[Sleek]

Ray Rice could accidentally kill a person with a punch. His arms are weapons of mass destruction. Let's assume she pokes him (as some here have pointed out). The move is to poke her back. Not knock her brains out. He absolutely deserves to be jailed.

[Hedonistic Traveler]

(09-08-2014 10:31 PM)Sleek Wrote:  

Ray Rice could accidentally kill a person with a punch. His arms are weapons of mass destruction. Let's assume she pokes him (as some here have pointed out). The move is to poke her back. Not knock her brains out. He absolutely deserves to be jailed.

I don't know, obviously the nice thing to do would be to poke her back, but I don't think he should be obligated to do so. It wasn't a smart move on his part, but it was an equally stupid move on her part. You shouldn't try to get physical with someone when you have no chance of beating them in fight, relying on them taking pity on you is just irresponsible.

The courts and the public may take the ladies side on this one, and as a public figure he should have held back, but I have no pity for the broad.

[RougeNoir]

Soooooo, she started shit (spits on him). He finished it (he knocked her out). She still marries him (indicator of resolution of conflict). He gets suspended for 2 games initially then suspended indefinitely after "new" video surfaces. So, all the backlash is from a new video?

[Captain Gh]

Both of them are idiots that simply don't know any better for fallowing this pattern of co dependency! But this video made something about human nature very clear to me. No matter how despicable the attitude and actions of a woman are, seeing one get clogged out just feels wrong. I strive on always finding ways to increase my Red Pill awareness, but I just can't feel nothing for a bitch that suffers violence on the hand of a man,even if she provokes him.

Maybe a ROK writer could expend on this way better than I can. Everyone knew that he knocked her out in the elevator with the release of the original footage and the consequence was set. And with the release of the new footage, even by knowing what the outcome was, the consequences and his negative image will skyrocket and matter of fact got fired from his job.

I understand why the Ravens released him on a emotional standpoint and why the NFL suspended him indefinitely, but logically it doesn't make sense because he's getting additional punishment for an outcome that we already knew.

Is this the proof of our inherent hypocrisy or simply the power of an action that we see? Truly don't know, but one's thing for sure`Ray is fuck and stuck with his man chin having wife, and he doesn't have the inner game to deal with it. He might be done! This is worse than Tiger

[MongolianAbroad]

(09-08-2014 05:11 PM)The Father Wrote:  

I've had women hit me. If you HAVEN'T made your woman mad enough to hit you, you probably aren't getting them to fall in love with you. Or you're dating a very cold fish.

(09-08-2014 06:37 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

Yep, sadly you need drama in your life in order to keep a woman. I fought with plenty of women at work in the past and some of them were throwing sexual innuendos at me afterwards. I personally don't like beefing with women I've been banging (I like to keep things positive) but it looks like that's too my detriment.

I have a zero-drama policy, and I think that's best, no exceptions. Disrespect from a woman, including physical violence or even anything approaching it (breaking plates, throwing things, even raising her voice at me), is completely unacceptable.

I have zero use for a woman who raises her voice at me, much less gets physical. All these things come out as you're getting to know a person.

She may not disrespect you when you're getting to know her, but she'll disrespect the homeless guy you walk next to, the waiter that serves you at dinner, or anyone else she feels, in her mind, is less than her, and that's all you need to know to see what kind of person she really is.

Unless you feed off of drama, avoid these women at all costs. There's simply no need for toxic women (or people) in your life, they poison you and drag you down.

If you're a guy with low impulse-control, like this athlete, and you're dating a woman with low impulse-control, like this woman, you've got to get a bodyguard to follow you around at all times and prevent this kind of thing from happening, similar to what Jay Z does with his wife's sister who thinks communicating with her fists is a normal and acceptable way to communicate with Jay Z.

I have no experience at this level of escalation because my zero-tolerance policy has so far prevented anything from getting to that point, but if you've got to be around women like this for whatever reason, you've at least got to put a barrier between yourself and their ignorance and lack of culture.

But why even bother? Why bring that kind of trash into your life? What value does it ultimately provide? None, for me anyhow.

