[Mizo1234]

(04-30-2018 01:21 PM)456 Wrote:  

I can appreciate the "mind-wank" and meta going on in here, but let me just relate as someone who has a self-taught (lots of hard lessons) style of sidewalk game, any-time afternoon-until-last-call + never looks like I am approaching + sniper-vs-shotgun.


Key things that helped me:

- had laid down roots in big city, thus always walked or even ambled with sense of purpose, had some light familiarity with certain venues, but also preferred areas where I knew nobody

- avoid looking like "An Obvious Approach" [do a real approach when my needle is moved, otherwise if need vibes, chat with anyone of any demog, so never seen to be "practicing anything", just existing and speaking up when appropriate]

- if no other opener, situational comment is gold. (i.e. kid selling candy on the train moves through to next car, you make eye contact with girl across the train and ponder "why don't THEY have to post calorie counts like the other franchises do?" in juust enough of a conversational tone that it's clearly to her, but not trying to "only" be to her, i.e. if she ignored it, you still would have uttered it. use eyes to provoke her to giggle and play along)

- my eyes and voice communicate "You already know me, or should know me" overtones with "I may or may not find you worth pursuing" undertones (aka assume the sale)

- i had already felt confident at "out with a girl" and "at my or her place" stages

- "el mech day game hack" mode on life: walk to the home depot, whole foods, bank, the long way through the park, get to meetings early and take the long way home. apply it to nighttime and make your own bar crawl with no outcome dependence and no approach threshold.

- Never Ever offered my name first, and avoided asking hers until she was already hard hooked. if set fizzled, happily exited as if she was someone at a house party I'd bump into again, zero expectation, never asking for number unless we already discussed what we'd do "next Tuesday"



For me my top metric was the MEANINGFUL instadate + next-time-bang. I guess I optimized for that. I'd go inside venues with zero expectations, get into state, and then have the real successes on the sidewalk / subway when there were all kinds of funny little things going on in the city, without loud music to distract.

'Here's a safe strong looking guy cracking a situational remark, I hope he flirts with me too' rather than 'This guy is approaching me'. is the vibe I want her to feel. I could have cracked the remark to nobody in particular, but it's like a plausibly deniable hook point / launch point for me to even follow up "hey you know that was witty as hell!" if she didn't laugh (maybe suits my own deadpan delivery, tune to your personality).



I've read a lot of Krau-krau over his years and agree with a lot of his intellectual framework, and his stance on "daygame is a MIRROR".

A lot of disparity in experiences and stats is having the confidence that IF YOU GET A BITE then what?

Girls bite more than we think when we put in work, and if they can't see us "leveraging" the bite, it instantly exposes that we may not know what is going on further down the road or between the sheets.


Another meta-problem is that if a guy doesn't have "basics" down, i.e.

- being comfortable not just chatting with hot girls but actively flirting AND having no expectation or "need" from them -- see DistantLight's social-circle-from-cold-approach stories)

- being comfortable once on an actual date

- decent sex experience


... if they lack the above, then the fear is that they are leaning on daygame to BE their inner/outer/everything game...


... if they have each of the above to any extent, then they can leverage daygame for it's TRUE BENEFITS (in my opinon):

- best pipeline ever, girls INSTANTLY boner+vibes+scent-approved

- best pre-sell/filter: girl has already experienced my charm in person rather than read what I hornily wrote when downloading some app

- MEET-CUTE: great story if it does not feel like it was "an approach", she and you will be proud to know it wasn't yet another T-date or J-date or OKC-date

- confidence snowballs and compounds incredibly with each success, glow can last for months when new


Again, I feel these benefits are truly realized if daygame is not your "first stop" to "having a sex life" -- one should already have some basics down, some LTR sex, some old school online game experience, decent looks and confidence about lifestyle (i.e. no need to lie or brag).


Edited again to add: if you "gamify" your life such that you are out and about, always chatty and with a smile, and really no expectations, you are in a state to Craft your Own self-tuned curriculum. Don't think guys never "strategized about women" before some perfect storm -- it's simply not true. Yes you have to Do Work, but work smart and selectively, it's not a pure numbers game if you don't stop and consider and hunt more carefully as well.

