[TravelerKai]

(09-08-2014 05:11 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:40 AM)britchard Wrote:  

He took this way too far. Could have just held her and pushed her away.

I've had women hit me. If you HAVEN'T made your woman mad enough to hit you, you probably aren't getting them to fall in love with you. Or you're dating a very cold fish.

Usually, I just hold their arms and try to appeal to their hamster, something like "you think you're hitting me but you're actually degrading yourself", or "I like this!". That usually gets them to stop.

Some, like Tom Leykis, say that if you're woman hits you you're a fool to lay your hands on her in any way, even to hold her arms. Any bruises will be soon as YOU perpetrating DV against her, and she'll always claim you struck her first. These people advise immediately leaving - and not ever seeing that chick again! I admit their is some logic here.

Some better logic would be to never date spoiled rotten Western cancerous scags like this in the first place.

[Joga Bonito]

(09-08-2014 03:59 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

So Ray Lewis can murder a guy and the Ravens keep him.....

Care to point us to the source that says he was convicted of murder?

[The Father]

(09-08-2014 02:30 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  

After seeing all these women take swings at guys who can obviously fuck them up i'm gonna start carrying those plastics flexible handcuffs.
Once a girl puts her hands on me it's like 3 movements for me to cuff her to a nearby pole or cuff her hand to her foot.

Flexible plastic handcuffs: $12
Seeing the look on a girls face as you walk away while she's handcuffed to a telephone pole? Priceless!

Some things cost money. For everything else, there's the RVF MasterCard.

[The Father]

(09-08-2014 02:21 PM)HeyPete Wrote:  

I don't care how many haymakers her face has to endure. Or how many times it's wrapped around his fist.

I wouldn't mind having Ray Rice on my team.

I know I kept thinking "maybe the Dolphins can sign this guy!". Ain't gonna happen though.

[scorpion]

(09-08-2014 05:14 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Geez Scorpion. You need some ju jitsu or Aikido lessons brother. What's next the old punch them through a phone book, to avoid bruises, like some Mexican guys I know have told me?

I'm sure that Aikido stuff is better if you're good at it, but that's beyond my skill-set. I can't vouch for it personally, anyway. I have kneed a girl like this to stop an attack though, and it ended things quickly and she didn't suffer any real damage in the process. Pretty good outcome, I'd say. Could do a lot worse, at least. Honestly it was more instinctual than anything, I was initially just trying to control her to keep from getting scratched up but she still kept going crazy, so I threw up a couple knees and she dropped.

Just make sure she isn't pregnant before hitting her with the knee .

[The Father]

(09-08-2014 02:48 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Don't get me wrong, Ray deserves some punishment for sure, but always takes two to fight.

Exactly. He's an idiot for hitting her, especially being a public figure. Who doesn't know elevators have security tapes now?? And SHE'S an idiot for engaging with him like that. In the video, she hits him first before they even get in the elevator.

They both need therapy. Or society needs to bring back "stupid prison" (if there ever was such a thing). That's where you go until you learn to live life in a non-stupid fashion. It's part prison, part padded room, part special ed.

[TravelerKai]

(09-08-2014 03:59 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

So Ray Lewis can murder a guy and the Ravens keep him.....

This is lazy and ridiculous logic. Ray Lewis was found not guilty over an un filmed murder that lacked enough proof that he had actually committed the murder. For you to state that like it is a fact shows that you have no respect for the rule of law and favor mob justice. The NFL has no right to fire someone over a legal accusation with no actual proof in the form of a video like Ray Rice's video. They can fire Ray or pay his exit fees in his contract because he cannot tell them with a straight face that was not him. He won't lawyer up against them because it will make him look like an ass.

People get accused for shit all the time, that does not mean that it happened. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? We all get it. Most hate his sanctimonious overtly zealot Christian attitude and peacocking. He is another Tim Tebow except louder. That still does not mean you are right to call him a murderer nor does that mean that the NFL should treat him like he is one.

[TravelerKai]

(09-08-2014 05:23 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 05:14 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Geez Scorpion. You need some ju jitsu or Aikido lessons brother. What's next the old punch them through a phone book, to avoid bruises, like some Mexican guys I know have told me?

I'm sure that Aikido stuff is better if you're good at it, but that's beyond my skill-set. I can't vouch for it personally, anyway. I have kneed a girl like this to stop an attack though, and it ended things quickly and she didn't suffer any real damage in the process. Pretty good outcome, I'd say. Could do a lot worse, at least. Honestly it was more instinctual than anything, I was initially just trying to control her to keep from getting scratched up but she still kept going crazy, so I threw up a couple knees and she dropped.

Just make sure she isn't pregnant before hitting her with the knee .

You don't need to be good at it. Police officers use a basic Aikido move to put peoples hands behind their backs to arrest them. Do that to the women and hold the other arm with your other hand.

