[Ensam]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/story...he-economy

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Melissa Myrick is 33, blonde and quick to smile. She thought for sure she’d be a mother by now. She could picture it: One boy, one girl, both with her bright blue eyes. That was the plan when she and Rick married in 2008. Get pregnant right away. But first he lost his job, then she lost hers. They decided to wait. A year later, barely back on their feet, a doctor’s visit revealed they’d struggle to conceive. The best shot for Melissa and Rick to have a baby would cost at least $15,000 – money they didn’t have, a financial risk they still feel unable to take.

Are women finally going to wake up to the idea that they've been sold a bill of goods? Most young women I meet these days (18-24) are not even considering starting a family. When asked they say, maybe when I'm 28 or 29. Besides the obvious red-pill issues of expecting a guy to settle down with them after spending their 20s sampling the worlds men there's a stark biological fact that even waiting until their late 20s might be too late.

The woman in the article got married at 27 expecting to have a baby right away. Unfortunately life doesn't always fall into place the way you expect it to. The economy tanked, she and her husband lost their jobs, so they waited. And waited. It's now too late for her to get pregnant without assistance - even a 15k IVF treatment is no guarantee. I know couples who had to go through several rounds before one took.

Let's say instead she'd started a family at 22. Her oldest kid would be 11 and she might have a 7 or 10 yd. By that age kids can basically take care of themselves. She could be back working part time and launching a career that could last 30 years.

The real irony of feminism as it's practiced today is that it screws women out of both families and careers. If woman had kids in their late teens and early 20s they could be back on the career ladder by their late 20s and have an uninterrupted 3 or so decades to climb to corporate ladder.

[Samseau]

It's not just feminism: government expenditures (welfare programs like medicare and medicaid esp) are too high, which means taxes need to be high, which chokes life out of the economy, which chokes the life out of young people who want to have kids without struggling all the time.

Women should probably realize the economy will be shit for the rest of their lives, so they should just have children when they are of age.

[It_is_my_time]

(07-23-2014 07:38 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

It's not just feminism: government expenditures (welfare programs like medicare and medicaid esp) are too high, which means taxes need to be high, which chokes life out of the economy, which chokes the life out of young people who want to have kids without struggling all the time.

Women should probably realize the economy will be shit for the rest of their lives, so they should just have children when they are of age.

The uninformed millennials who support all this wasteful and fraudulent big brother govt. crap will get stuck with a bill in about 10 to 20 years that will make them faint on the spot.

[RawGod]

(07-23-2014 07:51 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

The uninformed millennials who support all this wasteful and fraudulent big brother govt. crap will get stuck with a bill in about 10 to 20 years that will make them faint on the spot.

More likely they will never identify the causes that are leaving them modern day serfs dispossessed of all connection to nature reality and each other and they will just sleepwalk through it all glued to their eye phones lost and endlessly snarky

[Menace]

To be fair, the article does not mention (I did not read the full article) whether her failure to conceive was due to age or to a pre-existing fertility condition. She could have had similar difficulties when she was younger.

The larger point of women waiting too long still stands of course.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

She is 33?!

   

Actually she thought she did the right thing and started having children not long after her 29th birthday.

This is a fate that she will share with many many women - GMOs, toxic food ingredients, toxic alcohol (different recipes than 20-30 years ago - beer in US is a chemical soup instead), smoking - all this fertility tremendously. She might have been infertile by the age of 27 already.

They did observe a strange drop in teen pregnancies recently. Partly it is not due to better contraception, but to the simple fact that a lot of youth are already infertile. I know the data from other Western countries - they found that 10% of couples cannot conceive normally! That includes even couples who are in their 20s or early 30s.

Well - I guess that there many ways to control the population - feminism, food, economic pressure (so that people cannot afford to raise kids properly) etc.

[The Beast1]

(07-23-2014 07:51 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 07:38 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

It's not just feminism: government expenditures (welfare programs like medicare and medicaid esp) are too high, which means taxes need to be high, which chokes life out of the economy, which chokes the life out of young people who want to have kids without struggling all the time.