Great post. Can I ask how old are you? I just want to know how old I can keep doing day game ?

[MarshalZhukov]

Day game is the hardest form of game. I have gotten a good amount of numbers, but still have not got a date from day game. Do I feel my time was wasted ? Absolutely not. In my two years of being into game, working out, going out, it was through day game that I advanced the most in social confidence and awareness. After doing a cold approach where you have to stop a girl that is walking ..... social circle game is playing on easy mode.

[Jack Gignac]

(05-12-2018 03:05 AM)MarshalZhukov Wrote:  

Day game is the hardest form of game. I have gotten a good amount of numbers, but still have not got a date from day game. Do I feel my time was wasted ? Absolutely not. In my two years of being into game, working out, going out, it was through day game that I advanced the most in social confidence and awareness. After doing a cold approach where you have to stop a girl that is walking ..... social circle game is playing on easy mode.

I find social circle game hard. daygame you can polarize easily which makes escalation simple. social circle you also gotta keep in mind OTHER people in the dynamic. 'Are they being friendly or are they down'.

Social circle seems more pleasant on the front end though because the sting of rejection is softer on the ego cuz it's usually done with more tact.

[456]

(05-11-2018 10:43 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  

(04-30-2018 01:21 PM)456 Wrote:  

...

Great post. Can I ask how old are you? I just want to know how old I can keep doing day game ?

In my 30's... as long as you learn how to approach without it looking real obvious, than there's no limit.

Tweaking directness vs. indirectness is your own secret formula of congruent outgoingness.

[polar]

You don't have to "stop" doing game. You will just age out from young demographics eventually, unless they have a fetish (the % will decrease over time). You can extend / prolong your reach into younger demographics by taking good care of yourself as you age - eat well, sunscreen, gym...

Based on informal observation, it seems that 40-42 is the cutoff from 18-24 for most guys, fame or money aside...past that point, you need to dangle a carrot. It also seems many guys begin preferring older women, because they have more experience, better conversations, etc.

It becomes ever-tougher to relate to younger demographics due to your differing realities. You need to sell yourself as connected to their lives, and make yourself relatable. The other factor is pheromones - after a while, you'll have that "old people smell" to young folks. Nature at work.

The last thing I'll say is that my anecdotal experience shows that most old, lifelong players (over 45, never married, no intentions) are bitter and set in their ways. By that age, they're kind of locked in, as their tastes are skewed towards YHT, but will never get commitment from that caliber, unless it's transactional with girls from the 3rd world or something. In my opinion, not a good way to have to live out the entire second half of your life.

[456]

(05-12-2018 12:14 PM)polar Wrote:  

...The other factor is pheromones - after a while, you'll have that "old people smell" to young folks. Nature at work...

^-- quite possibly the scariest argument about "the wall for men" I've ever read -- everything else seems under our control. Old Guy Scent?!? I laughed and said "oh no!" out loud to that. We think about conscious old folk smell when they are 75+ but the idea of it sneaking out in a 40-something guy's pheromones is hilariously awful.

(05-12-2018 12:14 PM)polar Wrote:  

The last thing I'll say is that my anecdotal experience shows that most old, lifelong players (over 45, never married, no intentions) are bitter and set in their ways. By that age, they're kind of locked in, as their tastes are skewed towards YHT, but will never get commitment from that caliber, unless it's transactional with girls from the 3rd world or something. In my opinion, not a good way to have to live out the entire second half of your life.

^-- also a little scary, man! I feel myself becoming more set in my ways as I age, but not bitter yet. I can definitely feel how calcified one can become if not aware and actively trying to shake it.

I wonder if any older players (60s+) settle down without a wife+kids, and without the need to chase the world for YHT. As in, "mgtow-ish" but old enough not to feel like a sacrifice.

I imagine one would need great community vibes and friendships in such a case.

