[Giovonny]

(11-04-2014 04:54 PM)britchard Wrote:  

Subconsciously telling women of your sexual intent

Your appearance, your body language, the way you talk, the things you talk about, the way you talk to her, the way you look at her, the way you touch her..

All of these things communicate your sexual intent.

I think there is a lot written on these topics.

(11-04-2014 05:34 PM)XXL Wrote:  

- End game - anything about pulling the trigger, orchestrating pulls, escalating sexually smoothly aka closing the deal.

(11-10-2014 02:27 PM)Hardy Daytona Wrote:  

One thing I find to be lacking is information on physical escalation.

Specifically, which parts of a woman to touch - front forearm, lower back, outer thigh etc. and in what situations to do it -

After lots of trial and error, I finally came up with a rough system that I like:

I started my escalation by touching her hands, rubbing them and caressing them, she responded well by turning her hands over and opening them up.

I started to rub her wrists, forearms, upper arms and shoulders taking my time before moving higher. I caressed her collarbone and neckline, rubbed her back and ran my hand across the back of her neck...

Finally, I put my nose on her ear and my face next to hers.. I ran my lips over her neck and hair line..

We start making out, I rub her ass, I lightly spank her ass.

"Techniques to turn a girl on sexually"

(11-04-2014 07:33 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Vocal tone, how you laugh, voice in general is a close second.

I worked on this and it helped me a lot.

"The Sound of Your Voice"

(11-05-2014 07:20 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Eye contact, reading her eyes, and reading her body language.

I love this type of stuff!

Basic Principles of Eye Contact"

(11-11-2014 04:28 PM)slubu Wrote:  

Texting is probably where my game is weakest too. I just don't feel congruent going into kid type text speak "wat up wit u lol"

Of course you don't feel congruent talking like a kid, you are an adult!

So, talk like an adult!

In person, you communicate clearly and sufficiently. Do them same over text.

Text the way you talk, just more concise. Keep it simple and light hearted.

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(11-05-2014 10:50 PM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  

Presence, empathy and emotional intelligence....

...these are the foundations of game principles and everything stems from these, so having a strong foundation in emotional intelligence and presence are essential.

Great post! I may make a thread on these topics..

(11-06-2014 01:23 AM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

The thrill of new bangs wears off after a few years of getting after it. But not much is said about why this happens, and more importantly, what it means for long term lifecycle of a player. After you've fucked more girls than you ever imagined, what do you do next? Keep banging? Doesn't that seem a little strange? This is a barely covered topic.

I'm going to do a thread on this because I am starting to experience this..

[puckerman]

There needs to be more stuff out there for guys who are really bad. Most stuff on game is good for guys who are already C students (average skills). There isn't enough out there for the D and F students. Going from an F to a C requires a different teaching style than going form a C to an A.

We could also use more stuff on fucking girls who are already "taken" and hired-gun game. By "hired guns," I mean waitresses, receptionists, nurses at the doctor's office, cashiers at the store, sales people, or any other "name-tag person" (a person whose job requires them to wear a name tag). Hired-gun game might be the toughest game of all because it's her job to be nice.

[hoopsy]

Being on point. Knowing what to say in the right moments.

This goes back to previous comments on developing a chill vibe.

[WestIndianArchie]

(11-18-2014 12:28 AM)hoopsy Wrote:  

Being on point. Knowing what to say in the right moments.

This goes back to previous comments on developing a chill vibe.

That comes from having lots of experiences.
Can't learn on the spot game from reading.

WIA

[hoopsy]

(11-18-2014 12:37 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 12:28 AM)hoopsy Wrote:  

Being on point. Knowing what to say in the right moments.

This goes back to previous comments on developing a chill vibe.

That comes from having lots of experiences.
Can't learn on the spot game from reading.

WIA

Yes, but to make the process more efficient I would like to hear from what other people said in their unique experiences.

I might say the same thing expecting different results, and sometimes that will come true. For me, it's preferable to receive suggestions that I may have never thought of from other experienced players and then try it out.

[WestIndianArchie]

(11-04-2014 04:54 PM)britchard Wrote:  

Subconsciously telling women of your sexual intent

I'm still not sure if I understand this topic

- telepathcially? My Professor X game is non-existent

- non-verbally, through touch and body language
- indirectly through what you say and how you say it

WIA

[StrengthBySonny]

Being normal, having friends, and NETWORKING.... Life is about successful networking.

Same goes for the top notch chicks.

Most guys don't get it that cold approach should merely be a supplement to your overall dating life.

It's a "little trick" that you have in your back pocket to use in those random situations when you happen to come across a hot girl.

That's it. Being in your early 20s with no friends (expect for other PUA guys) and relying exclusively on cold approach to get girls is a recipe for disaster and loneliness.

