[Vronski]

(06-15-2016 04:31 PM)leanmeansexmachine Wrote:  

Only buy something after 3 months and careful vetting.

....as a side note no need three months and "careful vetting" to see if a girl has honest goals and genuine feelings or if she is there essentially to manipulate you.

[BangBoy123]

(06-16-2016 03:09 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 04:31 PM)leanmeansexmachine Wrote:  

Important tip for you guys in this part of the world, do not buy women here anything. Only buy something after 3 months and careful vetting.

I would disagree with this kind of definitive statement. N°1 rule is that there are no rules. If you feel like it and have the financial means, why not be generous for someone who has genuine feelings for you ?

Keep in mind that FSU men are very generous with their money when it comes to women (and that foreigners have the reputation to be stingy). Gifts do make a good impression. By no means it has to bust your budget (it's the thought that counts) and by no means are gifts even necessary ......and of course I don't say one should shower his girl with gifts or let her dictate how spend money on her, that's pathetic, but a gift does make your girl feel good and even more in love .....and when a Russian or Ukrainian girl really feels passionally in love with you, she will make you feel like the most blessed guy on earth. It's a small gesture for an immense reward.

I would disagree too, I think buying small to medium value gifts for girls is a very good investment. If you buy a student girl a 40 Euro pair of shoes or handbag she will likely have an instant orgasm.

It's a good idea to shop in your own country when the sales on, fill your suitcase with low priced trinkets, and then go to Ukraine like Santa Claus. Everything you buy will probably be priced 3 times higher in Ukraine.

Italians are good in this regard, they are often extremely stingy. They will ship a case of 2 Euro a bottle wine from Italy and tell them he made it in his own vineyard and such things

[Vronski]

(06-16-2016 05:55 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

It's a good idea to shop in your own country when the sales on. Everything you buy will probably be priced 3 times higher in Ukraine.

Hmmm, not sure about that. IMO everything is much cheaper in Ukraine. Krisis has its benefits, and most stores make massive (and permanent) sales. Bought recently in Kiev a Thomas Sabo ring for GF and a bracelet for me, discounted at 60% - which was half the price the displayed price on the Thomas Sabo site.

Same for expensive clothes, IMO it is also worth it ...I bought last winter a gorgeous Brioni leather/marmot collar jacket (which, admittedly, was from the previous season) at some 60 % discount in Dnipro. Cost was some 95 000 grv, discounted to 40 000 grv (which was a steal). I remember I saw the very same jacket at the Brioni store in Paris at 4 500 € ....bought also in Dnipro, where there was 70% at the Zegna store, an alpaga sweater (of the new collection) at half the price of the Zegna store in Paris. Got also in Kiev a very good deal on a Brunello Cuccinelli winter coat for GF.

Really, if now I spot in the new collections some nice (and too expensive) jacket, coat or sweater I really want, I wait to be in Ukraine to try to find it.

[leanmeansexmachine]

(06-16-2016 03:09 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 04:31 PM)leanmeansexmachine Wrote:  

Important tip for you guys in this part of the world, do not buy women here anything. Only buy something after 3 months and careful vetting.

I would disagree with this kind of definitive statement. N°1 rule is that there are no rules. If you feel like it and have the financial means, why not be generous for someone who has genuine feelings for you ?

Keep in mind that FSU men are very generous with their money when it comes to women (and that foreigners have the reputation to be stingy). Gifts do make a good impression. By no means it has to bust your budget (it's the thought that counts) and by no means are gifts even necessary ......and of course I don't say one should shower his girl with gifts or let her dictate how spend money on her, that's pathetic, but a gift does make your girl feel good and even more in love .....and when a Russian or Ukrainian girl really feels passionally in love with you, she will make you feel like the most blessed guy on earth. It's a small gesture for an immense reward.

Your money, your choice. Nothing wrong with buying for drinks or nice restaurant but the reality is that you guys coming in and throwing money and gifts at girls will only make it more difficult for the next guy that comes to look for a woman.

Do not mistake generousity with hospitality.

(06-16-2016 05:33 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 04:31 PM)leanmeansexmachine Wrote:  

Only buy something after 3 months and careful vetting.

....as a side note no need three months and "careful vetting" to see if a girl has honest goals and genuine feelings or if she is there essentially to manipulate you.

You will never know a womans true intentions and their loyalty and love can change very quick. I never give a woman anything or let them get too close for atleast 2 months. I invite them into my lifestyle but if they complain or if they are not a fit, there is the door.