[wonderman]

(05-10-2018 10:16 PM)Jack Gignac Wrote:  

I think it's one of the best if you're in a city with a lot of pedestrians. eg) London, Toronto, Montreal, New York City & many more European cities.

Reason being

1) unfair advantage = most guys don't have the balls to do it so instant alpha switch in the girls mind (demonstrates unconventionality, boldness etc.).

2) you can catch girls totally by themselves unlike clubs and this makes things way easier as you get the authentic girl more times than her watered down groupthink.

3) dating apps are only generously 20% of women and women generally do not go for guys as much cold from instagram or facebook and not all girls go to clubs/bars so you're getting an extra 80% of market share that other guys don't have.

those are 3 huge points & I kinda hesitate to post this cuz I want this rationale all to myself but eh good karma.

I understand your point of view but I have 20 years of daygame/online experience. When I simply look at the time I have to spend, online game is way more efficient than daygame. Yes of course, women find it attactive that you have the courage to say hi, yes you have the advantage of avoiding the group-factor and yes, online means lots of competition.

However, when I approach women via daygame, they mostly ask whether I do that all the time. They are quite sure that I approach other women as well, they simply don't believe that me approaching them could lead to more than sex. Daygame is much more efficient at less frequented places (authenticity factor), but you don't go to such places for daygame, as you won't be able to approach often enough.

So it's definitely not one of the best ways to meet woman. It is socially much more accepted to meet women online (at least here in Switzerland). It is much more efficient for me to find dates via Tinder, although most girls say I'm good looking (they just say that, I guess I'm average).

So, to be specific about your points: this "alpha switch" is good, but not that important.. much more important is to be able to convey that you really ARE interested in the girl you just approached (although you already approached 10 other girls and all of them turned you down).

Daygame is probably the worst way to meet women in regard to efficiency. But only daygame/nightgame creates the hormone cocktail that makes you going through the whole adventure with all the highs and lows. That hormone cocktail alone is it worth it.

But if you are purely economically thinking about this, daygame/nightgame is definitely the worst way to meet women. If you had enough money, you could invest in ghost writers who'd organize 1-2 dates per day (ideally switching to a new city every few weeks). So you could easily have 2x sex/week. You just need the money to invest in a ghost writer. Unclear how A.I. will change that scenario in the future.. maybe text game won't be possible anymore soon as the A.I. will advance extremely fast..

p.s. most guys look better in real life than on (tinder) pictures.. this is absolutely crazy and unbelievable.. as long as you don't have at least 1 or 2 good looking pictures from you, you can't really discuss on that topic as your online experience won't be as good as it should and could be.. I am an average looking person but my pics are probably quite good, as I don't have lots of problems getting matches on tinder (my age is the bigger problem, most younger girls don't wanna date a 36 old guy).

[ksbms]

(02-24-2018 05:57 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

If you think this is required to get girls in the day then how did any of us get GFs when we were younger? Through the "tribal" social circle. So much has to be learned to be successful at day game because it goes against millions of years of evolution in terms of how men have always met women. Anonymity of modern cities and people "outside" the tribe are new phenomena. You could take this girl on 5 dates and in the end she doesn't give a fuck, she will choose familiarity nearly all the time.

Let me smash your conjecture into millions of tiny pieces in one sentence.

Had it been truly the case that women engage in sex predominantly with men who are verified through social nodes, online dating would have never got as successful as it is.

[ksbms]

(05-13-2018 05:46 AM)wonderman Wrote:  

However, when I approach women via daygame, they mostly ask whether I do that all the time. They are quite sure that I approach other women as well, they simply don't believe that me approaching them could lead to more than sex.

If they ask you, then you need to run self-diagnostics and recalibrate the approach which is probably overly mechanistic at the moment. The question itself is hilarious (what man does one approach per year, be it day time, bar, online, or what have you?). Of course, any man who wants to be successful with women will need to put in work approaching women. Some more, some less, but no-one hits the one-to-one ratio.

