[Chunnel]

(09-08-2014 02:13 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 02:00 PM)Dismal Operator Wrote:  

The NFL knew the facts and handed out a punishment, and now are severely increasing that punishment only to get out in front of a SJW led mob right at the start of a new season. It's cowardice if you ask me.

Correct men if I'm wrong but isn't it the Ravens who terminated the contract. Another NFL could sign him now if they wanted to.

Goodell and Co. have now suspended him indefinitely after the Ravens terminated his contract.

[HeyPete]

I don't care how many haymakers her face has to endure. Or how many times it's wrapped around his fist.

I wouldn't mind having Ray Rice on my team.

[Pinocchio]

this looked too far to me.

[Deuce Anna Half]

I guess he would have been better off taking cues from Jay-Z and letting her smack him around in the elevator.

[Brosemite]

I bet Jerry Jones is itching to get his hands on a #2 RB once his indefinite suspension concludes......

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(09-08-2014 02:00 PM)Dismal Operator Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:23 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:01 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Heh, she still got married to him a month later.

And this is why no one should care.

Why people are white-knighting for a wild broad who gets the tingles thinking about how her man can take care of business and doesn't take shit from anybody is beyond me.

Ironically, the fact that he's had his contract terminated over this is going to severely impact his ability to 'take care of business' and continue to offer her the value she still saw in him, given she married him after this.

(09-08-2014 10:38 AM)DonJuanBrown Wrote:  

Wow, seriously guys? 220 lb of solid muscle NFL stud knocks his fiancee out COLD. She hit her head on the hand rail. If he wanted to send her a message, he could have given her a Sean Connery smack. Assuming this video is 100% legit and untampered with, Rice took things way too far. This is pretty bad and Rice deserves more than just a two-game suspension.

Just goes to show that too many dudes join RVF to hate on women rather than learn how to fuck them...

He did give her a Connery smack and she kept coming. Personally, I'd have never let it get to that point - if a woman had the cheek to put her hands on me in public like that, she can pack her bags and be gone in the morning. Should be screening out girls like that in the first place. Having allowed it to get to that point, Rice should have tried to restrain her. He did use unnecessary force to combat what was an unnecessary response from the woman.

Having said all that, the fact that his livelihood is being seriously impacted by this does not sit well with me, particularly because the NFL is bowing to the usual suspects. They'd already suspended him and now are lowering the boom even though everyone already knew what happened, simply because there is video of it. It's near thought crime territory now, where if you do or think something that doesn't agree with the 'accepted' view, you're removed from society no matter what. Rice is guilty of hitting his fiancee in a heated argument which involved them both assaulting each other. That does not render him unfit to do his work and provide for his family, particularly as his transgressions happened outside of his place of work. The NFL knew the facts and handed out a punishment, and now are severely increasing that punishment only to get out in front of a SJW led mob right at the start of a new season. It's cowardice if you ask me.

Another problem is the larger societal context in which this is happening. The United States will excuse anyone for doing practically anything, from being an accomplice to murder (Ray Lewis), to being a kiddie perv (Roman Polansky) to being openly perverted (Miley Cyrus) to bragging about having an abortion (Gloria Steinem).

There are the calls to accept the transgendered. No one put the banksters in prison. Illegals flood the country. Single moms rule the roost -- no shaming allowed. Newsweek allows porn actresses who were gangbanged to write articles.

There are no laws or rules, apparently. Anything goes!

And in the swirl of all that chaos, they want to tell us that hitting a woman is some sort of mortal sin. Is it wrong? Of course it is. But people are behaving as if this is Victorian England and Rice made some huge societal transgression. He's part of the larger culture -- an outlaw culture by any other name.

You can't tell people "anything goes" and then single out one area where it doesn't go. You either have chaos or an orderly society. We chose chaos, so no one should be surprised at this -- nor should they be too judgmental, since they're the ones that made judging anything unfashionable to begin with.

[kinjutsu]

After seeing all these women take swings at guys who can obviously fuck them up i'm gonna start carrying those plastics flexible handcuffs.
Once a girl puts her hands on me it's like 3 movements for me to cuff her to a nearby pole or cuff her hand to her foot.