Women should probably realize the economy will be shit for the rest of their lives, so they should just have children when they are of age.

The uninformed millennials who support all this wasteful and fraudulent big brother govt. crap will get stuck with a bill in about 10 to 20 years that will make them faint on the spot.

Seriously bro? The millennials as a demographic are completely eclipsed by the BOOMERS.

A generation that had the greatest gift of cheap energy and proceeded to blow it on pointless endeavors, social projects, and attempting to "discover oneself".

You want to place blame? Blame the voting block that is attempting to retire on the backs of a generation of which there are barely any working adults.

I look forward to the day the market crashes and the majority of the boomers cannot retire. Couple that with forced retirement by laying off the old ones, that generation's chickens will come to roost.

[el mechanico]

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majority of the boomers cannot retire. Couple that with forced retirement by laying off the old ones,

They will take all your jobs. Be careful with that kind of thinking and hope they retire peacefully

[TravelerKai]

(07-23-2014 08:38 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

She is 33?!



Actually she thought she did the right thing and started having children not long after her 29th birthday.

This is a fate that she will share with many many women - GMOs, toxic food ingredients, toxic alcohol (different recipes than 20-30 years ago - beer in US is a chemical soup instead), smoking - all this fertility tremendously. She might have been infertile by the age of 27 already.

They did observe a strange drop in teen pregnancies recently. Partly it is not due to better contraception, but to the simple fact that a lot of youth are already infertile. I know the data from other Western countries - they found that 10% of couples cannot conceive normally! That includes even couples who are in their 20s or early 30s.

Well - I guess that there many ways to control the population - feminism, food, economic pressure (so that people cannot afford to raise kids properly) etc.

You forgot all the hormone/endocrine disruptor plastics we touch with BPA, anti-bacterial soap with Triclosan, and our water system infrastructure filled with prescription drugs. Chronic stress filling their bodies with cortisol as well doesn't help either.

So yeah she may have been somewhat infertile at 27. Americans need to change their attitude about pregnancy in late 20s and early 30s. Like Samseau said, the economy will always suck.

[It_is_my_time]

(07-23-2014 08:45 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 07:51 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 07:38 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

It's not just feminism: government expenditures (welfare programs like medicare and medicaid esp) are too high, which means taxes need to be high, which chokes life out of the economy, which chokes the life out of young people who want to have kids without struggling all the time.

Women should probably realize the economy will be shit for the rest of their lives, so they should just have children when they are of age.

The uninformed millennials who support all this wasteful and fraudulent big brother govt. crap will get stuck with a bill in about 10 to 20 years that will make them faint on the spot.

Seriously bro? The millennials as a demographic are completely eclipsed by the BOOMERS.

A generation that had the greatest gift of cheap energy and proceeded to blow it on pointless endeavors, social projects, and attempting to "discover oneself".

You want to place blame? Blame the voting block that is attempting to retire on the backs of a generation of which there are barely any working adults.

I look forward to the day the market crashes and the majority of the boomers cannot retire. Couple that with forced retirement by laying off the old ones, that generation's chickens will come to roost.

Oh no, I don't blame only the millennials. And I agree with your assessment the majority of the blame goes to the Baby Boomers. Had they just listened to their parents, all this hippy communist crap would have never gotten popular in the late 1960's and early 1970's which gave rise to this mess we call "feminism".

I just can't believe the millenials still support this crap. Many with good degrees from good school can't even find a job, much less a good job. They are approaching 30 with no career and no prospect at a better life, and they want more of the same. And the end result is women in their mid 30's who are unable to have kids and unable to afford the fertilization treatments.

And I agree with the comment from RawGod. Many Millenials are too busy looking cool or pretending to be smart, than take time to become informed. I remember after the Greece Austerity hit and the affects of inefficient govt. and over spending hit the people and they became extremely poor over night. The over whelming response to fix the problem was "more govt." by their own citizens. You can't even make that up.