The question 'Do you do that all the time,' in ideal situation, should not have been put forward by a girl but all is not lost! The good news, you can and actually should interpret as a fitness test. Own it. Don't hide your dick. It's a manly thing to pursue women one perceives them as attractive. With a modicum of creativity you can smash right through it. Let me provide a few examples that you can peruse in the future, Wonderman.

Thorny girl: Do you do that all the time?
Wonderman: Only when I'm single.

Thorny girl: Do you do that all the time?
Wonderman: (Looking piercingly into Thorny girls' eyes) Yes, I'm a man with big balls/high testosterone/exquisite taste, etc.

Thorny girl: Do you do that all the time?
Wonderman: Does it make me a bad man? (credit: Krauser)

Thorny girl: Do you do that all the time?
Wonderman: You wish. It's your lucky day.

Thorny girl: Do you do that all the time?
Wonderman: Only when I see a sexy glimmer in a girl's eyes.

Thorny girl: Do you do that all the time?
Wonderman: (Ignoring the question) Is all your hair real?

You get the picture, I hope.

(05-13-2018 05:46 AM)wonderman Wrote:  

Daygame is probably the worst way to meet women in regard to efficiency. But only daygame/nightgame creates the hormone cocktail that makes you going through the whole adventure with all the highs and lows. That hormone cocktail alone is it worth it.

There's no way for me to swipe through 10 profiles to get a date with a 7+ girl. Doing daygame, yes, i can have 1 to 10 date ratio (still not there in terms of closing the full deal). So, I'd err on the side the efficiency per "approach" better day time, though, admittedly, not in terms of number of approaches per minute.

I'm with you about the hormone cocktail. A proper do-or-die roller coster of emotions which makes me feel fully alive. I do day game for the experience as such. My D in her V is just a cherry on top. If you don't enjoy the process as such, you or anyone else for that matter will struggle in day game, for the attrition rate is so high for a simple reason - your perceived SMV is (much) higher than it really is, for a majority of men and re-building it to ever greater heights take (painful) time and resources. It truly is a humbling experience most men can't stomach. To iterate - you need to enjoy the (future) experience. Experiencing the flow can be an amazing state of being. Having banged a beautiful girl out of it only turbocharges it. The exhilaration post-bang is probably comparable only to winning state-wide election, scoring a goal in Championships League final or making $100 millions buck on a business deal. It really can be that great.

[wonderman]

Quote:

You get the picture, I hope.

I guess, yes . Thanks for your feedback! However, words only play a little role in the whole situation. I always try to psychologically put me into the situation as this would be my first approach ever, in order to convey authenticity. But however, a woman's brain is a supercomputer, analyzing millions of things in a few seconds. So I guess I just can't fake it, most of them just intuitively know that I am a guy who likes to flirt.

But as I said, in my opinion, the daygame location is super important. In my eyes, probably the most important factor. Whenever she knows that it has to be a spontaneous approach (away from the crowd of people), my chances of success are so much higher. So to be successful at daygame, I either need more time so that I can spend more time walking at less frequented places, or I just do passive daygame, which is very effective, but again, less of a hormone cocktail party.

[wonderman]

(05-13-2018 07:02 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 05:57 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

If you think this is required to get girls in the day then how did any of us get GFs when we were younger? Through the "tribal" social circle. So much has to be learned to be successful at day game because it goes against millions of years of evolution in terms of how men have always met women. Anonymity of modern cities and people "outside" the tribe are new phenomena. You could take this girl on 5 dates and in the end she doesn't give a fuck, she will choose familiarity nearly all the time.

Let me smash your conjecture into millions of tiny pieces in one sentence.

Had it been truly the case that women engage in sex predominantly with men who are verified through social nodes, online dating would have never got as successful as it is.

But he said daygame. Online dating is socially accepted, but daygame is still being seen as a rather strange form for meeting new people, at least where I live, in Switzerland. But of course only for younger girls (-25). Older women (40+) don't make a big difference between being approached on- or offline. The only problem I have when approaching milfs is that other people are staring at me because they see the age gap (milfs around 50).

