[HankRearden]

How the mighty hath fallen!

I was on an online dating site (my username is IdontwantAIDS)doing my usual message game and an outrageously hot girl, at least a 9 comes up. I'm like awwww yeahhhh let's send this broad a message. She responds back saying "You're really cute but my best friend died of HIV and I find that offensive. Sorry". I'm thinking of a response to win her back as it should be an easy recovery and I'm like... wait a second... no one in the West gets HIV anymore. Only Africans and really really gay dudes in Seattle get that. Maybe her best friend is gay? For good measure I check her profile again. It says "Hi there, looking for people to chat to and meet up with. I'm like everyone else, just your normal tgirl." At first I thought tgirl was a typo, 't' being above 'g' on the keyboard; and then I was like...wait a second... I've definitely heard that term before.

Bitch was a motherfucking transexual.

[MaxRitter]

I would have beaten him up plain and simple. it would make me mad and sick to my stomach. europe and germany in particular turned so freaking tolerant towards gays, I get asked out a lot by men when I never show any signs of being gay or never hang out at gay friendly bars and such like. if a girl on a dating website or during pickup tells me he is a trans straight away, no big deal but if he puts me in a situation when we are intimately close and then reveals he is a dude... I am against violence in principle but I would have been so disgusted and mad i would not be able to control myself and knock the shit out if him.

[Foolsgo1d]

I've been groped by a trans before but all I need to do is "No thanks" and be on my way. Being tricked is a different thing but I am well accustomed to spotting them.

However I still wouldn't fly into a physical confrontation. Some guys on here sporting the "KNOCK YOU THE FUCK OUT!" line are in need of the chill pill. For all you know that tgirl knows a shit ton of bigger, badder dudes with mean attitudes who like tgirls and dont appreciate you smashing them up.

[Beyond Borders]

In Asia I wouldn't get violent (that could be a really bad idea), but I'd definitely be pissed. Back when I lived in the states, and possibly even if I was living there now, I'd probably throw down.

I've kissed a couple of them here on accident. One was so convincing that even my local buddies were fooled. Even though we spent a couple nights drinking with her and her non-tranny friends. Nobody knew until a friend of hers tipped us off.

There's was also this girl I banged one time in Samui, and when I ran into a Burmese guy afterward who'd been at the bar with me, he asked me if she was a tranny. I guess some people at the bar told him she was after I left. Well, thanks a-holes.

Anyhow, if she was indeed a transexual, I could not tell when I banged. I told the guy she was definitely a woman, but as time goes by, I've heard a lot more about how convincing the surgery can be, so I guess it's possible that she was able to fool me while I was drunk. No way to know at this point. I thought I recalled an increasing self-lubrication while we were fuckng around, but looking back, I can't be 100% sure of the memory.

There was a blowjob on one of my first nights in Thailand, still fresh off the boat, that strikes me as awfully suspicious as well. One of those ones where she wouldn't let me put my hand down her pants, which is a pretty solid ladyboy giveaway that I hadn't really thought through at the time.

I'm most certainly not looking to hook up with any former dudes, but I'm not going to lose sleep over something I didn't ask for either. Shit happens, I guess. Hard to fathom that perspective if you haven't spent much time out of the West, but in Southeast Asia it really comes with the territory. You may not embrace it, but your skin gets a bit thicker and you're more liable to shrug it off and move on.

For instance, if I'd have made this type of mistake back in the states in my early 20s, it'd probably have taken me a year or two to get over it, if I ever did. Now I could really give a shit.

Just another crazy story to throw in with all the others.

[MaxRitter]

(07-12-2014 02:42 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

In Asia I wouldn't get violent (that could be a really bad idea), but I'd definitely be pissed. Back when I lived in the states, and possibly even if I was living there now, I'd probably throw down.

I've kissed a couple of them here on accident. One was so convincing that even my local buddies were fooled. Even though we spent a couple nights drinking with her and her non-tranny friends. Nobody knew until a friend of hers tipped us off.

There's was also this girl I banged one time in Samui, and when I ran into a Burmese guy afterward who'd been at the bar with me, he asked me if she was a tranny. I guess some people at the bar told him she was after I left. Well, thanks a-holes.

