[DanDeLaCruz]

Found an article that confirmed my suspicions:

http://culture.polishsite.us/articles/art367fr.htm

Quoted from the article:

"The next big wave of immigration took place in years 1980-1990 when about 100 thousands people was leaving Poland every year. This immigration was mainly economical (so called "emigracja dorobkowa"), although some Solidarity activists have to leave after martial law was enforced. Majority of people who left were young and good educated people who did not foresee political or economical change. Majority of people left to Germany, Austria, or through the temporary camps in Italy to Canada, Australia or the USA.

Some sociologists predict that another immigration wave started with the day when Poland joined the EU on May 1st 2004. Some EU countries allowed the new EU members to apply for a job with the day they joined EU. Among these countries is Great Britain, Ireland and Sweden. But this emigration has more temporary character and it is related to the prospects of Poles to find a legal and a good paid job abroad."

[Roosh]

(04-11-2011 07:05 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Time to re-post this info in a new Poland thread should anyone care to start one?

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4184.html

[K-man]

(04-11-2011 03:59 AM)Agent_GQ Wrote:  

Good choice with Poland. I'm looking to go to Poland and Ukraine for EURO 2012 (international soccer tournament/huge European party) next summer.

What a huge sausage fest that would be. Soccer fans from all over Europe, unite!
I am sure most girls within a 50 mile radius would stay home on game nights to avoid the drunk assholes. Especially if the UK is playing.

[beebopaloo]

(04-08-2011 02:58 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Athlone completely destroyed it. That's like a blog post right there.

beebop you lost me here as well: "The point that I disagree on is that pulling Danish chicks is any different from girls in other parts of the world."

The proof you are incorrect is the existence of THIS VERY FORUM.

One thing I've noticed is that Danish people are hypersensitive to foreigners criticizing their culture, much more than other cultures (even Americans). For example I've had Danish people self-criticize themselves, then I pile on with a critical observation about the culture as well, and then am attacked as being "wrong," implying that I'm arrogant and narrow to even generalize about Danes (even though they are the easiest to generalize because of their conformist and egalitarian culture where individual variation is slight). I have a feeling that at least unconsciously you don't like remarks that are critical of Denmark, since your attacks on me and Athlone didn't even have specific arguments.

Anyway, I'm glad we can have a civil discussion about this.

"The proof you are incorrect is the existence of THIS VERY FORUM. "

well, there are forums about ufo abductions, 9/11 conspiracies and so on... Doesn't really prove a whole lot.

Of course things are different regarding pick up in a country like Morocco or Iraq, but Denmark and the States are like close cousins. I am sure your time here has proven that as well. At least I know Danes who have gotten laid in the states doing their usual stuff.

I don't have anything against critical remarks about Denmark, but when it comes to a comment Athlone posted like "game does not work in Denmark, you have to be a beta dude' I have to, for the sake of truth, stand up and speak out.

I could, replicate your forum-argument, and state that there in fact IS a Danish forum about pick up and it's a lot bigger than this one. Or I could just appeal to common sense. Or I could point to the fact that virtually all pick up material is American and that the theories presented by guys like Strauss and RSD is what people read here as well. I have seen specific guides marketed as 'dating in South Korea', but here it'd just seem irrelevant.

Usually you write posts about not giving up, and how it's harder to get laid abroad, so I think you shoud just give it a go. Heck, you might even learn a couple of new tricks in the process.

[Lumiere]

(04-11-2011 12:39 PM)K-man Wrote:  

I am sure most girls within a 50 mile radius would stay home on game nights to avoid the drunk assholes. Especially if the UK is playing.

UK has a football team?

[Roosh]

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Usually you write posts about not giving up, and how it's harder to get laid abroad, so I think you shoud just give it a go.

My total time in Copenhagen will be 2 months. How many foreign guys do you know that stayed that long without being in school or having a job? Probably 0. Wherever I'm at, no matter how shitty like Denmark, I make the most of it. This weekend I was still out in the trenches.

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Denmark and the States are like close cousins

I agree with that, but your earlier tone made it seem like there were practically differences at all. I feel like you've backed down from those sentiments. Besides, 1st cousins only have 6.25% genetic similarity.

[beebopaloo]

(04-11-2011 12:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

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Usually you write posts about not giving up, and how it's harder to get laid abroad, so I think you shoud just give it a go.

My total time in Copenhagen will be 2 months. How many foreign guys do you know that stayed that long without being in school or having a job? Probably 0. Wherever I'm at, no matter how shitty like Denmark, I make the most of it. This weekend I was still out in the trenches.
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Denmark and the States are like close cousins

I agree with that, but your earlier tone made it seem like there were practically differences at all. I feel like you've backed down from those sentiments. Besides, 1st cousins only have 6.25% genetic similarity.

