[BortimusPrime]

(10-19-2014 08:03 AM)Krusyos Wrote:  

(10-18-2014 10:01 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

I first noticed this in the Czech Republic when talking about the gypsies, but for some reason it's really hot when a pretty girl is spouting off racist rhetoric. Guess it's the novelty when compared to American girls with their boilerplate SJW blathering.

Well, that's because the gypsies genuinely are some of the biggest assholes the world has ever seen. They think they are above the law.

I think it was just a bit of culture shock really. Czechs don't have the same hangups about racism that Americans do, so when a girl's going on about gypsies it seems like she's going against typical female groupthink speech.

[TravelerKai]

(10-18-2014 11:06 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

Hitler took his ideology too far. These people are celebrating a strong leader that rejects multiculturalism and focuses more on national unity through a strong family and gainful employment towards a larger goal (whatever it may be).

Although, I do find this hilarious. Neo-nazi jews and slavs. Oy vay guys, read Mein Kempf. Hitler had some good ideas, but pushed too far on certain things that were unnecessary alienating more moderate individuals.

Hitler would have won had he not been as overzealous. He was in seen as the third option in a choice between communists and the prevailing aristocracy.

Hitler would have won if he had fucking listened to his generals. That and not attack the Russians when he did.. That and not divert his panzer division in the south before attacking stalingrad. The North African campaign was poorly done because he would not listen to his talented generals. I could go on and on.

Notice a pattern there? Hitler's biggest problem was his own sheer arrogance. That's what kept him from winning the war. Thank God for that otherwise everyone in Europe would be speaking German right now.

[Chaos]

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Thank God for that otherwise everyone in Europe would be speaking German right now.

Kai, I get you point, but think about that sentence again.

What's wrong with that everyone could speak German?

After WW2 people in Eastern Europe people had to learn Russian.
Today most people older than 40 have some Russian skills.


Nobody know what would have happened if Germany had won the war but I can't imagine everything would be so total Germanized as people often picture.

There were a growing displeasure with Hitler and he would probably not had stayed in power forever and somebody with other views would have taken over.

As a history freak, I would be very curious to see how everything would have went down with a German victory.

Those are things we could discuss in all eternity.

[JWLZG]

(10-20-2014 01:27 AM)Chaos Wrote:  

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Thank God for that otherwise everyone in Europe would be speaking German right now.

Kai, I get you point, but think about that sentence again.

What's wrong with that everyone could speak German?

After WW2 people in Eastern Europe people had to learn Russian.
Today most people older than 40 have some Russian skills.


Nobody know what would have happened if Germany had won the war but I can't imagine everything would be so total Germanized as people often picture.

There were a growing displeasure with Hitler and he would probably not had stayed in power forever and somebody with other views would have taken over.

As a history freak, I would be very curious to see how everything would have went down with a German victory.

Those are things we could discuss in all eternity.

Chaos, the point was that this would've meant domination by a régime that believed in a racial ideology that saw peoples from the Eastern world as racially inferior -- in a European context, Slavs were at the bottom of the totem pole. Operation Barbarossa wasn't just about Communism; the idea of Lebensraum was a huge motivation behind it.
That's what made the whole Eastern Front so much more savage than the North African or ETO campaigns. The Commissar Order, the treatment of POWs, the much harsher reprisals against partisans and sheltering Jews were instruments of war far more amplified than in the West.

In spite of the fact that the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS recruited from practically every occupied and Axis nation, including entire divisions of Russians, Ukrainians and Croatians, don't think that it was any indicator of racial acceptance. Their time would've been up once they'd served their purpose.

Regardless of how unsavoury the Soviet bloc was, at least their rule wasn't based on racism.

Still, it must've sucked to have been Eastern European from 1939-1990.

[Deluge]

(10-20-2014 06:55 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:27 AM)Chaos Wrote:  

^

Quote:

Thank God for that otherwise everyone in Europe would be speaking German right now.

Kai, I get you point, but think about that sentence again.

What's wrong with that everyone could speak German?

After WW2 people in Eastern Europe people had to learn Russian.
Today most people older than 40 have some Russian skills.


Nobody know what would have happened if Germany had won the war but I can't imagine everything would be so total Germanized as people often picture.

There were a growing displeasure with Hitler and he would probably not had stayed in power forever and somebody with other views would have taken over.

