would help her with her career. Ferrier was also a Jane Doe.

A consensual relationship that ended in assault?

He probably settled these cased out of court just so his wife wouldn't find out about the cheating. But now it's being spun into a "rape" crisis, which again seems absurd.

[speakeasy]

So Cosby is the latest in a long list of wealthy men that have cheated on their wives. What else is new? I guess the worse thing he did was slip them roofies. Can't really defend that. But there is just way too much grey area in these claims to go around calling Cosby a rapist. The rape culture crowd is going ape shit right now.

Unfortunately, even if he didn't do anything illegal per se, his image is now tarnished forever as "America's Dad". It makes it worse in his case because he goes around preaching virtues.

[Quintus Curtius]

Probably the worst you can say about Cosby is that he enjoyed the opportunities that came with his status, and that he apparently enjoyed a multiplicity of sexual encounters. So what?

All men are flawed in one way or another. So what? I suspect that this sort of thing is very, very common in the celebrity world.

I also find it amazing, and instructive, to note that John Travolta was accused of the very same thing recently, although in his case it was for serial homosexual behavior. Some men came forward and accused Travolta of essentially coercing sex from them in various massage-parlor situations. But because homosexuality in Hollywood is considered acceptable and desirable, the accusations never gained traction. In fact, he gained sympathy. Amazing, isn't it?

But I don't believe for one second that Cosby was a "rapist" or that he committed any crimes. These little affairs from the 1970s and 1980s are ancient trysts that are now being recast as "crimes" to suit the needs of political correctness.

And this is one of the features of the SJW crowd: their utter cruelty, their delight in tearing down rather than building up. What purpose does it serve to drag Cosby through the mud, except pure sadistic pleasure?

They want to destroy him for what he represents. They know that he's old-school.

[Quintus Curtius]

I want to remember Cosby for how I first came to know his TV persona: as one of the great entertainers for children in the 1970s and 80s. That's how I want to remember him.

I refuse to be dragged down by this negativity.

I want to celebrate him for his work on The Electric Company, Sesame Street, Fat Albert, etc.


Let's celebrate the man, instead of tearing him down, or giving credence to these spurious claims. The hell with these evil people, trying to bring a man down for some stupid-ass, ancient bullshit. I almost feel like, when you attack the Cos, you attack your own childhood.

Take a look at these clips, especially the one with Morgan Freeman (I'm sure Morgan Freeman is next on the SJW hit list, so get ready for that).

Any of you guys who are over 40: I hope this brings back some memories. Some good memories.

.

[rudebwoy]

I am know fan of Cosby but this smells like a setup.

[Vronsky]

I watched the Cosby Show as a child but never seen Electric Company and only watched a couple of episodes of Fat Albert.

Those videos that Quintus Curtius posted are shocking in showcasing how young and good looking Bill Cosby and Morgan Freeman were. I only remember Bill Cosby as a middle aged Dad and Freeman as an old dude who plays God all the time. It didn't hit me just how LONG they've been around. That is some staying power.

[Enigma]

Quote:

MELBOURNE, Fla. (AP) — As Bill Cosby's standup tour crumbled with cancellations, the embattled entertainer joked about his usual subjects of family, wives and childhood Friday to a cheering audience that greeted him with a standing ovation as he took the stage and another when he finished.

It was a stark contrast to announcements that performances in Oklahoma, Nevada, Illinois, Arizona, South Carolina and Washington State, were called off as more women came forward and accused entertainer of sexually assaulting them many years ago.

Cosby has never been charged in connection with any of the allegations.

"I know people are tired of me not saying anything, but a guy doesn't have to answer to innuendos," Cosby told the Florida Today newspaper after the show. "People should fact check. People shouldn't have to go through that and shouldn't answer to innuendos."

Tom Werner, who co-founded the Carsey-Werner Company which produced "The Cosby Show," defended Cosby in a statement to the Boston Globe on Friday.

Despite everything swirling around the 77-year-old longtime entertainer, fans filled a sold-out theater in Melbourne, Florida.

Though an announcer before the show said disruptions were possible, none ever came. A radio station had offered $1,000 to anyone who would interrupt Cosby. Instead, the comedian — wearing cargo pants and a shirt that said "Hello Friend — was greeted only by a cheering, whistling, knee-slapping audience. He never came close to referencing the allegations.

At least twice, someone shouted, "We love you, Bill Cosby."