Good work ethic. Now you're effort will be rewarded with spring time, short skirts and people hanging out on every corner.

regarding the difference: I am sure if you gave a version of Bang! to a Dane you met on the street, he'd still be able to use the advice here.

Danish girls don't think much differently from guys, we agree on that, but there still is a good amount of 'on the outside attractive' girls in this country. Your dislike of them is probably caused by your specific tastes.

When you've been to Germany, England and France, we can discuss it again.

[Excelsior]

(04-11-2011 12:45 PM)beebopaloo Wrote:  

I don't have anything against critical remarks about Denmark, but when it comes to a comment Athlone posted like "game does not work in Denmark, you have to be a beta dude' I have to, for the sake of truth, stand up and speak out.

Let us not stoop to oversimplification and misrepresentation in order to make our points. Any objective reading of my statements will invalidate your characterization here. You are putting words in my mouth, and I do not appreciate it.

As for your "truth", "game" is complex, as are most concepts associated with human sociology/mating. Some of these many concepts/styles will differ from your own interpretations, and may in fact stand in stark contrast to them (example: aggressive vs. passive, introversion vs. extroversion). This does not mean that they are not to be referred to as "game". Given the nature of human diversity and the variance of our individual needs, it cannot be assumed that every male who embraces game will do so in a way similar to your own.

Your perspective is not the be all and end all of what is "game", and you therefore cannot proclaim to speak "for the sake of truth" in opposing my own. To do so can be considered ignorant at best, and arrogantly disingenuous at worst.

[beebopaloo]

(04-11-2011 01:34 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(04-11-2011 12:45 PM)beebopaloo Wrote:  

I don't have anything against critical remarks about Denmark, but when it comes to a comment Athlone posted like "game does not work in Denmark, you have to be a beta dude' I have to, for the sake of truth, stand up and speak out.

Let us not stoop to oversimplification and misrepresentation in order to make our points. Any objective reading of my statements will invalidate your characterization here. You are putting words in my mouth, and I do not appreciate it.

As for your "truth", "game" is complex, as are most concepts associated with human sociology/mating. Some of these many concepts/styles will differ from your own interpretations, and may in fact stand in stark contrast to them (example: aggressive vs. passive, introversion vs. extroversion). This does not mean that they are not to be referred to as "game". Given the nature of human diversity and the variance of our individual needs, it cannot be assumed that every male who embraces game will do so in a way similar to your own.

Your perspective is not the be all and end all of what is "game", and you therefore cannot proclaim to speak "for the sake of truth" in opposing my own. To do so can be considered ignorant at best, and arrogantly disingenuous at worst.

well you wrote this:

"Your success with women in the Scandinavian/Nordic region is not based on your "game skill". Women there "genuinely like nice guys", and those types of men are not known for their advanced game."

I can't see how I am putting words in your mouth.

Unless you are gonna refer to some hypermodern sociologist, who will deconstruct the meaning of language completely.

[Excelsior]

(04-11-2011 01:40 PM)beebopaloo Wrote:  

well you wrote this:

"Your success with women in the Scandinavian/Nordic region is not based on your "game skill". Women there "genuinely like nice guys", and those types of men are not known for their advanced game."

I can't see how I am putting words in your mouth.

Unless you are gonna refer to some hypermodern sociologist, who will deconstruct the meaning of language completely.

Hardly.

"Game skill" is in quotes because I was referring to the mainstream perception of game, which tends to have a more extroverted focus. This is the same generalized perception I accuse you of sticking to in my previous post.

The nice guys that I state are "genuinely liked" by the women in this region do not all live within this narrow perception of "game skill", hence my statement. This does not mean that they lack game(as I stated in my previous post) as the concept of "game" is quite varied, though the skill they have may in fact be of a variety not commonly focused on within the community. Most people are not familiar with this, which is why "game skill" was emphasized and quoted to mark a differentiation.

To conclude and simplify, what I really said(or intended to convey) is this:

Mainstream forms of game that emphasize more extroversion and aggression(the types usually cited when talking about "game skill") are less effective in Denmark. Less conventional styles, often employed by men we consider "genuine nice guys" and not often referred to as being indicative of "game skill" are essential for long term success.

You are right in stating that you are not putting words in my mouth. Your misinterpretation is due to my lack of clarity on this point, which I apologize for.

[beebopaloo]

alright, I am glad we solved this.

Now as an expert of gaming in DK, I can tell you what works. (you decide if you wanna call it game or "game")
What works very well is: spin a girl around, and shove her onto the dance floor. Go for the make-out before the two-minute mark.

What doesn't work: talk to the girl for an hour. Afterward politely asking if you may kiss her or invite her out.

[Excelsior]

(04-11-2011 02:01 PM)beebopaloo Wrote:  

alright, I am glad we solved this.