[J DOE]

(09-08-2014 11:33 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

Both of them are idiots that simply don't know any better for fallowing this pattern of co dependency! But this video made something about human nature very clear to me. No matter how despicable the attitude and actions of a woman are, seeing one get clogged out just feels wrong. I strive on always finding ways to increase my Red Pill awareness, but I just can't feel nothing for a bitch that suffers violence on the hand of a man,even if she provokes him.

Maybe a ROK writer could expend on this way better than I can. Everyone knew that he knocked her out in the elevator with the release of the original footage and the consequence was set. And with the release of the new footage, even by knowing what the outcome was, the consequences and his negative image will skyrocket and matter of fact got fired from his job.

I understand why the Ravens released him on a emotional standpoint and why the NFL suspended him indefinitely, but logically it doesn't make sense because he's getting additional punishment for an outcome that we already knew.

Is this the proof of our inherent hypocrisy or simply the power of an action that we see? Truly don't know, but one's thing for sure`Ray is fuck and stuck with his man chin having wife, and he doesn't have the inner game to deal with it. He might be done! This is worse than Tiger

This is a great point. A large part of feminism is exploiting men's instinctive desire to protect them and dislike of seeing them harmed, as well as our tendency to take their grievances seriously without much evidence and I completely agree with you, I knew he knocked her out, but actually seeing it made me feel a certain type of way.

I don't know anything scientific about this subject, but there's gotta be something biological about the visceral dislike most men have of seeing women harmed by other men. It trumps all logic.

Just today I was looking at an interview with Erin Pizzey at avoiceformen and they talked about this subject in depth: http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/...-violence/

This lady started one of the first shelters for domestic violence and received death threats from feminists because she claimed that a lot of women in violent relationships were just as violent as the men. The fact that she went back to Ray after such a heinous act says to me that she knows she's somewhat guilty in all this, and that she puts her hands on him as well.

[clever alias]

(09-08-2014 11:02 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

Soooooo, she started shit (spits on him). He finished it (he knocked her out). She still marries him (indicator of resolution of conflict). He gets suspended for 2 games initially then suspended indefinitely after "new" video surfaces. So, all the backlash is from a new video?

she doesn't. he spits on her

[britchard]

Agreed, but as men we shouldn't try to play into the hands of feminists. This is obviously very hard not to do when a woman attacks you, but a full haymaker from this guy is a little too much, he probably had his competitive, angry head on, which also makes him the athlete he is.

[Pride male]

Heartiste has a number of posts in the chicks dig jerks series where he describes hitting women as 'alpha'. Tried it once but it didnt work.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

He's definitely an idiot who deserves to be punished for exceeding the limits of self-defense, but I hardly see what this has to do with misogyny as feminists are claiming. If anything, it's a sad testament to the misandric state of modern women who think they can start fights with impunity, emboldened by the support of legions of white knights.

I've never hit a woman and if one hit me I'd just leave forever. Maybe hitting her back will make her wet, but it's just a sign that she's batshit crazy and it's better to not associate with her.

[VincentVinturi]

Stupid woman.

What did she think was going to happen?

Professional athletes are a high testosterone group.

They're picked and paid on the basis of their ability to be more aggressive than the competition.

Sports is nothing more than ritualized warfare.

Granted, you have to be technically skilled too.

But technique alone without a good level of athleticism won't get you too far in most sports.

Especially in our age, now that everybody's on the juice.

If you consider Ray Rice's reaction in a vacuum, divorced from the context of society as a whole, it certainly seems fucked up.

I mean, what rational person would condone popping a chick so damn hard that she goes limp and hits the ground like a sack of dirt?

But from a system-wide perspective, what if women knew that their insane behavior would be met with violence...?

I would argue that in many cases, the mere threat of that violence would have a profound corrective effect on the kinds of unacceptable female behavior you see today.

Let me be clear: I've never hit a woman.

I would never enjoy doing such a thing.

No more than I would enjoy hitting a beloved son who did something terribly dumb.

But I'm certainly not blindly against exercising discipline if one day I feel it's called for.