Anyhow, if she was indeed a transexual, I could not tell when I banged. I told the guy she was definitely a woman, but as time goes by, I've heard a lot more about how convincing the surgery can be, so I guess it's possible that she was able to fool me while I was drunk. No way to know at this point. I thought I recalled an increasing self-lubrication while we were fuckng around, but looking back, I can't be 100% sure of the memory.

There was a blowjob on one of my first nights in Thailand, still fresh off the boat, that strikes me as awfully suspicious as well. One of those ones where she wouldn't let me put my hand down her pants, which is a pretty solid ladyboy giveaway that I hadn't really thought through at the time.

I'm most certainly not looking to hook up with any former dudes, but I'm not going to lose sleep over something I didn't ask for either. Shit happens, I guess. Hard to fathom that perspective if you haven't spent much time out of the West, but in Southeast Asia it really comes with the territory. You may not embrace it, but your skin gets a bit thicker and you're more liable to shrug it off and move on.

For instance, if I'd have made this type of mistake back in the states in my early 20s, it'd probably have taken me a year or two to get over it, if I ever did. Now I could really give a shit.

Just another crazy story to throw in with all the others.

jesus thats why I tend to stay away from places like Thailand. holy fucking christ. Im not saying Im such a cool dude, now I m gonna go and beat up a gay or a trans man. but really those dudes need to realise that most men are straight and dont like this type of shit. hell no if this had happened to me I dont known if I would be so chill as you were. Id throw up for sure.

[Beyond Borders]

(07-12-2014 02:57 PM)MaxRitter Wrote:  

jesus thats why I tend to stay away from places like Thailand. holy fucking christ. Im not saying Im such a cool dude, now I m gonna go and beat up a gay or a trans man. but really those dudes need to realise that most men are straight and dont like this type of shit. hell no if this had happened to me I dont known if I would be so chill as you were. Id throw up for sure.

You should have met me before I lived in Southeast Asia. I got in fights all the time and would be the last person someone would expect to take such a thing so lightly.

This place really chills you out.

Also, as far as my own experiences, you've also got to realize that this is over a 7-year period partying on a nightly basis for months at a time and sleeping with hundreds of Asian women. Pulling over my motorbike to vomit and then driving on to the next bar.

A few close calls here and there isn't that alarming when you put it in that perspective, and guys who don't live as full-speed as I do shouldn't have much reason to worry.

[MaxRitter]

(07-12-2014 03:14 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

You should have met me before I lived in Southeast Asia. I got in fights all the time and would be the last person someone would expect to take such a thing so lightly.

This place really chills you out.

Also, as far as my own experiences, you've also got to realize that this is over a 7-year period partying on a nightly basis for months at a time and sleeping with hundreds of Asian women. Pulling over my motorbike to vomit and then driving on to the next bar.

A few close calls here and there isn't that alarming when you put it in that perspective, and guys who don't live as full-speed as I do shouldn't have much reason to worry.

well I used to party quite hard during my college years in germany and Ive had enough ONS with sexy blond german chicks) not sure if there were hundreds of them though.....

but Im really not into asian women. they just dont do it for me. their sweet atittude seems fake, I think slavic and european chicks in general are more genuine. Im happy for US guys who found good women in Asia but its not for me. As for having sex with them I just dont know. Ive had some half asian and tatar chicks in russia but thai are just too racially exotic for me. and the extra risk of being groped by a trans pretty much turns me off the whole thing completely.

I am however suprized at your chill reaction. the thing is, more and more dudes in the west seem cool with being hit on by guys. like "Im not a homophobe I dont mind".I dont mean you personally but its just the general trend. well I DO mind and dont want this trend to spread. so if any gay or trans dude hist on me I pretty much let him know he should fuck off. sadly when I go party here in germany that does happen quite often. not every day but maybe every month. absolutely HATE it. we must not tolerate this bullshit, let the homos stay in their own clubs and stay away from normal guys especially the younger ones. I know this is quite offtopic but the whole tolerance bullshit when even 14 year old boys in schools come out screaming with joy Im gay! Im gay! or when trans children become stars of reality shows makes me sick. just to think that my son would have to grow up in that enviroment... no Im sorry but I have no tolerance for these dudes who aggressively hit on normal guys and trick them into having sex with them. If that had happened to me I would have sued him for sure.

