[rishboy77]

(09-06-2015 03:36 AM)anton Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 07:20 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 10:16 AM)anton Wrote:  

I cannot speak for Revo as I do not drink alochol!

But I am feeling high in Kiev without drinking, it's a wonderful feeling waking up on a sunny day with nothing to do by game chicks. I prefer to game the areas away from the drag, girls are somewhat racist here I feel and I am guessing they are more likely to give their number if nobody is watching - I may be wrong.

Gidropark is pretty dead now, it seems like September is really the cut of date for such places, even though the weather is still good.

Yesterday I spent 5 hours on the metro gaming girls in the metro stations, I would wait till the train comes, find the carraige with the hottest girls, make serious eye contact with one, then wait till she gets off the train and follow her and open her. I probably did about 25 approaches and got 5 phone numbers, I was pretty pleased/ I would concentrate on girls alone as I didn't want the friend to cockblock me.

Metro stations quite often have a few benches for people to sit on, girls like to sit on these benches and play with their phones, very good opportunity to sit next to them.

I went to a nightclub the other night called "Forsage", good place although many foreign arabic students and lots of smoke. The girls are quite down to earth though, my trick is to talk to them, buy them a cocktail, and then isolate them outside. Outside the club there is a small dark park which is good for escalation.

I have had no bangs yet, but I have been on dates with two girls, and have 2nd dates with them both

Not drinking in Ukraine decreases your bangs by 80 percent, at least. You are swimming against the tide.

I am concentrating most of my time on daygame so alcohol doesn't come into it, many girls seem to like that I don't drink perhaps because they have alcoholic fathers.

I maybe go to nightclubs once a week, but that is just for fun, I find flake rate is high from girls in clubs and snl difficult

Night-life in Ukraine is pretty terrible, you are much better doing daygame or even internet game.

Last night I was on the Metro again, at least until midnight when it closed . At one point I was going down an escalator and she was going up, our eyes met, and I reached out and touched her hand!....then she pulled her hand away like I had Leprosy

Internet game is always strong.
1 time I speed dated 6 different girls in a same coffee shop in the same day.
You have seen the looks I got from the waitresses there.

If you are getting a good vibe from any of the girls on dates definitely escalate quickly as they are quite a few Indian/ Asian groupies types in the city.
Not drinking a big advantage... I just could not do it though.

[anton]

(09-06-2015 06:53 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-06-2015 03:36 AM)anton Wrote:  

Last night I was on the Metro again, at least until midnight when it closed . At one point I was going down an escalator and she was going up, our eyes met, and I reached out and touched her hand!....then she pulled her hand away like I had Leprosy

Man, this move would be cute if you were like, 12 years old... As it stands, you might even run into problems doing that... If a beefy Ukrainian Right-Sektor dude is behind you on the stairs and see you doing that, he might punch you.

Maybe you are right, what I might do is jump onto the opposite escalator going home and then talk to her without touching her, i'm quite agile so wouldn't be a problem , i'm sure she will have never experienced such an approach. I will try tomorrow if the escalator is quiet.

[allanw]

How much of an effect does being a decent looking white American have as an advantage in Ukraine when compared to places such as Latin America or South East Asia?

[anton]

(09-06-2015 12:59 PM)allanw Wrote:  

How much of an effect does being a decent looking white American have as an advantage in Ukraine when compared to places such as Latin America or South East Asia?

You may have some WGF here, but I think it's more curiosity, as I understand L American and SE Asians are curious too but they also come on to you and want to bang you more

[Barron]

(09-06-2015 12:38 PM)anton Wrote:  

(09-06-2015 06:53 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-06-2015 03:36 AM)anton Wrote:  

Last night I was on the Metro again, at least until midnight when it closed . At one point I was going down an escalator and she was going up, our eyes met, and I reached out and touched her hand!....then she pulled her hand away like I had Leprosy

Man, this move would be cute if you were like, 12 years old... As it stands, you might even run into problems doing that... If a beefy Ukrainian Right-Sektor dude is behind you on the stairs and see you doing that, he might punch you.

Maybe you are right, what I might do is jump onto the opposite escalator going home and then talk to her without touching her, i'm quite agile so wouldn't be a problem , i'm sure she will have never experienced such an approach. I will try tomorrow if the escalator is quiet.

Only gonna say it once: that's creepy as fuck.