[Libertas]

Target selection (knowing which girls to approach in the first place) hasn't been discussed much. I submitted an article to ROK to see if I can't help reverse that trend.

Subcommunication

And yes, texting. I've mentioned my problems here before. Trying to arrange dates via text is a nightmare, even when the girl you approach was highly attracted to you. Momentum gets lost so damn easily these days that the knowledge in this area really needs to be caught up to the technology.

[BagelConsultant]

Agreed about texting. The subtleties of communication get lost way too quickly.

[horn]

Inner Game.

[Pride male]

Contrast game. Heartiste wrote about it a couple of times but I havent seen it anywhere else. Being a muscular tatooed freak walking a chihuahua comes to mind. Or the articulate black man who discusses Socrates. Or the nerdy looking guy who knows jijutsu.

Using babies to get chicks. Nothing like having a drooling baby to get girls' attention. Puppies are known chick magnets as well.

[bojangles]

(11-14-2014 12:49 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

This not so much a tactic but more of a result of studying "game":

For guys like myself that have spent many years being unsuccessful with women, the process can be emotionally quite painful. I don't see too much discussion about that aspect, but the better writers on the topic do seem to be aware of the fact that in building up your "inner game", you will be forced to confront all your inadequacies as a man, whatever they may be.

I wrote one about meltdowns recently on my blog, it's inner game related

[Felix88]

Self love or how to game yourself.

[RexImperator]

(11-19-2014 07:42 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 12:49 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

This not so much a tactic but more of a result of studying "game":

For guys like myself that have spent many years being unsuccessful with women, the process can be emotionally quite painful. I don't see too much discussion about that aspect, but the better writers on the topic do seem to be aware of the fact that in building up your "inner game", you will be forced to confront all your inadequacies as a man, whatever they may be.

I wrote one about meltdowns recently on my blog, it's inner game related

Solid post, thanks.

[RexImperator]

(11-15-2014 10:19 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

There needs to be more stuff out there for guys who are really bad. Most stuff on game is good for guys who are already C students (average skills). There isn't enough out there for the D and F students. Going from an F to a C requires a different teaching style than going form a C to an A.

We could also use more stuff on fucking girls who are already "taken" and hired-gun game. By "hired guns," I mean waitresses, receptionists, nurses at the doctor's office, cashiers at the store, sales people, or any other "name-tag person" (a person whose job requires them to wear a name tag). Hired-gun game might be the toughest game of all because it's her job to be nice.

I agree with both of these. I might currently be a D student.

[WestIndianArchie]

(11-19-2014 11:55 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 10:19 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

There needs to be more stuff out there for guys who are really bad. Most stuff on game is good for guys who are already C students (average skills). There isn't enough out there for the D and F students. Going from an F to a C requires a different teaching style than going form a C to an A.

We could also use more stuff on fucking girls who are already "taken" and hired-gun game. By "hired guns," I mean waitresses, receptionists, nurses at the doctor's office, cashiers at the store, sales people, or any other "name-tag person" (a person whose job requires them to wear a name tag). Hired-gun game might be the toughest game of all because it's her job to be nice.

I agree with both of these. I might currently be a D student.

That's an interesting idea, the D & F students

*blows dust off usenet*

Originally it was alt.seduction.fast. For the most part, the people talking about meeting girls/women were okay with getting dates. How do you go from the 3 day standard to hot and heavy the same night? That was the question. (this was also pre smartphone, pre-social media)

So the assumption was that you could walk up to a chick, initiate a chat, get her number, and get her interested. The killer tech then was NLP.

As more people got into it, the 3-second rule, approach anxiety, and openers were the major topics of discussion. These weren't people who could chat up a chick and get her #.

Then the whole thing went wonky.

Openers and what came after became elaborate, and there was whole lot of push back from so-called artificial game. The trend then became "natural" game, but not gaming like "naturals" (cause guys that are naturally good at game, don't always lend themselves to reverse engineering)

Natural game lead to inner game/self development/woo-woo stuff..

At some point companies were created, seminars, boot camps, big money...

And the instructors started dealing with guys that were socially maladjusted, but could afford to drop a couple of G's on a seminar.

If the average guy was an AFC
This guy was Way Below AFC, WBAFC (stupid acronyms)

These guys need counseling or a basic course in socialization. Basically they rejected everything being taught throughout their education, like empathy, social cues, manners, hygiene, et cetera

I don't know if a game forum/community/'Sphere is the right place to address those sorts of issues - even if guys with those kind of issues end up running pick up companies (see RSD)

Is that how these D and F students are?

Most newbs face basic issues
- self worth and self confidence
- intelligence and analysis getting in the way of action
- approach anxiety
- fear of rejection
- inexperience with conversations (If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say I hate small talk...)
- inability to improvise (see inexperience)
- escalation anxiety
- emotional sensitivity (and they think women are the emotional ones)
- self awarenes

coupled with

- out-of-line expectations and impatience
- inflated self worth

But these sorts of things everyone faces in some aspect of their life at some point. If they don't, they're narcissists that always do everything perfectly, and when things don't go their way, it's not their fault.

