[horn]

Complimenting a woman's footwear used to be my go-to daytime move in NYC. Maybe I should re-hash that, since it worked pretty well.

[Mister X]

(08-04-2014 05:03 PM)robreke Wrote:  

In my experience, shields are lower during the day. Much lower.

Oh I agree. I meant...shields in the sense of that initial -- "who is this strange man approaching me" shield. But that goes away quickly with the right opening.

It also probably depends on the circumstances in which you open her. If she has headphones on walking down the street and you ask her to take them off and say something like "I just wanted to say you're really pretty," you may get blown out. Or maybe she's polite and says thank you but then keeps walking.

But if she's at a table sitting by herself and you walk up and ask her something about the book she's reading or some other soft opener, she's not gonna shriek and run around and cause a scene. I can't remember what book it was but one dude who wrote about day game said something like, a lot of dudes have AA because they don't want to be rejected in public and for there to be a scene, but what they don't realize is that girls don't want a scene either. Even if she's not into you, at worst, you're gonna get one word answers and you eject. She's not gonna yell "get the fuck out of here you creeper!" at a starbucks. It's not happening.

But I agree shields are worse in night game which is one of many reasons I don't night game. It's not just shields though. Day game requires little to no money at all. If you're going to a popular nightclub, you're more than likely paying a cover, as well as an overpriced drink or two. Not to mention girls travel in packs and often just go there to get eye fucked but are not actually open to talking to anyone, their attention span is minimized so you can talk to her, go to the bathroom, come back and she's gone, as well as any number of cock blocking situations from a jealous friend of hers, to a friend so plastered she needs your target to take her home.

I could go on and on but the fact of the matter is, no "game" is perfect. Day game may not be for everyone, night game might not be for everyone, online game may not be for everyone, social circle game may not be for everyone, but you need SOME sort of game. Find your niche. Day game works for me and night game doesn't. So I stick with day game.

[Libertas]

(08-04-2014 05:03 PM)robreke Wrote:  

In my experience, shields are lower during the day. Much lower.

Same.

I vastly prefer day game. I never liked clubs/bars to begin with.

- You don't need to compete with the loud, often horrible music to have a conversation.
- You aren't competing with 50 other dicks. Approaching during the day is rare and requires a lot of confidence. It makes you stand out.
- Girls are often by themselves. You don't have to worry about cockblockers during the day.

These are three huge advantages that makes day game my preferred method of cold approaching. There's also a bonus in that if you can get over the approach anxiety of day game, approaching during the night is tremendously easier.

As for the shields of "who is this strange man approaching me," it's never been an issue for me. If you look good and approach normally, it is not present, and hasn't been in my experience. The bitchiest reaction I've ever gotten was this girl asking me with a cuntish voice "why?" when I said I wanted to say hi to her.

The biggest advantage that night game has over day game is that you'll find a higher frequency of girls that are DTF because that's what those places are for. Flaking is a problem during the day.

Ultimately you should want to master or at least get competent at all the different forms of game so that you have the most options, but I've stuck with mainly day game so far.

[Teddykgb]

It's funny how when you start trying to game a girl during the day and other people are around they automatically shut up and pretend like they aren't paying attention but you can tell they are eavesdropping like a motherfucker.

[civpro]

(08-04-2014 07:39 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

The biggest advantage that night game has over day game is that you'll find a higher frequency of girls that are DTF because that's what those places are for. Flaking is a problem during the day.

Nightgame allows for getting physical that very night, yes.

But what about simple nighttime number closes. Are nighttime number closes less flaky than daytime ones?

[blacknwhitespade]

I sort of began stumbling across Day Game myself starting a few years ago when, like Roosh, I was also spending a lot of time in Starbucks studying and job hunting. I developed my approach, personal question, and rambling skills. Mentioning things in passing, that's key, I learned that as well years ago. I just never had a structured template like Roosh has devised in Day Bang. His "Galnuc" routine is brilliant for escalation and closing. I'm glad I now have these pointers to make it happen with these girls I meet during the day, and yes, girls are least expecting to be approached during the day, shields are much, much lower than in a night venue.

