What I am most interested in is not words, but rather (Youtube) videos of guys doing game.
What aspect of the game is not written about enough?
More on shit tests and good responses to certain ones. I know it has been covered a lot, but there are a lot of interesting and particular questions/situations that are not covered.
Like when a girl asks if you are seeing other people or having sex with other people (sometimes framed as a health concern so you can't avoid answering honestly). When a girl asks if you miss her. When a girl puts up the "tough bitch" charade or tries to 1-up your game. When she asks you about your opinions on socially controversial shit like male vs. female promiscuity or gender roles. In general dealing with girls are are direct/blunt/lightly-confrontatonal and try to force you to be transparent.
Like when a girl asks if you are seeing other people or having sex with other people (sometimes framed as a health concern so you can't avoid answering honestly). When a girl asks if you miss her. When a girl puts up the "tough bitch" charade or tries to 1-up your game. When she asks you about your opinions on socially controversial shit like male vs. female promiscuity or gender roles. In general dealing with girls are are direct/blunt/lightly-confrontatonal and try to force you to be transparent.
How to dance. Great for kino and comfort building.
Don't debate me.
How to deal with men (orbiters) during an interaction with a girl you like
need more daygame talk in general
more long game. By that, I mean finding regular spot(not just night game, but I am talking places that have many hot young women: yoga studios, coffee shops by universities, panaderia) where you are known and liked and already have a home advantage where the other regulars there often hug you and tell you they love you(yes this happens to me now). Having a home field advantage when you are not actually at home can be huge, but it can take months to get this but when you are running game at one of your home spots, well it just gets easier to game new girls there.
on the flip side, i don't really think we talk about the importance of going outside of your comfort zone to try new things to become a more interesting dude enough on here. when the weather picks up, I will likely find some decent roller blades to try to get good at that. it looks fun.
more long game. By that, I mean finding regular spot(not just night game, but I am talking places that have many hot young women: yoga studios, coffee shops by universities, panaderia) where you are known and liked and already have a home advantage where the other regulars there often hug you and tell you they love you(yes this happens to me now). Having a home field advantage when you are not actually at home can be huge, but it can take months to get this but when you are running game at one of your home spots, well it just gets easier to game new girls there.
on the flip side, i don't really think we talk about the importance of going outside of your comfort zone to try new things to become a more interesting dude enough on here. when the weather picks up, I will likely find some decent roller blades to try to get good at that. it looks fun.
A lot of stuff on BL and vibe in this thread.
For the guys that have trouble what do you think is the best way to learn this? What would help the most...Filming interactions? Still shots of girls?
I consider myself pretty adept especially on dates. I have a 6th sense of how to escalate and go for the kill. I'm very perceptive, and girls always are amazed by how I can tell what they are thinking, but I'm just an excellent reader of the cues. I've thought of filming, but never did because of the legal gray area of filming people in public.
But as initial actions, do you guys know the basics of BL. Like off the top of your head can you answer these questions or what these cues mean:
What's the most honest part of a persons body?
She touches the back of her neck while you're talking to her.
She purses her lips.
She plays with her watch/jewerly.
Difference between a real smile and a 'polite' smile.
Facial expressions for happiness, desire, contempt, surprise, fear etc.?
If not it's time to do some research first.
I've seen guys approach girls after one of them gave them a contemptuous look. And guys never approach a girl who gave them the 'full body up and down.' Most guys are completely oblivious to all this shit.
For the guys that have trouble what do you think is the best way to learn this? What would help the most...Filming interactions? Still shots of girls?
I consider myself pretty adept especially on dates. I have a 6th sense of how to escalate and go for the kill. I'm very perceptive, and girls always are amazed by how I can tell what they are thinking, but I'm just an excellent reader of the cues. I've thought of filming, but never did because of the legal gray area of filming people in public.
But as initial actions, do you guys know the basics of BL. Like off the top of your head can you answer these questions or what these cues mean:
What's the most honest part of a persons body?
She touches the back of her neck while you're talking to her.
She purses her lips.
She plays with her watch/jewerly.
Difference between a real smile and a 'polite' smile.
Facial expressions for happiness, desire, contempt, surprise, fear etc.?
If not it's time to do some research first.
I've seen guys approach girls after one of them gave them a contemptuous look. And guys never approach a girl who gave them the 'full body up and down.' Most guys are completely oblivious to all this shit.
Write a thread about it. ![[Image: biggrin.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Quote: (11-07-2014 06:07 PM)Neo Wrote:
A lot of stuff on BL and vibe in this thread.
For the guys that have trouble what do you think is the best way to learn this? What would help the most...Filming interactions? Still shots of girls?
I consider myself pretty adept especially on dates. I have a 6th sense of how to escalate and go for the kill. I'm very perceptive, and girls always are amazed by how I can tell what they are thinking, but I'm just an excellent reader of the cues. I've thought of filming, but never did because of the legal gray area of filming people in public.
But as initial actions, do you guys know the basics of BL. Like off the top of your head can you answer these questions or what these cues mean:
What's the most honest part of a persons body?
She touches the back of her neck while you're talking to her.