Women will self destruct without discipline.

Correction, they already have.

Putting Ray Rice in jail would just make him a more violent, jaded human being.

And it would send the message to men that you better not try to do anything about when your girl goes loca on you.

I think suspending him from the team is whack too.

Everything in the US has become so politicized that you can't even run a ball club without having to pander to minority groups.

What does Ray Rice's altercation with his girl have to do with his ability to play hoops?

It's nobody's business how you handle your personal affairs.

It's between you, your girl, and the girl's family members.

You know, the family members that would be coming after this guy to beat the shit out of him OR commiserating with the fact that he had to lay her out because they know what a loony bin she can be.

That's *if* that kind of tribal conflict resolution which tends to correct behavior system-wide weren't made illegal by the nanny state.

There used to be this thing called solving your own problems.

If you do some stupid shit that impacts other people negatively in the 3rd world, you'd better be prepared for the blowback.

Because the police are too busy not giving a fuck to come jail you but they won't be coming to save your ass either.

I don't think my approach would make society less violent.

We're violent animals, period.

But I do think, based on the little I've seen of the world, that it would make things more natural; more aligned with our god given roles and tendencies.

And it would take things out of the hands of the state, an institution that has done more harm to mankind than a million Ray Rices.

[The Reactionary Tree]

Society wants to white knight for this broad but she ended up marrying him after this. This is what she wants. She had the freedom to walk away after getting punched but she went back for more.

[YossariansRight]

Goodell and the NFL are FUCKED with this Ray Rice shit. Good! Everyone keeps omitting that she supposedly hit him first. Now, Rice’s response was way too much, no question, but the slut (who married him – tells you about her), supposedly started this.

And now they’re trying to “re-punish” Rice ‘Ex Post Facto’? In a way, I hope he sues the shit outta the NFL and wins.

A pox on all of them.

[Vronsky]

Is there another video where she is shown hitting him? I ask genuinely because several ppl made the point that she hit him first. Where did she do that? Outside the elevator where she swatted his shoulder after he spit on her?
Unless further evidence is released, all I see in this video is a low-impulse thug who lacks self-control and self constraint, instigate a fight by spitting and hitting someone much weaker than himself.
In my early years, before I built my value up so high that this sort of nonesense stopped, a couple of former girlfriends would "hit" me, usually at my shoulders or chest. I just would laugh and embrace them tightly. Never have I felt the need to punch a woman. My attitude towards women comes from my father and uncles and is paternalistic in nature. I genuinely hold men to a higher standard of behaviour than I do women and based on these standards, and the fact that this low life instigated by spitting and punching, I am disgusted by him. I don't think red pill means ALWAYS taking the male side of things..wrong is wrong no matter who is doing the violence and who's receiving it.
Like I said, I grew up in a fairly traditional and red pill family and I know how a man like Ray Rice would be viewed; weak and a loser.

[Sumanguru]

I really hope Athlone tackles this next week. (Preferably earlier).

[Dr. Howard]

The fact that Rice's wife didn't want any further action, there are no charges filed, married the guy and came to his defense. Mean that all of the media uproar, NFL suspension and people saying he should be jailed is white knightery. If she wants justice, let her ask for it.

[Deuce Anna Half]

(09-09-2014 01:23 AM)britchard Wrote:  

Agreed, but as men we shouldn't try to play into the hands of feminists. This is obviously very hard not to do when a woman attacks you, but a full haymaker from this guy is a little too much, he probably had his competitive, angry head on, which also makes him the athlete he is.

That wasn't a haymaker, that was a jab, and off the back foot at that. You generate almost no power in that punch.

It just looks worse because she's smaller than him and she ran into it.

For MMA fans, it's similar to how Anderson Silva knocked out Forrest Griffin; it wasn't a big punch, but because of where and when it landed it dropped him.

[Sumanguru]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdo...57783.html

Quote:

"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend. But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ass of for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"

[MdWanderer]

(09-09-2014 09:44 AM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdo...57783.html

Quote:

"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend. But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ass of for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"

Just like with the Redskins name situation, only the media knows whats best for you!