His 90-minute set wandered from a childhood fear of God to the loss of freedom in marriage to the rocket-speed Spanish of a piñata-store worker. He sat for much at first, then grew increasingly physical, impersonating jujitsu and gymnastics poses, lying on the floor in stocking feet and thrusting a fist upward in describing everyday quarrels with his wife.


"I think people went in there with him as Bill Cosby from the TV show, not the guy they heard about on the news," said Travis Weberling, 40, of Melbourne.

Outside the theater before the show, just one protester could be found. She held a sign that read, "Rape is no joke."

Julie Lemaitre, 47, of Rockledge, Florida, said she was there just to have a presence and to try to say to people attending "think about what you're doing."

Cosby's producers said at least 28 other shows remain on his schedule through May 2015.

However, shows in Las Vegas, Tucson, Arizona, Champaign, Illinois, Reno, Nevada, Florence, South Carolina, and at the Choctaw Casino Resort in Oklahoma were called off.

David Fischer, the director of The Broadway Center in Tacoma, Washington, said Friday that it has canceled Cosby's April appearance because it conflicts with the nonprofit organization's mission "to strengthen our community's social fabric by building empathy, furthering education and sharing joy."

Several fans in Florida, though, said they came to the Maxwell C. King Center For The Performing Arts to see good comedy and that the accusations didn't influence them.

"Let them prove it. It's old accusations," said Paul Palmieri, 47, of Melbourne, who said he was ready to see "the king of comedy."

Still, projects on NBC and Netflix have been canceled, and TV Land decided not to air reruns of "The Cosby Show" after recent allegations by more than six women that Cosby sexually assaulted them after giving them pills many years ago.

Josette Tornabene, 24, of Melbourne said she bought her ticket Friday, motivated by the radio's station's $1,000 offer.

"I wanted to see someone call him out," she said. "I want to see him be held accountable."

[Ryre]

Just saw a woman interviewed on Melissa Harris-Perry's show. The woman claims that as a young actress and model Cosby asked her to come audition for him privately in his hotel room. He asked her to pretend to be drunk, so he could evaluate her acting skills. He mixed her a strong drink and told her it might help; she barely touched it. She went to the bathroom and when she came out he had gotten undressed and got into bed. He called her over, put lotion in her hand, and as she put it "the act occurred."

Harris-Perry and the guests then proceeded to talk about whether to believe Cosby or the women who said he assaulted them. No one bothered to say that according to this woman's own story, there was no assault. There was a boorish but successful seduction. He asked her for a hand job and she agreed to give him one; she wasn't drunk or drugged or forced or threatened with force. She freely consented.

Now, my understanding is most of the other women are accusing him of acts that actually would be crimes, if true. But what is up with this business of treating acts that even if they occurred as described are not crimes as if they were? It's not enough now to believe women victims; we have to read between the lines and find that they were assaulted even when their own words prove they weren't.

[Dusty]

The Washington Post has a big expose on Cosby today. I see "serious people" commenting on how damning this article is on Cosby. I see it another way. To me this seems like a piling on by drug addicts, alcoholics and fraudsters looking for attention and money.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/...story.html

Some of the comments are encouraging.

As I have time, I will breakdown each of Cosby's accusers.

Here are the first two:

Woman #1: Joan Tarshis

Alleged incident: 1969

First public disclosure of alleged incident: November 2014 (45 years later)

Nature of allegation: 1. She blew Cosby after feeling foggy from a drink. 2. Several weeks later she freely met up with Cosby where upon she alleges he raped her again.

Damning facts about the accuser and allegation: 1) Freely goes back to Cosby weeks after being “raped” to be “raped again” 2) admits to being an alcoholic. 3) She never contacted the police. 4) It seems it would be very difficult to force a girl to blow you (i.e., you need her cooperation to open her mouth and suck it).


Woman #2: Linda Traitz

Alleged incident: 1969

First public disclosure of alleged incident: November 2014 (45 years later)

Nature of allegation: 1. She happily rode in Cosby’s Rolls Royce, and he grabbed her boobs and “all over.” When she objected, Cosby stopped and drove her home.

Damning facts about the accuser and allegation: 1) She’s a drug addict 2) She has a criminal record with multiple convictions 3) she was in prison from 2008-2012 4) Sought waitress job at a restaurant owned by Cosby and admits to being “star struck” 5) By her own admission, Cosby did not do anything worse than grab her boobs and “all over” while she was fully dressed. No penetration or ejaculating. Even if her allegations are true (which I doubt) it seems like Cosby was guilty of nothing more than ham-fisted kino escalation (which I would disprove of if factual). 6) She said she was “horrified” and crying from the incident. This alleged incident does not seem to rise to such a level that someone would be hysterically crying. Especially as we learn later she is a hardened criminal and drug addict, and being felt up would seem pretty mild compared to the lifestyle of a drug addict and prisoner and the world she lives in. 7) She never contacted the police.