As far as difficulty, I suppose it depends on what type of personality you have. If you're like me and (slightly) older, introverted, a bit cultured, Day Game is probably going to be your bread and butter. You do have to work demographics in your favor and find and start frequenting the right neighborhoods/venues where the talent you so desire conjugates. I've never really tried night game since the club scene was never really my thing. I do go to bars just to socialize with friends or unwind from a rough day and have stumbled across opportunities, but I do not care for the type of women you meet in bars.

[Travesty]

I honestly don't think you can give day game a fair opinion until you hit around the 500 approach mark.

There is something more thrilling for me to meet a girl in the grocery store or on the bus and be banging her 3 days later.

It feels like a super power.

Online and night bangs to me feel more like even if I succeed it is not as big of a deal.

Girls at night or online are planning to get banged, why I enjoy banging a girl in an environment where she isn't looking for it?

I think it is because I feel like the buyer. Where if she is expecting it at night or online I feel like the seller.

I feel more powerful when encountering success.

[Mister X]

(08-05-2014 12:33 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I think it is because I feel like the buyer. Where if she is expecting it at night or online I feel like the seller.

Great, great point. I feel the same.

Nightclub you're competing with all sorts of dudes that are often times trying hard (sometimes at a comical level) to display value, run game, etc.

Day game it's you and her. Most guys are not going to approach a girl in day time. It's less of a sausage fest by a significant margin.

I also think it's more flattering to her to be picked up in day, without the guy being tipsy, without her looking her best and sexiest.

She's usually wearing less make up, sweaty after a yoga class, or in regular clothes at some coffee shop minding her own business. She's not expecting a guy to approach her. So she's like "wow, this guy finds me attractive and I look like shit."

I don't want to get into mental masturbation theory here but there are just a lot of positives to day gaming. But I hope most guys read this thread and get discouraged. Wouldn't mind thinning the herd a little and being the only guy to do it

[Eddie Winslow]

(08-05-2014 01:48 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 12:33 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I think it is because I feel like the buyer. Where if she is expecting it at night or online I feel like the seller.

I also think it's more flattering to her to be picked up in day, without the guy being tipsy, without her looking her best and sexiest.

She's usually wearing less make up, sweaty after a yoga class, or in regular clothes at some coffee shop minding her own business. She's not expecting a guy to approach her. So she's like "wow, this guy finds me attractive and I look like shit."

How often do guys go to a nightclub and meet a girl, only to get her out on a date (or wake up next to her the next morning) and say "Wow, this girl is even sexier than I remember!"

When you daygame that sweaty, no make-up chick from the gym and get HER out on a date - that better-than-I-thought experience is the norm.

The first or second time I met up with a girl I daygamed, I walked towards the bar, admiring a stunning blonde who was on her phone. Only when she made extended eye contact did I realize that she was the girl I was there to meet. Banging a drunk slut from the bar or cleverly texting your way to a Tinder meetup is fun and will impress your peers, but if it's all you do, you're robbing yourself.

[bojangles]

(08-04-2014 03:22 PM)Pinocchio Wrote:  

'Going out to day game for day game's sake is pitiful and boring as I noted in my 100 Approaches Thread.'

disagree, it's very efficient if you know how. went out this evening after work 5 stops, 3 numbers.

yesterday's work is already flowing in.

Definitely, I go out daygaming just for the sake of daygaming but then again I'm not in the States and I'm surrounded by hot women when I do. That looks like a London Daygame Model opening text there haha

[Giovonny]

"Worst" is a very subjective. It just depends on the man and his lifestyle & game.

For some guys, day game is the worst way to meet girls.. For other guys, it's the best way.

Game ability, location, lifestyle, and appearance all play a factor.

I like day game because it fits into my lifestyle. I don't enjoy going out at night, I don't drink, I go to bed early.

There is really no right or wrong answer.

Do what you like, do what works for you.

Here is something I wrote 2 years ago:

"Walking around the city for hours day gaming can be a waste of time.

But, day gaming as you are going about your normal business is a more productive option.