[ThrustMaster]

Look at the guy, he's 100% street, he's a fighter. I'm ex-mil. You don't start them but you finish them. Overwhelming force. Not that I'd do this myself, but the guy is an animal, really? You poke this fucker in the eye and expect anything less?

Men understand consequence - let me rephrase that - real men who have experienced battle, strife and violence first hand.

The first rule of violence is overwhelming force - they guy probably has an 85 IQ. He's a fucking animal, like no one knew this?

(09-08-2014 10:38 AM)DonJuanBrown Wrote:  

Wow, seriously guys? 220 lb of solid muscle NFL stud knocks his fiancee out COLD. She hit her head on the hand rail. If he wanted to send her a message, he could have given her a Sean Connery smack. Assuming this video is 100% legit and untampered with, Rice took things way too far. This is pretty bad and Rice deserves more than just a two-game suspension.

Just goes to show that too many dudes join RVF to hate on women rather than learn how to fuck them...

[TravelerKai]

(09-09-2014 08:40 AM)Deuce Anna Half Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 01:23 AM)britchard Wrote:  

Agreed, but as men we shouldn't try to play into the hands of feminists. This is obviously very hard not to do when a woman attacks you, but a full haymaker from this guy is a little too much, he probably had his competitive, angry head on, which also makes him the athlete he is.

That wasn't a haymaker, that was a jab, and off the back foot at that. You generate almost no power in that punch.

It just looks worse because she's smaller than him and she ran into it.

For MMA fans, it's similar to how Anderson Silva knocked out Forrest Griffin; it wasn't a big punch, but because of where and when it landed it dropped him.

I understand your point but here is the problem with that.

Ray Rice with an already 60% denser bone mass than her from just being a man, may even be denser because of his physical skills. He can press way more weight than most men here even. He can squat probably more than 2 men.

This shit makes him a 1%'er.

I tell my own fighters to never hit normal people unless your life is in danger. Doing so will get you hit with excessive force charges, murder, manslaughter, aggravated assault, etc. Ray Rice is not a normal man. He could have killed that woman. He probably gave her a level 2 or 3 concussion. What if she has orbital bone fractures? Guys like him just cannot hit normal people unless there is a reason for them to die.

Mike Tyson sent two men to the ICU in a bar fight when they had a pipe in their hands. All those karate guys in the brick breaking championships could kill you if let them punch you in the face.

Most football, rugby, hockey players, and almost any MMA fighter are rare men who are privledged enough to attain the strength that most men will never obtain in their lifetimes. That kind of power deserves the respect that it can kill, and should be always reserved for the job. What Ray did was extremely irresponsible. Don't feel bad for him though. He should buy a few Subways and Mickey D's, hire a financial planner and put all his money into some financial vehicles and sit his ass down somewhere for a few years. He will be alright.

I was watching NatGeo recently. Male lions typically never bother to get into big fights with the females ones, not so much because they are lazy, but because they would rather save their strength for all the single and horny young males roaming around looking for a new pride to takeover. Fighting the females is not only a waste of time or energy but it's beneath them because they could kill them in a swipe. I thought it was interesting how a challenger lion just merely roughs up the females before the incumbent pride leader shows up. He popped a couple until they cried and gave up and went to go get the other male. Then when they started fighting each other, the females tried to help, but both males just ignored them. Watching other mammals dealing with their issues is always insightful I think.

[TravelerKai]

(09-09-2014 10:19 AM)getswole Wrote:  

Look at the guy, he's 100% street, he's a fighter. I'm ex-mil. You don't start them but you finish them. Overwhelming force. Not that I'd do this myself, but the guy is an animal, really? You poke this fucker in the eye and expect anything less?

Men understand consequence - let me rephrase that - real men who have experienced battle, strife and violence first hand.

The first rule of violence is overwhelming force - they guy probably has an 85 IQ. He's a fucking animal, like no one knew this?