Then use your best Barry White voice to whisper in their ear, "You know you want this dick."

[Cattle Rustler]

(09-08-2014 05:22 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 02:30 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  

After seeing all these women take swings at guys who can obviously fuck them up i'm gonna start carrying those plastics flexible handcuffs.
Once a girl puts her hands on me it's like 3 movements for me to cuff her to a nearby pole or cuff her hand to her foot.

Flexible plastic handcuffs: $12
Seeing the look on a girls face as you walk away while she's handcuffed to a telephone pole? Priceless!

Some things cost money. For everything else, there's the RVF MasterCard.

Then you're looking at holding her against her will or kidnapping.

It all depends on the cop and how she spins her story

[Cattle Rustler]

(09-08-2014 05:14 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Geez Scorpion. You need some ju jitsu or Aikido lessons brother. What's next the old punch them through a phone book, to avoid bruises, like some Mexican guys I know have told me?

Hey, those phonebooks work. Some mexicans use a sack of oranges.

[kinjutsu]

(09-08-2014 04:58 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

As a PR or media professional would say, this is just bad optics. It looks terrible. There's no good way to spin it in Rice's favor, no matter what his woman did or didn't do to precipitate the physical altercation. A big, muscular man punching a woman will always result in the man being labeled the bad guy by anyone watching (whether in person or on video). I'm not going to condemn Ray Rice because I don't know the full story, and if the woman married him I doubt he's some violent monster. But I can't defend what he did there. He should have known better and let a cooler head prevail.

That being said, I have been attacked by a crazed woman before. It's not fun, and they can fuck you up if you don't fight back (not a KO punch obviously, but they can scratch the shit out of you and leave scars on your arms and face). The best move to quickly incapacitate a female attacker without looking like a total villain to anyone watching is to grab her head in a Thai plum and give her a hard knee or two to the solar plexus. That should be enough to drop her without doing any lasting damage or leaving any visible injuries for her to play the victim over.

A open palm slap/punch to the upper stomach area will take the wind out of them.
I did it to my younger sister once or twice...
It's a gentle reminder who can fuck you up but doesn't want to.

I was thinking if you can pick the girl up and put her over your shoulder...
You could totally just spin her around till she gets dizzy and then set her down on the ground hahaha

[MdWanderer]

(09-08-2014 05:11 PM)The Father Wrote:  

I've had women hit me. If you HAVEN'T made your woman mad enough to hit you, you probably aren't getting them to fall in love with you. Or you're dating a very cold fish.

Yep, sadly you need drama in your life in order to keep a woman. I fought with plenty of women at work in the past and some of them were throwing sexual innuendos at me afterwards. I personally don't like beefing with women I've been banging (I like to keep things positive) but it looks like that's too my detriment.

[The Father]

(09-08-2014 06:37 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 05:11 PM)The Father Wrote:  

I've had women hit me. If you HAVEN'T made your woman mad enough to hit you, you probably aren't getting them to fall in love with you. Or you're dating a very cold fish.

Yep, sadly you need drama in your life in order to keep a woman. I fought with plenty of women at work in the past and some of them were throwing sexual innuendos at me afterwards. I personally don't like beefing with women I've been banging (I like to keep things positive) but it looks like that's too my detriment.

Yeah the older I get, the less tolerant I am of chick drama. See, all other areas of my life are DRAMA FREE! My career is going well. My retirement fund is well-invested and grows. I live in a nice home, in an exciting city. I can afford to do the things I want to do, within reason. I can date, and bang, attractive women 10-15 yrs younger than me. Everything works so well in my life that my capacity for drama may be reduced. I guess I've gone soft. When a chick comes in and starts stirring the pot, I tell her "I have a really nice life, and I don't have time for someone who wants to pick a fight with me by phone at midnight. It ruins my sleep." Some straighten up. Some can't; they need the drama. In that case, they have to get it elsewhere because I drop them!

At this point, the only mistake I could make would be to get married. Then, I wouldn't be able to get up and leave when they start shit. I'd be a prisoner, given the state of our family law.

[Stun]

Am I the only person in America who this makes no sense to?

They already knew he punched her out and that it was caught on video.

So what difference should it make that the video is now available?

[Jura]

(09-08-2014 07:05 PM)Sugar Wrote:  

Am I the only person in America who this makes no sense to?

They already knew he punched her out and that it was caught on video.

So what difference should it make that the video is now available?

Yeah I thought the same.
Guy is seen dragging his unconscious fiancee out of the elevator. What the F did you expect to find on the full video tape?

[Emancipator]

Lesson to be learned from this (in addition to the dog kicking CEO): Watch what the fuck your doing in an elavator

[Joga Bonito]

(09-08-2014 07:18 PM)Jura Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 07:05 PM)Sugar Wrote:  

Am I the only person in America who this makes no sense to?