[MdWanderer]

(11-23-2014 01:46 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

The Washington Post has a big expose on Cosby today. I see "serious people" commenting on how damning this article is on Cosby. I see it another way. To me this seems like a piling on by drug addicts, alcoholics and fraudsters looking for attention and money.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/...story.html

Some of the comments are encouraging.

As I have time, I will breakdown each of Cosby's accusers.

Here are the first two:

Woman #1: Joan Tarshis

Alleged incident: 1969

First public disclosure of alleged incident: November 2014 (45 years later)

Nature of allegation: 1. She blew Cosby after feeling foggy from a drink. 2. Several weeks later she freely met up with Cosby where upon she alleges he raped her again.

Damning facts about the accuser and allegation: 1) Freely goes back to Cosby weeks after being “raped” to be “raped again” 2) admits to being an alcoholic. 3) She never contacted the police. 4) It seems it would be very difficult to force a girl to blow you (i.e., you need her cooperation to open her mouth and suck it).


Woman #2: Linda Traitz

Alleged incident: 1969

First public disclosure of alleged incident: November 2014 (45 years later)

Nature of allegation: 1. She happily rode in Cosby’s Rolls Royce, and he grabbed her boobs and “all over.” When she objected, Cosby stopped and drove her home.

Damning facts about the accuser and allegation: 1) She’s a drug addict 2) She has a criminal record with multiple convictions 3) she was in prison from 2008-2012 4) Sought waitress job at a restaurant owned by Cosby and admits to being “star struck” 5) By her own admission, Cosby did not do anything worse than grab her boobs and “all over” while she was fully dressed. No penetration or ejaculating. Even if her allegations are true (which I doubt) it seems like Cosby was guilty of nothing more than ham-fisted kino escalation (which I would disprove of if factual). 6) She said she was “horrified” and crying from the incident. This alleged incident does not seem to rise to such a level that someone would be hysterically crying. Especially as we learn later she is a hardened criminal and drug addict, and being felt up would seem pretty mild compared to the lifestyle of a drug addict and prisoner and the world she lives in. 7) She never contacted the police.

This was the front page news in the Post today, even over the death of longtime mayor Marion Barry. Can't let the death of one of DCs most famous figures get in the way of a good story. Reminds me why I stopped reading the Post (nor to mention their phony "Date Labs" where the date always ends at "hello")

[Dusty]

Some more break downs of the accusers in the Washington Post article:

Woman #3: Victoria Valentino

Alleged incident: 1970

First public disclosure of alleged incident: November 2014 (44 years later).

Nature of allegation: 1. She and her friend went to dinner with Cosby. They all drank alcohol and took pills and went to Cosby’s pad. She felt inebriated. Cosby raped her there.

Damning facts about the accuser and allegation: 1) Takes her clothes off for men for a living at the time of the alleged incident. Women in the sex trades industry are notorious liars. 2) History of mental health problems. 3) Her 6 year old son died in her pool. I’d like to know more about this such as was she intoxicated at the time or otherwise neglectful. 4) She never called the police.


Woman #4: Tamara Green

Alleged incident: 1970

First public disclosure of alleged incident: November 2014 (44 years later).

Nature of allegation: 1. She went to dinner with Cosby. Cosby gave her pills at dinner and drove her home. Cosby raped her there.

Damning facts about the accuser and allegation: 1) A lawyer, her license was suspended in 2004 for reasons unclear. 2) Cosby’s lawyers said Cosby does not even know who this person is and never met her. 3) She never called the police.

[MrLemon]

Bill Cosby is rich, famous, and funny. He's been on the road or acting for what, 50 years?

So, how many drunk white women do you think wandered up to his hotel room? Thousands? Perhaps they were lined up at his door, pushing and shoving to be "first".

BRAVO BILL COSBY! A LIFE WELL-LIVED!

And by the way, his refusal to discuss it any further is PERFECT. I wish more famous men would do the same.

Or maybe it would be better if he stood up on the stage, named all of his accusers, and mocked them ruthlessly. Put picture of the stupid hags up on the screen, and get the whole audience to howl with laughter at these losers and their pathetic attempts to get their puny "revenge" on the evil black man that "forced them".