Now as an expert of gaming in DK, I can tell you what works. (you decide if you wanna call it game or "game")
What works very well is: spin a girl around, and shove her onto the dance floor. Go for the make-out before the two-minute mark.

What doesn't work: talk to the girl for an hour. Afterward politely asking if you may kiss her or invite her out.

Your description of what works can fit quite well into my description of the less mainstream conception of game. Most American greater betas wouldn't have much trouble adjusting and eventually pulling that off, especially in a society like Denmark where women indicate interest much more clearly and aggressively than they're used to seeing back home.

That strategy can be integrated into a less extroverted, less "mainstream" model.

[Mystik]

(04-08-2011 03:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Four more weeks. I made the mistake of getting into a 2 month lease before understanding how things really were. I had a friend here, I was riding high from good times in Iceland, and figured that Denmark would be similar. I was very wrong. Lesson learned... don't commit until doing the proper research. Never assume!

Oh man! I can feel your pain. I did the exact same thing. Went to Iceland and then on the way back stopped over at Copenhagen. If I had to spend more than a week in that city then I would found the tallest building to jump off and shot myself on the way down just to make sure that I wouldn't wake up.

Copenhagen is the most deceptive city when it comes to getting laid. You have all these articles written by homos from AskMen which lead you to believe that CPH will be full of hot women.

Then, you hear stories about Scandinavian women (especially Swedish) which imply that Scandi women are DTF and promiscuous. You say to yourself, "Denmark is not that far from Sweden, in fact its practically the same country."

You land at the airport and see all these banners about the erotica museum in CPH and you are convinced. This is going to be the best city ever until you make your first approach or try to feel the vibe of the city. As Guru said "we must meet our moment of truth."

I was thinking of giving Denmark another chance but after this thread its off my list forever. I won't even use it as a transit point to go to Iceland. I would rather go to Norway or Sweden.

[Hooligan Harry]

(04-10-2011 03:23 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

All I know about Polish women is what the internet has taught me. They have big tits.

I approve of this choice.

Also Im curious if the white skin, black hair, and blue eyes features are as common over there as Ive been lead to believe.

Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania too, although its common even in Latvia and the Ukraine. All over the EE really, a lot more common.

Im also a sucker for that. Brunettes with blue eyes make my loins sing

[Invictus]

I am a 24 year-old Danish-American living in DK. I have lived here for 16 years. I speak both languages like a native (better than most natives) - my game is OK, I have had some hot girlfriends, and I am decent looking, so here is my perspective. I think Beebaloop is right. It's not gospel truth, but here's my two cents.

1) Denmark is expensive. You want to meet a shit-load of normal girls go to the student parties

• CBS Nexus on Thursdays
• The Friday Panum Bar at the Medical Faculty
• Any other college bar at a faculty with a lot of girls - pharmaceutists, vets, etc.
  

I´ve literally been everywhere in CPH. The above has lots of young girls, but you might be too old in order to fit in. These parties people, especially guys, get DRUNK. But it's not necessary - I reckon you're success will be better without acting like all the other tools.

Bar-wise, Roosh, have you been to Zefside? I worked with the bartenders there and the owner. He is a super-alpha with ridiculous success. He drinks himself stupid and fucks girls in the bathroom and takes a different one home the same night. I've heard they've been having an amazing season so far this year.

Tell us where you've been. I reckon Beebaloop and I can tell you where you should go in CPH next. I'm not convinced CPH is this bad for travelers.

[Roosh]

A 31 y/o guy going to a college bar alone?

A bartender owner fucking a lot of girls is evidence that Copenhagen is not bad for the lone traveler?

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I'm not convinced CPH is this bad for travelers.

Honestly I rather be in Bolivia (the eastern part). It sucks huge balls here. My hate for Denmark is becoming deep and visceral. I'm at the stage where I approach Danish girls mostly to insult them, not to get laid, and I enjoy it more.

I'll try Zefside though. Thanks for the recommendation.

[Luckystar]

(04-17-2011 11:22 AM)Invictus Wrote:  

I am a 24 year-old Danish-American living in DK. I have lived here for 16 years. I speak both languages like a native (better than most natives) - my game is OK, I have had some hot girlfriends, and I am decent looking, so here is my perspective. I think Beebaloop is right. It's not gospel truth, but here's my two cents.

1) Denmark is expensive. You want to meet a shit-load of normal girls go to the student parties

• CBS Nexus on Thursdays
• The Friday Panum Bar at the Medical Faculty
• Any other college bar at a faculty with a lot of girls - pharmaceutists, vets, etc.
  

I´ve literally been everywhere in CPH. The above has lots of young girls, but you might be too old in order to fit in. These parties people, especially guys, get DRUNK. But it's not necessary - I reckon you're success will be better without acting like all the other tools.