[Beyond Borders]

^ I understand the sentiment. And I agree that gay guys should not get a license to act over-aggressive with straight guys. Tricking dudes is also super fucked up.

For me, adapting to it was more about adapting to the culture here and in the environment I often found myself stumbling into. I'm not going to come to a new place and decide that everyone should live by my rules, so I adjust myself accordingly. You can decide you're going to have that reaction to gays in your home country, sure, but bring that attitude to another culture with different paradigms, and you're asking for trouble.

Again, back in the states, I have a much different attitude about the whole thing and would be more likely to react violently.

I did call out a couple guys in the bathroom the other night in a club for trying to peek at my dick while I was pissing and asked them both if they had a fucking problem. Apparently they didn't...lol

So I do still a little irate from time to time about homsexuality. As far as being chill about the tranny thing, you may be overstimating how chill I am. Not getting violent about it is almost as much about my own safety than anything else. Responding to such a situation with violence out here can end up with you in the hospital pretty quick.

By being chill or not giving a shit about it, I'm more saying that I'm not going to lose sleep over it and beat up on myself over the whole thing. Life is too short, and as I said earlier, shit happens. Hopefully not that type of shit, but given where I live and that it wasn't my fault, I don't see any reason to feel ashamed or waste time and effort worrying about it too much.

I just live and learn and move on, hopefully avoiding repeats in the future.

[Tytalus]

Threads like this make me really glad my gay brother decided not to become a transsexual.

[MaxRitter]

(07-12-2014 04:03 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

^ I understand the sentiment. And I agree that gay guys should not get a license to act over-aggressive with straight guys. Tricking dudes is also super fucked up.

For me, adapting to it was more about adapting to the culture here and in the environment I often found myself stumbling into. I'm not going to come to a new place and decide that everyone should live by my rules, so I adjust myself accordingly. You can decide you're going to have that reaction to gays in your home country, sure, but bring that attitude to another culture with different paradigms, and you're asking for trouble.

Again, back in the states, I have a much different attitude about the whole thing and would be more likely to react violently.

I did call out a couple guys in the bathroom the other night in a club for trying to peek at my dick while I was pissing and asked them both if they had a fucking problem. Apparently they didn't...lol

So I do still a little irate from time to time about homsexuality. As far as being chill about the tranny thing, you may be overstimating how chill I am. Not getting violent about it is almost as much about my own safety than anything else. Responding to such a situation with violence out here can end up with you in the hospital pretty quick.

By being chill or not giving a shit about it, I'm more saying that I'm not going to lose sleep over it and beat up on myself over the whole thing. Life is too short, and as I said earlier, shit happens. Hopefully not that type of shit, but given where I live and that it wasn't my fault, I don't see any reason to feel ashamed or waste time and effort worrying about it too much.

I just live and learn and move on, hopefully avoiding repeats in the future.

I understand and Im not trying o accuse you of being pro gay or anything. just interested in the cultural differences. Im kind of shocked how apparenty acceptable it became in the SEA to be a trans. you d think they have an alpha male paradise there but apparenty even though there is no feminist shit there a lot of guys are emasculated and become ladyboys. how does that even happen? Ive heard that in polynesian countries they now have this Fa'afafine tradition when boys are raised as girls to help out as family house maids... such a waste of mens lives!

[Beyond Borders]

^ Yeah, it really is a trip that it's so common here.

As soon as young boys start showing feminine tendencies, people start making little jokes about them being a ladyboy or gay. Teasing but half-serious too.

They're very good-natured about it and just laugh it off. So the vibe regarding gays is extremely lax.

Many of the men are very effeminate. Even straight guys can be really ambiguous and make you wonder. A lot of the women experiment with lesbianism as well.

[MaxRitter]

(07-12-2014 04:27 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

^ Yeah, it really is a trip that it's so common here.

As soon as young boys start showing feminine tendencies, people start making little jokes about them being a ladyboy or gay. Teasing but half-serious too.

They're very good-natured about it and just laugh it off. So the vibe regarding gays is extremely lax.