[lurker]

(07-23-2014 07:31 AM)Ensam Wrote:  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/story...he-economy

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Melissa Myrick is 33, blonde and quick to smile. She thought for sure she’d be a mother by now. She could picture it: One boy, one girl, both with her bright blue eyes. That was the plan when she and Rick married in 2008. Get pregnant right away. But first he lost his job, then she lost hers. They decided to wait. A year later, barely back on their feet, a doctor’s visit revealed they’d struggle to conceive. The best shot for Melissa and Rick to have a baby would cost at least $15,000 – money they didn’t have, a financial risk they still feel unable to take.

Are women finally going to wake up to the idea that they've been sold a bill of goods? Most young women I meet these days (18-24) are not even considering starting a family. When asked they say, maybe when I'm 28 or 29. Besides the obvious red-pill issues of expecting a guy to settle down with them after spending their 20s sampling the worlds men there's a stark biological fact that even waiting until their late 20s might be too late.

The woman in the article got married at 27 expecting to have a baby right away. Unfortunately life doesn't always fall into place the way you expect it to. The economy tanked, she and her husband lost their jobs, so they waited. And waited. It's now too late for her to get pregnant without assistance - even a 15k IVF treatment is no guarantee. I know couples who had to go through several rounds before one took.

Let's say instead she'd started a family at 22. Her oldest kid would be 11 and she might have a 7 or 10 yd. By that age kids can basically take care of themselves. She could be back working part time and launching a career that could last 30 years.

The real irony of feminism as it's practiced today is that it screws women out of both families and careers. If woman had kids in their late teens and early 20s they could be back on the career ladder by their late 20s and have an uninterrupted 3 or so decades to climb to corporate ladder.

The point of Idiocracy was that intelligent, high-status people with white collar jobs were delaying having children due to chasing corporate dreams. These are average blue collar Americans.

(07-23-2014 07:38 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

It's not just feminism: government expenditures (welfare programs like medicare and medicaid esp) are too high, which means taxes need to be high, which chokes life out of the economy, which chokes the life out of young people who want to have kids without struggling all the time.

Women should probably realize the economy will be shit for the rest of their lives, so they should just have children when they are of age.

Sure. Except that effective tax rates are at all-time lows and the periods of American prosperity have coincided with an increase in both regulation and tax rates.

[Switch]

She's only 33. Most women can still conceive and give birth to a perfectly healthy child at that age. She's just really unlucky. But people need to realize that the time will never be perfect to have a kid. If everybody waited until the time was perfect, within 1000 years there'd be 50 people on this earth.

But the larger point still stands-->shit out your kids when you are young.

[Christian McQueen]

"They will take all your jobs. Be careful with that kind of thinking and hope they retire peacefully"

^Yep.

Also it's becoming a broken record with this generation blaming their parents for their lack of success.

Typical though: "It's not MY fault I'm a fucking loser! It's my PARENT'S fault!"

If this generation complained less, got off their social media shit and stopped blaming their parents, they might just make something of their lives instead of living at home off their PARENTS at 30yo and working at Starbucks.

If you can't find work, go to the oil fields and get your damn hands dirty. You won't die, promise.

Rant over.

[samsamsam]

(07-23-2014 08:37 AM)Menace Wrote:  

To be fair, the article does not mention (I did not read the full article) whether her failure to conceive was due to age or to a pre-existing fertility condition. She could have had similar difficulties when she was younger.

The larger point of women waiting too long still stands of course.

+1 for objectivity.

I scanned through it and found this below. Looks like they tried 1 year after they originally planned on trying. I don't think (broscience here) that one year makes that much of a difference. They probably would have struggled even if they tried on the wedding night.

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They decided to hold off on getting pregnant for one year. Just one year. By then, they had new jobs. A month after stopping birth control, Melissa started having severe cramps. She was diagnosed with endometriosis. Getting pregnant would take help.

[TravelerKai]

(07-23-2014 10:59 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 08:37 AM)Menace Wrote:  

To be fair, the article does not mention (I did not read the full article) whether her failure to conceive was due to age or to a pre-existing fertility condition. She could have had similar difficulties when she was younger.

The larger point of women waiting too long still stands of course.

+1 for objectivity.

I scanned through it and found this below. Looks like they tried 1 year after they originally planned on trying. I don't think (broscience here) that one year makes that much of a difference. They probably would have struggled even if they tried on the wedding night.