(06-16-2016 05:55 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 03:09 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 04:31 PM)leanmeansexmachine Wrote:  

Important tip for you guys in this part of the world, do not buy women here anything. Only buy something after 3 months and careful vetting.

I would disagree with this kind of definitive statement. N°1 rule is that there are no rules. If you feel like it and have the financial means, why not be generous for someone who has genuine feelings for you ?

Keep in mind that FSU men are very generous with their money when it comes to women (and that foreigners have the reputation to be stingy). Gifts do make a good impression. By no means it has to bust your budget (it's the thought that counts) and by no means are gifts even necessary ......and of course I don't say one should shower his girl with gifts or let her dictate how spend money on her, that's pathetic, but a gift does make your girl feel good and even more in love .....and when a Russian or Ukrainian girl really feels passionally in love with you, she will make you feel like the most blessed guy on earth. It's a small gesture for an immense reward.

I would disagree too, I think buying small to medium value gifts for girls is a very good investment. If you buy a student girl a 40 Euro pair of shoes or handbag she will likely have an instant orgasm.

It's a good idea to shop in your own country when the sales on, fill your suitcase with low priced trinkets, and then go to Ukraine like Santa Claus. Everything you buy will probably be priced 3 times higher in Ukraine.

Italians are good in this regard, they are often extremely stingy. They will ship a case of 2 Euro a bottle wine from Italy and tell them he made it in his own vineyard and such things

A girl receiving an orgasm after €40 shoes ?

Look, if you guys want to do these things, it is your choice. I just find it completely unnecessary.

[BangBoy123]

(06-16-2016 06:45 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 05:55 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

It's a good idea to shop in your own country when the sales on. Everything you buy will probably be priced 3 times higher in Ukraine.

Hmmm, not sure about that. IMO everything is much cheaper in Ukraine. Krisis has its benefits, and most stores make massive (and permanent) sales. Bought recently in Kiev a Thomas Sabo ring for GF and a bracelet for me, discounted at 60% - which was half the price the displayed price on the Thomas Sabo site.

Same for expensive clothes, IMO it is also worth it ...I bought last winter a gorgeous Brioni leather/marmot collar jacket (which, admittedly, was from the previous season) at some 60 % discount in Dnipro. Cost was some 95 000 grv, discounted to 40 000 grv (which was a steal). I remember I saw the very same jacket at the Brioni store in Paris at 4 500 € ....bought also in Dnipro, where there was 70% at the Zegna store, an alpaga sweater (of the new collection) at half the price of the Zegna store in Paris. Got also in Kiev a very good deal on a Brunello Cuccinelli winter coat for GF.

Really, if now I spot in the new collections some nice (and too expensive) jacket, coat or sweater I really want, I wait to be in Ukraine to try to find it.

For clothing yes, there are some good deals to be had in the sales. I recently picked up a nice air of Hugo Boss Chinos for 1500 UAH which was a steal. But outside of the sales the prices are often a comedy.

For high end clothes like what you are talking about I would have no idea, I can't see me ever spending that kind of money on clothes, especially on girls!. I was more referring to buying something as a "leg opener" for young students rather than a Ukraine's hottest models. For example some inexpensive kitsch watches and jewelry and beauty products.

I think before we were talking about fakes, in Odessa I found many fake stores Benetton 100% fake, even high end stores will mix fakes in with their regular stock.

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A girl receiving an orgasm after €40 shoes ?

Absolutely, it has happened many times to me. You have to appreciate how poor some of these girls are in Ukraine the average salary is about 150 Euros, so her father would have to work one week in the factory to be able to afford to buy her such shoes

[Vronski]

(06-16-2016 07:20 AM)leanmeansexmachine Wrote:  

A girl receiving an orgasm after €40 shoes ?

An appreciated gift doesn't necessarily means luxury. Romance go far also, it can be a mere book with some endearment words written on the front page.

[Vronski]

(06-16-2016 08:48 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

But outside of the sales the prices are often a comedy.

Cigars. They are outrageously expensive in Ukraine. Western prices x 3. Cigars smokers, bring your own stock.

[BangBoy123]

I think I stayed in that hostel once

Going to be great weather these next few days in Odessa, I know you will enjoy.

[TripleG]

(06-16-2016 11:03 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 08:48 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

But outside of the sales the prices are often a comedy.