I've restrained her.
She didn't continue to assault me.
I didn't hit her.

Looks good to me.

[Blackmagic]

A lot of stuff doesn't add up here. There's no way this video just "magically re-appeared" this weekend. The people in the NFL and Ravens front offices dealing with this definitely saw this video at the outset of this situation or at least some time in the last few weeks and probably had an opportunity to offer TMZ enough money to not take it public. So, the NFL is partially responsible for their own PR nightmare in this case.

I understand that it is very bad for him to be hitting her to the point of knocking her out cold but by her own admission, she was in his face spitting on Rice and hitting him. If Rice had the same reaction to another man, even one as petite as his now wife, in an elevator and there was some footage of him dragging a man out of the elevator no one would care. Similarly, if his fiancee had gotten in the face of another woman who knocked her out cold in an elevator and dragged her out by her hair, no one would care. So all other circumstances holding true, most people would agree that if this altercation would have been the result of a man versus another man or a woman versus another woman, it would barely be newsworthy. I've said it before, and I'll say it again in this case, I would never hit a woman myself but I can understand how a man can arrive at a point where he feels that is his only option.

[TravelerKai]

(09-08-2014 02:00 PM)Dismal Operator Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:23 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:01 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Heh, she still got married to him a month later.

And this is why no one should care.

Why people are white-knighting for a wild broad who gets the tingles thinking about how her man can take care of business and doesn't take shit from anybody is beyond me.

Ironically, the fact that he's had his contract terminated over this is going to severely impact his ability to 'take care of business' and continue to offer her the value she still saw in him, given she married him after this.

(09-08-2014 10:38 AM)DonJuanBrown Wrote:  

Wow, seriously guys? 220 lb of solid muscle NFL stud knocks his fiancee out COLD. She hit her head on the hand rail. If he wanted to send her a message, he could have given her a Sean Connery smack. Assuming this video is 100% legit and untampered with, Rice took things way too far. This is pretty bad and Rice deserves more than just a two-game suspension.

Just goes to show that too many dudes join RVF to hate on women rather than learn how to fuck them...

He did give her a Connery smack and she kept coming. Personally, I'd have never let it get to that point - if a woman had the cheek to put her hands on me in public like that, she can pack her bags and be gone in the morning. Should be screening out girls like that in the first place. Having allowed it to get to that point, Rice should have tried to restrain her. He did use unnecessary force to combat what was an unnecessary response from the woman.

Having said all that, the fact that his livelihood is being seriously impacted by this does not sit well with me, particularly because the NFL is bowing to the usual suspects. They'd already suspended him and now are lowering the boom even though everyone already knew what happened, simply because there is video of it. It's near thought crime territory now, where if you do or think something that doesn't agree with the 'accepted' view, you're removed from society no matter what. Rice is guilty of hitting his fiancee in a heated argument which involved them both assaulting each other. That does not render him unfit to do his work and provide for his family, particularly as his transgressions happened outside of his place of work. The NFL knew the facts and handed out a punishment, and now are severely increasing that punishment only to get out in front of a SJW led mob right at the start of a new season. It's cowardice if you ask me.

I agree with you completely but at this point, it became a business decision. It's the price to pay for the expanded business market that now heavily includes women now. The NFL being as big as it is cannot avoid it like they did in the past now. I think ray rice career might be over which is a shame. Running backs have short careers anyway. It's not like this was Tom Brady. Anyone else stupid enough to hit a woman in the future on camera will be removed from the NFL. NFL is hypocritical just like anyone else. Notice the Ravens have a couple new running backs that played well yesterday? It's always about the money. He isn't Aaron Rodgers.

Welcome to the information age! The atomic age is over and everything is on camera, audio, and email! Those unaware will reap what they sow in time, right or wrong, but now in front of everyone!

Like I said in the other ray rice thread, this is still a bit of a race issue as well because black women always feel like they can fight a grown man and always try to. They still need to learn how to control their emotions better in a more professional manner, especially in public. Don't get me wrong, Ray deserves some punishment for sure, but always takes two to fight.