She purses her lips.
She plays with her watch/jewerly.
Difference between a real smile and a 'polite' smile.
Facial expressions for happiness, desire, contempt, surprise, fear etc.?
If not it's time to do some research first.
I've seen guys approach girls after one of them gave them a contemptuous look. And guys never approach a girl who gave them the 'full body up and down.' Most guys are completely oblivious to all this shit.
I think this is a really interesting area for the sake of increasing knowledge. However, when it comes to practice, I honestly don't even attempt to read girls body language, and simply trust my instincts instead. I'm not sure about other people, but I can always sense when a girl likes me, is ready to kiss me, is horny etc. It's a natural instinct, and all I had to do was learn to trust in my senses.
One thing I find to be lacking is information on physical escalation.
It's possible that I've not looked hard enough or searched the right videos on youtube so if I'm talking nonsense please direct me.
Specifically, which parts of a woman to touch - front forearm, lower back, outer thigh etc. and in what situations to do it - sitting next to each other having drinks, standing outside smoking, walking down the street and all the rest.
Also the timing factor contained therein.
It's possible that I've not looked hard enough or searched the right videos on youtube so if I'm talking nonsense please direct me.
Specifically, which parts of a woman to touch - front forearm, lower back, outer thigh etc. and in what situations to do it - sitting next to each other having drinks, standing outside smoking, walking down the street and all the rest.
Also the timing factor contained therein.
Quote: (11-10-2014 02:27 PM)Hardy Daytona Wrote:
One thing I find to be lacking is information on physical escalation.
It's possible that I've not looked hard enough or searched the right videos on youtube so if I'm talking nonsense please direct me.
Specifically, which parts of a woman to touch - front forearm, lower back, outer thigh etc. and in what situations to do it - sitting next to each other having drinks, standing outside smoking, walking down the street and all the rest.
Also the timing factor contained therein.
Funny, Strikeback just woke me up from a game reality here
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-34438-...#pid875862
It might or might not have applied to my situation, but the idea is this: as you embrace game and become a better man, your game needs to change and evolved with you. Some ideas while instrumental when you were a noob might not be NEARLY AS necessary now that know what you are doing.
In this case kino is a good example. Nice guy/beta needs kino because they are asexual. The Rock with kino would be overkill. Not saying kino is at any time out of game, but the amount/intensity change as your game develops.
If you need more kinoing, forum has beaten this to death.
On this very thought, I certainly would like to see more experienced players here talk about things they no longer do or change as their game progress. Maybe something that you use to put on top of the game memorandum, that has now gone down to 5-6th rank?
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Quote: (11-07-2014 03:24 AM)PastTense Wrote:
What I am most interested in is not words, but rather (Youtube) videos of guys doing game.
https://www.youtube.com/user/SquattinCassanova/videos
I would like to see more trips reports that were not successful experiences picking up women. Most are reluctant to post these experiences.
Also, more trip reports from 40 plus men are needed
Also, more trip reports from 40 plus men are needed
I'll probably get flamed for this, but there's something to be said for the compatibility/incompatibility amongst astrological signs. Not the horoscope hocus-pocus crap, but the base behavioural traits likely to be exhibited. Anytime I see it mentioned here, it's derided and thought of as a women's (irrational) interest, so obviously it's not written about much from a game perspective because little stock is put into it.
I'm not saying it's the be all and end all, but in my experience those particular signs that are most compatible with mine have enabled the most success (and vibed incredibly well with) in the short, medium and long term rather than those who are less compatible - which may start out well, but have deteriorated quickly.
I'm at a point now where I'm confident in guessing a chicks type of sign (air, fire, earth, water), and recently I guessed an exact sign correctly, based on a couple of hours of interaction. She happened to be one of my most compatible, Capricorn.
I'm not saying it's the be all and end all, but in my experience those particular signs that are most compatible with mine have enabled the most success (and vibed incredibly well with) in the short, medium and long term rather than those who are less compatible - which may start out well, but have deteriorated quickly.
I'm at a point now where I'm confident in guessing a chicks type of sign (air, fire, earth, water), and recently I guessed an exact sign correctly, based on a couple of hours of interaction. She happened to be one of my most compatible, Capricorn.
Outside of a few Rational Male and Chateau Heartiste articles, the way game changes by age group of women and other demographic variables has not been well deciphered. There are subtle differences in the way a 21 year old sorority sister responds to a DHV in comparison to a 29 year old businesswoman. Or the way a community college dropout hoodrat waitress responds to Kino escalation vs a geeky, introverted graduate student.
Quote: (11-10-2014 11:00 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:
Outside of a few Rational Male and Chateau Heartiste articles, the way game changes by age group of women and other demographic variables has not been well deciphered. There are subtle differences in the way a 21 year old sorority sister responds to a DHV in comparison to a 29 year old businesswoman. Or the way a community college dropout hoodrat waitress responds to Kino escalation vs a geeky, introverted graduate student.
Sounds intriguing. You should write it up.