Cigars. They are outrageously expensive in Ukraine. Western prices x 3. Cigars smokers, bring your own stock.

If I didn't know any better i'd say that picture was taken by GManifesto (damn I miss his posts).

[Vronski]

(06-16-2016 04:08 PM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

I think I stayed in that hostel once

It's a one bedroom apartment from Airbnb.

Stayed there two months with GF July/August 2014. Very nice apartment, great location facing the Opera, and gorgeous balcony. Really a cool place (asking price was a bit high but was easily negociable for two months).

(06-16-2016 05:00 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

If I didn't know any better i'd say that picture was taken by GManifesto (damn I miss his posts).

Yes, from what I remember he was also amateur of cigars and fine liquor ...... anyway that picture was taken by me. I took a load of pics from that balcony, the view was really superb.

[seniol]

I never felt the push to ever buy any gifts to the girls I was meeting.

And everything went always fine without gifts.

Buying gifts means usually overcompensating for a lack... it's seen as a beta move

[godzilla]

What do you guys do in Ukraine other then bang girls, party, etc? (or try too) If not how do you guys deal with the lack of shit to do there?

I'd love to visit for a 2 or 3 weeks for the ladies of course but I'd feel I'd be bored out of my mind in Kiev.

[Going strong]

(06-17-2016 03:04 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

What do you guys do in Ukraine other then bang girls, party, etc? (or try too) If not how do you guys deal with the lack of shit to do there?

I'd love to visit for a 2 or 3 weeks for the ladies of course but I'd feel I'd be bored out of my mind in Kiev.

Actually, Kiev is a very old, huge, beautiful and historic city, there are quite a number of historic places (and of course parks) to visit there... You also can take a boat along the river, go to gydropark, see an opera, etc... If you speak Russian, Kiev will not be as exciting as Moscow, but still, it's very far from a dull city!

[godzilla]

Thanks for the response. I'm struggling between Ukraine or the Balkans/Bulgaria, needed some tips. Being a Spanish-American guy, I'm thinking my reception will be better in Ukraine but there a lot beautiful shit to do in the Balkans.

I guess come to think of it I could try to spend my time learning Russian, I probably wouldn't get more then a few words in 3 weeks but its always been a language I wanted to learn.

Another life decision, that in the end, probably doesn't matter.

And excellent tip on cigars btw.

[Going strong]

(06-17-2016 03:32 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

Thanks for the response. I'm struggling between Ukraine or the Balkans/Bulgaria, needed some tips. Being a Spanish-American guy, I'm thinking my reception will be better in Ukraine but there a lot beautiful shit to do in the Balkans.

I guess come to think of it I could try to spend my time learning Russian, I probably wouldn't get more then a few words in 3 weeks but its always been a language I wanted to learn.

Another life decision, that in the end, probably doesn't matter.

I made a thread to elicit replies to your interesting post, amigo:
thread-56501.html

[Vronski]

(06-17-2016 03:32 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

And excellent tip on cigars btw.

Thanks. As a side note, you can theoretically import up to 50 cigars, but I've never ever had my luggage checked at Borispol and as a heavy cigar smoker, for longer stays, I bring up to 150 sticks (50 in my travel duffel and 100 hidden in my luggage).

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

I'm in Dnipropetrovsk. Big drop in talent from Kiev or Lviv. City is a shit hole. Not many food options. Tinder is more or less useless.

On the plus side it's got a more laid back feel and a bit cheaper accommodations relative to Kiev.

[BangBoy123]

(06-17-2016 11:44 AM)seniol Wrote:  

I never felt the push to ever buy any gifts to the girls I was meeting.

And everything went always fine without gifts.

Buying gifts means usually overcompensating for a lack... it's seen as a beta move

We're not talking about turning up on first dates with gifts, I don't do that, but nothing wrong with buying girls small gifts after you have met her a couple of times.

(06-17-2016 03:04 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

What do you guys do in Ukraine other then bang girls, party, etc? (or try too) If not how do you guys deal with the lack of shit to do there?

I'd love to visit for a 2 or 3 weeks for the ladies of course but I'd feel I'd be bored out of my mind in Kiev.

You can keep yourself busy if you try hard enough, although daygame, internet game, and nightclubs can be a full time job for many!

I was learning how to windsurf today in Odessa, 40 Euro for me and a girl for two hours, signed up here

https://odessa.bodo.ua/ua/go/vindserfing-dlya-dvoikh/

(06-18-2016 06:04 AM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  

I'm in Dnipropetrovsk. Big drop in talent from Kiev or Lviv. City is a shit hole. Not many food options. Tinder is more or less useless.