As a history freak, I would be very curious to see how everything would have went down with a German victory.

Those are things we could discuss in all eternity.

Chaos, the point was that this would've meant domination by a régime that believed in a racial ideology that saw peoples from the Eastern world as racially inferior -- in a European context, Slavs were at the bottom of the totem pole. Operation Barbarossa wasn't just about Communism; the idea of Lebensraum was a huge motivation behind it.
That's what made the whole Eastern Front so much more savage than the North African or ETO campaigns. The Commissar Order, the treatment of POWs, the much harsher reprisals against partisans and sheltering Jews were instruments of war far more amplified than in the West.

In spite of the fact that the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS recruited from practically every occupied and Axis nation, including entire divisions of Russians, Ukrainians and Croatians, don't think that it was any indicator of racial acceptance. Their time would've been up once they'd served their purpose.

Regardless of how unsavoury the Soviet bloc was, at least their rule wasn't based on racism.

Still, it must've sucked to have been Eastern European from 1939-1990.

People tend to forget what the Nazi's plans for the Slavs were after they won the war... At the very least the population of Poland would have been used as slave labour, deported to Siberia and/or exterminated to make room for German colonization of Eastern Europe.

Also you wouldn't want to have been a Jew in the USSR, just saying.

[TravelerKai]

The other two posters pretty much covered it. The UK would have been gone if Hitler had any decent amount of common sense. German language skills would mean nothing if entire groups were exterminated out. At the rate they were going in, there would have been more land than there was German speaking people. Every time Germany took an area, they rounded people up. Not all were Jews either. The treatment they gave Russian POWs was so bad the Russians executed them when it was their turn.

If the Japanese were not as greedy as they were Japanese language skills would be a must right now for business in the east, and there would still be people left from the previous countries. Less but still enough. They would have just kept most of SEA and the Korean. East China, like Shanghai as well. They did not have enough manpower to take and hold India. It's possible if they had taken a break instead of attacking the US, they could have taken all of Asia completely.

[YossariansRight]

(10-19-2014 08:47 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(10-18-2014 11:06 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

Hitler took his ideology too far. These people are celebrating a strong leader that rejects multiculturalism and focuses more on national unity through a strong family and gainful employment towards a larger goal (whatever it may be).

Although, I do find this hilarious. Neo-nazi jews and slavs. Oy vay guys, read Mein Kempf. Hitler had some good ideas, but pushed too far on certain things that were unnecessary alienating more moderate individuals.

Hitler would have won had he not been as overzealous. He was in seen as the third option in a choice between communists and the prevailing aristocracy.

Hitler would have won if he had fucking listened to his generals. That and not attack the Russians when he did.. That and not divert his panzer division in the south before attacking stalingrad. The North African campaign was poorly done because he would not listen to his talented generals. I could go on and on.

Notice a pattern there? Hitler's biggest problem was his own sheer arrogance. That's what kept him from winning the war. Thank God for that otherwise everyone in Europe would be speaking German right now.

That's why the Allies never made a serious attempt at assassinating Hilter; keeping him in power was the surest way Germany would lose. And they were right.

[lskdfjldsf]

Japan sought to eliminate subjugated cultures entirely, while preserving the population for economic potential. Students in Korea and Vietnam, for example, were forced to adopt Japanese names and only speak Japanese. Had they won the war, it would have likely been the English language of Asia.

It's interesting researching the post-WW2 mentality in Japan in contrast with Germany. Japan became far more restricted from a legal perspective (greater limitations on the military and foreign policy) yet less restricted in terms of propaganda and history/education (the Japanese viewpoint is largely defensive and justifies many of their actions) while both East/West Germany were more militarized than during WW2 itself. Propaganda and what could probably be considered brainwashing helped to keep the country's foreign policy and economic ambitions in alignment with UK/US goals.

[TigerMandingo]

^ Yea, I feel like Japan gets a pass on racism (and Asian culture in general) but Russia and other Euro countries are always singled out.

[Paracelsus]

Would bang. I have Polish ancestry: it's about time a few Nazis got fucked by the Poles.

[Chaos]

Great points and great discussions guys.
Gotta keep this going.

I see where you are standing.

Let's say that Germany would have won the war.
What independent countries in Europe would have existed after that?

Germany of course, Finland were promised a large chunk of Russia.
Sweden? Spain? What do you think?