[Chunnel]

(09-08-2014 02:27 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 02:00 PM)Dismal Operator Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:23 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:01 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Heh, she still got married to him a month later.

And this is why no one should care.

Why people are white-knighting for a wild broad who gets the tingles thinking about how her man can take care of business and doesn't take shit from anybody is beyond me.

Ironically, the fact that he's had his contract terminated over this is going to severely impact his ability to 'take care of business' and continue to offer her the value she still saw in him, given she married him after this.

(09-08-2014 10:38 AM)DonJuanBrown Wrote:  

Wow, seriously guys? 220 lb of solid muscle NFL stud knocks his fiancee out COLD. She hit her head on the hand rail. If he wanted to send her a message, he could have given her a Sean Connery smack. Assuming this video is 100% legit and untampered with, Rice took things way too far. This is pretty bad and Rice deserves more than just a two-game suspension.

Just goes to show that too many dudes join RVF to hate on women rather than learn how to fuck them...

He did give her a Connery smack and she kept coming. Personally, I'd have never let it get to that point - if a woman had the cheek to put her hands on me in public like that, she can pack her bags and be gone in the morning. Should be screening out girls like that in the first place. Having allowed it to get to that point, Rice should have tried to restrain her. He did use unnecessary force to combat what was an unnecessary response from the woman.

Having said all that, the fact that his livelihood is being seriously impacted by this does not sit well with me, particularly because the NFL is bowing to the usual suspects. They'd already suspended him and now are lowering the boom even though everyone already knew what happened, simply because there is video of it. It's near thought crime territory now, where if you do or think something that doesn't agree with the 'accepted' view, you're removed from society no matter what. Rice is guilty of hitting his fiancee in a heated argument which involved them both assaulting each other. That does not render him unfit to do his work and provide for his family, particularly as his transgressions happened outside of his place of work. The NFL knew the facts and handed out a punishment, and now are severely increasing that punishment only to get out in front of a SJW led mob right at the start of a new season. It's cowardice if you ask me.

Another problem is the larger societal context in which this is happening. The United States will excuse anyone for doing practically anything, from being an accomplice to murder (Ray Lewis), to being a kiddie perv (Roman Polansky) to being openly perverted (Miley Cyrus) to bragging about having an abortion (Gloria Steinem).

There are the calls to accept the transgendered. No one put the banksters in prison. Illegals flood the country. Single moms rule the roost -- no shaming allowed. Newsweek allows porn actresses who were gangbanged to write articles.

There are no laws or rules, apparently. Anything goes!

And in the swirl of all that chaos, they want to tell us that hitting a woman is some sort of mortal sin. Is it wrong? Of course it is. But people are behaving as if this is Victorian England and Rice made some huge societal transgression. He's part of the larger culture -- an outlaw culture by any other name.

You can't tell people "anything goes" and then single out one area where it doesn't go. You either have chaos or an orderly society. We chose chaos, so no one should be surprised at this -- nor should they be too judgmental, since they're the ones that made judging anything unfashionable to begin with.

Roethlisberger has been forgiven for his "sexaul assualt," "false rape" or whatever it was. Its just a matter of time before people forget about this.

What'll sting in the meantime are all the keyboard jockeys proclaiming superiority over athletes, specifically Ray, cause they would never hit a woman.

[DannyAlberta]

a couple things bother me. first, how can the nfl impose further punishment on him? they suspended him for 2 games already for the same incident. that was done way back in july. i think he might be able to raise a grievance with the union over that one.

also, the timing seems odd, as other above have pointed out.

finally, his reaction did seem a bit severe/disproportionate. makes me wonder if there is a history there of his fiancé doing more than just getting in his face. if she's hauled off and smacked him before, maybe he'd had enough?

on the subject as a whole, i believe there are a couple of ways for a man to handle a physical attack by a woman against him. certainly one is to deliver a beatdown to the offending woman. that could lead to all kinds of trouble in the same vein that ray is now facing.

another way is this from gordon ramsay's uk show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHUCmMQ6c04

i always found this odd, because i thought ramsay would be one of the first guys to deliver a beatdown given the excuse. but the way he handled this one was actually equally effective imo. made her look really immature and childish.