But hey, maybe the whole disney/saved by the bell routine is back in style

[Going strong]

(09-06-2015 12:38 PM)anton Wrote:  

(09-06-2015 06:53 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-06-2015 03:36 AM)anton Wrote:  

Last night I was on the Metro again, at least until midnight when it closed . At one point I was going down an escalator and she was going up, our eyes met, and I reached out and touched her hand!....then she pulled her hand away like I had Leprosy

Man, this move would be cute if you were like, 12 years old... As it stands, you might even run into problems doing that... If a beefy Ukrainian Right-Sektor dude is behind you on the stairs and see you doing that, he might punch you.

Maybe you are right, what I might do is jump onto the opposite escalator going home and then talk to her without touching her, i'm quite agile so wouldn't be a problem , i'm sure she will have never experienced such an approach. I will try tomorrow if the escalator is quiet.

I agree. She "will have never experienced such an approach". And as you are "quite agile", you should be able to escape the "beefy Pravy Sektor dudes" going after you, also, and hopefully...

So, well, please post here the outcome of your new, elegant elevator-approach technique... Inventive and ballsy you are, in any case: best of luck!

[Barron]

More of a rant than a report:

It was a PUA convention on Kreshchatyk this past weekend, and the McDonalds... jesus christ it's as if every shithead who watched an RSD video showed up and brought the thirst of the Sahara with them. Watching desperate notch hyenas' shameless youtube emulating routines not only made me want to go home but also discouraged me from contributing to this thread any further as it's obvious there exists an abundance of anonymous betas reading who have yet to put in any real work on themselves. The place was completely sarged out and for the first time I began to see how a place as amazing as Prague could go south so quickly. The sooner I get some Russian down, the better.

262 came in for the Wingmanship Award of the Month when he helped me instadate a busty blonde by taking her friend away for 30 minutes while we walked Maidan and exchanged English/Russian translations.

The weather has finally cooled off here and although that means that girls will no longer be out in skin tight outfits I believe the PUA's-in-training will retreat back to their desk jobs soon enough. The English teaching gig is awesome, however every class I've had has come with at least one stunner. As I said before, keeping a platonic vibe with these students will be my greatest challenge

[Lord Tito]

(09-07-2015 12:28 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

More of a rant than a report:

It was a PUA convention on Kreshchatyk this past weekend, and the McDonalds... jesus christ it's as if every shithead who watched an RSD video showed up and brought the thirst of the Sahara with them. Watching desperate notch hyenas' shameless youtube emulating routines not only made me want to go home but also discouraged me from contributing to this thread any further as it's obvious there exists an abundance of anonymous betas reading who have yet to put in any real work on themselves. The place was completely sarged out and for the first time I began to see how a place as amazing as Prague could go south so quickly. The sooner I get some Russian down, the better.

I take it you didn't see anton's elevator game

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The weather has finally cooled off here and although that means that girls will no longer be out in skin tight outfits I believe the PUA's-in-training will retreat back to their desk jobs soon enough. The English teaching gig is awesome, however every class I've had has come with at least one stunner. As I said before, keeping a platonic vibe with these students will be my greatest challenge

I know the feeling.

[anton]

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So, well, please post here the outcome of your new, elegant elevator-approach technique... Inventive and ballsy you are, in any case: best of luck!

Well I will give it a go later today and report back, the Metro is too busy now. I have been cruising the red line between Kreschatik and Universitet from 8 am until now. Naturally there was a lot of people are rush hour and not a great time to approach, but after 9am it got better. I took three phone numbers, inlcuding one girl who said she had been to India(Goa) which is cool.

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It was a PUA convention on Kreshchatyk this past weekend, and the McDonalds... jesus christ it's as if every shithead who watched an RSD video showed up and brought the thirst of the Sahara with them. Watching desperate notch hyenas' shameless youtube emulating routines not only made me want to go home but also discouraged me from contributing to this thread any further as it's obvious there exists an abundance of anonymous betas reading who have yet to put in any real work on themselves. The place was completely sarged out and for the first time I began to see how a place as amazing as Prague could go south so quickly. The sooner I get some Russian down, the better.

McDonalds is not a great place to game IMO, too high velocity and girls waiting for their men, I get the least eye contact there.

Russian is helpful but not essential I think, a lot of girls like to talk English and practice with a foreigner. When girls say they don't speak English, often they do but they just don't like you enough to make the effort. I have had that many times unfortunately , they like to say "I don't speak English sorry" in perfect English!