And what do you think about Hitlers death?
Are you buying the official explanation or not?

Great points about. Japan aswell and couldn't agree more of what have already been said about it.

When I was in Japan two years ago and chatting to a girl in Tokyo I was suprised of her words of use.

She referred to "one of our former colonies" when she talked about Korea and Philippines.

[Akula]

^^ interesting questions. It's almost like someone needs to do a "what if" movie on Nazi Germany and what would have happened if they won or at least didn't invade Russia and the fighting ended with a truce but with Germany in control of vast swaths of Europe and even North Africa. Sort of like how "Watchmen" explored the idea of the US winning the Vietnam war and Nixon serving extra terms in office.

Let me think about this one for a bit....

[YossariansRight]

(10-20-2014 12:13 PM)Akula Wrote:  

^^ interesting questions. It's almost like someone needs to do a "what if" movie on Nazi Germany and what would have happened if they won or at least didn't invade Russia and the fighting ended with a truce but with Germany in control of vast swaths of Europe and even North Africa. Sort of like how "Watchmen" explored the idea of the US winning the Vietnam war and Nixon serving extra terms in office.

Let me think about this one for a bit....

Already been done. Decent flick:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109779/?ref...lmg_act_94

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109779/plot..._=tt_ov_pl

[MidWest]

You're saying that there are a bunch of Russian and Ukranian models trying to win Miss Hitler, but didn't Hitler hate Russians and Ukranians? Didn't Hitler invade Russia during World War II? Hitler thought the Slavic people were inferior to the "Aryan" race. Hitler would have never accept Russians as equals to him. Pure ignorance.

Some of these Russian neo-nazis should really brush up on their history.

[Wutang]

(10-20-2014 08:49 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

Japan sought to eliminate subjugated cultures entirely, while preserving the population for economic potential. Students in Korea and Vietnam, for example, were forced to adopt Japanese names and only speak Japanese. Had they won the war, it would have likely been the English language of Asia.

Yep. I'm Taiwanese myself and my grandfather lived through a bit of the Japanese colonial period. Apparently he can speak Japanese but he refuses to do so to this day.

Funny thing is that despite being colonized by Japan, Taiwan tends to view Japan a lot more favorably then they do mainland China despite the mainlanders being the exact same type of people...hell my father even doesn't like it when someone calls him Chinese and prefers to be called Taiwanese instead. Taiwanese people are the biggest weeaboos in the world and unlike the ones in the West it isn't just geeks and nerds that are interested in Japanese pop culture, it's people from all different walks of life. In fact I would say Taiwan seems to be one country in Asia that actually views Japan favorably. China and both Koreas still harbor resentment towards Japan to this day especially.

I remember a few years ago I was watching this Youtube video of a Japanese TV show where the hosts went to visit a home in Taiwan where the residents not only spoke Japanese but still paid honor to the Japanese emperor. The home resembled a traditional Japanese home with the sliding doors and the straw mat floors - surreal to the max.

[TonySandos]

(10-18-2014 08:10 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

I think the Naziphilia you see nowadays is merely a celebration of whiteness, not necessarily Germans and/or Aryans.

Even if so, it's just as immature and vile as the black nationalists that gleem about "drinking white tears" and claim every historical advancement as a victory and invention of their race. It takes people of lower IQ brackets to find this acceptable to participate in.

[tattiemasher]

(10-20-2014 12:13 PM)Akula Wrote:  

^^ interesting questions. It's almost like someone needs to do a "what if" movie on Nazi Germany and what would have happened if they won or at least didn't invade Russia and the fighting ended with a truce but with Germany in control of vast swaths of Europe and even North Africa. Sort of like how "Watchmen" explored the idea of the US winning the Vietnam war and Nixon serving extra terms in office.

Let me think about this one for a bit....

There's a ton of books that come under that alternative history genre. 'The Man in the High Castle' is quite a famous example by Philip K. Dick, and Amazon are currently shooting a pilot for a mini-series of it.

[TravelerKai]

(10-20-2014 08:46 AM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:47 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(10-18-2014 11:06 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

Hitler took his ideology too far. These people are celebrating a strong leader that rejects multiculturalism and focuses more on national unity through a strong family and gainful employment towards a larger goal (whatever it may be).