Be ready as soon as you walk out your front door. Bus, train, subway, coffee shop, cafe, restaurant, work, lunch break, smoke break, gym, grocery store, mall, sidewalk. You don't have to make time for day game. Just be ready to talk during the day.

I admit, you have to talk to alot of girls to get laid, but, the more you do it the better you get and its alot of fun. (for me)

If you feel some type of emotional cost from rejection then you are taking it to serious. Have fun with it and develop thicker skin. When my dad died I got emotional, when a girl rejects me, it doesn't even register on my emotional radar. "

[horn]

I would say one issue for some guys for Day Game is they are just too introverted. I am a born talker, so it's easier to start a chat-up. If she's not down, if I blow it somehow, no problem. NEXT.

[Sebastian]

It's because that's against a social norm meaning you rarely see a guy cold approaching a woman in public.
They are curious about how it's going to turn out.
Risks are high in this environment. If you walk out with her number, then you are going to feel like a rock star. If it goes south, then you would want to disappear in the earth at that moment.

(08-04-2014 11:31 PM)Teddykgb Wrote:  

It's funny how when you start trying to game a girl during the day and other people are around they automatically shut up and pretend like they aren't paying attention but you can tell they are eavesdropping like a motherfucker.

[WestIndianArchie]

(08-05-2014 01:48 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

She's usually wearing less make up, sweaty after a yoga class, or in regular clothes at some coffee shop minding her own business. She's not expecting a guy to approach her. So she's like "wow, this guy finds me attractive and I look like shit."

I don't know what kind of girls you guys go after, but most broads aren't going about their day unmolested by cats trying to get at them.

Even Fat and Ugly bitches get hollered at (though not competently or seriously)

If a chick is worth banging, best believe you aren't the first one to realize, or the first one that day.

If she's youngish and wearing shorts or something show-off-y - she's being approached.

Young professional, she's getting glances and walk ups.

Milf status, couple of leers if not a comment or two.

Just cause you didn't see it happen, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It only ends when she hits the WALL.

Somewhere after being a cougar, but before she becomes a little old lady/granny "worthy" of attention and protection.

WIA

[pros80]

(08-07-2014 05:37 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 01:48 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

She's usually wearing less make up, sweaty after a yoga class, or in regular clothes at some coffee shop minding her own business. She's not expecting a guy to approach her. So she's like "wow, this guy finds me attractive and I look like shit."

I don't know what kind of girls you guys go after, but most broads aren't going about their day unmolested by cats trying to get at them.

Even Fat and Ugly bitches get hollered at (though not competently or seriously)

If a chick is worth banging, best believe you aren't the first one to realize, or the first one that day.

If she's youngish and wearing shorts or something show-off-y - she's being approached.

Young professional, she's getting glances and walk ups.

Milf status, couple of leers if not a comment or two.

Just cause you didn't see it happen, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It only ends when she hits the WALL.

Somewhere after being a cougar, but before she becomes a little old lady/granny "worthy" of attention and protection.

WIA

True,

This also applies to most guys, there is always some girl thatwants to bang you, even if you don't reciprocate the interest. Even when you think your game and looks at at their lowest, there is always some girl that will bang you tonight.

[Mr. Butterworth]

it's not "the worst" by any means. however, I will say that it can be a bit vexing at times for me. simply because I date those that are not the same skin tone as I am.

most of the time they're instantly or seem to be instantly on guard. and of course my success rate automatically drops because of the whole interracial taboo of it all.... but when I get one..Mmmmmmhmm it's so good.

I like the ones with small sample sized experience in "that area". which again, makes it the must more difficult.

[unbowed]

I find daygame meditative. I like being out and about with no agenda on my mind, wandering through the city and soaking everything in. As my mind frees up, my vibe resonates more. And by not being stuck to a schedule, I can make use of an idate or SDL opportunity.

Sure there are times when you're hustling and you may get a quick #, but that # has a higher chance of flaking. You do a quick # close to 'save time' you may be spending time later going through text gymnastics trying to get the girl out (lots of attraction but no real comfort established). Whereas if you had time to enjoy and tease out the interaction, you would have a more solid connection.