I guess younger girls have problems with daygame because they ask themselves (unconsciously), whether such guys aren't able to get girlfriends via social circle. Yes the right words and mindset can help here a little bit, but I think these girls decide (unconsciously) within the first seconds whether they want to spend time with you or not. Therefore, I live in the "it's mainly a numbers game" universe. But whatever, just my irrelevant opinion :-D.

[MaceTyrell]

I’ve found daybang to be infinitely more useful to me than bang.

Daygame’s “return on investment” is much better than Nightgame’s, at least to me.

[The Catalyst]

Some more observations in the field:

It's close to winter right now, and there's a drastic reduction in the quantity of decent girls(I'm guessing 4-5x less) in Auckland. All things being equal I'd probably pause daygame for now. However, everything else is also worse, ie friends, events, swimming, tanning. There aren't very many girls to begin with so this is relatively devastating.

From now, I'll try never approaching a girl walking over a certain speed. I would often take speed into account, along with factors such as hotness, her being by herself, seeming "open", and IOIs in rare cases, but it would be new to me to completely ignore fast moving girls. This speed threshold will be lower if she's walking away from the city centre and into public transport, because it's just going to be that much harder if she's rushing to catch her bus/train. Walking fast really increases my heartrate and makes me more tired, so much so that after 4 hours or so of fast walking on and off I'm utterly slammed. I need to maintain discipline and walk as slow as possible unless absolutely necessary rather than throw away my fast walking energy for no reason, so I can more sustainably do daygame throughout the session. It also increases my AA because of the increased heartrate. The major downside is in rush hour in late afternoon, that's pretty much all/most of the viable targets- walking super fast to the train station. I think it's better to keep it cool and ideally wait for girls in the opposite direction(from transport, walking into the city). If I'm not tired I can probably do little sprints to catch girls quicker as well, rather than always having to "chase" when my legs are giving way from already power walked for kilometres beforehand.

When I'm in the flow of things and relatively vigilant and mildly stressed in the moment it's so tempting for me to keep walking and not eat. But I think all this walking and daygaming itself is energy draining, so I need to keep my blood sugar high and/or keep my brain filled with glucose. Right now following the London Daygame Model is still really cognitively demanding- I need as much focus and concentration as possible in order to be functional enough to figure out good things to say and keep the vibe strong. (Otherwise I get relatively flustered- it would be tempting to take shortcuts and just flat out tell her I like her and expect her to help me out, rather than me building the attraction/vibe as normal) At the same time, Kiwis just bleed you when selling food(or anything really). So it's important for me to pack food in my daygame session and even if I'm not hungry and dislike the idea of eating, just force myself to just sit down and shove my mouth if I feel "low" or empty, just so I have the energy.

Recently I've been getting more "that's really confident/bold of you to do this, I have a boyfriend/partner, but keep it up and you'll eventually find something" reactions. They seem to genuinely think that, especially since Kiwis never approach(not exaggerating). But I've had maybe 200+ approaches before this and it's only been really common recently, about 3 of the last 5 approaches said that. I don't know if this is good or bad though. Maybe I've been hiding my intent/shielding my ego all the other times and so the girl really didn't feel "hit on". But also maybe I'm leaning too "nice guy" or K selected. On one hand I definitely feel I've improved but it's real weird how it feels like I've basically been "friendzoned" in a way I wasn't before. I guess I also appreciate the compliments but I don't actually feel particularly confident I just feel that I'm damaged enough psychologically that I went through the process of learning daygame and basically am now just following the model. I suppose most guys just can't take the hit to the ego though.

[JekyllAndHyde]

(05-16-2018 05:57 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Some more observations in the field:

It's close to winter right now, and there's a drastic reduction in the quantity of decent girls(I'm guessing 4-5x less) in Auckland. All things being equal I'd probably pause daygame for now. However, everything else is also worse, ie friends, events, swimming, tanning. There aren't very many girls to begin with so this is relatively devastating.