Well by writing on this forum then aren't we a part of the problem? Why would it want to make you go home, Kiev and Ukraine are big places, try a different spot?

I'm not sure Kiev will ever be like Prague, Prague is beautiful, charming, European, and centrally located. Kiev is generally a dump(albeit with very hot chicas) apart from Gidropark area which is very pleasant

[WindowShopper]

(09-07-2015 12:28 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

More of a rant than a report:

It was a PUA convention on Kreshchatyk this past weekend, and the McDonalds... jesus christ it's as if every shithead who watched an RSD video showed up and brought the thirst of the Sahara with them. Watching desperate notch hyenas' shameless youtube emulating routines not only made me want to go home but also discouraged me from contributing to this thread any further as it's obvious there exists an abundance of anonymous betas reading who have yet to put in any real work on themselves. The place was completely sarged out and for the first time I began to see how a place as amazing as Prague could go south so quickly. The sooner I get some Russian down, the better.

262 came in for the Wingmanship Award of the Month when he helped me instadate a busty blonde by taking her friend away for 30 minutes while we walked Maidan and exchanged English/Russian translations.

The weather has finally cooled off here and although that means that girls will no longer be out in skin tight outfits I believe the PUA's-in-training will retreat back to their desk jobs soon enough. The English teaching gig is awesome, however every class I've had has come with at least one stunner. As I said before, keeping a platonic vibe with these students will be my greatest challenge

Is that the only place you guys (foreigners) know of to approach girls? It seems like the place that girls would most likely have their shields up due to constantly being approached/harassed. I know of a place where girls go during the day and are relaxed and sometimes even looking for conversation. They tend to go in pairs but some even go solo in hopes of someone talking to them. It's quite popular amongst the locals and the girls almost always know English, at least from the ones I've spoke to.

[samsamsam]

Is it wrong of me to encourage window shopper to not post this location? Seems like lurkers just take and take sometimes. I mean tell me if course in a pm


Just thinking of the McDonald's comments above.

[WindowShopper]

(09-07-2015 06:03 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Is it wrong of me to encourage window shopper to not post this location? Seems like lurkers just take and take sometimes. I mean tell me if course in a pm


Just thinking of the McDonald's comments above.

That's part of the reason why I didn't herald it. The other being that whenever I pm a member here about information on anything they never reply, possibly due to my lack of 'credentials' here. As you can see I haven't been an active member really.

But as a consolation I will name a couple of other places on the off-beaten track guys may want to check out.

Peizazhna Alley - It's a long strip where people (many girls) go to chill and hang out. There's a park at the end of the strip where they lay out blankets and have wine, play games, etc. Weather permitting of course.

Vozdvyzhensky Street - Downhill beyond the Vozdvyzhensky Boutique Hotel there's a village of unoccupied recently built (mid 2000's) housing that looks as if it belongs in western Europe, like Prague. This is a place where photographers frequently shoot models, bachelorette take pics with all their girls, and random people visit to take selfies. It's not seething with girls, but the many times I've been there the girls have been quite attractive, and offering to take a picture of them or asking them to use your phone to take a picture of you/your friend will be a great stopper/ice breaker.

Ocean Plaza - I'm sure most of you have heard of this place or been there. Outside the main entrance there are always tons of girls, either waiting for their girlfriend(s) to show up, smoking or just chatting. You can work the outdoors and then the food court I suppose for a change of scenery. Also, downstairs at the Auchan (large supermarket) I've always seen many chicks. Asking someone where the cereal isle seems to be a good stopper.

Fuck it, maybe I should just do a data sheet for guys who aren't into the club scene.

[whoishe]

Biggest disappointment for me so far in Ukraine - I found women only fitness club (in Lviv). Didn't expect this one at all.

Sounds like a good place for approaching though - away from centre, 500m from my apartment, etc...

[TripleG]

I can't understand why you guys would spend hours and hours trollin' the metro's and streets doing day-game. I cannot think of a more boring thing then riding the overcrowded Kiev metro up and down. Also, when meeting girls at clubs you already know that they are over 18 and single, on the street that's harder to judge. At a club you immediately know if a girl likes you or not because of the physical escalation methods that you can do. Many clubs I went to (suited up of course) the UA women were very approachable and greet to kiss time in most cases was just a few minutes.