Many of the men are very effeminate. Even straight guys can be really ambiguous and make you wonder. A lot of the women experiment with lesbianism as well.

well that sucks. Ive met a couple of german men who are married to Thai women here in my city and they were raving about how great Thai is for men which kinda implied that they dont have all that feminist bullshit over there. but to me feminism and pro gay shit goes hand in hand. I was never one of those guys who idealize asian culture and have the yellow fever but I kinda expected their culture to be more traditional. well... apparenty the western disease spread too far or maybe they just have really weird traditions.

[lowbudgetballer]

I don't know if this is relevant, but you want to be hit on, or at least admired by, gay guys. They are essentially overexaggerated chix. If a gay guy is hitting on you, it usually means you are doing something right.

'baller

[Beyond Borders]

(07-12-2014 04:32 PM)MaxRitter Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 04:27 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

^ Yeah, it really is a trip that it's so common here.

As soon as young boys start showing feminine tendencies, people start making little jokes about them being a ladyboy or gay. Teasing but half-serious too.

They're very good-natured about it and just laugh it off. So the vibe regarding gays is extremely lax.

Many of the men are very effeminate. Even straight guys can be really ambiguous and make you wonder. A lot of the women experiment with lesbianism as well.

well that sucks. Ive met a couple of german men who are married to Thai women here in my city and they were raving about how great Thai is for men which kinda implied that they dont have all that feminist bullshit over there. but to me feminism and pro gay shit goes hand in hand. I was never one of those guys who idealize asian culture and have the yellow fever but I kinda expected their culture to be more traditional. well... apparenty the western disease spread too far or maybe they just have really weird traditions.

It's just different. Much of what we see as weird or un-weird is largely based on the social constructs we were raised with, even if it's hard to accept that this is the case. In fact, I find it interesting that red pill ideas are so often rooted to a Western-based idea of masculinity rather than recognizing that what makes you a man - or what makes you "alpha" or "beta" often varies culture to culture.

And I really don't think the proliferation of gays in SEA has anything to do with Western feminism.

Hopefully this doesn't border too far on race trolling, but it almost comes across as a combination of genetics and culture. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of masculine Asian men too, but one only has to spend time in Asian cultures to be bewildered by how some of them (a lot of them) are so feminine in nature. Maybe it's caused by environmental or diet influences, but something leads to more feminine males.

Some gays are just like that. From the time they're born, they act, talk, walk, behave, and sometimes even look like a female. From their body language to the tone of their voice. By observing them, you can often tell they're gay long before they ever come out, and it looks like they didn't have much choice in the matter.

Not here to become the tranny supporter of the forum, but it does lend some credence to the concept of a man being born in a woman's body or vice versa.

I'm not going to walk around grumbling about these types of people. I think there is some truth to the idea that some homosexuals don't really have it in them to decide who they're attracted to.

On the other hand, you get people like a family member of mine who moved to San Francisco a year ago and is suddenly wearing her hair butched, going to gay pride events, and listing gender as genderqueer on FB. I know her very well, and I know she's only doing it because she's an impressionable person who follows the crowd and happened to go to college in the gay capital of the world.

I think that's sad. Gay people are outliers, not what we should upholding as some kind of ideal.

You seem a lot more bitter about them than I am, and I don't have the energy nor the desire to let their choices affect my life, but that element does annoy me too. Other than them trying to shove the whole issue on us and demonize white male heterosexuality, or aggressively come on to me, I could really care less what people do with their peters behind closed doors.

I do think it is a bit deviant to remove your natural sexual apparatus, but meh, who gives a shit. As long as they're honest about it and don't try to sneak their psuedo-vagina into my bed, anyways.

Okay, that's enough homo for me for one night. I need some sleep.

[Fortis]

Lol, according to my great aunt, something like this happened to my grandfather. I laugh my ass off everything I think about that.

[lurker]

Laugh, chalk it up the game, walk off. 99% of the banchongs out there are pretty clearly dudes, so if I get tricked it's on me.

[Doc_J]

Trannys can be cool...

I remember one time in a drunken rampage in the streets of Bali, hanging out with a group of 7 or 8 of them at the early hours of the morning. Ended up at some place where they offered me beer and everything. They didn't try to rape me, that was nice of them.

[Levi]

dip out, get in there in at the STD clinic asap

[DevonHardy]

I'm going to be completely honest and this is obviously going to go against what being said in this thread but...