Making time for daygame gives me a sense of freedom. I don't feel free if I have to be "on" all the time - that's too much pressure. Do we need to run clown game in the daytime now too? It's ok to be "off" if that's what you feel at the moment. Your vibe doesn't have to be high energy, but it does have to be present. And a good way to be present is not to constrain yourself with future worries.

If you're serious about daygame, it shouldn't be penciled in. It's not "beta" to want to make time to meet women. I'd rather pencil in my errands; I'm sure Whole Foods is not going to run out of broccoli.

(08-07-2014 05:37 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

I don't know what kind of girls you guys go after, but most broads aren't going about their day unmolested by cats trying to get at them.

If a chick is worth banging, best believe you aren't the first one to realize, or the first one that day.

Just cause you didn't see it happen, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

WIA

A guy just has to walk up and down union square in nyc to see how much attention an attractive girl can get. Between the bootcamps, chuggers, hare krishna, snake oil salesmen, and other assortment of characters, she's not hurting for attention.

Numbers game includes how fried her circuits are from the thirst encountered that day + her willingness to entertain your (charming) novelty.

[Vaun]

(08-06-2014 12:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

But, day gaming as you are going about your normal business is a more productive option.

Thats it for me. Its lifestyle game. I keep my head up and eyes open, and approach every day. I live in a place where I can, and would be stupid not to. SDL's are reality. If I lived in a depressing small town I may feel otherwise.

[Travesty]

(08-07-2014 05:37 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 01:48 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

She's usually wearing less make up, sweaty after a yoga class, or in regular clothes at some coffee shop minding her own business. She's not expecting a guy to approach her. So she's like "wow, this guy finds me attractive and I look like shit."

I don't know what kind of girls you guys go after, but most broads aren't going about their day unmolested by cats trying to get at them.

Even Fat and Ugly bitches get hollered at (though not competently or seriously)

If a chick is worth banging, best believe you aren't the first one to realize, or the first one that day.

If she's youngish and wearing shorts or something show-off-y - she's being approached.

Young professional, she's getting glances and walk ups.

Milf status, couple of leers if not a comment or two.

Just cause you didn't see it happen, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It only ends when she hits the WALL.

Somewhere after being a cougar, but before she becomes a little old lady/granny "worthy" of attention and protection.

WIA

One caveat are college campuses that are away from big city environments. I don't think I have seen one true day approach ever since in SB. Why is this? The guys that have the gumption to game a bunch of chicks don't even need to really. They just show up at parties or get together and it is such a Get Laid bubble they don't need to.

Now a true achiever college player on the other hand would go nuts in an environment like this - I know I would. Fuck I'd be handing out business cards to girls to come to X address for a beer and jay or call this #.

In my own college days some of my roommates and friends did, but only one did it consistently and he was considered the king of energy clown game.

Get girls in college - they do not know their true value until 6 months out in the "real world".

The shy or more mature ones with weaker social lives are the best.

Gio may or may not agree as Bay Area universities are in and around the Big City feel where girls doing their day to day around campus have more guys post college age getting at them.

[choichoi]

(08-03-2014 06:35 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 05:06 PM)Amazin Wrote:  

so who's actually getting consistent lays from daygame on here?

Best
#1. St. Petersburg
#2. Moscow
#3. Kiev

Very good
#4. Prague
#5. Tallinn
#6. Wroclaw

So, is daygame the worst way? It's certainly the hardest way in the US. But of the places I listed above, I find it to actually be the best.

I agree with the first 2 after having visited both. And even Ulaanbaataar. I met two English speaking Mongolian chicks on the street in front of my hostel. Feigned needing directions to the train station then asked them if they wanted to join me for a drink at the bar. Surprisingly they agreed to it. I was blown away. American girls would almost never do something like that unless they were already drunk or just had absolutely nothing to do.

[Apollo21]

The difference is all in how you approach daygame.

If you do it like most guys....you'll run around chasing everything
in a skirt or dress and ideally get 2-3 numbers out of running
a dozen approaches.

That approach may be effective....it's just not very efficient.
A better way is to build up a daytime "portfolio" where you actually invest
in certain activities and events that have lots of women.