WIA
Quote: (11-10-2014 11:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:
Quote: (11-10-2014 11:00 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:
Outside of a few Rational Male and Chateau Heartiste articles, the way game changes by age group of women and other demographic variables has not been well deciphered. There are subtle differences in the way a 21 year old sorority sister responds to a DHV in comparison to a 29 year old businesswoman. Or the way a community college dropout hoodrat waitress responds to Kino escalation vs a geeky, introverted graduate student.
Sounds intriguing. You should write it up.
WIA
I need to get a publisher.
Some body language stuff:
You've probably seen those research articles saying something like, "It takes 100 milliseconds to rate a person's attractiveness."
I used to play a ton of Poker and was taught that as a fresh round of cards is being dealt look at other players and check out their expression as they're picking up their cards. It didn't work too well for me, but I found that one of the best indicators, but also one of the rarest and hardest to get into the habit of looking for, is to see if a women's pupils dilate / light up when she first sees you.
This has limited scenarios where it's applicable, but, if it happens, you just have to run 'don't fuck up' game.
More importantly, for those without the best social instincts, it's good to cultivate a habit of playing observation games. Eyes are a decent place to start.
You've probably seen those research articles saying something like, "It takes 100 milliseconds to rate a person's attractiveness."
I used to play a ton of Poker and was taught that as a fresh round of cards is being dealt look at other players and check out their expression as they're picking up their cards. It didn't work too well for me, but I found that one of the best indicators, but also one of the rarest and hardest to get into the habit of looking for, is to see if a women's pupils dilate / light up when she first sees you.
This has limited scenarios where it's applicable, but, if it happens, you just have to run 'don't fuck up' game.
More importantly, for those without the best social instincts, it's good to cultivate a habit of playing observation games. Eyes are a decent place to start.
The menstrual cycle and how it ties in with game. Menopause too.
Neuro linguistic programming and hypnosis. The jury is still out on this.
Separating what really works from the bullshit. Someone needs to call out the hucksters. Too many snake oils men out there. Looking at you RSD.
Neuro linguistic programming and hypnosis. The jury is still out on this.
Separating what really works from the bullshit. Someone needs to call out the hucksters. Too many snake oils men out there. Looking at you RSD.
Don't debate me.
Quote: (11-11-2014 04:09 AM)Pride male Wrote:
The menstrual cycle and how it ties in with game. Menopause too.
Neuro linguistic programming and hypnosis. The jury is still out on this.
Separating what really works from the bullshit. Someone needs to call out the hucksters. Too many snake oils men out there. Looking at you RSD.
Rollo Tomassi did an article on menstruation cycles: http://therationalmale.com/2012/09/25/yo...struation/
Texting is probably where my game is weakest too. I just don't feel congruent going into kid type text speak "wat up wit u lol" type things as a mid-30s professional. Maybe I'll check out Krauser's book.
Would you guys be interested in a write up on threesomes? I don't think that's really been covered a lot and dare I pat myself on the back and say I've gotten a decent handle on it.
Would you guys be interested in a write up on threesomes? I don't think that's really been covered a lot and dare I pat myself on the back and say I've gotten a decent handle on it.
Quote: (11-11-2014 04:28 PM)slubu Wrote:
Texting is probably where my game is weakest too. I just don't feel congruent going into kid type text speak "wat up wit u lol" type things as a mid-30s professional. Maybe I'll check out Krauser's book.
Would you guys be interested in a write up on threesomes? I don't think that's really been covered a lot and dare I pat myself on the back and say I've gotten a decent handle on it.
I'm interested.
Menage seems to be a hard thing to cover without delving into swinging/polyamory and other "hacks".
WIA
^^ Ok I'll write it up. Mine doesn't involve hacks or the swinging parties. I'll either post it here or do an ROK article on it soon.
This not so much a tactic but more of a result of studying "game":
For guys like myself that have spent many years being unsuccessful with women, the process can be emotionally quite painful. I don't see too much discussion about that aspect, but the better writers on the topic do seem to be aware of the fact that in building up your "inner game", you will be forced to confront all your inadequacies as a man, whatever they may be.
For guys like myself that have spent many years being unsuccessful with women, the process can be emotionally quite painful. I don't see too much discussion about that aspect, but the better writers on the topic do seem to be aware of the fact that in building up your "inner game", you will be forced to confront all your inadequacies as a man, whatever they may be.
If only you knew how bad things really are.
Contrarian -- game is written about too much. We are flooded with survivorship bias, second hand reports, speculation, masked bragging, and stories which are totally out of context. At best the reader picks up good ideas and tries them out, at worst the reader is sent in the wrong direction for years. Someone with a lot of experience can pick out the bullshit quickly, entry level, and those with modest experience can not.
Video is no substitution, even a two hour documentary is tightly edited clips excluding huge chunks of what actually happened ~ and what happened behind the camera, you never know.
Find people who are really good and observe them first hand, over as long of periods as possible. Your brain and a great deal of effort both required.
Video is no substitution, even a two hour documentary is tightly edited clips excluding huge chunks of what actually happened ~ and what happened behind the camera, you never know.
Find people who are really good and observe them first hand, over as long of periods as possible. Your brain and a great deal of effort both required.
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