From now, I'll try never approaching a girl walking over a certain speed. I would often take speed into account, along with factors such as hotness, her being by herself, seeming "open", and IOIs in rare cases, but it would be new to me to completely ignore fast moving girls. This speed threshold will be lower if she's walking away from the city centre and into public transport, because it's just going to be that much harder if she's rushing to catch her bus/train. Walking fast really increases my heartrate and makes me more tired, so much so that after 4 hours or so of fast walking on and off I'm utterly slammed. I need to maintain discipline and walk as slow as possible unless absolutely necessary rather than throw away my fast walking energy for no reason, so I can more sustainably do daygame throughout the session. It also increases my AA because of the increased heartrate. The major downside is in rush hour in late afternoon, that's pretty much all/most of the viable targets- walking super fast to the train station. I think it's better to keep it cool and ideally wait for girls in the opposite direction(from transport, walking into the city). If I'm not tired I can probably do little sprints to catch girls quicker as well, rather than always having to "chase" when my legs are giving way from already power walked for kilometres beforehand.

When I'm in the flow of things and relatively vigilant and mildly stressed in the moment it's so tempting for me to keep walking and not eat. But I think all this walking and daygaming itself is energy draining, so I need to keep my blood sugar high and/or keep my brain filled with glucose. Right now following the London Daygame Model is still really cognitively demanding- I need as much focus and concentration as possible in order to be functional enough to figure out good things to say and keep the vibe strong. (Otherwise I get relatively flustered- it would be tempting to take shortcuts and just flat out tell her I like her and expect her to help me out, rather than me building the attraction/vibe as normal) At the same time, Kiwis just bleed you when selling food(or anything really). So it's important for me to pack food in my daygame session and even if I'm not hungry and dislike the idea of eating, just force myself to just sit down and shove my mouth if I feel "low" or empty, just so I have the energy.

Recently I've been getting more "that's really confident/bold of you to do this, I have a boyfriend/partner, but keep it up and you'll eventually find something" reactions. They seem to genuinely think that, especially since Kiwis never approach(not exaggerating). But I've had maybe 200+ approaches before this and it's only been really common recently, about 3 of the last 5 approaches said that. I don't know if this is good or bad though. Maybe I've been hiding my intent/shielding my ego all the other times and so the girl really didn't feel "hit on". But also maybe I'm leaning too "nice guy" or K selected. On one hand I definitely feel I've improved but it's real weird how it feels like I've basically been "friendzoned" in a way I wasn't before. I guess I also appreciate the compliments but I don't actually feel particularly confident I just feel that I'm damaged enough psychologically that I went through the process of learning daygame and basically am now just following the model. I suppose most guys just can't take the hit to the ego though.

When chatting up girls I don't consciously think of this London Daygame Model per se but rather get her interested enough in me so I can take her out the next time if not on the spot and then being firm with my intentions and then escalate for a bang sooner or later.

With the walking and running I found it's more a fitness thing as I perform very well on a beep test.
If there are enough girls I can just approach at a leisurely pace but I guess depending on where you are if there's less girls I'd imagine you'd have to be more persistent and proactive with getting their attention as smoothly as possible.
At the end of the day, daytime approaches is one method out of a diverse range including night time approaches, online apps or social circles.
I'd utilise all these available methods but invest more in what works better for me.

I just pack extra lunch for lunchtime so I don't have to eat when I'm out approaching late in the afternoon and I am not in the mood to pay exorbitant prices.

If I start going direct and flirty I carry it through a little while because there's no use hiding it.

Much of it is trial and error but someone else could chime in.

[The Catalyst]

(05-16-2018 07:46 AM)JekyllAndHyde Wrote:  

When chatting up girls I don't consciously think of this London Daygame Model per se but rather get her interested enough in me so I can take her out the next time if not on the spot and then being firm with my intentions and then escalate for a bang sooner or later.

With the walking and running I found it's more a fitness thing as I perform very well on a beep test.
If there are enough girls I can just approach at a leisurely pace but I guess depending on where you are if there's less girls I'd imagine you'd have to be more persistent and proactive with getting their attention as smoothly as possible.