[TravelerKai]

(09-08-2014 02:50 PM)Chunnel Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 02:27 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 02:00 PM)Dismal Operator Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:23 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:01 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Heh, she still got married to him a month later.

And this is why no one should care.

Why people are white-knighting for a wild broad who gets the tingles thinking about how her man can take care of business and doesn't take shit from anybody is beyond me.

Ironically, the fact that he's had his contract terminated over this is going to severely impact his ability to 'take care of business' and continue to offer her the value she still saw in him, given she married him after this.

(09-08-2014 10:38 AM)DonJuanBrown Wrote:  

Wow, seriously guys? 220 lb of solid muscle NFL stud knocks his fiancee out COLD. She hit her head on the hand rail. If he wanted to send her a message, he could have given her a Sean Connery smack. Assuming this video is 100% legit and untampered with, Rice took things way too far. This is pretty bad and Rice deserves more than just a two-game suspension.

Just goes to show that too many dudes join RVF to hate on women rather than learn how to fuck them...

He did give her a Connery smack and she kept coming. Personally, I'd have never let it get to that point - if a woman had the cheek to put her hands on me in public like that, she can pack her bags and be gone in the morning. Should be screening out girls like that in the first place. Having allowed it to get to that point, Rice should have tried to restrain her. He did use unnecessary force to combat what was an unnecessary response from the woman.

Having said all that, the fact that his livelihood is being seriously impacted by this does not sit well with me, particularly because the NFL is bowing to the usual suspects. They'd already suspended him and now are lowering the boom even though everyone already knew what happened, simply because there is video of it. It's near thought crime territory now, where if you do or think something that doesn't agree with the 'accepted' view, you're removed from society no matter what. Rice is guilty of hitting his fiancee in a heated argument which involved them both assaulting each other. That does not render him unfit to do his work and provide for his family, particularly as his transgressions happened outside of his place of work. The NFL knew the facts and handed out a punishment, and now are severely increasing that punishment only to get out in front of a SJW led mob right at the start of a new season. It's cowardice if you ask me.

Another problem is the larger societal context in which this is happening. The United States will excuse anyone for doing practically anything, from being an accomplice to murder (Ray Lewis), to being a kiddie perv (Roman Polansky) to being openly perverted (Miley Cyrus) to bragging about having an abortion (Gloria Steinem).

There are the calls to accept the transgendered. No one put the banksters in prison. Illegals flood the country. Single moms rule the roost -- no shaming allowed. Newsweek allows porn actresses who were gangbanged to write articles.

There are no laws or rules, apparently. Anything goes!

And in the swirl of all that chaos, they want to tell us that hitting a woman is some sort of mortal sin. Is it wrong? Of course it is. But people are behaving as if this is Victorian England and Rice made some huge societal transgression. He's part of the larger culture -- an outlaw culture by any other name.

You can't tell people "anything goes" and then single out one area where it doesn't go. You either have chaos or an orderly society. We chose chaos, so no one should be surprised at this -- nor should they be too judgmental, since they're the ones that made judging anything unfashionable to begin with.

Roethlisberger has been forgiven for his "sexaul assualt," "false rape" or whatever it was. Its just a matter of time before people forget about this.

What'll sting in the meantime are all the keyboard jockeys proclaiming superiority over athletes, specifically Ray, cause they would never hit a woman.

Roethlisberger was not caught on film, so we do not know if he did assault her or if she was just drunk and lied. Ben was a top tier QB. The most valuable of positions in the NFL. Running Back just happen to be the lowest position in the NFL. They last about 3 seasons. A franchise QB can last around 7-10. If this was Big Ben in his prime punching his wife like this, the Steelers probably would cut him considering the family that owns the team, the NFL would suspend him for 1 season probably, giving him alot of time to make the chitlin circuit giving speeches, crying on camera, apologizing, etc. then another team would grab him immediately after the suspension. No one will ever do this for a fucking running back with alot of mileage on him. Adrian Peterson might be an exception, but that's still a big maybe.