Acting classes, cooking classes, become a trainer, photography classes
yoga studio etc, organize parties etc.

Real daygame done well gives you the opportunity to
build thriving social circles with women coming to you
rather than chasing women all over the city.

[ManVsMachine]

Personal experience....bound to be different than some people and each are entitled to their opinion

The flake rate off a pulled number was too high for me to consider it a worthwhile endeavor. However, if an approach is available for the taking, I'm going to jump on it. A girl enters the elevator of a parking garage and she's smiling, doe-eyed, I'm usually going to say something. The unworthwhile flake rate is minimized in this situation. But I no longer make the conscious decision to "Talk to X girls while I'm out" or go out for the sake of daygaming.

(08-08-2014 10:07 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

One caveat are college campuses that are away from big city environments. I don't think I have seen one true day approach ever since in SB. Why is this? The guys that have the gumption to game a bunch of chicks don't even need to really. They just show up at parties or get together and it is such a Get Laid bubble they don't need to.

Now a true achiever college player on the other hand would go nuts in an environment like this - I know I would. Fuck I'd be handing out business cards to girls to come to X address for a beer and jay or call this #.

In my own college days some of my roommates and friends did, but only one did it consistently and he was considered the king of energy clown game.

Get girls in college - they do not know their true value until 6 months out in the "real world".

The shy or more mature ones with weaker social lives are the best.

Gio may or may not agree as Bay Area universities are in and around the Big City feel where girls doing their day to day around campus have more guys post college age getting at them.

I'd say its the other way around. Their true value is displayed in college when they are near an equal gender ratio of both appealing men and women around the same age. I find the value of most girls post-college to be overinflated.


The bay area is filled with thirst, but that being said there was no other place that I had as much "daygame" success as in SF.

[mastauser]

(02-21-2015 10:40 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

The difference is all in how you approach daygame.

If you do it like most guys....you'll run around chasing everything
in a skirt or dress and ideally get 2-3 numbers out of running
a dozen approaches.

That approach may be effective....it's just not very efficient.
A better way is to build up a daytime "portfolio" where you actually invest
in certain activities and events that have lots of women.

Acting classes, cooking classes, become a trainer, photography classes
yoga studio etc, organize parties etc.

Real daygame done well gives you the opportunity to
build thriving social circles with women coming to you
rather than chasing women all over the city.

THIS.

Night game is fun, day game can be fun.

But the powerful ways Apollo21 states here,

are often forgotten on the forum here!

[RockHard]

(02-21-2015 06:51 PM)mastauser Wrote:  

(02-21-2015 10:40 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

The difference is all in how you approach daygame.

If you do it like most guys....you'll run around chasing everything
in a skirt or dress and ideally get 2-3 numbers out of running
a dozen approaches.

That approach may be effective....it's just not very efficient.
A better way is to build up a daytime "portfolio" where you actually invest
in certain activities and events that have lots of women.

Acting classes, cooking classes, become a trainer, photography classes
yoga studio etc, organize parties etc.

Real daygame done well gives you the opportunity to
build thriving social circles with women coming to you
rather than chasing women all over the city.

THIS.

Night game is fun, day game can be fun.

But the powerful ways Apollo21 states here,

are often forgotten on the forum here!

It's like Gio often says: quit "approaching" girls. Just make it a part of your routine. Part of your routine is putting yourself in situations where you're around attractive women. I'm pretty sure Roosh wrote in Day Bang (quoting approximately since my copy isn't handy) "I can't understand why someone with the option to work from home would actually work from home". That's the attitude you want. If you want to meet women, you must put yourself into situations where you can meet women.

[bpryce]

As a guy who cant get girls online or from night game, im kind of looking at daygame as a last option.

I think its still a case where only certain types of girls are going to go for it though. When i did it a few years ago, it was girls who had few options that were naturally interested in a semi average guy who seemed normal and was interested in them. Today though a lot of these girls have high quality guys a click away on tinder or online dating. My feeling is that its possible but for someone like me who had a 1/50 success ratio in terms of approaches:dates, that ratio has probably tripled or quadrupled to 1/200. Im speculating but it makes sense.

What are the alternatives though? Not many.