Although, I do find this hilarious. Neo-nazi jews and slavs. Oy vay guys, read Mein Kempf. Hitler had some good ideas, but pushed too far on certain things that were unnecessary alienating more moderate individuals.

Hitler would have won had he not been as overzealous. He was in seen as the third option in a choice between communists and the prevailing aristocracy.

Hitler would have won if he had fucking listened to his generals. That and not attack the Russians when he did.. That and not divert his panzer division in the south before attacking stalingrad. The North African campaign was poorly done because he would not listen to his talented generals. I could go on and on.

Notice a pattern there? Hitler's biggest problem was his own sheer arrogance. That's what kept him from winning the war. Thank God for that otherwise everyone in Europe would be speaking German right now.

That's why the Allies never made a serious attempt at assassinating Hilter; keeping him in power was the surest way Germany would lose. And they were right.

That's funny but seriously could they have done that if they wanted to? If the generals pulled a coup they would have been fucked.

[Krusyos]

Another great conundrum of the Social Justice Warrior. Who was worse? The Racist Nazis or the Rapist Soviets?

I think many of you are "drinking the kool-aid" so to speak on the whole Nazi issue. The Nazis weren't some super villains who wanted to crush the world. In fact, they even offered the Western Allies a peace treaty (see Rudolf Hess's one-man mission to Britain). Nazi ideology was based around a burning hatred of Communism, which then led to a burning hatred of Jews (seeing as the founders and great leaders of communism were for the most part, Jewish). I don't know where you get the idea that the poor Jews were persecuted in Soviet Russia... antisemitism was a crime punishable by death in the USSR. If any Jews were persecuted, it was for the practice of their religion rather than their race, just like Christians were persecuted. Anyway, I've gotten off on a tangent.

The condition of the peace treaty was that Germany would be allowed to continue its invasion of Soviet Russia. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me... both the Soviets and Nazis getting devastated by war while the rest of us just sit back and munch on popcorn. But, this offer was rejected. Germany never wanted a war with Britain or the West. Read the writings of the Nazis instead of the history channel if you want to know what their actual goals were. War between a fledgling powerhouse like Germany and the ever-growing expansion of the Soviet empire was inevitable. It's ludicrous to assert that Germany decided to wage war on the whole world because they wanted to perpetuate the Ancient Nazi Germanic Death cult and spread the religion of the Aryan race or whatever conspiracy theories children are taught nowadays. Wars start for one simple reason: resources. Ideology is the excuse, not the cause. Never has been, never will be.

Considering my own Polish relatives like to go on about how the Nazis treated them better than the Soviets, I would also like to see all this supposed evidence of Nazis enslaving the Slavs? They say the Nazi soldiers acted like gentlemen while the Soviet soldiers were cruel pigs.

[tiggaling]

Interesting 6 hour documentary about Hitler, many of the things not well known in the west about the nazis and the nature of western propaganda.

[lskdfjldsf]

"This video is not available in your country."

Hah.

I'm nervous even googling it here. Any other links?

[Sonsowey]

Completely unrelated, in Colombia I saw a department store with an image of a baby dressed as hitler, with the swastika and everything.

There was no text accompanying it or any context. Was it a Halloween costume? I am not sure...

Latinos refer to Nazis negatively but I guess Colombia didn't have much of a dog in the fight, so it's easier to treat a Hitler costume as something equivalent to an axe-murderer costume, maybe? Like, "of course my kid isn't an axe-murderer, it's just Halloween."

[tiggaling]

http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv

[Krusyos]

(10-21-2014 11:16 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

"This video is not available in your country."

Hah.

I'm nervous even googling it here. Any other links?

It's basically a documentary giving Hitler a fair look, rather than all the mindless Nazi-bashing we get 24/7 nowadays in the media and education.

EDIT: Oh, wait... you're in Germany? Sorry dude but I think you'll be safer not watching it... They jail people for the smallest hint of dissidence from the Mainstream Narrative (like Ernst Zundel)

[Cr33pin]

Sorry, Aryans: The "Miss Hitler 2014" contest has been canceled

Just two days after Vocativ posted a story on a pro-Nazi VKontakte group’s Miss Hitler pageant, the page hosting the competition has been taken down because of its “calls for violent actions,” according to the Russian social media site. VKontakte’s head of public relations, George Lobushkin, backed up this claim in an email to Vocativ Monday.