(09-08-2014 10:38 AM)DonJuanBrown Wrote:  

Wow, seriously guys? 220 lb of solid muscle NFL stud knocks his fiancee out COLD. She hit her head on the hand rail. If he wanted to send her a message, he could have given her a Sean Connery smack. Assuming this video is 100% legit and untampered with, Rice took things way too far. This is pretty bad and Rice deserves more than just a two-game suspension.

Just goes to show that too many dudes join RVF to hate on women rather than learn how to fuck them...

Ray Rice is a Rutgers graduate. I highly highly doubt he is low IQ. I know guys that had classes with him. Before this drama they told me how fucking smart he is and all these wonderful things about him. I asked one of them a while back about Ray, and he had a hard time talking about it. It was like a close friend died or something, he was extremely dissapointed.

One thing about Ray Rice I always thought was interesting was that he once said on Jim Rome in an interview that he had never had a concussion. Not in college nor in the pros. When I heard that I laughed out loud. I thought that was complete bullshit. It's possible to have a slight level 1 concussion and not get many symptoms out of it, hence why some players can pass the concussion protocol test quickly and get back out there.

CTE's biggest issue is the way it affects judgement and decision making in the front part of the brain. For a guy that never had a concussion "allegedly", he certainly made a decision so terrible, considering his great intelligence and spotless reputation.

Then again, maybe he was an asshole that none of us knew?

[kaotic]

This just gets more and more insane, check out Janay's Rice statement:



How do you even explain this ? Stockholm syndrome ? Or maybe she really loves the guy ?

I don't get it.

[TheSlayer]

(09-09-2014 10:43 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

How do you even explain this ? Stockholm syndrome ? Or maybe she really loves the guy ?

I don't get it.

Maybe it was really an isolated incident? Maybe they had some other fight leading up to the incident and nobody knows about that? The very funny thing is Rice didn't lie and the everybody knew that he had hit her. When the actual video of him hitting her gets released there's a shitstorm. I bet TMZ/SJW are happy that Rice is out a job and the women he is married to is now with an unemployed bum.

[Chunnel]

(09-09-2014 10:40 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 10:19 AM)getswole Wrote:  

Look at the guy, he's 100% street, he's a fighter. I'm ex-mil. You don't start them but you finish them. Overwhelming force. Not that I'd do this myself, but the guy is an animal, really? You poke this fucker in the eye and expect anything less?

Men understand consequence - let me rephrase that - real men who have experienced battle, strife and violence first hand.

The first rule of violence is overwhelming force - they guy probably has an 85 IQ. He's a fucking animal, like no one knew this?

(09-08-2014 10:38 AM)DonJuanBrown Wrote:  

Wow, seriously guys? 220 lb of solid muscle NFL stud knocks his fiancee out COLD. She hit her head on the hand rail. If he wanted to send her a message, he could have given her a Sean Connery smack. Assuming this video is 100% legit and untampered with, Rice took things way too far. This is pretty bad and Rice deserves more than just a two-game suspension.

Just goes to show that too many dudes join RVF to hate on women rather than learn how to fuck them...

Ray Rice is a Rutgers graduate. I highly highly doubt he is low IQ. I know guys that had classes with him. Before this drama they told me how fucking smart he is and all these wonderful things about him. I asked one of them a while back about Ray, and he had a hard time talking about it. It was like a close friend died or something, he was extremely dissapointed.

One thing about Ray Rice I always thought was interesting was that he once said on Jim Rome in an interview that he had never had a concussion. Not in college nor in the pros. When I heard that I laughed out loud. I thought that was complete bullshit. It's possible to have a slight level 1 concussion and not get many symptoms out of it, hence why some players can pass the concussion protocol test quickly and get back out there.

CTE's biggest issue is the way it affects judgement and decision making in the front part of the brain. For a guy that never had a concussion "allegedly", he certainly made a decision so terrible, considering his great intelligence and spotless reputation.

Then again, maybe he was an asshole that none of us knew?

Not to argue semantics, but did Rice actually graduate from Rutgers? He did leave for the NFL after his junior season and was never redshirted.

Rutgers football does pride itself on graduating a very high number of its athletes (especially football players) so I would not be surprised if he took the steps after his junior season to finish his degree.