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They decided to hold off on getting pregnant for one year. Just one year. By then, they had new jobs. A month after stopping birth control, Melissa started having severe cramps. She was diagnosed with endometriosis. Getting pregnant would take help.

Well well...Another woman using birth control pills chronically, probably since she was 18 (maybe even 16), decided to stop, and now cannot have any without expensive help. It's well known they fuck with your hormones to prevent pregnancy.

Better living through science? Nah. This is the lie of feminism and putting career first. Trying to outsmart God and then when it backlashes, you still don't have a clue.

[samsamsam]

^^ I do find it funny that people think they can fight mother nature. She did it for a reason. Even though I am a man, I still don't want to wait until I am 60 for kids. Just have to meet someone who can be a good mother (i.e. probably not Western).

[samsamsam]

(07-23-2014 10:22 AM)Switch Wrote:  

But the larger point still stands-->shit out your kids when you are young.

Other hole.

[TravelerKai]

(07-23-2014 11:15 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

^^ I do find it funny that people think they can fight mother nature. She did it for a reason. Even though I am a man, I still don't want to wait until I am 60 for kids. Just have to meet someone who can be a good mother (i.e. probably not Western).

Exactly. The funny thing is that all they can think about is "We need 15,000 dollars to fix this." Money!? More money to fix this? Money cannot fix everything, but they are hardwired to believe this is the solution.

[The Beast1]

(07-23-2014 08:48 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

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majority of the boomers cannot retire. Couple that with forced retirement by laying off the old ones,

They will take all your jobs. Be careful with that kind of thinking and hope they retire peacefully

And how are they going to do that? Take jobs that already didn't exist? Last I checked, all of those old people need someone to program and fix their computers. Same goes for their cars. Heck, i'd go out to the oil fields too if it came to it.

(07-23-2014 10:31 AM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

"They will take all your jobs. Be careful with that kind of thinking and hope they retire peacefully"

^Yep.

Also it's becoming a broken record with this generation blaming their parents for their lack of success.

Typical though: "It's not MY fault I'm a fucking loser! It's my PARENT'S fault!"

If this generation complained less, got off their social media shit and stopped blaming their parents, they might just make something of their lives instead of living at home off their PARENTS at 30yo and working at Starbucks.

If you can't find work, go to the oil fields and get your damn hands dirty. You won't die, promise.

Rant over.

I can thank my grand parents and great grandparents for the real sacrifices they endured. My parents' generation (love 'em dearly) and all of their problems are problems of affluence.

You guys can sit there and go "la la la" all you want. The situation that has transpired because of this carelessness will effect everyone, especially you 30+ folks. I have a healthy amount of assets and almost zero debt to worry about. The 401k has barely any money in it. The next downturn won't be pretty, but at least I can float it out for awhile. if it gets really bad.

I'm frankly not scared at all. I can leave the big city and travel 9 hours back to the rural country farm I came from.

Is_it_my_time called it nicely. When austerity hits the federal government, the chickens will come to roost.

[LeightonBlackstock]

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A year later, barely back on their feet, a doctor’s visit revealed they’d struggle to conceive.

*She'd

[Glaucon]

Well, the guy could go and find a fertile specimen for replacement...

It would cost less than 15000$. I just sayin'....

[TravelerKai]

(07-23-2014 11:52 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

Well, the guy could go and find a fertile specimen for replacement...

It would cost less than 15000$. I just sayin'....

You think American women operate like Sarah from the Bible? Come on bruh!

[samsamsam]

(07-23-2014 11:52 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

Well, the guy could go and find a fertile specimen for replacement...

It would cost less than 15000$. I just sayin'....

And she would be almost half the age and half the weight.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I should put together a list of online dating profiles by women over 40 who "might want kids." But I have better things to do with my time.

Women seem to think that because they're still getting their period, they're as fertile as they were at 19. They're not. And they're apparently oblivious to the odds of having a disabled or mentally-challenged kid when you're past 40.

[TravelerKai]

Odds pass 40? More like pass 30!