If one is gonna stick to day-game approaching, best is parks (i also mentioned this slightly in the Russia thread and good success at Gorky Park) where the atmosphere is relaxed and girls are sitting by themselves on benches. I remember last time I was in Kiev going slightly off the beaten path and the park on the way to the Mother Motherland statue teeming with girls walking hand-in hand. I'm not trying to discourage day-game but it is just such a slow, grinding process and that time can be utilized better IMHO by doing other tasks such as work or exercising and leave the gaming for evening/night time when pulling rates will increase.

[whoishe]

Triple G - I really rate your posts on FSU, but why is so hard for you to understand that some guys just don't like/don't enjoy Night Life anymore. I prefer to talk to the girls during the day (fortunately, don't have to do it in most touristy places anymore), as I don't have to deal with insanely loud music and have my sleeping patterns in check (and alcohol level too). Then next morning I can have a normal workout, etc...

And also, you just don't know that girls in Ukrainian clubs are 18+ and/or single. It's very optimistic assumption.

[Lika]

(09-07-2015 10:51 AM)TripleG Wrote:  

I can't understand why you guys would spend hours and hours trollin' the metro's and streets doing day-game. I cannot think of a more boring thing then riding the overcrowded Kiev metro up and down. Also, when meeting girls at clubs you already know that they are over 18 and single, on the street that's harder to judge. At a club you immediately know if a girl likes you or not because of the physical escalation methods that you can do. Many clubs I went to (suited up of course) the UA women were very approachable and greet to kiss time in most cases was just a few minutes.

Which clubs did you go to in Kyiv?

[anton]

I had another successful day all and all, I was happy to spend most of the day in the Metro as it was cold and showery today. So I eventually plucked up the courage to do my acrobatic leap approach.....I decided to do it to two girls because they would be mess likely to be freaked out and hopefully laugh. I landed almost perfectly on the escalator! the girls where naturally shocked at first to see an Indian hurtling through the air towards them, but then they started laughing!. Unfortunately neither of the both spoke English and after a few minutes of conversation, they walked about laughing to themselves.

One problem is now that the staff in the Metro station are starting to know what i'm up to, I hope I don't trigger some security shutdown of the Metro, the Ukrainians can't tell an Afghan from an Eskimo.

Because of the inclement weather I decided to do shopping centre pickups in the shopping centre under Maidan. There is a small food court there which turned out to be a gold mine, many students. I spoke to one girl, probably an HB8, around 18yrs old she was eating alone.

Anton: "Hello do you speak English?"
HB8 "So so(no smile)"
Anton "I notice you are eating the Big Tasty, I like that one too"
HB8 "Yes it's good"
Anton "Do you like McDonalds"
HB8 "So so"
HB8 "Where are you from?"
Anton "India"
HB8" Why you in Ukraine?"
Anton "Bisnessman"
HB8" What business?"
Anton "I am tea importer(lie)"
Anton "Do you like Tea?"
HB8 "No thanks"
Anton"???"
Anton"I like your hair is it natural?"
HB8"No"
Anton"Can I touch it?"(I touch it before she answers)
HB8 "NYET!!"
When she goes to pull my hand away she knocks over her Coca-Cola, I think it was the best time to leave, everybody at this point is looking at me.

An average day for me today, 7 phone numbers, but I still have 3 girls on the cooker.

My 2cents about Club dudes vs Day game dudes: Neither guy can understand the other, for me i'm day game because I don't drink and going to nightclub in Ukraine is not always fun, they are drunk and I fail to match their energy.

Maybe I will try a little of Ligurian's Revo , perhaps it will be an elixir for me,or maybe It will get me into trouble

Also you can go to a club and come with zero phone numbers when that can be achieved ordinarily after 5 minutes of walking outside your apartment.

Tomorrow I go to some neighbourhood club my Turkish friends told me about, I will report back if I do not get killed

[samsamsam]

(09-07-2015 07:22 AM)WindowShopper Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 06:03 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Is it wrong of me to encourage window shopper to not post this location? Seems like lurkers just take and take sometimes. I mean tell me if course in a pm


Just thinking of the McDonald's comments above.

That's part of the reason why I didn't herald it. The other being that whenever I pm a member here about information on anything they never reply, possibly due to my lack of 'credentials' here. As you can see I haven't been an active member really.