What are the D and F students lacking?

WIA

[RexImperator]

(11-20-2014 12:22 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Quote:

I agree with both of these. I might currently be a D student.

That's an interesting idea, the D & F students

...

If the average guy was an AFC
This guy was Way Below AFC, WBAFC (stupid acronyms)

These guys need counseling or a basic course in socialization. Basically they rejected everything being taught throughout their education, like empathy, social cues, manners, hygiene, et cetera
....

I think there is a myth out there that somehow guys who just haven't had luck with women are hideous fat slobs, weird, and play video games all the time, etc.

I look quite normal, I think. Most people would not suspect how much of a problem this has been for me. When I was younger I was good-looking but shy. Now I'm not shy anymore but I'm also not so good-looking either.

Quote:

Is that how these D and F students are?

Most newbs face basic issues
- self worth and self confidence
- intelligence and analysis getting in the way of action
- approach anxiety
- fear of rejection
- inexperience with conversations (If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say I hate small talk...)
- inability to improvise (see inexperience)
- escalation anxiety
- emotional sensitivity (and they think women are the emotional ones)
- self awarenes

coupled with

- out-of-line expectations and impatience
- inflated self worth

Well, if I apply these to my own situation:

- self worth and self confidence. Sure. This has certainly affected me. And I can see how this affected my ability to recognize IOIs. Since your confidence is low, you don't see them. Or, more accurately, you see them but you don't believe them. When I stared learning about "game" I realized I had rejected a lot of girls that opened me without knowing it.
- intelligence and analysis getting in the way of action. Definitely.
- approach anxiety. Yes, though I'm getting better.
- fear of rejection. Each time it hurts a bit, if I'm actually interested. If you've been rejected by every single girl where you've ever felt attracted to and thought, "Hmm she might be nice to have as a girlfriend," it's not hard to see why this would affect #1.
- inexperience with conversations. Maybe, but I've never had a problem talking to guys since I always gave logical answers. Now, with girls I realized I don't have to talk much at all, just ask follow-up questions or prod them to continue when a thread dies down. It doesn't require much talking at all since they love to talk about themselves.
- inability to improvise (see inexperience). Sure- sometimes. My brain works really slow with this stuff and I often don't realize what I should have done until afterwards and it's too late. I can see that is why one needs to continually approach, because you learn from and improve with each failure.
- escalation anxiety. Yes, unless alcohol is involved. And I've often had an issue with being self-conscious about this in public places.
- emotional sensitivity. Sure. I've certainly let rejections affect me too much.
- self awareness. Definitely

coupled with

- out-of-line expectations and impatience. This one I don't totally understand. But I'm realizing I definitely need to change my location, because there just aren't enough girls around to approach and I obviously need to get rejected a whole lot more.
- inflated self worth. Not sure how this fits with #1?

[bojangles]

We're trying to one blog post a day, we'll try covering the topics discussed here on our blog. Our range will be from beginners to advanced.

[Vicious]

Looking at the ratio of posts between the EE and game forum I conclude that ALL areas of game are not written about enough.

[RougeNoir]

Exploiting niche girls/farming. It's unclear how to actually execute this. How is this done?

[Light Stream]

Body Language: Spoken Language is an art form that is only 20,000 years old. Humanity in its current form is about 250,000 years old. Hence, for the majority of our existence all aspects of communication occurred through Body Language. Guess what, it still does TODAY. Especially for women. Picking up and communicating in women's secret language (AKA Body Language), will do wonders for your game.

Actually at that level, its frivolous to even refer to it as "game."

Peace!
Light Stream

[Noir]

I have consumed a lot of game literature to propel me into the field and make my own realizations and create my own experiences.

What I am learning or have learned on my own that was never covered:

- Gaming girls who are taken (subtle nuances)

- Using your value as a leverage to spike attraction (understanding your value through her eyes and using this to your advantage)

- The importance of time in game, long term. The saturation point with 'python game' ala VK. I wrote a piece and did some 'graphs' in my notepad about the emotional saturation point of withdrawing attention from women long term and its effects on when re-engaging. This assumes you leave on a high point that you defined.

- Wingman game. Most literature is focused on the first person. It goes against social group dynamics and most guys are shitty wingmen as they apply this unitary approach. Either selfish or martyrs for your cause.

[General Mayhem]

The subtleties of communication.

There are so many ways of communicating a point to a woman without ever directly saying something.

Basically, how to fuck with her and get the hamster spinning in overdrive.

[Cage]

DIRECT SPMV !

[Meat Head]

Looks matter.