On the plus side it's got a more laid back feel and a bit cheaper accommodations relative to Kiev.

Yes food options not great in that city, Foursquare can be useful.

Forget Tinder, only useful in Kiev.

The boulevard by the river is the best place to be, also cross the bridge and there is a nice park on an island.

I found quality in Dnipro to be sub par, although I would rate better than Lviv personally.

Remember even sub par in Ukraine is better than most countries

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

^^ yeah sub par is relative. Compared to Canada Dnipro is amazing.

[godzilla]

(06-18-2016 04:16 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(06-17-2016 03:32 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

Thanks for the response. I'm struggling between Ukraine or the Balkans/Bulgaria, needed some tips. Being a Spanish-American guy, I'm thinking my reception will be better in Ukraine but there a lot beautiful shit to do in the Balkans.

I guess come to think of it I could try to spend my time learning Russian, I probably wouldn't get more then a few words in 3 weeks but its always been a language I wanted to learn.

Another life decision, that in the end, probably doesn't matter.

I made a thread to elicit replies to your interesting post, amigo:
thread-56501.html

Hahah sorry man, a bit of confusion, I was drinking one of those big bottles of Duval. Actually I referring to which country to visit and pick.

I've actually learned Spanish and some French over the last year. It has been an extremely awarding experience. However, I will gladly serving as an inspiration to any thread.

[Vronski]

(06-18-2016 09:41 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

Yes food options not great in that city

Mishi Blyakhera is one of my favorite restaurant (if not my absolute favorite) in Ukraine : https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_R...blast.html

Buoni Fratelli is an excellent italian venue : https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_R...blast.html

Food at Coast (high end) is more than correct -but bit pricey- and it's definitely a place to impress your dates : http://www.coast.dp.ua/en/about/ (ground floor is a smoking area BTW, as we talked about cigars)

Many other high-end options (Ikra, Reporter, ect) or mid-level venues like those "in" gastropubs (The Loft, Beerhouse, ect). Also as you say, there is many decent options (floating restaurants) on the embankment ....don't know how Cambodian C can assert that there's "not many food options in Dnipro".

Once more, Dnipro is a rich city, where many rich people live, and there's dozens of good or fine dining options.

[Barron]

Anybody living in Ukraine and making their salary in hryvnia thought about buying gold here?

My Ukrainian friend was telling me about pure gold coins called Pjatka. They go for around $500 US each and are sold at most banks. I have a lot of hryvnia stashed away and gold seems like the best option for maintaining the value on my savings.

Anyone have any info on Pjatka?

[TripleG]

(06-18-2016 04:32 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Anybody living in Ukraine and making their salary in hryvnia thought about buying gold here?

My Ukrainian friend was telling me about pure gold coins called Pjatka. They go for around $500 US each and are sold at most banks. I have a lot of hryvnia stashed away and gold seems like the best option for maintaining the value on my savings.

Anyone have any info on Pjatka?

Why not instead stash a couple thousand in a major Ukrainian bank. I know they are not that stable but when the interest rate is in the double digits your money will appreciate faster than any gold you buy and as long as you withdraw quickly I don't see much of a risk of the bank defaulting.

[Cr33pin]

(06-18-2016 04:32 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Anybody living in Ukraine and making their salary in hryvnia thought about buying gold here?

My Ukrainian friend was telling me about pure gold coins called Pjatka. They go for around $500 US each and are sold at most banks. I have a lot of hryvnia stashed away and gold seems like the best option for maintaining the value on my savings.

Anyone have any info on Pjatka?

[Kissinger2014]

(06-18-2016 04:32 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Anybody living in Ukraine and making their salary in hryvnia thought about buying gold here?

My Ukrainian friend was telling me about pure gold coins called Pjatka. They go for around $500 US each and are sold at most banks. I have a lot of hryvnia stashed away and gold seems like the best option for maintaining the value on my savings.

Anyone have any info on Pjatka?

This is info on bullion coins issues by the Ukrainian central bank:

http://www.bank.gov.ua/control/en/bullio...stry/today

But your best bet to protect yourself against further depreciation of the Hryvnia is to convert them into dollars (maybe even rubles). Transaction fees, spreads, liquidity issues, all make holding physical coins problematic as an inflation hedge.