I hate to say it but it is sort of the process. Guys build credibility with info they share and the people they have met. I'm not saying you have to live on this forum. I know some people don't want to or don't have time. It is an imperfect art to try to figure out who is a good guy and should be helped and who are takers who don't give back or just want to leach. Please don't be offended by this. Just the way it is.

But I appreciate you sharing your info. If you are already in Kiev maybe I could suggest meeting with some of the Revo alcoholics. I mean Revo Crew.

I don't think you would have to prove how much of a master PUA you are. Just that you are a cool guy who isn't evil in intent.

I hope to meet some of these guys all day. All I can offer is some bullshit. I am definitely not some master PUA.

Edit: your pm isn't working.

[Architect]

i was in kiev early august and my favorite spots had less talent than usual for day game, and also my favorite clubs on Friday were empty around midnight as well. Since i was drinking starting from 16:00 i couldn't find the energy to continue gaming past 2:00am. but i must share a new place that i discovered on my last trip: Arena city. its this circular urban space where you have a bunch of restaurants around it and this one club right in the middle built out of a temporary tent structure. words are not enough to explain the amount of talent i have seen there right between 1:00 and 2:00, ( i left at 2am because i had absolutely no energy from the combination of day gaming and going straight to night game while periodically drinking the whole time). then the next day i nursed my hangover at my apartment the whole day..
where is the talent for night venues in kiev nowadays in mid september? i plan on flying there tomorrow or the next day

[WindowShopper]

(09-08-2015 04:09 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 07:22 AM)WindowShopper Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 06:03 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Is it wrong of me to encourage window shopper to not post this location? Seems like lurkers just take and take sometimes. I mean tell me if course in a pm


Just thinking of the McDonald's comments above.

That's part of the reason why I didn't herald it. The other being that whenever I pm a member here about information on anything they never reply, possibly due to my lack of 'credentials' here. As you can see I haven't been an active member really.

I hate to say it but it is sort of the process. Guys build credibility with info they share and the people they have met. I'm not saying you have to live on this forum. I know some people don't want to or don't have time. It is an imperfect art to try to figure out who is a good guy and should be helped and who are takers who don't give back or just want to leach. Please don't be offended by this. Just the way it is.

But I appreciate you sharing your info. If you are already in Kiev maybe I could suggest meeting with some of the Revo alcoholics. I mean Revo Crew.

I don't think you would have to prove how much of a master PUA you are. Just that you are a cool guy who isn't evil in intent.

I hope to meet some of these guys all day. All I can offer is some bullshit. I am definitely not some master PUA.

Edit: your pm isn't working.

I'm not offended at all. It's completely understandable.

Yeah, I saw that post with the Revo Crew. Ha. Sounds like quite the motivator.

Not a PUA at all, just a guy that loves girls. If I see one that piques my interest, I let her know. And getting to know cool dudes in the process to share that experience with is always a plus.

The pm isn't working? Let me know if you receive my pm.

[Rocha]

(09-08-2015 05:00 PM)Architect Wrote:  

but i must share a new place that i discovered on my last trip: Arena city.

Please tell us more about this new place you discovered. Seems amazing.

[TripleG]

(09-07-2015 11:06 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 10:51 AM)TripleG Wrote:  

I can't understand why you guys would spend hours and hours trollin' the metro's and streets doing day-game. I cannot think of a more boring thing then riding the overcrowded Kiev metro up and down. Also, when meeting girls at clubs you already know that they are over 18 and single, on the street that's harder to judge. At a club you immediately know if a girl likes you or not because of the physical escalation methods that you can do. Many clubs I went to (suited up of course) the UA women were very approachable and greet to kiss time in most cases was just a few minutes.

Which clubs did you go to in Kyiv?

Not necessarily just clubs but bars as well. I will share just a few of my insights on Kiev. Hope they'll be interesting to some of the guys on here. I do not have the luxury to travel for more than 2 weeks at a time (due to work commitments) so have to maximize my time and evening/club game has led to good success in the FSU. I do not believe in typical day-game as I spend much time sleeping-in and just being lazy however doing evening game is excellent

So typical "gaming" for me starts around 18:00, I spend a lot of time walking around downtown checking out the different bars & cafes and looking for a place to grab a bite. This routine does not vary, whether it is Monday or Friday though sometimes a cool girl I met online may disrupt it. Whichever place I pick I mostly do so only if it has good ratios, then I sit-down next to a group of girls, order a drink and then start chatting with them. To me feels more natural than a random street approach plus the girls will not disappear or run away, especially if they are waiting for a drink. Not to brag, but as soon as I start conversation it is hard for them to "diss me" just because of the many travel stories I can talk about or just the various topics on history, sports, geography, and so on. My spoken Russian is advanced (a couple forum members have met me in person and can vouch for that) so "do not speak English" situation rarely arises though sometimes they do confuse me with their Ukrainian. I get a lot of numbers this way but many of them flake so I still put myself in beginner category.