Functionally I'm not skilled/creative enough to do it on my own, so basically the Model is proxy for getting her interested in me. I have to familiarise myself with and internalise the model, and learn how to tease and stack properly without thinking eventually.

It's true, daygame and walking a lot has made me fitter than I used to be. I can probably walk kilometres slowly but if I do it briskly it's just too unsustainable.

[AceP]

(05-13-2018 05:46 AM)wonderman Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 10:16 PM)Jack Gignac Wrote:  

I think it's one of the best if you're in a city with a lot of pedestrians. eg) London, Toronto, Montreal, New York City & many more European cities.

Reason being

1) unfair advantage = most guys don't have the balls to do it so instant alpha switch in the girls mind (demonstrates unconventionality, boldness etc.).

2) you can catch girls totally by themselves unlike clubs and this makes things way easier as you get the authentic girl more times than her watered down groupthink.

3) dating apps are only generously 20% of women and women generally do not go for guys as much cold from instagram or facebook and not all girls go to clubs/bars so you're getting an extra 80% of market share that other guys don't have.

those are 3 huge points & I kinda hesitate to post this cuz I want this rationale all to myself but eh good karma.

I understand your point of view but I have 20 years of daygame/online experience. When I simply look at the time I have to spend, online game is way more efficient than daygame. Yes of course, women find it attactive that you have the courage to say hi, yes you have the advantage of avoiding the group-factor and yes, online means lots of competition.

However, when I approach women via daygame, they mostly ask whether I do that all the time. They are quite sure that I approach other women as well, they simply don't believe that me approaching them could lead to more than sex. Daygame is much more efficient at less frequented places (authenticity factor), but you don't go to such places for daygame, as you won't be able to approach often enough.

So it's definitely not one of the best ways to meet woman. It is socially much more accepted to meet women online (at least here in Switzerland). It is much more efficient for me to find dates via Tinder, although most girls say I'm good looking (they just say that, I guess I'm average).

So, to be specific about your points: this "alpha switch" is good, but not that important.. much more important is to be able to convey that you really ARE interested in the girl you just approached (although you already approached 10 other girls and all of them turned you down).

Daygame is probably the worst way to meet women in regard to efficiency. But only daygame/nightgame creates the hormone cocktail that makes you going through the whole adventure with all the highs and lows. That hormone cocktail alone is it worth it.

But if you are purely economically thinking about this, daygame/nightgame is definitely the worst way to meet women. If you had enough money, you could invest in ghost writers who'd organize 1-2 dates per day (ideally switching to a new city every few weeks). So you could easily have 2x sex/week. You just need the money to invest in a ghost writer. Unclear how A.I. will change that scenario in the future.. maybe text game won't be possible anymore soon as the A.I. will advance extremely fast..

p.s. most guys look better in real life than on (tinder) pictures.. this is absolutely crazy and unbelievable.. as long as you don't have at least 1 or 2 good looking pictures from you, you can't really discuss on that topic as your online experience won't be as good as it should and could be.. I am an average looking person but my pics are probably quite good, as I don't have lots of problems getting matches on tinder (my age is the bigger problem, most younger girls don't wanna date a 36 old guy).

While I do not completely disagree with your arguments made. I would like to clarify certain things. By talking "efficiency" I assume you are talking about notches, getting the highest return (bang) for least about amount of effort. This is most of the cases true.

Then again what is the HB quality are you looking for? If you're looking to bang average-lower than your standard quality, and up that notch count, then yes, onlinegame is the most powerful tool for it.

But when you start competing for those HB 7s 8s 9s onlinegame falters in my opinion because they'll be out looking for either the 10s perfect Chads or Saudi Arabian princes which the average man will almost have no-chance in competing against their DHV.

[nola]

What are 10s perfect Chads?

Since when did the Saudi Royal family enter game.? when you're worth trillions you don't go run street game. You'll have whores on salary.

I think you're mistaking the Royals for Turkish or regular Middle Eastern guys wearing bedazzled jeans and T-shirts in clubs that spend $200 on spreads of old fruit and and California Rolls.