I honestly wouldn't care. I'm not gay or even bi (at least idk about the bi part; I'm in no way attracted to men), however I am attracted to feminine features; ass, curviness, thighs, face whatever.

So you brahs would seriously beat "her" up?

[J556]

Id either-
go vomit and get some bleach and soap

or
pretend I'm Mike Tyson and the tranny is Robert Colay (1st round KO)

Dont trannies have both kinds of genitals? If so, any straight dude would feel their dong as they mistakenly went in to pet the kitty and freak out.

[Fortis]

(07-15-2014 09:11 PM)DevonHardy Wrote:  

I'm going to be completely honest and this is obviously going to go against what being said in this thread but...

I honestly wouldn't care. I'm not gay or even bi (at least idk about the bi part; I'm in no way attracted to men), however I am attracted to feminine features; ass, curviness, thighs, face whatever.

So you brahs would seriously beat "her" up?

I don't think the problem is that they're Transgender, the fucking problem is that they were once a guy. I can't remember what blogger said it, but how would you feel if someone took your mom or dad, made them extremely sexually appealing, hooked you up with them, and, in the middle of your love-making, told you that this person was actually your dad/mom?

You'd be pretty pissed off. I have nothing against the Transgender community, but I think it's a bit unfair that they're so interested in banging guys who want actually girls and not a transgender girl.

That said, if I got hammered and almost banged a trans, then the joke is on me. I'd kindly get the fuck out or tell them to get the fuck out and think nothing of it.

[AneroidOcean]

(07-15-2014 09:11 PM)DevonHardy Wrote:  

I'm going to be completely honest and this is obviously going to go against what being said in this thread but...

I honestly wouldn't care.

You wouldn't care as in you'd tap that? Because if so, you're at least bisexual.

Wouldn't care as far as being tricked?

A better analogy would be that you go to buy a car, it's presented as never having a history of being "salvaged" and you would never buy a salvaged car normally. Then just before you hand over your hard earned cash to get the keys and peel out of the parking lot, they say "oh btw this was salvaged...twice."

[Fortis]

Quote:

A better analogy would be that you go to buy a car, it's presented as never having a history of being "salvaged" and you would never buy a salvaged car normally. Then just before you hand over your hard earned cash to get the keys and peel out of the parking lot, they say "oh btw this was salvaged...twice."

I think we're both getting at the fact that it's not what you wanted. If I spent all that time gaming a girl, then it better be a girl and not a guy masquerading as a girl. I'd feel insulted.

[DevonHardy]

(07-15-2014 09:40 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I don't think the problem is that they're Transgender, the fucking problem is that they were once a guy. I can't remember what blogger said it, but how would you feel if someone took your mom or dad, made them extremely sexually appealing, hooked you up with them, and, in the middle of your love-making, told you that this person was actually your dad/mom?

You'd be pretty pissed off. I have nothing against the Transgender community, but I think it's a bit unfair that they're so interested in banging guys who want actually girls and not a transgender girl.

That said, if I got hammered and almost banged a trans, then the joke is on me. I'd kindly get the fuck out or tell them to get the fuck out and think nothing of it.

I get what you're saying, but for me I couldn't care less about her "actual" gender as long as she met my requirements. But, that's just me.

(07-15-2014 10:28 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

You wouldn't care as in you'd tap that? Because if so, you're at least bisexual.

Wouldn't care as far as being tricked?

A better analogy would be that you go to buy a car, it's presented as never having a history of being "salvaged" and you would never buy a salvaged car normally. Then just before you hand over your hard earned cash to get the keys and peel out of the parking lot, they say "oh btw this was salvaged...twice."

Yeah, I'd smash. I still don't think I'm bisexual, because I'm not attracted to "guys". I think I might fit the fluid type or pansexual because I find these guys attractive:






Notice the feminine features which I like. But, everyones different.

[AneroidOcean]

(07-15-2014 11:28 PM)DevonHardy Wrote:  

Notice the feminine features which I like. But, everyones different.

Right on. Kudos to you for being up front and at peace about it. It's guys like you that hopefully save me from having to ever have even close to that experience. This is similar for my attitude towards gay guys. Why would I ever care that there's less guys I have to compete with for the attractive women?

I think this is also why I find girls with smaller noses more attractive. It's feminine to me. Every one of those pictures you posted, the girl has a decent size to large nose.