Bar-wise, Roosh, have you been to Zefside? I worked with the bartenders there and the owner. He is a super-alpha with ridiculous success. He drinks himself stupid and fucks girls in the bathroom and takes a different one home the same night. I've heard they've been having an amazing season so far this year.

Tell us where you've been. I reckon Beebaloop and I can tell you where you should go in CPH next. I'm not convinced CPH is this bad for travelers.

No comments on the overall quality of women in CPH? Word on the street is it's pretty terrible....what's your take as another guy living in CPH?

[Easy E]

"No comments on the overall quality of women in CPH? Word on the street is it's pretty terrible....what's your take as another guy living in CPH?"

Invictus, could you post picks of some Danish girls you know so that we can settle this quality issue once and for all?

I tend to trust Roosh more than your average poster, and if he says Danish chicks are mostly busted, then I tend to believe him.

But, I am open to other viewpoints if you have evidence (photographic).

[Roosh]

I don't want to make it seem like every girl is busted, but the ratio of pretty girls to the overall girl population is the lowest I've seen since Ecuador/Peru/Bolivia.

[hydrogonian]

Would you say that its a matter of extra weight, feminist styles, and bad living; or that the genetics are bad?

For example, are there good cheekbones under those bloated mugs?

Being so close to Scandinavia, it seems as if the genetics wouldn't yield such losers.

But I suppose that being that its a small country, in times when travel was more difficult, centuries of inbreeding could have led to some nasty genetics.

[kimleebj]

(04-11-2011 12:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

1st cousins only have 6.25% genetic similarity.

You're the biologist, but shouldn't that be 12.5%?

(04-17-2011 11:33 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I approach Danish girls mostly to insult them ... .

You learned you prefer Latin women to Scandinavians. What are you accomplishing by staying longer? You could immediately go to Eastern Europe, back to South America, take a writers workshop, a graduate biology class, etc.

[Invictus]

What places have you been so far in CPH Roosh? Any that you frequent? How about your Danish buddy you mentioned in earlier blog-posts. Has he provided any recommendations?

The weather is shitty right now. A lot of people claim that plays an importat part - ie. it's much easier to get laid in the summer. My experience has been that spring-time and summer is easier and better, but it's just my own experience. Spring doesn't start till May though. And yes, I happen to think Danes are not a bad bunch every time I get back traveling, but I'm not as traveled as Roosh.

I have never lived in the US, but Americans are generally raised to be more open and outgoing. Genetically, that doesn't mean Danes are less social, nor that they have different preferences. The definition of "cool" is that same both places. Danish social culture is just different. They make their life-long friends when they're 15 and teenagers. They go through their "college" experience at this age, about 4 years before Americans. They fuck, get wasted, and experiment. Their friendships become close, and in my experience, from that age on, they have their friends for life.

They'll make new ones, but it'll never be the same. I read somewhere that emotional bonds formed in the teens are more powerful than those formed later.

It means breaking in on Danish social circles is VERY difficult for a stranger, especially a foreigner. Notorious problem for exchange students.

[Roosh]

I've tried various bars and clubs in Norebro, Vesterbro, and old town.

Norebro = sausage fest to the max
Vesterbro = tolerable, but low quality
Old town = hottest girls but a drunken sausage fest (plus more tourists)

Invictus: I agree with your comments. My point is that Denmark is real crappy for a single guy to roll through to meet feminine, pleasant women. By far the majority of Danish men I've met here agree with me, and make fun of me for coming.

[Invictus]

(04-18-2011 02:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I've tried various bars and clubs in Norebro, Vesterbro, and old town.

Norebro = sausage fest to the max
Vesterbro = tolerable, but low quality
Old town = hottest girls but a drunken sausage fest (plus more tourists)

You been to Aporta, near Kgs Nytorv? Hotties abound in there last few times I went. I reckon you've already been to Simon's and Zen as well as Koedbyen.

Like I said, Zefside is supposed to be fun, the Jane is a new spot close to a lot of restaurants where the waitresses go to hang out after they get off - and Danish waitresses are mega sluts. Let us know how it goes.

I'll have to reevaluate DK when I get back from Central America in a few weeks. I'll probably have an unfair advantage with the tan.

But yeah... I'm really looking forward to your final (American) analysis on this. I agree Danish girls are not that feminine compared to what I saw in SA, and you saw a shitload more than I did. Further DK is super expensive. You obviously need a social circle in place to get enough out of place like this.

Curious - have you tried any daygaming? I have never had the balls to really do much of that in DK - thus only minor successes.

[Roosh]

Thing is copenhagen is huge and has a lot of bars/club, so of course there are good spots I have missed.

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Curious - have you tried any daygaming?

Yup. Daygaming was the salvage of the trip pretty much.

My final analysis will be along the lines of: if you love American girls, you should have a good time in Denmark.