They already knew he punched her out and that it was caught on video.

So what difference should it make that the video is now available?

Yeah I thought the same.
Guy is seen dragging his unconscious fiancee out of the elevator. What the F did you expect to find on the full video tape?

Basically to inoculate themselves from further public backlash and right a perceived wrong. Many thought Ray Rice should've been banned from the league initially or at the very least received a harsher sentence, so the re-release gives the league another chance "to get right", and assuage the disgust that many social groups had with that they saw as a very lax punishment. Basically, they are covering their ass.

[TravelerKai]

(09-08-2014 06:27 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 05:14 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Geez Scorpion. You need some ju jitsu or Aikido lessons brother. What's next the old punch them through a phone book, to avoid bruises, like some Mexican guys I know have told me?

Hey, those phonebooks work. Some mexicans use a sack of oranges.

Gosh that's fucked up.

[Quintus Curtius]

Despite the alleged neutrality of the courts and public opinion, certain types of crimes are just more hysteria-causing than others.

These crimes are ones that inflame public opinion:

domestic batteries
DUI/DWI
Sex offenses
Any offense involving animals (especially ones that look cute)

Do any of these, and you get hammered. Do pretty much anything else (including stealing tens of millions, homicides, etc.) and people shrug it off.

Ray Rice also had the supremely bad luck of having had the whole thing caught on video.

I wonder what would have happened to Michael Vick if there had been graphic videos of animal abuse of cute little dogs released to the public.

[Vronsky]

I looked at the video closely; he spat on her outside the elevator and she pushed him away, then inside the elevator, he spat on her again, hit her and then moved away to the other side of the elevator where he ample space to clock her when she came at him. He then just dragged her out and left her lying on the floor.

This asshole is an instigator and richly deserves what he gets.

[TravelerKai]

He would be at home broke right now. That's what.

[The Father]

(09-08-2014 08:03 PM)Vronsky Wrote:  

I looked at the video closely; he spat on her outside the elevator and she pushed him away, then inside the elevator, he spat on her again, hit her and then moved away to the other side of the elevator where he ample space to clock her when she came at him. He then just dragged her out and left her lying on the floor.

This asshole is an instigator and richly deserves what he gets.

I didn't see any spitting but will take your word for it. Spitting on people def = a-hole behavior. In fact, that offends me more than the punch. Is that odd?

[Kingsley Davis]

(09-08-2014 07:22 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  

Lesson to be learned from this (in addition to the dog kicking CEO): Watch what the fuck your doing in an elavator

Watch what the fuck you're doing anywhere in public.

[Vronsky]

(09-08-2014 08:14 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 08:03 PM)Vronsky Wrote:  

I looked at the video closely; he spat on her outside the elevator and she pushed him away, then inside the elevator, he spat on her again, hit her and then moved away to the other side of the elevator where he ample space to clock her when she came at him. He then just dragged her out and left her lying on the floor.

This asshole is an instigator and richly deserves what he gets.

I didn't see any spitting but will take your word for it. Spitting on people def = a-hole behavior. In fact, that offends me more than the punch. Is that odd?

I'm with you man...spitting is the physical expression of pure contempt and to me, far worse than a punch.

Check the video. The first spitting happens at 00:07. Then starting at 00:20 he's in her space in the elevator, waits for the door to close, and then spits and hits her at 00:25. Then backs away and clocks her so fast that I barely could see the punch. The entire time she is flailing at him with one arm.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-e...nch-video/

He seems very petty, unstable and emotional, with the spitting and the punching. Perfect for the NFL.

[clever alias]

(09-08-2014 08:35 PM)Vronsky Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 08:14 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 08:03 PM)Vronsky Wrote:  

I looked at the video closely; he spat on her outside the elevator and she pushed him away, then inside the elevator, he spat on her again, hit her and then moved away to the other side of the elevator where he ample space to clock her when she came at him. He then just dragged her out and left her lying on the floor.

This asshole is an instigator and richly deserves what he gets.

I didn't see any spitting but will take your word for it. Spitting on people def = a-hole behavior. In fact, that offends me more than the punch. Is that odd?

I'm with you man...spitting is the physical expression of pure contempt and to me, far worse than a punch.

Check the video. The first spitting happens at 00:07. Then starting at 00:20 he's in her space in the elevator, waits for the door to close, and then spits and hits her at 00:25. Then backs away and clocks her so fast that I barely could see the punch. The entire time she is flailing at him with one arm.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-e...nch-video/

He seems very petty, unstable and emotional, with the spitting and the punching. Perfect for the NFL.

It looks like he spits the way he gets right in her face. at the very least hes being overly aggressive before she even touches him