These are not royalty. They are trust-fund babies with no game. Go sit at their tables, eat their food and talk to their whores, all the "princes" will do is give you a mean look and go tell the security to ask you to leave them alone.

It's called a free Eastern Europen meal. They'll all take selfies and end up calling escort services after the girls go home to their parents.

[AceP]

(05-16-2018 05:03 PM)nola Wrote:  

Since when did the Saudi Royal family enter game.? when you're worth trillions you don't go run street game. You'll have whores on salary.

I am not sure if you read my post correctly or misunderstood. I didn't not mean Saudi Arabian princes doing daygame, yes that would almost be unheard of.

I mean in online game. Saudi Princes are more than capable of hitting up the HB9-10 instagram models and inviting them to come to their palaces for a paid-vacation trip. And she would pick that over "this above average looking guy from tinder".

[wonderman]

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Then again what is the HB quality are you looking for?

I guess I mostly enjoyed level 4-6, maybe two or three level 7 girls. Somehow crazy, as I have been single for my whole life (for the last 20 years) and most girls tell me I am attractive (at least I got a 100% attractive rating on photofeeler after 44 votes) I guess I could or should have learned so much more in all those years ;-)

At least I tried it. I guess I easily approached a few hundred level 8+ girls in my life. So at least I tried. In regard to nightgame: I must admit I never invested too much time in level 8+ girls, I just never thought I'd have any chance. So I prefered flirting here and there. Prefered the immediate adrenaline rush over the outcome. At least I enjoyed lots of testo-boosts (I suffered from getting blue balls quite often, in clubs :-D)

Maybe I should hire a coach. Or meet some roosh forum members. Then again, I can't remember seeing too many guys in my life approaching a level 8+ girl on the street. Ok, there aren't too many level 8+ girls walking around, so the chances you see a level 8+ live pick up once in your life is probably quite small .

[nola]

(05-16-2018 06:30 PM)AceP Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 05:03 PM)nola Wrote:  

Since when did the Saudi Royal family enter game.? when you're worth trillions you don't go run street game. You'll have whores on salary.

I am not sure if you read my post correctly or misunderstood. I didn't not mean Saudi Arabian princes doing daygame, yes that would almost be unheard of.

I mean in online game. Saudi Princes are more than capable of hitting up the HB9-10 instagram models and inviting them to come to their palaces for a paid-vacation trip. And she would pick that over "this above average looking guy from tinder".

I'm sure I read your post correctly.

[Philosopher]

Nightgame - 7 bangs
Daygame - Lost count (over 40)

The only advantage of night game is if your apartment is withing walking distance from the club and is in Eastern Europe (Read Possy Paradise).

[TripleG]

Daygame is the worst type of game for meeting women for guys who are not good looking. It does not matter how strong one's game is but if a guys is 5-7", with bad facial features then he can do little about how the girl will respond and if she will want to give her number after meeting this guy after 5 minutes on a street...

Trust me, but for those of us who are not "tall, dark, handsome" online game and night game are better options. For those guys who keep claiming on these forums that they are doing well due to day game, they are either living in area's where the demographics are in their favor (more women than men) or they are blessed with good genetics.

[The Catalyst]

(05-24-2018 09:46 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

Daygame is the worst type of game for meeting women for guys who are not good looking. It does not matter how strong one's game is but if a guys is 5-7", with bad facial features then he can do little about how the girl will respond and if she will want to give her number after meeting this guy after 5 minutes on a street...

Trust me, but for those of us who are not "tall, dark, handsome" online game and night game are better options. For those guys who keep claiming on these forums that they are doing well due to day game, they are either living in area's where the demographics are in their favor (more women than men) or they are blessed with good genetics.

Pretty sure online is worse if you're not attractive.

[tobehero]

Yes daygame is a horrible way to meet woman. Do not do it! Leave the streets for the rest of us

[TripleG]

If one is not attractive online is still fine as you can always tinker with your photos or exaggerate a bit some stats, for example height, income, education, etc.