Knocking a woman out cold as a guy who is strong enough to bench press another large grown man, and can squat 2 dudes, is probably worst than killing some damn dogs like Vick did. Mentally sick dog lovers ruining a man's livelihood is one thing, harming another human being is another. He literally could have killed her with that punch. At least she was a human being and not some stinking animal. Ray Rice will never play football again. I'm calling it now. I would be shocked if he did.

This is not like Warren Moon, Big Ben, or others men fucked up before. There was no video. Warren Moon's wife had a big black eye if I remember right, but times were a little bit different and the NFL was only a man's entertainment. Now the NFL is heavily female now, with pink month for breasts, famous performers and singers, superbowl commercial popularity, Fantasy football and the gambling off it are all very female friendly. Football moms will watch it with their sons and husbands as well now. It's not the same as it used to be, like the days when baseball and basketball ruled and football was third fiddle.

[TravelerKai]

(09-08-2014 02:45 PM)Blackmagic Wrote:  

A lot of stuff doesn't add up here. There's no way this video just "magically re-appeared" this weekend. The people in the NFL and Ravens front offices dealing with this definitely saw this video at the outset of this situation or at least some time in the last few weeks and probably had an opportunity to offer TMZ enough money to not take it public. So, the NFL is partially responsible for their own PR nightmare in this case.

I understand that it is very bad for him to be hitting her to the point of knocking her out cold but by her own admission, she was in his face spitting on Rice and hitting him. If Rice had the same reaction to another man, even one as petite as his now wife, in an elevator and there was some footage of him dragging a man out of the elevator no one would care. Similarly, if his fiancee had gotten in the face of another woman who knocked her out cold in an elevator and dragged her out by her hair, no one would care. So all other circumstances holding true, most people would agree that if this altercation would have been the result of a man versus another man or a woman versus another woman, it would barely be newsworthy. I've said it before, and I'll say it again in this case, I would never hit a woman myself but I can understand how a man can arrive at a point where he feels that is his only option.

That's too much of a guess to say that. The NFL says that they had not seen this video until today. I tend to believe them, because if they had Ray would have gotten more than the two game suspension in the form of an agreement with Roger, and the owner himself probably would have fired him anyway, just from what I know about that guy. The coach himself probably would have cut him, he isn't all that much different than his brother.

Thing is, the police had this video. They are not necessarily supposed to show or release stuff like this depending upon the case and the crime, for evidence reasons. If they closed their case because the wife was not going to testify against her husband, then later that stuff becomes available as part of the public record on that particular case file. They do not always make the evidences immediately available after the case is closed either. Once I tried to look up some stuff from a closed murder case that was recently closed and I had to wait a month or so for the items to be placed in that file, but that may have been a state specific thing, I'm not sure. If TMZ grabbed this immediately once it was available, then that makes sense. They probably were waiting for it. Either that, or that got a leak from their connections in the police dept. They could have also gotten a copy from a hotel worker, which they say that hotel just recently closed down for good.

RVF lawyers please correct me if I am wrong on this.

[Baldwin81]

Follow the money...

The NFL's marketed to women more so than men nowadays. You think husband in his cargo shorts and replica jersey is making the buying decision on tickets, on DirectTV, on anything related to football? Shit, he has to ask for the "time" away to watch the game, to drive or fly to the stadium. The NFL knows damn well who's making the $ decisions in the average American household.

Guys with real money either only go once-in-a-while as an event, have a box or seats through their company, don't really care because "it doesn't any effect my life...." or some combination of the three.

Ray Rice won't be back anytime soon. No idea if he'll do time, but he's going to have have to do some Michael Vick-like penance to please the NFL's "better half."

[Sidney Crosby]

So Ray Lewis can murder a guy and the Ravens keep him.....

[MdWanderer]

(09-08-2014 02:26 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

I bet Jerry Jones is itching to get his hands on a #2 RB once his indefinite suspension concludes......

Or maybe the Raiders...they were once infamous for these type of players.

[Rang off the Pipe]

Keith Olbermann just ripped him apart. Notwithstanding the media reactions, I can't imagine any NFL team takes Ray Rice after this.