Depending if I have an online date scheduled I will hit up night-life places around 11pm though I like to be finished up by around 2am else my energy levels start to drop (this is before Revo...maybe next time I will try it as per Ligurians advice).
I prefer places with an older crowd (Shooters/Caribbean Club) and will frequently do dance approaches, asking "boring looking girls" for a dance. I know a few swing dance routines and that helps. I believe that puts me in a more of a comfort zone with the girls than some of the more aggressive "tourists". Wearing a sports blazer also helps.

To get back to your original question I checked out all places by Arena city, including the pub downstairs that brews their own beer (forgot the name), the infamous Shooters (did not get the sleazy vibe as others have mentioned), Vodka Bar (sucked), Boom Boom Room, Avalon (never been eye fucked so much...brought my A+ dance game there). Also, some of the "expat" hangouts such as Golden Gate Pub & O'Brien's can be surprisingly fun as you can meet willing wings there most days.

[samsamsam]

WindowShopper. Got your pm but when I replied it said it was disabled.

[gadabout]

It seems a lot of guys get caught up in the tourist theme when they come here. This is my third trip and I'm always impressed by the changing scene. Barbara, Banka, Closer, The bar are all the spots you should check out although it might have a bit of a hipster vibe for those not used to the european scene. The ones in the centre that I keep hear popping up the equivalent of going to a terrible bar or club in Piccadilly circus or Times square.
DG spots are still a bit frustrating for me.. it seems I always spot the hottest girls when I'm in some unremarkable part of town or on the metro. In other words I always find it when I'm not looking for it. However Kreshchatyk is undoubtedly where the most concentrated amount of foot traffic is but for some reason it bores me to death.

WindowShopper RE: Vozdvyzhensky Street
That place is so weird? It's like a film set. Gorgeous new apartment blocks everywhere all completely empty. I don't get it?

I've been hanging out with a few girls but haven't had a chance to do any man stuff yet so if anyones around feel free to drop me a PM.

P.s. Does anyone know where there is a gym in the centre I can just drop into for 1 or 2 sessions?

[Architect]

Kreshatik is a pedestrian street that has two levels. I think the lower level has about 80cm to a meter of point elevation change compared to the upper level. this makes it nice in a way that if you put some nice sun glasses on and act as if you are on the phone and wait and walk slowly you can spot the most attractive women walking in the upper level without being noticed as someone waiting there to find beautiful women to talk to (they usually walk fast in the upper level close to the stores). then you can walk very very fast in the lower level with good concentration and rehearsing the topics and the frame of the conversation in the mind before the interaction begins (i ran several times laughing inside asking myself what the hell am i doing here in this country running) and arrange timing perfectly to position yourself right parallel to the game recipient without disrupting her personal space (every 50m or so there are stairs that can take you to the upper level) without her even noticing that you ran or walked very fast to talk to her and deliver your opener "lost tourist opener". where is so and so? oh by the way you speak good english, hard to find people like this here.. i am in kiev for this and that reason.. etc.. isn't the point in day game to make everything look like a coincidence and make her believe as if the meeting was meant to happen? ) in kreshatik most beautiful girls tend to walk on high heels like Usain Bolt running a marathon.. I used this site sensitive regional gaming technique and it worked well obtaining many numbers and vk contacts and even one long term relationship that lasted 2 years.. wherever i go i am keen in using the site of a given place to work in the advantage of my game.. the built urban environment should always be on our side during these long and boring sessions of day game.. i suggest doing careful site analysis during day game to find the useful positive aspects of the site in order to save energy and time by utilizing the site to its maximum potential.. because in day game unlike night game the little things and the details matter the most.. in the case of kreshatik i believe the elevation change between the two sections of the pedestrian streets is an advantage..

money and even time is somewhat abundant in comparison to concentrated energy.. its what we need to use wisely. i already feel my energy decreasing compared to a few years ago and i am in my late 20s..

I am still waiting for someone to give me earnest info about mid-september season night venues with high talent.