[Chunnel]

Nah he'll just team up with Rasheed Wallace and Damon Stoudamire for Rucker Park pickup... Jailblazers 2.0

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Double jeopardy like a MF

[sp_johnnyutah]

(09-08-2014 02:30 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  

After seeing all these women take swings at guys who can obviously fuck them up i'm gonna start carrying those plastics flexible handcuffs.
Once a girl puts her hands on me it's like 3 movements for me to cuff her to a nearby pole or cuff her hand to her foot.

I've restrained her.
She didn't continue to assault me.
I didn't hit her.

Looks good to me.

And I'm going to find Jon Jones, Cain Velasquez, and Chris Weidman and throw an unprovoked drink in their faces, push them, and spit on them then file charges after they understandably lay me out. After all, they're all bigger (save Weidman, but most American women are as heavy as American men), faster, and stronger me leaving me with a 100% of getting fucked up. Is that not the MO of your typical trashy bitch?

[scorpion]

As a PR or media professional would say, this is just bad optics. It looks terrible. There's no good way to spin it in Rice's favor, no matter what his woman did or didn't do to precipitate the physical altercation. A big, muscular man punching a woman will always result in the man being labeled the bad guy by anyone watching (whether in person or on video). I'm not going to condemn Ray Rice because I don't know the full story, and if the woman married him I doubt he's some violent monster. But I can't defend what he did there. He should have known better and let a cooler head prevail.

That being said, I have been attacked by a crazed woman before. It's not fun, and they can fuck you up if you don't fight back (not a KO punch obviously, but they can scratch the shit out of you and leave scars on your arms and face). The best move to quickly incapacitate a female attacker without looking like a total villain to anyone watching is to grab her head in a Thai plum and give her a hard knee or two to the solar plexus. That should be enough to drop her without doing any lasting damage or leaving any visible injuries for her to play the victim over.

[The Father]

(09-08-2014 10:40 AM)britchard Wrote:  

He took this way too far. Could have just held her and pushed her away.

I've had women hit me. If you HAVEN'T made your woman mad enough to hit you, you probably aren't getting them to fall in love with you. Or you're dating a very cold fish.

Usually, I just hold their arms and try to appeal to their hamster, something like "you think you're hitting me but you're actually degrading yourself", or "I like this!". That usually gets them to stop.

Some, like Tom Leykis, say that if your woman hits you you're a fool to lay your hands on her in any way, even to hold her arms. Any bruises will be seen as YOU perpetrating DV against her, and she'll always claim you struck her first. These people advise immediately leaving - and not ever seeing that chick again! I admit their is some logic here.

[TravelerKai]

(09-08-2014 04:58 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

As a PR or media professional would say, this is just bad optics. It looks terrible. There's no good way to spin it in Rice's favor, no matter what his woman did or didn't do to precipitate the physical altercation. A big, muscular man punching a woman will always result in the man being labeled the bad guy by anyone watching (whether in person or on video). I'm not going to condemn Ray Rice because I don't know the full story, and if the woman married him I doubt he's some violent monster. But I can't defend what he did there. He should have known better and let a cooler head prevail.

That being said, I have been attacked by a crazed woman before. It's not fun, and they can fuck you up if you don't fight back (not a KO punch obviously, but they can scratch the shit out of you and leave scars on your arms and face). The best move to quickly incapacitate a female attacker without looking like a total villain to anyone watching is to grab her head in a Thai plum and give her a hard knee or two to the solar plexus. That should be enough to drop her without doing any lasting damage or leaving any visible injuries for her to play the victim over.

Geez Scorpion. You need some ju jitsu or Aikido lessons brother. What's next the old punch them through a phone book, to avoid bruises, like some Mexican guys I know have told me?

[The Father]

(09-08-2014 01:23 PM)J DOE Wrote:  

So it looks like Ray Rice has been released from the Ravens.

Anyway, she still married him but I wouldn't be surprised if she left him now that he's ruined.

Exactly. Getting knocked cold by your NFL fiancé? Not reason to leave. Said fiancé losing 7-figure job? Leave immediately. LONG LIVE THE HAMSTER!

[The Father]

dupe